Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

39 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

We could build schools like prisons or fort knox, but that level of safety is costly and probably not conducive to learning.

It is also probably very likely people won't want that. 

 

The belief of safety is more comforting than the reality of safety to people. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

39 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The left is to blame for this. They are stoking violence with extreme rhetoric and lies about the bills getting passed to protect our children. This includes tv media, print media, our education systems and Democratic politicians. Jane Fonda was just on the The View saying we should start murdering pro-life Christians. 
 

 

That’s a pretty sh1tty thing to say, but at least the other women did not agree and it did appear to mostly be a bad joke. That said is she a host or a guest? If she is a host then I do hope that she was punished in someway for this

[HellToupee 1,607]

40 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Are you Pro Tranny? 

Are you anti trans or gay ? I have zero problem. I’m totally against the radicalized element in their community. Them and the media are poisoning minds , thriving on fear

[GutterBoy 2,898]

The same BS repeated here was commented on by Elon Musk.  It's misinformation, and he's spreading it on his own platform once again.  Also he has a trans kid.

The Colorado Springs shooter only identified as non binary to avoid hate crimes after shooting up a bunch of gays.

Aberdeen shooter struggled with identity but never declared as trans.

So that's 2 out of thousands, hard to get a number with no true definition of a mass shooting, but trying to frame this as a trans problem is ridiculous.

We've had more pro-Trump/white conservative mass shootings than trans shootings.

Every shooting has the same elements, guns and disregard for human life.  Most shootings, especially school shootings, have a bullied or troubled youth at the center, this one is no different.

But go ahead GC, keep looking stupid and filled with hate.

[HellToupee 1,607]

43 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The left is to blame for this. They are stoking violence with extreme rhetoric and lies about the bills getting passed to protect our children. This includes tv media, print media, our education systems and Democratic politicians. Jane Fonda was just on the The View saying we should start murdering pro-life Christians. 
 

 

The rhetoric being tossed around is extremely reckless 

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

The same teachers who appear in multi-colored hair and face piercings in tic tok videos advocating all the things inflaming current debates?  I don't know about that.

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

The same teachers who appear in multi-colored hair and face piercings in tic tok videos advocating all the things inflaming current debates?  I don't know about that.

Well, there is that. I had my teachers and my kids teachers in mind when I posted. 

[Johnny Lawrence 4]

1 minute ago, avoiding injuries said:

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

Not sure if any one else is a public school teacher, but I have been one for 23 years... I have worked with many teachers that I woudn't want anywhere near a firearm! I'm not saying this couldn't be part of a broader solution but as a parent and a educator, I would be leery of many teachers being armed

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

4 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

We already have a thread on how terrible our education system and teachers are but somehow the same people want to arm those teachers in those schools.  I don't think that's a valid option anytime soon.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Johnny Lawrence said:

Not sure if any one else is a public school teacher, but I have been one for 23 years... I have worked with many teachers that I woudn't want anywhere near a firearm! I'm not saying this couldn't be part of a broader solution but as a parent and a educator, I would be leery of many teachers being armed

My wife is a teacher in a public school.  I know a lot of teachers, friends and family.  I can't imagine many of them being armed or feeling comfortable with others being armed.

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, avoiding injuries said:

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

Many teachers don't want that.

I also don't know why the fact that the vast majority of time these are former students sinks in for people.  They are there for the shooter training, they know where weak entries are, and they would probably know which teachers are easier targets.  They are also largely wanting to be killed in the process, so if security guards haven't stopped it, why some armed teachers going to? 

They also largely study other school shooters and learn that way. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

8 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Let’s stop pusssyfooting around the issue and start training teachers on gun safety and have them armed. I guarantee people stop going to shoot up schools knowing teachers are going to fight back. 
 

I know more than a handful of cops that shouldn’t ever have had a gun. 

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The same teachers who appear in multi-colored hair and face piercings in tic tok videos advocating all the things inflaming current debates?  I don't know about that.

Exactly.  0 chance the GC wants the blue haired grooming pedo teachers who are trying to turn their kids into trannies to be armed. 

[Johnny Lawrence 4]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Schools need to replace any glass doors, or at least make them bulletproof.  Having the doors locked does no good when they can just be shot out.

There are around 100,000 public school buildings in the US ( not counting private schools) The cost to retrofit the buildings with solid doors or bullet proof glass would be astronomical, Like Billions or maybe even trillions of dollars. In my building alone ( I teach at a small high school with less than 300 students) we have 9 points of entry all with glass doors  and thats  not counting our out buildings that house the wood shop and technology rooms.  That's another reason why armed guards wouldn't be as effective as many think. My little town of 4000 people has 4 public school buildings. Even if you place one resource officer in each building ( who's going to pay for that?? Our district cant even afford new books or teacher raises) there are still too many points of entry for one person to effective handle. Although having one in each building is certainly better than none. 

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[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Johnny Lawrence said:

There are around 100,000 public school buildings in the US ( not counting private schools) The cost to retrofit the buildings with solid doors or bullet proof glass would be astronomical, Like Billions or maybe even trillions of dollars. In my building alone ( I teach at a small high school with less than 300 students) we have 9 points of entry all with glass doors  and that counting our out buildings that house the wood shop and technology rooms.  That another reason why armed guards wouldn't be as effective as many think. My little town of 4000 people has 4 public school buildings. Even if you place one resource officer in each building ( who's going to pay for that?? Our district cant even afford new books or teacher raises) there are still too many points of entry for one person to effective handle. Although having one in each building is certainly better than none. 

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You're right, the obstacles to make it happen are plentiful.  What makes it worse is that our government does not want to take the time and money on improving our education system. 

[edjr 6,578]

ban transformers. Has anyone said that yet?

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

16 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Well, there is that. I had my teachers and my kids teachers in mind when I posted. 

Its a different world today.  

[Johnny Lawrence 4]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You're right, the obstacles to make it happen are plentiful.  What makes it worse is that our government does not want to take the time and money on improving our education system. 

After all the school shootings we've had over the last couple of decades, I'm afraid our government and unfortunately many in our society look at it as the cost of doing business. I'm no liberal, and I probably own more guns than most on this board, but it saddens me than we cannot come to some sort of agreement to try and stop this madness. I'm sure those of you that have school aged children have heard your kids talk about the active shooter trainings we do in schools... For me( as an educator and father of 3) those are saddest days of my job. Many are glad we are doing the trainings to prepare our kids... but I'm saddened to look our kids faces and wonder why we are raising them in world where we have to do them at all. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

11 minutes ago, Johnny Lawrence said:

There are around 100,000 public school buildings in the US ( not counting private schools) The cost to retrofit the buildings with solid doors or bullet proof glass would be astronomical, Like Billions or maybe even trillions of dollars. In my building alone ( I teach at a small high school with less than 300 students) we have 9 points of entry all with glass doors  and thats  not counting our out buildings that house the wood shop and technology rooms.  That's another reason why armed guards wouldn't be as effective as many think. My little town of 4000 people has 4 public school buildings. Even if you place one resource officer in each building ( who's going to pay for that?? Our district cant even afford new books or teacher raises) there are still too many points of entry for one person to effective handle. Although having one in each building is certainly better than none. 

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Ukraine money would be a good start

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

Just now, Johnny Lawrence said:

After all the school shootings we've had over the last couple of decades, I'm afraid our government and unfortunately many in our society look at it as the cost of doing business. I'm no liberal, and I probably own more guns than most on this board, but it saddens me than we cannot come to some sort of agreement to try and stop this madness. I'm sure those of you that have school aged children have heard your kids talk about the active shooter trainings we do in schools... For me( as an educator and father of 3) those are saddest days of my job. Many are glad we are doing the trainings to prepare our kids... but I'm saddened to look our kids faces and wonder why we are raising them in world where we have to do them at all. 

Bring home our military and protect our schools. Rather than using them as world police. Use them as campus police 

[RLLD 4,147]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I hoped that this vile murderer wouldn’t turn out to be transgender, because as I wrote earlier it’s going to increase the fear and bigotry against these poor people. 
But it is what it is. 

I think you are correct. The same thing happens to the police, and I detest that as well.  People will use this isolated instance as some proof of a systemic issue, as they have done with policing....and I disagree with that approach emphatically. 

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

34 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My wife is a teacher in a public school.  I know a lot of teachers, friends and family.  I can't imagine many of them being armed or feeling comfortable with others being armed.

Imagine the scenario.  Shots fired, kids screaming and running, gun smoke in the hallway as well as kids.  The shooter approaches.  Now a teacher, trained granted, but likely with limited firearms experience and no combat expereince is going to do what?  Take the shot?  What if they miss, the most likely outcome?  Where does their bullet end up? Does it end up in some kids chest?  I note that the percentage of hits on shots taken by trained police officers, many of whom come to the profession after military service are frighteningly low.

 

Change the scenario.  Teacher armed, stands guard at the door to their classroom.  The kids are scared and whimpering.  Maybe the fire alarm has been activated creating an additional distraction   There is a noise at their door.  Do they shoot, and if so what or who are they shooting at, and do they hit their target or accidently the nice teacher's aid from across the hall.

 

Arming teachers stikes me as not a well thought out option.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine the scenario.  Shots fired, kids screaming and running, gun smoke in the hallway as well as kids.  The shooter approaches.  Now a teacher, trained granted, but likely with limited firearms experience and no combat expereince is going to do what?  Take the shot?  What if they miss, the most likely outcome?  Where does their bullet end up? Does it end up in some kids chest?

 

Change the scenario.  Tea cher armed, stands guard at the door to their classroom.  The kids are scared and whimpering.  Maybe the fire alarm has been activated creating an additional distraction   There is a noise at their door.  Do they shoot, and if so what or who are they shooting at, and do they hit their target or accidently the nice teacher's aid from across the hall.

 

Arming teachers stikes me as not a well thought out option.

I worry about the gun getting into a students hands at some point or an overstressed teacher cracking and deciding to use that gun on students or teachers.

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

Controlled perimeter access might help some.  Check all visitors at a gate several hundred feet from an entrance, but most existing schools are not on property the size to allow this and frequent visitors would rapidly get some sort of iI.D. pass on their vehicles. I.D. passes which could be abused.  No perfect solution to protect against the evil that lurks in the heart of man. Just ask Lamont Cranston.

[RogerDodger 797]

22 minutes ago, Johnny Lawrence said:

There are around 100,000 public school buildings in the US ( not counting private schools) The cost to retrofit the buildings with solid doors or bullet proof glass would be astronomical, Like Billions or maybe even trillions of dollars. In my building alone ( I teach at a small high school with less than 300 students) we have 9 points of entry all with glass doors  and thats  not counting our out buildings that house the wood shop and technology rooms.  That's another reason why armed guards wouldn't be as effective as many think. My little town of 4000 people has 4 public school buildings. Even if you place one resource officer in each building ( who's going to pay for that?? Our district cant even afford new books or teacher raises) there are still too many points of entry for one person to effective handle. Although having one in each building is certainly better than none. 

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It's not that difficult, you can't get into a ballpark with a pocket knife.

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I worry about the gun getting into a students hands at some point or an overstressed teacher cracking and deciding to use that gun on students or teachers.

Not to mention faculty meetings after someon's parking space was wrongfully used or someones saved dessert with their name right on it was taken from the fridge.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

I wonder if when the shooter shot out the locked door if that bought some time for people to hide after they heard the numerous gun shots and glass breaking? Nah. Just leave them unlocked. What’s a few more dead people? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

It's not that difficult, you can't get into a ballpark with a pocket knife.

I bet there are plenty you can get a pocket knife into.  I still bring a flask into football games.

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I bet there are plenty you can get a pocket knife into.  I still bring a flask into football games.

As is your right as an American and a Hawkeye fan.

[TimHauck 2,633]

“The left are the ones stoking anger”

Oops

 

 

 

 

[Johnny Lawrence 4]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I worry about the gun getting into a students hands at some point or an overstressed teacher cracking and deciding to use that gun on students or teachers.

yeah just a do a quick google search of teacher students fights. you'll find a plethora of videos. Now introduce a gun into the scenario... 

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I bet there are plenty you can get a pocket knife into.  I still bring a flask into football games.

You go through a metal detector at every pro venue in every league.

Obviously I'm not talking about high school football, because well, school shootings.  

And nobody cares about your tin flask..

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

Has any Iowa grad ever been a mass shooter?

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

“The left are the ones stoking anger”

Oops

 

 

 

 

An enraged Ellen Page acts out after not securing acting roles as Elliot Page.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

compilation of lots of stuff

 

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

You go through a metal detector at every pro venue in every league.

Obviously I'm not talking about high school football, because well, school shootings.  

And nobody cares about your tin flask..

Only a cornhusker would use a tin flask

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Has any Iowa grad ever been a mass shooter?

In 1991.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Iowa_shooting

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

Parents speaking up at school board meetings, which has been going on forever, are the threat that gets the DOJ to take action. 

[RogerDodger 797]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Only a cornhusker would use a tin flask

My point was that most all flasks are non-ferromagnetic.