Guns: The No. 1 cause of death for U.S. children

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

The New York City mayor not only is a Democrat but a former cop, and the murder-rate decline has been attributed to the NYPD's enhanced public safety investment. Also, Gov. Hochul, a Democrat, last year announced $50 million worth support for police departments.

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00073/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-january-2023#:~:text=For the month of January,each borough%2C in every neighborhood.

Why do you just make up stuff?

The number of murders in nyc went from over 2000 a year to under 400 a year after 20 years of Republican control of NYC. Stfu. You’re welcome. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The number of murders in nyc went from over 2000 a year to under 400 a year after 20 years of Republican control of NYC. Stfu. You’re welcome. 

As usual, you didn't bother to click on the link.

I know that's so hard for you, so I'll post a quote from the NYPD news release:

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For the month of January 2023, the number of overall shooting incidents and murders in New York City have both declined when compared to January 2022, a result of the NYPD’s enhanced public safety investment across each borough, in every neighborhood. 

This was done under a Democrat mayor and a Democrat governor.

Go get your shine box, boy!

[tubby_mcgee 701]

12 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

We are the only nation on Earth with guns being the No. 1 cause of death for children.

 

 

 

Let's say it is.

Then what?  What's your plan of attack to fix it?

So many liberals post sh1t like...

"Can't we just all get along?"
"Enough is enough"

Then they get all kinds of "likes", "thumbs up" etc from other libs.   Which is what they were obviously looking for. Because the comments themselves, no matter how many times they are typed or what emojis they are used with, fix NOTHING.  ZEEEERO. So....what if you get 10,000 likes.  What did you fix?

Then there are these types of comments:

"Ban guns"
"Guns kill people"

Again, libs give out claps, likes and thumbs up.  This makes libs feel good about what they just posted. They think "yahhhhhhhh mann! I just got some likes!"

Like.... uhh... I don't get it.  Today you posted that Guns are #1 killer. Let's assume its a fact.  So then what? 
What good did it do to post your fact? It didn't change anything.  It didn't help anything.  You folks want others to believe you are "on the good side" and you're "holier than though"

This person that shot up Nashville.--- a LIBERAL. 

95% of gun violence in Chicago, Jersey, LA, NY is from LIBERALS.  Most gun violence in the entire US is done by LIBERALS.

Conservatives are the "Pro Gun folks" -- always touting the benefits of guns. But they aren't the ones murdering everyone with them.
Liberals are the ones filling up prisons for gun violence reasons.  They are the ones conducting most gun violence.

 

So liberals blame conservatives "liking" of guns for liberals shooting everyone.  WTF?  

Again...so....back my original question. 

What's your plan to fix the child death from guns issue? 


My plan would be 1 strike (any gun violence related crime for starters) and you're shot within 3 minutes of being convicted.  You better have said your goodbyes to your loved ones before court.    This is going to curb it 2 ways 1. Less sh!theads around to re-offend.  The penalty of instant death may deter some.  But guess who is against this sort of punishment? LIBERALS! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

As usual, you didn't bother to click on the link.

I know that's so hard for you, so I'll post a quote from the NYPD news release:

This was done under a Democrat mayor and a Democrat governor.

Go get your shine box, boy!

Yeah, it’s the same as going from 2000 a year to under 400. What a maroon. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

Why do other countries in Europe for example have far less shootings?  Honest question.  What do they do differently?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

 

Let's say it is.

Then what?  What's your plan of attack to fix it?

So many liberals post sh1t like...

"Can't we just all get along?"
"Enough is enough"

Then they get all kinds of "likes", "thumbs up" etc from other libs.   Which is what they were obviously looking for. Because the comments themselves, no matter how many times they are typed or what emojis they are used with, fix NOTHING.  ZEEEERO. So....what if you get 10,000 likes.  What did you fix?

Then there are these types of comments:

"Ban guns"
"Guns kill people"

Again, libs give out claps, likes and thumbs up.  This makes libs feel good about what they just posted. They think "yahhhhhhhh mann! I just got some likes!"

Like.... uhh... I don't get it.  Today you posted that Guns are #1 killer. Let's assume its a fact.  So then what? 
What good did it do to post your fact? It didn't change anything.  It didn't help anything.  You folks want others to believe you are "on the good side" and you're "holier than though"

This person that shot up Nashville.--- a LIBERAL. 

95% of gun violence in Chicago, Jersey, LA, NY is from LIBERALS.  Most gun violence in the entire US is done by LIBERALS.

Conservatives are the "Pro Gun folks" -- always touting the benefits of guns. But they aren't the ones murdering everyone with them.
Liberals are the ones filling up prisons for gun violence reasons.  They are the ones conducting most gun violence.

 

So liberals blame conservatives "liking" of guns for liberals shooting everyone.  WTF?  

Again...so....back my original question. 

What's your plan to fix the child death from guns issue? 
 

Trump has shown us how it's done. You don't really have a plan. You just go on stage, whine about what a victim you are, viciously lash out at anyone who disagrees or criticizes you and then vow vengeance against them once elected.

That's the way to make America great again!

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

9 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

As usual, you didn't bother to click on the link.

I know that's so hard for you, so I'll post a quote from the NYPD news release:

This was done under a Democrat mayor and a Democrat governor.

Go get your shine box, boy!

So like Biden on the economy.  He reduced inflation substantially, but ony after first raising it more substantially, to heights which were not sustainable, which were naturally going to back off some.

[bostonlager 2,665]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why do other countries in Europe for example have far less shootings?  Honest question.  What do they do differently?

What is the black population in these Euro countries?

[tubby_mcgee 701]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Why do other countries in Europe for example have far less shootings?  Honest question.  What do they do differently?

Shootings, crime in general....the ONLY way...ONLY way this country will reduce crime is to reduce the number of criminals. 

So "America" in general says "We want less crime" -- but if proposed with stiff penalties they say "We don't want that"

So...as it stands...a big portion of America is perfectly fine with the crime rate as far as I can tell. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

Shootings, crime in general....the ONLY way...ONLY way this country will reduce crime is to reduce the number of criminals. 

So "America" in general says "We want less crime" -- but if proposed with stiff penalties they say "We don't want that"

So...as it stands...a big portion of America is perfectly fine with the crime rate as far as I can tell. 

It's harder to be a criminal when you don't have a gun to commit crimes!

[tubby_mcgee 701]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

Trump has shown us how it's done. You don't really have a plan. You just go on stage, whine about what a victim you are, viciously lash out at anyone who disagrees or criticizes you and then vow vengeance against them once elected.

That's the way to make America great again!

Seriously, what's your plan. And your response to my above comment, is typical of a liberal when they don't have answers.  I admitted that kids dying from guns is a problem.  I didn't turn into a smart ass.

But you just turned it into a joke.

What's your plan to reduce gun violence?

[tubby_mcgee 701]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It's harder to be a criminal when you don't have a gun to commit crimes!

Again....typical liberal response.  "Ban guns". 

So your plan, is to magically make all guns from criminals disappear with some sort of magical gun removal mechanism technology gadget thingy. 

That's not a good plan, imo. But yes...your comment....will get claps, likes and thumbs up from other libs. 

 

Where are we gonna get these magic gun removal thingys you're talking about? Or wait. I've got it.  Do we put bins on the side of the road in Chicago that say "Attention Criminals, please put your guns in here" ?

Let me re-ask.

Do you have a viable plan to stop gun violence?

BTW...my plan is the best one so far.  Get rid of criminals.  I'd love to hear one better. And...I'm serious. 

[5-Points 3,564]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why do other countries in Europe for example have far less shootings?  Honest question.  What do they do differently?

Keep their mentally ill off the street? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It's harder to be a criminal when you don't have a gun to commit crimes!

Seriously?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It's harder to be a criminal when you don't have a gun to commit crimes!

Perhaps incrementally so for some limited category of crimes.  Then the tools available would only be hammers, axes, machetes knives clubs, bats, homemade explosives and incendiary devices.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

The last year of Bloomberg there were 335 murders in NYC. Last year there were 438. So a 30 pct increase after 9 years of democrat control in NYC. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

12 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Seriously, what's your plan. And your response to my above comment, is typical of a liberal when they don't have answers.  I admitted that kids dying from guns is a problem.  I didn't turn into a smart ass.

But you just turned it into a joke.

What's your plan to reduce gun violence?

We have to stop looking at the issue as a political battle and see it as a public-health issue. 

We all have to undergo training and take written and driving tests to get a driver's license, so why not do the same for guns? 

Also, stronger background checks and restrictions on multiple purchases. 

Pediatricians can play a role by asking parents about guns in their homes and encouraging them to take safety measures. If we're viewing as a public-health issue, it stands to reason that a 5-year-old getting his hands on daddy's pistol is a health threat.

Lastly, invest more money in gun-violence research.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Could also imprison people that use or carry an illegal weapon. Just a thought. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

10 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Meanwhile, homicides spiked because them right-wing, gun-toting fruitcakes still needed something to shoot, by cracky!

11 million deer hunters this season...not a single mass shooting by a hunter.

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

We have to stop looking at the issue as a political battle and see it as a public-health issue. 

We all have to undergo training and take written and driving tests to get a driver's license, so why not do the same for guns? 

Also, stronger background checks and restrictions on multiple purchases. 

Pediatricians can play a role by asking parents about guns in their homes and encouraging them to take safety measures. If we're viewing as a public-health issue, it stands to reason that a 5-year-old getting his hands on daddy's pistol is a health threat.

Lastly, invest more money in gun-violence research.

You have to take training for a cc permit and a training class for other stuff.

[tubby_mcgee 701]

30 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

1.) We have to stop looking at the issue as a political battle and see it as a public-health issue. 

2.) We all have to undergo training and take written and driving tests to get a driver's license, so why not do the same for guns? 

3.) Also, stronger background checks and

3A.) restrictions on multiple purchases. 

4.) Pediatricians can play a role by asking parents about guns in their homes and encouraging them to take safety measures. If we're viewing as a public-health issue, it stands to reason that a 5-year-old getting his hands on daddy's pistol is a health threat.

5.) Lastly, invest more money in gun-violence research.

 

Pimp...yes...I agree with you.  On all of it.  There's a problem though.  I'm not being a d!ck.  Just talking And this post  above...proves you can too.  Thank you.

So...I've numbered yours...and I'll respond.

1. Yes. 100% agree.

2.) I agree 100%

3.) I agree on background checks. 

3A.) I disagree on multiple purchases.   1, 2, 3, 4 -- if done thoroughly, should remove a lot of the folks that would abuse # 3A. 

4.) I agree 100%.

5.) I agree mostly. I mean, I would assume it's already being done.  I honestly think the "findings" will cause arguments.   Folks crying foul on "You can't say a single parent home plays a part in gun violence, that's not fair! etc" 

And I'm going to add #6....which....again...I think its the only way.  I love guns. Some folks hate them.  But....the fact is....the genie is out of the bottle.  Here it is in a nutshell: A.) Criminals will always have guns.  They won't listen to rules.  B.) I (and others) deserve the right to self defense. That's not my #6. That's coming up.  1-5 will help some, which is good.  #6 would be a nice addition, imo. 

6.) Stiff as fock penalties.  Like seriously.  You threaten someone with a physical gun.... you shoot at someone and miss,  you attempt to kill someone (you shoot them but they live), or you murder someone with a gun (or murder someone by any means), you get your day in court.  If there was admission or camera or multiple witnesses or your prints on the gun that you  bought and the bullet matches the barrel or you have their blood spatter on you, etc (criteria), you are put to death instantly. As in, withing the hour.   1 strike and you're dead.  (I would love stiffer penalties for almost every crime but we are talking about guns so I'll not elaborate).  Additionally, if you are a parent and your kid (up to a certain age--i don't know what that should be. 10? 8?) takes your gun and kills someone or themself, you don't get a slap on the wrist. You don't get killed but you get like.... 25 years mandatory. Something wayyyyyy the fock stiffer than what is out there now. 

 

 

[edjr 6,605]

Where do transformers rank?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

I think too many kids are on psych drugs. That’s exploded in the past 20 years. 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

12 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

11 million deer hunters this season...not a single mass shooting by a hunter.

This message is for Pimp and you.  I don't know how to quote the entire thing. 

You were referring to Pimps post about wacky right wingers and their love for guns.

Pimp is right in that the "gun loving" (those that proclaim their love for guns, etc) are on the right.  But that isn't the problem Pimp.   Cloaca and I are the ones that say we like guns. But we aren't the ones doing the shootings.  Not most of the shootings.  Not even close.  Very few of the "right wing crazies" shoot people or shoot places up.   They are guilty of being "Crazy gun lovers" but there is no harm with that. 

Guy #1: "I LOVE GUNS and I LOVE THE 2nd Amedment"
Guy #2: says nothing, shoots up a crowd

Guy #2's constituents "Guy # 1 and his love for guns is obviously the problem.  He's always talking about  how great guns are and how great the 2A is"

 

That's my .02 from my vantage point.  Maybe I'm nuts but I don't think so. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

Pimp...yes...I agree with you.  On all of it.  There's a problem though.  I'm not being a d!ck.  Just talking And this post  above...proves you can too.  Thank you.

So...I've numbered yours...and I'll respond.

1. Yes. 100% agree.

2.) I agree 100%

3.) I agree on background checks. 

3A.) I disagree on multiple purchases.   1, 2, 3, 4 -- if done thoroughly, should remove a lot of the folks that would abuse # 3A. 

4.) I agree 100%.

5.) I agree mostly. I mean, I would assume it's already being done.  I honestly think the "findings" will cause arguments.   Folks crying foul on "You can't say a single parent home plays a part in gun violence, that's not fair! etc"

 

And I'm going to add #6....which....again...I think its the only way.  I love guns. Some folks hate them.  But....the fact is....the genie is out of the bottle.  Here it is in a nutshell: A.) Criminals will always have guns.  They won't listen to rules.  B.) I (and others) deserve the right to self defense. That's not my #6. That's coming up.  1-5 will help some, which is good.  #6 would be a nice addition, imo. 

6.) Stiff as fock penalties.  Like seriously.  You threaten someone with a physical gun.... you shoot at someone and miss,  you attempt to kill someone (you shoot them but they live), or you murder someone with a gun (or murder someone by any means), you get your day in court.  If there was admission or camera or multiple witnesses or your prints on the gun that you  bought and the bullet matches the barrel or you have their blood spatter on you, etc (criteria), you are put to death instantly.  1 strike and you're dead.  (I would love stiffer penalties for almost every crime but we are talking about guns so I'll not elaborate).  Additionally, if you are a parent and your kid (up to a certain age--i don't know what that should be. 10? 8?) takes your gun and kills someone or themself, you don't get a slap on the wrist. You don't get killed but you get like.... 25 years mandatory. Something wayyyyyy the fock stiffer than what is out there now. 

 

 

It's also going to require a cultural change. America was built on people having guns. That's just who we are. I have so many guns in my house that I don't even know how many there are. That's not a product of irresponsibility. I just inherited a ton of guns after my dad passed years ago, and I keep finding them. 

I found a couple of them in the garage attic just a couple of months ago while organizing some boxes. They're little muzzleloader pistols, one of them my dad built himself. They're harmless, because I don't have any black powder to load them.

The dangerous guns are kept in a safe. I've got a 50-caliber pistol with hollow-point bullets that would obliterate anything I shot.

I was taught gun responsibility at an early age. I was 9 or 10 when I took my first safety class, and my dad had me take it again years later.

There has to be a middle ground involving education, background checks, purchasing restrictions and a culture change. 

I'd kind of like to have an AR-15 to go get some lead therapy at the gun range, but do we really a weapon like that readily available to the general public?

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think too many kids are on psych drugs. That’s exploded in the past 20 years. 

While children today might not have the physical hardships of the past, such as The Depression and war, the mental and emotional challenges for them greater, particularly when everyone is so hyperconnected. 

Kids today seem to be more prone to anxiety, depression, panic attacks, etc., and while us older adults might not understand that and have a "rub some dirt on it" mentality, it's a very real thing for them. They get pressures from all sides, coupled with roughly half of them having to deal with broken homes and dysfunctional parents. They have a strong urge for individuality over conformity but aren't mature enough to fully understand who they are and have the tools to cope with what life throws at them.

I was raised by Greatest Generation parents. My dad was an immigrant who fought in World War II, and my mom was the daughter of a single mom during The Great Depression. They essentially skipped an entire generation before they had kids, so I absorbed their values, which weren't always correct, but I can certainly understand them.

 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

15 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I'd kind of like to have an AR-15 to go get some lead therapy at the gun range, but do we really a weapon like that readily available to the general public?

 

 

IMO, yes. 

Well, what general public are we talking about?

Me?  Yes. 

Someone who has a proven mental disorder or who has been convicted of violence towards another human or can't pass a "are they crazy" test?  No.

This will cause an argument I feel, but....the reason for AR's to be allowed:

1.) The 2A and the reason for the 2A.  I want to add this.  Anyone that thinks for themselves and has seen where we were as a country 20, 30, 40 years ago and where we are now, should say that now its very clear on why the 2A is important.   Again, my opinion.  Some folks are and would be okay with complete government control/takeover of the citizens and their rights.  But a large portion are not. 

2.) Hunting.  Coyotes, Ferrel pigs, etc.  Some animals are just wayyyyy more fun to hunt with an AR. 

3.) Self defense.  Again, could cause an argument, but for some its their weapon of choice for self defense (the thought of needing it for self defense, the thought of self defense situation they may encounter)

4.) Lead therapy as you called.  Hunting coyotes and feral pigs with these, fall into that category also. 

 

I'm sticking to my "stiffer penalties is the only way to decrease crime" angle. I've posted it many times (not on here necessarily but on "internet"), and I've never gotten a response disagreeing.  I fully expected someone to say 'We need to increase therapy and rehab for criminals, etc.  they deserve second chances, etc" But I've never even gotten that.  My response would be (to that): "We've tried that for 100 years. It hasn't worked". 

 

 

[posty 2,702]

"Despite millions of dollars in research, death continues to be our nation's number one killer." --Henry Gibson

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22 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I'd kind of like to have an AR-15 to go get some lead therapy at the gun range, but do we really a weapon like that readily available to the general public?

Name a better gun for taking out a bunch of feral cats.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

8 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

IMO, yes. 

Well, what general public are we talking about?

Me?  Yes. 

Someone who has a proven mental disorder or who has been convicted of violence towards another human or can't pass a "are they crazy" test?  No.

This will cause an argument I feel, but....the reason for AR's to be allowed:

1.) The 2A and the reason for the 2A.  I want to add this.  Anyone that thinks for themselves and has seen where we were as a country 20, 30, 40 years ago and where we are now, should say that now its very clear on why the 2A is important.   Again, my opinion.  Some folks are and would be okay with complete government control/takeover of the citizens and their rights.  But a large portion are not. 

2.) Hunting.  Coyotes, Ferrel pigs, etc.  Some animals are just wayyyyy more fun to hunt with an AR. 

3.) Self defense.  Again, could cause an argument, but for some its their weapon of choice for self defense (the thought of needing it for self defense, the thought of self defense situation they may encounter)

4.) Lead therapy as you called.  Hunting coyotes and feral pigs with these, fall into that category also. 

 

I'm sticking to my "stiffer penalties is the only way to decrease crime" angle. I've posted it many times (not on here necessarily but on "internet"), and I've never gotten a response disagreeing.  I fully expected someone to say 'We need to increase therapy and rehab for criminals, etc.  they deserve second chances, etc" But I've never even gotten that.  My response would be (to that): "We've tried that for 100 years. It hasn't worked". 

 

 

I would love to fly around in a helicopter and shoot the fock out of feral hogs. I don't know if he still does it, but Ted Nugent had a hog-hunting business not far from where I live. I also love the videos of using tannerite to blow them the fock up. 

Not so much coyotes, though. I think coyotes are cool, and there is a mess of 'em living in the woods behind my house.

I stuck a game camera way back in there this past winter, hung a huge pine cone from a vine and coated the cone with wet cat food. That really brought them out.

I got a pic of one taking a whizz. Check it out:

https://postimg.cc/kRR7L6Zk

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Name a better gun for taking out a bunch of feral cats.

Feral cats have their place in the wild. If we find a colony of them, we'll catch the adults, get them fixed and put them back.

My favorite example of their importance was a small Central Texas town where I worked on the square.

There were dozens of feral cats living in an ally behind where I worked, and this little old lady who used to type up obits and whatnot would feed them. I was going in early to work and saw them all patiently waiting for the old lady to arrive, and they went bananas when she did.

They weren't a problem for anyone, but the city one day decided to get rid of the cats, trapping them and taking them to a shelter for euthanasia.

As soon as the cats were removed, a rat and mouse problem EXPLODED, and restaurants around the square were screaming at the city to do something about it.

The city spared the cats' lives and just put them back, and balance was restored.

The cats often had litters in a shed in the ally, and when the kittens were old enough, I'd pluck them up, attach them to my shirt and walk around the square to get people to adopt them, which they always did, because the little fockers were cute.

[Mike Honcho 5,288]

9 hours ago, weepaws said:

More children are killed by abortion. Who’s responsible for that ?   

Women who slept with you? 

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

Actually. You want to be concerned about something, I'd be concerned about why so many 10 to 14 year olds are committing suicide. 

nevermind. 

 

[GobbleDog 997]

1 hour ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Stiff as fock penalties.  Like seriously.  You threaten someone with a physical gun.... you shoot at someone and miss,  you attempt to kill someone (you shoot them but they live), or you murder someone with a gun (or murder someone by any means), you get your day in court.  If there was admission or camera or multiple witnesses or your prints on the gun that you  bought and the bullet matches the barrel or you have their blood spatter on you, etc (criteria), you are put to death instantly. As in, withing the hour.   1 strike and you're dead.

Ah great plan. Nobody arrested has ever given a false admission, cameras always show exactly who did it, and witnesses are never mistaken. And of course, there's never extenuating circumstances. Although without appeals, a few innocents will inevitably get executed. How many can you stomach? Is it worth it a few innocents die to ensure the guilty get killed?

Of course the whole "deterrent" reasoning is ridiculous because nobody in the history of murder has ever thought "I'd murder that guy if it were only life in prison, but that death penalty is just too much. Oh well."  Which is why there's no difference in murder rates between states with and without capital punishment.

Back to the drawing board Cletus.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You want to be concerned about something, I'd be concerned about why so many 10 to 14 year olds are committing suicide. 

I think this goes along with bullying and social media.  Everyone is easily connected to each other now and bullying never stops now.

[tubby_mcgee 701]

4 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Ah great plan. Nobody arrested has ever given a false admission, cameras always show exactly who did it, and witnesses are never mistaken. And of course, there's never extenuating circumstances. Although without appeals, a few innocents will inevitably get executed. How many can you stomach? Is it worth it a few innocents die to ensure the guilty get killed?

Of course the whole "deterrent" reasoning is ridiculous because nobody in the history of murder has ever thought "I'd murder that guy if it were only life in prison, but that death penalty is just too much. Oh well."  Which is why there's no difference in murder rates between states with and without capital punishment.

Back to the drawing board Cletus.

 

Option1:  if convicted, you're still put to death. 

If society votes that stiffer penalties are dumb and there is no way to enforce them (if you're right)....then option 2. 

Option 2: So then...fine ...shoot em up I guess if that won't work. I'm good with it.  I live where its safe, I'm protected with guns all around.  Fire away. 

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think this goes along with bullying and social media.  Everyone is easily connected to each other now and bullying never stops now.

I believe bullying is a piece of it. Personally, I think the state of mental health in our country is horrible. 

I've never met so many depressed teens and young people, not to mention those that are aging. 

I think we tend to immediately go towards "they were bullied" when something happens (like the recent shooting). However, if you go back to other shootings, they weren't bullied, didn't even GO to the school, etc. 

The two dudes from Columbine weren't bullied, regardless of what people have said over the years. They were extremely focked in the head, but there wasn't the type of bullying going on like media led us to believe. I am not posting links, there are a TON out there with a simple Google search - Derek Harris and Dylan Klebold. One was a depressive and the other had psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies based on items found after the shootings. They both had plenty of friends and were not outcasts. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

I believe bullying is a piece of it. Personally, I think the state of mental health in our country is horrible. 

I've never met so many depressed teens and young people, not to mention those that are aging. 

I think we tend to immediately go towards "they were bullied" when something happens (like the recent shooting). However, if you go back to other shootings, they weren't bullied, didn't even GO to the school, etc. 

The two dudes from Columbine weren't bullied, regardless of what people have said over the years. They were extremely focked in the head, but there wasn't the type of bullying going on like media led us to believe. I am not posting links, there are a TON out there with a simple Google search - Derek Harris and Dylan Klebold. One was a depressive and the other had psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies based on items found after the shootings. They both had plenty of friends and were not outcasts. 

Well, there has always been psychopaths and sociopaths that murdered people.  That will never change.  In the 60's, 70's and 80's it was serial killers and then technology made it much harder to get away with it.  Now we see mass shootings and rarely ever hear about serial killers.

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21 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

Option1:  if convicted, you're still put to death. 

If society votes that stiffer penalties are dumb and there is no way to enforce them (if you're right)....then option 2. 

Option 2: So then...fine ...shoot em up I guess if that won't work. I'm good with it.  I live where its safe, I'm protected with guns all around.  Fire away. 

Option 3: Ban commercial firearm sales (exception for bolt action hunting rifles after they jump through hoops to get permit).

Government buy-backs, gun collectors, and time itself will slowly evaporate guns in circulation. The first group to sell their guns as they become increasingly valuable - the poor.  Same demographic committing most gun crime. 30+ years later... gun crime rates in America will become consistent with every other first world country. Don't have to "confiscate guns" or amend the Constitution. 

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Well, there has always been psychopaths and sociopaths that murdered people.  That will never change.  In the 60's, 70's and 80's it was serial killers and then technology made it much harder to get away with it.  Now we see mass shootings and rarely ever hear about serial killers.

So (personally) I believe that we don't hear too much about serial killers because of social media. Social media is an alibi machine, but also a "hey this creepy guy keeps following me" tool. 

Cell phone pings are used in nearly every court case, and those keep getting better. However, serial killers tend to go after those that are "less than" and won't really be missed - homeless, prostitutes, etc. You don't find serial killers really going after people like Ted Bundy did; I think they've gotten smarter about some things. I also think people are much more watchful over their children when they are out - however parents don't seem to pay a bunch of attention to what they see online. 

You now have MUCH better DNA knowledge, tracking, and reverse genealogy is catching quite a few of them these days. 

And to address the bolded, yes. But this thread is about firearm violence and children/school shootings. Specifically to THAT, people automatically think "bullying." They don't seem to consider the psychopath angle, even mores when the shooter is younger.