Guns: The No. 1 cause of death for U.S. children

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Wtf is wrong with you?  Dead is dead.  Cant wait to hear you back out this..

Abortion is legal in this country, more so in some states than in others.

Using an AR-15 to turn a kindergartener into a bloody greasy spot is not.

HTH!

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

42 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Abortion is legal in this country, more so in some states than in others.

Using an AR-15 to turn a kindergartener into a bloody greasy spot is not.

HTH!

Ar 15....jesus...have  you ever seen one?

AR15...the battlecry of the uneducates gun hater.

If u read your liberal propaganda...they say "AR 15 style " weapon even if it is not an AR.  The sheeple rally around AR15...the liberal media uses those buzzwords to rally the moronic base.

It alot easier for the moronic left to remember

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

1 hour ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Ar 15....jesus...have  you ever seen one?

AR15...the battlecry of the uneducates gun hater.

If u read your liberal propaganda...they say "AR 15 style " weapon even if it is not an AR.  The sheeple rally around AR15...the liberal media uses those buzzwords to rally the moronic base.

It alot easier for the moronic left to remember

I see Pimpadouche was at the DNC Glory Hole early this morning getting his talking points while slurping on the DNC chode.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Wtf is wrong with you?  Dead is dead.  Cant wait to hear you back out this..

You're obviously not a parent, because the bond between a parent and child is infinitely stronger than the bond between parent and aborted fetus.  And dealing with the murder of your child has to be infinitely more devastating than getting an abortion.

I've never dealt with either situation but I think it's a fair assumption.

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You're obviously not a parent, because the bond between a parent and child is infinitely stronger than the bond between parent and aborted fetus.  And dealing with the murder of your child has to be infinitely more devastating than getting an abortion.

I've never dealt with either situation but I think it's a fair assumption.

Rofl...you're not a mother...you have  no clue of the bond.  Quit making zero sense arguments to support your flawed logic.

Just admit you are a baby killer and move on.  Accept it quit trying to talk about how a fetus makes you as a man feel.  You are so dumb in this its sickening.

[TimHauck 2,877]

4 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Guns are the ONLY "3rd party" object that folks scream to ban. 

Is there anything like it out there?

No one seriously pushes the:
"ban spoons because they make me fat"
"ban pencils because they make kids fail tests"
"ban cars because they cause auto accidents"

Is there any other thing on the planet that as "accused" like guns? 

 

Drugs

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

This issue really hasn’t hurt Republicans so far for one reason: liberals and young people haven’t chosen to vote with this issue as a priority. Conservatives on the other hand do. 
 

If Democrats ever choose to prioritize this issue, and particularly if potential voters under 30 ever decide to actually come out and vote, watch out. 

[League Champion 1,911]

8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

And dealing with the murder of your child has to be infinitely more devastating than getting an abortion.

I've never dealt with either situation but I think it's a fair assumption.

I agree but women who have abortions carry a big burden also, especially later in life. My Wife's best friend is a therapist, she was telling me about all the Women she sees with issues from previous abortions. They carry around fake babies, they look real. It's a serious thing that haunts them for life. We don't think of that as Men. 

[Strike 5,553]

Can we change the thread title to something more accurate like:

"Guns:  The #1 tool for saving kids during mass murder events"

TIA 

[TimHauck 2,877]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Can we change the thread title to something more accurate like:

"Guns:  The #1 tool for saving kids during mass murder events"

TIA 

How many were saved by non-cops?

[MLCKAA 574]

20 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Abortion is legal in this country, more so in some states than in others.

Using an AR-15 to turn a kindergartener into a bloody greasy spot is not.

HTH!

Why are they greasy?

[MLCKAA 574]

16 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You're obviously not a parent, because the bond between a parent and child is infinitely stronger than the bond between parent and aborted fetus.  And dealing with the murder of your child has to be infinitely more devastating than getting an abortion.

I've never dealt with either situation but I think it's a fair assumption.

A former very close friend of Mrs. MLCKAA confessed to her about an abortion roughly 20 years ago.  That woman was never the same.  She essentially dropped out of society.  She later sent my wife a letter telling her they couldn’t be friends any longer.  She explained that my wife is the only person who knew about the abortion and she was so overcome with guilt and shame that she simply couldn’t face my wife ever again.  About 5 years later we found out she’d killed herself.  I think you’re wrong about this.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

A former very close friend of Mrs. MLCKAA confessed to her about an abortion roughly 20 years ago.  That woman was never the same.  She essentially dropped out of society.  She later sent my wife a letter telling her they couldn’t be friends any longer.  She explained that my wife is the only person who knew about the abortion and she was so overcome with guilt and shame that she simply couldn’t face my wife ever again.  About 5 years later we found out she’d killed herself.  I think you’re wrong about this.

There are certainly some, but one anecdotal example doesn't make me wrong.

Five years after having an abortion, over 95 percent of the women in a landmark UC San Francisco study said it was the right decision for them.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

The research team regularly interviewed each of nearly 1,000 women for five years and found those who'd been denied abortion experienced worse economic and mental health outcomes than the cohort that received care. And 95% of study participants who received an abortion said they made the right decision.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/15/1098347992/a-landmark-study-tracks-the-lasting-effect-of-having-an-abortion-or-being-denied

Meanwhile, there are no studies, but I would assume that all parents who have lost a child to murder do regret losing this child.

[League Champion 1,911]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Five years after having an abortion, over 95 percent of the women in a landmark UC San Francisco study said it was the right decision for them.

Well of course they're going to say that, regardless. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

8 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Well of course they're going to say that, regardless. 

I wonder how many said it was the right decision their mother's didn't kill them. 

Was that question even asked by these brilliant people question askers?

Or were the questions skewed towards getting the answers they want to show off?

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

There are certainly some, but one anecdotal example doesn't make me wrong.

Five years after having an abortion, over 95 percent of the women in a landmark UC San Francisco study said it was the right decision for them.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

The research team regularly interviewed each of nearly 1,000 women for five years and found those who'd been denied abortion experienced worse economic and mental health outcomes than the cohort that received care. And 95% of study participants who received an abortion said they made the right decision.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/15/1098347992/a-landmark-study-tracks-the-lasting-effect-of-having-an-abortion-or-being-denied

Meanwhile, there are no studies, but I would assume that all parents who have lost a child to murder do regret losing this child.

Your whole existence is anecdotal...

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

51 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Well of course they're going to say that, regardless. 

Yes...it is san fran...

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

22 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Abortion is legal in this country, more so in some states than in others.

Using an AR-15 to turn a kindergartener into a bloody greasy spot is not.

HTH!

Imagine an AR 15 equiped with a speculum and dialators instead of a scope and a curette instead of a bayonet.

[League Champion 1,911]

22 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Using an AR-15 to turn a kindergartener into a bloody greasy spot is not.

And guess what? It wasn't an AR-15, the last 2 Murderous Trannys both used a Kel-Tec. Which is NOT an AR. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Rather amusing that people think an AR is somehow more lethal than say a 9mm handgun, it has some advantages, but mostly in the open and not in a confined space. When you are engaged in CQC you prefer a smaller weapon. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Rather amusing that people think an AR is somehow more lethal than say a 9mm handgun, it has some advantages, but mostly in the open and not in a confined space. When you are engaged in CQC you prefer a smaller weapon. 

So you think guns such as an AR-15 and similar could be more effective in shooting up school classrooms?

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So you agree guns such as an AR-15 and similar could be more effective in shooting up school classrooms?

No, a handgun would be much more efficient and effective. 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you think guns such as an AR-15 and similar could be more effective in shooting up school classrooms?

I can only apply my personal experiences in urban combat.  We were using the M16, which is just the "military" variant of the AR.  It's main value is its accuracy in open space. When working in a closed space it was less useful. The tumble effect of the .556 offered no advantage. 

So if you are focusing on this AR, your focus is misplaced. The bigger worry should be smaller arms with higher capacity magazines.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Rather amusing that people think an AR is somehow more lethal than say a 9mm handgun, it has some advantages, but mostly in the open and not in a confined space. When you are engaged in CQC you prefer a smaller weapon. 

Then why did the cops all use ar15s?  Why do all these school shooters use ar15s?

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Then why did the cops all use ar15s?  Why do all these school shooters use ar15s?

Because they don't. 

Their main weapon will be the hand gun, which is appropriate. They will use the Glock 19, Glock 22, Smith & Wesson M&P 9, Sig Sauer P226, Heckler and Koch HK45, Beretta Model 92, Colt M1911, Ruger LC9 and notably the Remington 870 Shotgun as their main day-to-day tools.  The Colt M4 Carbine, a cousin to the AR and M16 is also in their arsenal.

It is called 'carbine" because it is shorter. We would use carbine variants in CQC, its lighter and shorter, more manageable and efficient in closed spaces.

The beauty of the AR and M16 is accuracy in distance. The designer favored this approach over the AK, which uses the .762 and is better for urban fighting in general. The soviets would adapt the AK later to mimic the qualities of the M16 in uding lighter materials, increasing fire rate and improving distance accuracy.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Because they don't. 

Their main weapon will be the hand gun, which is appropriate. They will use the Glock 19, Glock 22, Smith & Wesson M&P 9, Sig Sauer P226, Heckler and Koch HK45, Beretta Model 92, Colt M1911, Ruger LC9 and notably the Remington 870 Shotgun as their main day-to-day tools.  The Colt M4 Carbine, a cousin to the AR and M16 is also in their arsenal.

It is called 'carbine" because it is shorter. We would use carbine variants in CQC, its lighter and shorter, more manageable and efficient in closed spaces.

The beauty of the AR and M16 is accuracy in distance. The designer favored this approach over the AK, which uses the .762 and is better for urban fighting in general. The soviets would adapt the AK later to mimic the qualities of the M16 in uding lighter materials, increasing fire rate and improving distance accuracy.

Well they do.  And swat teams prefer rifles.  Cops too.  In uvalde the cops on scene early at handguns and were too scared to go in because he had a rifle.

[Strike 5,553]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well they do.  And swat teams prefer rifles.  Cops too.  In uvalde the cops on scene early at handguns and were too scared to go in because he had a rifle.

No. They were just a bunch of pooseys.  Quit making sh*t up.  You're as bad as @The Real timschochet.  You don't think they had rifles in their cars if they wanted them?  STFU pedoboy.

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Well they do.  And swat teams prefer rifles.  Cops too.  In uvalde the cops on scene early at handguns and were too scared to go in because he had a rifle.

No, they dont.... as stated. I have supply contracts with police agencies, so no we dont sell them AR 15.....nor would they ask for them.

SWAT teams and police are members of the same clan with different missions, and while there is crossover in their choice of weaponry, they tend to invest in weapons to meet their mission.

SWAT prefers the M4a1, CQBR, and Colt Commando. If you put them next to an AR you might see similarities...but these weapons are better and align to the mission of SWAT which is wider than that of standard officers, so they WILL want to have some access to weaponry that includes some distance-centric variants.

I support them having it, but mainly because I am not one of the dirtbag's out there having confrontations with the police. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

No. They were just a bunch of pooseys.  Quit making sh*t up.  You're as bad as @The Real timschochet.  You don't think they had rifles in their cars if they wanted them?  STFU pedoboy.

In previously unreleased interviews, police who responded to the Robb Elementary shooting told investigators they were cowed by the shooter’s military-style rifle. This drove their decision to wait for a Border Patrol SWAT team to engage him, which took more than an hour.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/20/uvalde-shooting-police-ar-15/

Wrong again pig focker. Your sorry ass doesn't know when to shut up.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

“You knew that it was definitely an AR. There was no way of going in. … We had no choice but to wait and try to get something that had better coverage where we could actually stand up to him.”

 

— Uvalde Police Department Sgt. Donald Page

Strike is the dumbest person alive

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Then why did the cops all use ar15s?  Why do all these school shooters use ar15s?

Not all cops use AR 15's.  Many are transitioning to carbines chambered for 9 mm. Some use AR 15's.  Most have a wide variety of options including handguns, shotguns, carbines, and multiple rifles from semiauto to bolt action snipper rifles.  I not that lots of urban snippers seem to prefer a bolt action chambered to .308.  As for shooters, they choose the flavor du jour.  I remember 15 years ago were the 'scary liberal nightmare was the AK 47, now its this.  You want a real nightmare, A shooter with an unplugged semiauto twelve gauge loaded with double augt buck shot and with a few speed loaders can sweep a room with far more deadly consequences than an AR 15.  Lets say your AR 15 has a 30 round magazine and it is semi auto.  It will send 30 rounds down range in 10  seconds or so.  Now in less time the shotgun wielder could empty his weapon and reload with a spped reloader.  Do you have any idea the number of shots and the number of projectiles the shotgun wielder would have unleashed?  I will wait while you look it up.  Do you have any idea which individual projectile is heavier?  again, I can wait.

 

That idiots make a choice does not validate the choice.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, they dont.... as stated. I have supply contracts with police agencies, so no we dont sell them AR 15.....nor would they ask for them.

 

So you're going on record saying that no police officers use ar15s?

[League Champion 1,911]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well they do.  And swat teams prefer rifles.  Cops too.  In uvalde the cops on scene early at handguns and were too scared to go in because he had a rifle.

In any situation like this you'll have several different options. The police with rifles are more equipment to target in on a subject from a distance. The same goes for the military when sweeping or clearing a building. I preferred my Sig M18 P320 Handgun, others preferred their M16. Both serve different purposes. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

13 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

In previously unreleased interviews, police who responded to the Robb Elementary shooting told investigators they were cowed by the shooter’s military-style rifle. This drove their decision to wait for a Border Patrol SWAT team to engage him, which took more than an hour.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/20/uvalde-shooting-police-ar-15/

Wrong again pig focker. Your sorry ass doesn't know when to shut up.

Damn, Strike was right. You’re as wrong as I am! (Which means not wrong at all actually.) 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,438]

Good thing that monster was forced to shot up the locked door to get in. Could have been worse if it just walked in. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

16 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So you're going on record saying that no police officers use ar15s?

That was not remotely what he was saying.  He was simply pointing out that what you were saying was caregorically wrong.  He made no absolute statements and your attempt to put him on one is unworthy.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,438]

I liked the M-16 A2 except the Fockin hand guards were such a pain in the ass to take off for cleaning.  The A-1 was much easier. 

[RLLD 4,230]

25 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So you're going on record saying that no police officers use ar15s?

I have never sold a single one, I cannot say that they have none, but in my dealings they have never sought that model. Its for sportsmen, not for police. Could some agency have one...I guess its possible.  And then this possession is proof of something? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I have never sold a single one, I cannot say that they have none, but in my dealings they have never sought that model. Its for sportsmen, not for police. Could some agency have one...I guess its possible.  And then this possession is proof of something? 

Just because you never sold them doesn't mean police don't carry them, because in fact they do, and for a reason

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Just because you never sold them doesn't mean police don't carry them, because in fact they do, and for a reason

What is that reason?