At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam

[Cdub100 3,886]

Diversity is our strength. 

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[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

28 minutes ago, MDC said:

You have no idea what my opinions are on this issue, but you tipped your hand immediately in this thread, Sparky.  

By saying Leftist ideas destroy the black community?  Yeah, I tried not to be subtle about throwing that out there.  

[RLLD 4,194]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

By saying Leftist ideas destroy the black community?  Yeah, I tried not to be subtle about throwing that out there.  

There is no perfect idea, all have their flaws of course. It is not as if conservatives have some perfect set of policies and ideas.  The distinction to be noted is that the liberal ideas tilt toward "bad" and notably without the added value of a robust conservative vetting.

Conservative ideas are heavily vetted, from all sides....they are constantly challenged and as a result they are more developed and by extension then also better for that.  You cannot challenge liberal ideas in the same way.  You risk being labelled....racist....mysoginist...homophobe...on and on.

As a result the ideas do not enjoy the kind of critical review and honing....and then they lack development....

Where you observe liberal ideas running unchallenged, you note the steadily decreasing experience of people living there

[Voltaire 5,281]

4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

By saying Leftist ideas destroy the black community?  Yeah, I tried not to be subtle about throwing that out there.  

Polls indicate that minorities may be waking up to how the left is using them, but I'm not holding my breathe.  I'll believe it when I see it. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

Just now, RLLD said:

There is no perfect idea, all have their flaws of course. It is not as if conservatives have some perfect set of poliocies and ideas.  The distinction to be noted is that the liberal ideas tilt toward "bad" and notably without the added value of a robust conservative vetting.

Conservative ideas are heavily vetted, from all sides....they are constantly challenged and as a result they are more developed and by extension then also better for that.  You cannot challenge liberal ideas in the same way.  You risk being labelled....racist....mysoginist...homophobe...on and on.

As a result the ideas do not enjoy the kind of critical review and honing....and then they lack development....

Where you observe liberal ideas running unchallenged, you note the steadily decreasing experience of people living there

Correct, there is no "perfect" idea, but there is a definite "terrible" idea.  Those terrible ideas always come from the left.

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Alright, other liberals here reflexively blame the invisible and ethereal "systemic racism" rather than themselves for their own failed policies. You didn't, your transgression was to disregard the solution and tossed it in the garbage. "I can do it" is what Baltimore students need to hear rather than endless excuses that are 60 years old about whitey keeping them down but, fair enough, you didn't make the second point, only the first.

 

Sure, that's what I did despite posts saying that it for sure is an important piece of the puzzle, but I didn't believe that was the ONLY solution and for the kids currently in school that shouldn't be where we start.    Most of you are so dug into your partisan worldview that you think there is only one solution, or if somebody would start attacking the problem different they fully disregard your idea.   Maybe actually read people's posts? 

[BuckSwope 654]

Maybe I missed a post skimming, but so far the only posts with "systemic racism" in them are from the righties.   Why is everything about race with you guys?  

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Then pay them.  It's the Leftist way.  When you can't fix something (because you never address the problem), you throw more money at it.  So just do that.  Fix it by paying them.  Oh, wait, that doesn't work either.  That's ok, throw more money at it.  That'll fix it.

It's by and large a race thing.  Not across the whole race, but it's more prevalent among black folks... but it stems from a culture issue and a culture that has listened to Democrats for 70 years.

That opinion is all on you then, I fully disagree.  At least you have the balls to say your opinion instead of hiding behind it like others do.   You and Jerry seem to both be playing the race card. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Agreed.  They won't get fixed because that would be racist and we can't discuss how to fix them.

The Final Solution?

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

I reject the premise of this thread and also many of the opinions that border on racism. 

I do not know what the best solution to this issue is, not being an educator in Baltimore. They are the first ones I would ask. 

But this I DO know: it’s our responsibility, yours and mine, to try to fix this. We cannot abandon these kids. 

[RLLD 4,194]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I reject the premise of this thread and also many of the opinions that border on racism. 

I do not know what the best solution to this issue is, not being an educator in Baltimore. They are the first ones I would ask. 

But this I DO know: it’s our responsibility, yours and mine, to try to fix this. We cannot abandon these kids. 

This is a perfect example of the problem. We have to be able to speak frankly, and if we are only going to encounter "racism" then we cannot progress. 

We have to stop pretending that truth is racist.  

[Voltaire 5,281]

4 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Maybe I missed a post skimming, but so far the only posts with "systemic racism" in them are from the righties.   Why is everything about race with you guys?  

More specifically me. I'll save my ammo for next time that theRealTim or someone else brings it up.

it's just that the systemic racism fruit is just so delectably juicy in a thread about Baltimore schools.

People know that of course liberals blame systemic racism for Baltimore's schools because they always blame systemic racism for all their failures. I knew this'd be here before doing a google search because I don't live under a rock: Racism In Baltimore County Schools Detailed In Forum | WYPR Baltimore is entirely the liberals' and teacher's union baby. "Systemic racists" as they define it shoudn't exist there since they've had eternity to solve it. (Well they do exist because systemic racists are mostly liberals but that's another story). Doctor, heal thyself.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That opinion is all on you then, I fully disagree.  At least you have the balls to say your opinion instead of hiding behind it like others do.   You and Jerry seem to both be playing the race card. 

 

Jerry has been into this for decades. Read the Bell Curve back in college and thought it was valid 

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is a perfect example of the problem. We have to be able to speak frankly, and if we are only going to encounter "racism" then we cannot progress. 

We have to stop pretending that truth is racist.  

The truth is that some of the comments are borderline racist. If you want to fix that problem, don’t blame the messenger. Stop with the racism. 

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is a perfect example of the problem. We have to be able to speak frankly, and if we are only going to encounter "racism" then we cannot progress. 

We have to stop pretending that truth is racist.  

RLLD - speaking frankly,  1 person said it was a race thing and another very heavily implied it.    

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

More specifically me. I'll save my ammo for next time that theRealTim or someone else brings it up.

it's just that the systemic racism fruit is just so delectably juicy in a thread about Baltimore schools.

People know that of course liberals blame systemic racism for Baltimore's schools because they always blame systemic racism for all their failures. I knew this'd be here before doing a google search because I don't live under a rock: Racism In Baltimore County Schools Detailed In Forum | WYPR Baltimore is entirely the liberals' and teacher's union baby. Doctor, heal thyself.

Speaking for myself only, I don’t blame systemic racism for the school situation. I just think some of the comments here are racist. 
 

Liberalism is certainly partly to blame for what is happening in that liberals often throw money at these schools in a lazy fashion without dissecting the real issues. (Meanwhile conservatives often cut money from these schools in a lazy fashion without dissecting the real issues.) 

[RLLD 4,194]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The truth is that some of the comments are borderline racist. If you want to fix that problem, don’t blame the messenger. Stop with the racism. 

So long as "racism" is used to impede thourghtful discussion and critical analysis, you participate the the active avoidance....you help doom these people to the same scenario, and worse. 

Do as you please of course, but in order to fix difficult problems we have to risk being offensive. And just because liberal policies have fomented the deplorable outcomes for these folks does not mean we cannot discuss it pointedly....since it is clearly hitting them disproportionately.  You are all in when you can blame anything else, but where blame could be shared by those impacted....you stop short...hence the problem continues. 

[wiffleball 4,789]

Call Mark Harmon. 

 

 

 

Vastly underrated movie.

[RLLD 4,194]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

RLLD - speaking frankly,  1 person said it was a race thing and another very heavily implied it.    

When the police make a mistake and harm a black person, there is certainly plenty of race to be discussed....

When those same people might be contributing to their own negative outcomes....racism....

Does no one see how this is doomed to failure?  No one...no group...no individual....is without fault.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is a perfect example of the problem. We have to be able to speak frankly, and if we are only going to encounter "racism" then we cannot progress. 

We have to stop pretending that truth is racist.  

Because you are being racist, if your suggestion is there’s some inherent problem with particular races.

Most of the racists here argue that their racism is justified because they’re correct. This thread is a perfect example where they say “see, the data backs me up!” So they don’t even deny that they’re racist, they’re really just saying that it’s okay that they’re racist.

A few of the savvier ones recast it as a “cultural” issue rather than an inherent racial one. It’s a nifty repackaging of the same idea but that’s what it is.

Now if you want to take race out of it entirely and say that we need to be focusing more on families and instilling the value of education and so forth, regardless of race, well then I’m all ears. There’s definitely something to that and valid criticisms of the “just throw money at it” or “offer excuses” approaches tossed out by the left

[MDC 7,284]

30 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

By saying Leftist ideas destroy the black community?  Yeah, I tried not to be subtle about throwing that out there.  

Yes, you demonstrated immediately that your only interest in this issue is scoring political points, not solving any problems or having a good faith discussion.

[seafoam1 2,919]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Speaking for myself only, I don’t blame systemic racism for the school situation. I just think some of the comments here are racist. 
 

Liberalism is certainly partly to blame for what is happening in that liberals often throw money at these schools in a lazy fashion without dissecting the real issues. (Meanwhile conservatives often cut money from these schools in a lazy fashion without dissecting the real issues.) 

Typical liberal. Disagree with their stupid policies and they call you a racist. 

It's tiring.

[Voltaire 5,281]

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[Engorgeous George 2,283]

Disincentivize failure.  Take money from the families of failing kids to get the parents involved, whether through stopping  payments of benefits and/or removing tax breaks like child tax credits, or a combination of both.  Take money from the schools based on lack of achievement.  Make teacher contracts dependant upon achievement of students.. Make voting at 18 a privilege depending upon graduation (could still begin voting at 21).  Restrict drivers licenses to those on track for graduation. Require graduation certification on drivers license, state I.D. card or voter regestration card for purchase of legalized marijuana. 

[RLLD 4,194]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Because you are being racist, if your suggestion is there’s some inherent problem with particular races.

Most of the racists here argue that their racism is justified because they’re correct. This thread is a perfect example where they say “see, the data backs me up!” So they don’t even deny that they’re racist, they’re really just saying that it’s okay that they’re racist.

A few of the savvier ones recast it as a “cultural” issue rather than an inherent racial one. It’s a nifty repackaging of the same idea but that’s what it is.

Now if you want to take race out of it entirely and say that we need to be focusing more on families and instilling the value of education and so forth, regardless of race, well then I’m all ears. There’s definitely something to that and valid criticisms of the “just throw money at it” or “offer excuses” approaches tossed out by the left

Not at all.  In fact, by ignoring the problem and hiding behind "racism" you are effectively ensuring a disproportionate outcome. Your manuever is racist in that it harms the people you pretend to care about. 

Now, if you want to ignore the policies toward AA's and pretend they have not harmed them, pretend the racist policies of Democrats over the years have not fomented ongoing harm.....that is fine.....ignore away, it is clearly having the designed impact.....

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Because you are being racist, if your suggestion is there’s some inherent problem with particular races.

Most of the racists here argue that their racism is justified because they’re correct. This thread is a perfect example where they say “see, the data backs me up!” So they don’t even deny that they’re racist, they’re really just saying that it’s okay that they’re racist.

A few of the savvier ones recast it as a “cultural” issue rather than an inherent racial one. It’s a nifty repackaging of the same idea but that’s what it is.

Now if you want to take race out of it entirely and say that we need to be focusing more on families and instilling the value of education and so forth, regardless of race, well then I’m all ears. There’s definitely something to that and valid criticisms of the “just throw money at it” or “offer excuses” approaches tossed out by the left

This hits the nail on the head. It’s not racist to criticize liberal solutions. It’s racist to claim that the problems are inherent in race. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, RLLD said:

Not at all.  In fact, by ignoring the problem and hiding behind "racism" you are effectively ensuring a disproportionate outcome. Your manuever is racist in that it harms the people you pretend to care about. 

Now, if you want to ignore the policies toward AA's and pretend they have not harmed them, pretend the racist policies of Democrats over the years have not fomented ongoing harm.....that is fine.....ignore away, it is clearly having the designed impact.....

What’s “not at all”? What specific part of my post did you disagree with?

Because it seems like you’re not disagreeing at all. Instead you’re trying to throw it back on the left, which is just the standard deflection and whatsboutism that gets us nowhere.

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

When the police make a mistake and harm a black person, there is certainly plenty of race to be discussed....

When those same people might be contributing to their own negative outcomes....racism....

Does no one see how this is doomed to failure?  No one...no group...no individual....is without fault.  

Again, I am also saying that the culture and the family is contributing.   The people this describes are poor, uneducated people like I said.   There is more than enough of those people to go around here where there is hardly any black people.  

IMO it's correct to say that it presents more in the black community because unfortunately poor and uneducated is in higher supply there statistically, but to say it's a race issue is another thing.  That's why I was largely agreeing with tim on the point here and pointing out people were bringing up it being a race thing, and ironically it wasn't from the left side of the aisle.  

[RLLD 4,194]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

What’s “not at all”? What specific part of my post did you disagree with?

Because it seems like you’re not disagreeing at all. Instead you’re trying to throw it back on the left, which is just the standard deflection and whatsboutism that gets us nowhere.

Speaking hard truths is not racist, even if it might offend or hurt feelings, so no....not racist to be honest.

Liberal policies lack vetting, criticism and proper refinement.....you cannot do any of those things because to challenge liberal doctrine risks being labelled.......some ideas are bad, even if thery appear to be virtuous or helpful....but liberals do no tolerate being challenged....as a result their policies are less effective.....more harmful too.

[RLLD 4,194]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Again, I am also saying that the culture and the family is contributing.   The people this describes are poor, uneducated people like I said.   There is more than enough of those people to go around here where there is hardly any black people.  

IMO it's correct to say that it presents more in the black community because unfortunately poor and uneducated is in higher supply there statistically, but to say it's a race issue is another thing.  That's why I was largely agreeing with tim on the point here and pointing out people were bringing up it being a race thing, and ironically it wasn't from the left side of the aisle.  

Agree of course, but we can trace these problems to some really bad policies.

[DonS 3,292]

Baltimore school districts need to start bussing in some Asian kids.  BOOM!!!  Those math scores will then rise by an astronomical amount!!!!!  0% to maybe 1%.  Maybe even 2%!!!!

Problem solved.  Everyone can then get raises for doing such a great job. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

44 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Polls indicate that minorities may be waking up to how the left is using them, but I'm not holding my breathe.  I'll believe it when I see it. 

Agreed, I don't trust polls, so like you, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Cdub100 3,886]

Conservatives - it's liberal policies

Liberals - it's systemic racism

Both are wrong.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

39 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The Final Solution?

School choicE and accountability. Why is anyone  opposed to this?

[Fireballer 2,641]

What is the incentive for inner city youth to work hard and do well in school?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Now if you want to take race out of it entirely and say that we need to be focusing more on families and instilling the value of education and so forth, regardless of race, well then I’m all ears. There’s definitely something to that and valid criticisms of the “just throw money at it” or “offer excuses” approaches tossed out by the left

There are plenty of rich white parents that don't give a sh1t about their kids education, which is why they pay other people to do it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Conservatives - it's liberal policies

Liberals - it's systemic racism

Both are wrong.

let me guess, the problem is diversity? 

[Engorgeous George 2,283]

Return discipline to the schools.  Corporal punishment and physical retraint should be legislatively authorized with immunity from lawsuits provided to those excerrcising either option in good faith within defined parameters.  Teach rerading, writing arithetic, history, civics, science, rhetoric, logic, debate, computer science.  Return vocational training partnering with Vo tech schools for those disinclined to go to college.  Authorize school vouchers.    

[Cdub100 3,886]

 

11 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

School choicE and accountability. Why is anyone  opposed to this?

Because I moved to a nice community and pay taxes to my local school. I don't want inner-city Rif raft making my kid's school worse.

[Engorgeous George 2,283]

7 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What is the incentive for inner city youth to work hard and do well in school?

Someday making it to the suburbs.  or, as I outlined above access to voting, driving, and doping.