House averts shutdown as McCarthy works out deal with Democrats

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

I know some of you are rooting for this. About 20 extreme Republicans are trying to force the rest into it. And apparently Trump behind the scenes is pushing for it as well. They want to shut down Ukraine spending. Actually, it sounds like they want to shut down ALL spending. They want to tear it all down. 

[thegeneral 2,908]

They have no clue what they want within that group.

Hopefully it ends like these almost always do - the weirdos get to get on camera and scream a bunch then they pass something to avoid disaster.

[Cdub100 3,837]

Maybe I'll get a few days off.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

I’m watching this hearing with Merrick Garland and the Republicans are making such fools of themselves. Perhaps the real reason they want to shut down the government is to prevent their embarrassing themselves in any more of these public hearings. 

[RLLD 4,143]

I am assiduously opposed to a shutdown.

Firstly, because it is bad for the nation overall.  I DO expect debate, contentious debate, to arrive at the best possible outcome.  But that requires some level of cooperation.

Secondly, I am opposed because it would imperil the impeachment investigation. I believe the Democrats, being feindishly good politicians, are hoping for a shutdown. They will weaponize it for political advantage, but it could also help them in protecting Joe Biden from having his crimes further exposed. 

[Baker Boy 1,688]

These stupid Republicans want to put and end to tax and spend policies when we are only $33 trillion in debt. When will they understand that we can borrow as much money as we want and never have to pay it back. 

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

These stupid Republicans want to put and end to tax and spend policies when we are only $33 trillion in debt. When will they understand that we can borrow as much money as we want and never have to pay it back. 

The paying back part is for others to worry about later.  Politicians worry about the next election, and how to best buy votes.  Who cares if the country eventually fails...so long as they have power today....

Warren Buffet once said he could fix this problem in a day.....just deny any individual currently in political roles to run for election unless they balanced their spending against revenues.....brilliant.....

[Voltaire 5,195]

This use to be my #1 issue for many years. As a teenager back in the 80s, the pundits on Sunday morning TV warned us that the children would have to pay all this spending and it pissed me off. Well now the children are 51 years old and the country has been consistently running up debt like mad the entire time except for a pause in the late 90s. Yet...

I dunno. I don't understand why the country hasn't gone bellyup, drowning in red ink. I've been anticipating the moment that Wile E. Coyote looks down ever since President Clinton left office. Somehow, despite four presidents in a row, together with their Congresses, not giving a sh*t, that day has never arrived.

Fock if I know how the ship stays afloat.

[Baker Boy 1,688]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The paying back part is for others to worry about later.  Politicians worry about the next election, and how to best buy votes.  Who cares if the country eventually fails...so long as they have power today....

Warren Buffet once said he could fix this problem in a day.....just deny any individual currently in political roles to run for election unless they balanced their spending against revenues.....brilliant.....

• Interest payments on the national debt were $475 billion in fiscal year 2022 — the highest dollar amount ever.
• Interest costs grew 35 percent last year and are projected to grow by another 35 percent in 2023.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

if we stop funding the war, I am all for it

but dont worry Tim your boy Zelensky can yell at you about CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thornton Melon 605]

Ahh, the yearly ritual...leaves starting to change, crisp nights, football ramping up, gubmint shutdown threat...

[Cdub100 3,837]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

This use to be my #1 issue for many years. As a teenager back in the 80s, the pundits on Sunday morning TV warned us that the children would have to pay all this spending and it pissed me off. Well now the children are 51 years old and the country has been consistently running up debt like mad the entire time except for a pause in the late 90s. Yet...

I dunno. I don't understand why the country hasn't gone bellyup, drowning in red ink. I've been anticipating the moment that Wile E. Coyote looks down ever since President Clinton left office. Somehow, despite four presidents in a row, together with their Congresses, not giving a sh*t, that day has never arrived.

Fock if I know how the ship stays afloat.

Planned inflation.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

This use to be my #1 issue for many years. As a teenager back in the 80s, the pundits on Sunday morning TV warned us that the children would have to pay all this spending and it pissed me off. Well now the children are 51 years old and the country has been consistently running up debt like mad the entire time except for a pause in the late 90s. Yet...

I dunno. I don't understand why the country hasn't gone bellyup, drowning in red ink. I've been anticipating the moment that Wile E. Coyote looks down ever since President Clinton left office. Somehow, despite four presidents in a row, together with their Congresses, not giving a sh*t, that day has never arrived.

Fock if I know how the ship stays afloat.

That’s because you have been reading the wrong economists all these years. Start with John Maynard Keynes, and then move on to Paul Krugman. They get it. 

[shadrap 220]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s because you have been reading the wrong economists all these years. Start with John Maynard Keynes, and then move on to Paul Krugman. They get it. 

Keynes is okay.  Krugman is a political hack idiot douchnozzel when it comes to economics or anything for that matter.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

5 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Keynes is okay.  Krugman is a political hack idiot douchnozzel when it comes to economics or anything for that matter.

He’s opinionated and his political views are certainly very liberal. And he’s an arrogant New York Jew who delights in pissing people off. He doesn’t suffer fools very easily. 

But his economic skills are unrivaled. 

[Voltaire 5,195]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s because you have been reading the wrong economists all these years. Start with John Maynard Keynes, and then move on to Paul Krugman. They get it. 

That's too open-ended and I don't have time to sort through it. Maybe an article that explains why the US has gotten away with running up massive compounding debt every year (but two) for 40 years without tanking the economy and another explaining why being $33 trillion in debt isn't scary or much to worry about.

[weepaws 3,155]

Tear it down.   

[Voltaire 5,195]

4 hours ago, weepaws said:

Tear it down.   

Being $33 trillion in debt isn't much of a problem if the ungrateful America-hating leftoid termites inherit it. They're parasitic and cancerous. Fock 'em. Sure, tear it down.

For those few of us left that actually like the founding principles of the country, that respect what it used to stand for and the beliefs we use to share, that appreciate how difficult it is to build a functional decent, and stable civilization, the hard work and sacrificed lives that brought it to be and kept it going through hard times, and want to see it flourish and succeed, it's more on an issue.

[shadrap 220]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s opinionated and his political views are certainly very liberal. And he’s an arrogant New York Jew who delights in pissing people off. He doesn’t suffer fools very easily. 

But his economic skills are unrivaled. 

unrivaled in being stupid & arrogant.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

.

For those few of us left that actually like the founding principles of the country, that respect what it used to stand for and the beliefs we use to share, that appreciate how difficult it is to build a functional decent, and stable civilization, the hard work and sacrificed lives that brought it to be and kept it going through hard times, and want to see it flourish and succeed, it's more on an issue.

Hey @Voltaire I believe in everything you wrote in this paragraph. But I am a liberal and I intend to vote Democrat for the foreseeable future. I realize that is a contradiction in your eyes but it’s not in mine. I wish you would open your mind and allow for this fact. Liberals love their country and what it stands for as much as you do. 

[Mufaletta 70]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I know some of you are rooting for this. About 20 extreme Republicans are trying to force the rest into it. And apparently Trump behind the scenes is pushing for it as well. They want to shut down Ukraine spending. Actually, it sounds like they want to shut down ALL spending. They want to tear it all down. 

TDS acting up again?     This gal may be able to help.   

[shadrap 220]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s opinionated and his political views are certainly very liberal. And he’s an arrogant New York Jew who delights in pissing people off. He doesn’t suffer fools very easily. 

But his economic skills are unrivaled. 

On June 27, 2008, Krugman wrote in The New York Times: “Regulating futures markets more tightly isn’t a bad idea, but it won’t bring back the days of cheap oil. Nothing will. Oil prices will fluctuate in the coming years—I wouldn’t be surprised if they slip for a while as consumers drive less, switch to more fuel-efficient cars, and so on—but the long-term trend is surely up.” 

That day, oil traded above $140. It soon plummeted. And despite nearly two decades of inflation, oil has yet to top that nominal high.

 Let’s review a Krugman prediction about the market more generally (his self-identified specialty).

On November 9, 2016, he wrote: “It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover? Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear. Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.” 

Between Krugman’s prediction and the Crash of 2020, the S&P 500 more than doubled and the Nasdaq more than tripled.

 

Guy is a political hack & an idiot.

[jonmx 2,424]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Voltaire I believe in everything you wrote in this paragraph. But I am a liberal and I intend to vote Democrat for the foreseeable future. I realize that is a contradiction in your eyes but it’s not in mine. I wish you would open your mind and allow for this fact. Liberals love their country and what it stands for as much as you do. 

Liberals are an extinct species.  Show me the Democrats who embrace free speech, self-defense, property rights, privacy, local authority/states rights, equality before the law.   

Democrats despise the concepts of individual liberties enumerated in our Constitution.  You desire elitist authoritarian rule over all the 'deplorables'.  

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

13 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Liberals are an extinct species.  Show me the Democrats who embrace free speech, self-defense, property rights, privacy, local authority/states rights, equality before the law.   

Democrats despise the concepts of individual liberties enumerated in our Constitution.  You desire elitist authoritarian rule over all the 'deplorables'.  

I believe in all of those things. So does every liberal Democrat I know. Each one, however, has limits, and I don’t agree with your applications. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Liberals are an extinct species.  Show me the Democrats who embrace free speech, self-defense, property rights, privacy, local authority/states rights, equality before the law.   

Democrats despise the concepts of individual liberties enumerated in our Constitution.  You desire elitist authoritarian rule over all the 'deplorables'.  

It’s also interesting that a majority of conservatives are getting ready to vote for a guy for President who very clearly doesn’t agree with any of the principles you just listed. Not one. 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s also interesting that a majority of conservatives are getting ready to vote for a guy for President who very clearly doesn’t agree with any of the principles you just listed. Not one. 

Very uninterestingly, you are full of crap. 

[jonmx 2,424]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe in all of those things. So does every liberal Democrat I know. Each one, however, has limits, and I don’t agree with your applications. 

No you don't.  You are the most anti-free speech person I have ever seem.   You despise alternative media with a passion.  You think people (at least conservative people) should be in jail for defending their lives.  You have different rules and legal standards based on sex, politics and race.  You have no issues with the fbi raiding the homes of journalists you don't like.  You are the biggest worshiper of authority I have ever seen.

[seafoam1 2,799]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I know some of you are rooting for this. About 20 extreme Republicans are trying to force the rest into it. And apparently Trump behind the scenes is pushing for it as well. They want to shut down Ukraine spending. Actually, it sounds like they want to shut down ALL spending. They want to tear it all down. 

Excellent. I hope they win. 

[Fnord 2,051]

34 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Liberals are an extinct species.  Show me the Democrats who embrace free speech, self-defense, property rights, privacy, local authority/states rights, equality before the law.   

Democrats despise the concepts of individual liberties enumerated in our Constitution.  You desire elitist authoritarian rule over all the 'deplorables'.  

I embrace ALL of those things. Keep telling me what I believe though, someday you might get close. You are the living embodiment of why people hate MAGA. Too simple minded and brainwashed to see what is right in front of your faces, yet still arrogant enough to tell you what you're thinking is wrong, despite being wrong about what you think.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

200 students in Pennsylvania walked out of school in protest of the schools transgender bathroom policy. They are against it. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

200 students in Pennsylvania walked out of school in protest of the schools transgender bathroom policy. They are against it. 

It depends what the policy is for democrats to defend or condemn and silence the students. They only like some free speech. That free speech they don't like needs to be cancelled or muted. 

[Voltaire 5,195]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Voltaire I believe in everything you wrote in this paragraph. But I am a liberal and I intend to vote Democrat for the foreseeable future. I realize that is a contradiction in your eyes but it’s not in mine. I wish you would open your mind and allow for this fact. Liberals love their country and what it stands for as much as you do. 

Really? Somehow I'm not convinced.

You're the one that endorses CRT and the Marxist lies, shaming and national hatred that comes with it.  I call CRT Marxist because all it's founders that developed it were Marxist and we don't want these a$$holes telling our national story to our kids. First, it's bullsh*t. Second, this is what CRT's interpretation of history brings:

Vandals hit pioneer monument, tear down George Washington statue in Minneapolis | American Military News

Two historic pioneer statues torn down on University of Oregon campus | KMTR (nbc16.com)

Murals can depict traumatic history — schools must decide what stays on the wall : NPR

Even Laura Ingalls Wilder (who you probably never heard of) isn't immune: Laura Ingalls Wilder's name removed from prestigious award over 'dated' attitudes (nbcnews.com)

Then there's the national disrepect of the flag via the Colin Kaepernick protests. Protesting an imaginary problem if you take his word for it. Police abuses are mostly made up. We hear about each one because they always make national news. Then when you scratch the surface, few turn out to be the cop's fault. Rinse Repeat for most of the racial intimidation that takes place on college campuses invariably turn out to be hoaxes. It mostly exists in the heads of leftoids.

There's the coddling of criminals because criminals are disproportionately minorities, even though the victims of crimes are also disproportionately minorities who'd be better off if these predators were off the streets. You leftoids are making your urban sh*tholes unliveable by refusing to put criminals in prison.  

As the George Washington statues come down, up go the George Floyd memorials. Somewhere out there is a mom and a six year old kid (likely minorities themselves) walking past a mural celebrating the life of the man your people have cannonized who pointed a gun at her child while she was pregnant.

the "systemic racism" nonsense that only exists in the left's imagination. All my life, the only "systemic" thing I've seen is the government and private institutions bending over backwards to help black people. It's no secret that they've had far more opportunities than I have in life (except in China where white privilege and racial discrimination against blacks actually does exist) . Oddly, in the US, systemic racism seems to only exist in places and institutions controlled by the very people who complain about it.

Now it's time to naval gaze about how living in Michigan means that I live on stolen land.

"I live on stolen land. The United States stole Michigan from the British, who stole it from the French, who gained it in cooperation with the various Anishinaabek tribes, who only exist today because allying with the French prevented them from being slaughtered and having their land stolen by the Iroquois, a tribal confederacy to the east who had been kicking their asses until the French came along. At some point, the Anishinaabek had gained control of the land by stealing it from another tribe they had slaughtered and is now gone to history.  Previously, that tribe gone to history had stolen it from an earlier tribe gone to history. Somewhere in history, in 800 BC, a great Indian civilization existed in the region we call the Adina. This tribe had advanced mathematics and astronomy capable of building the amazing serpent mound in Ohio. In 100 AD, the liberals in this exceptional Adina tribe were pissing and moaning about how nine hundred years ago, their despicable ancestors had built their great serpent mound on land they had stolen from somebody else. As they bickered and complained, a backwards-ass Indian tribe from over there came along and kicked their focking asses. Everybody who knew how to engineer, carry out the mathematical calculations, and chart astronomical guide points in the night sky needed build these impressive serpent mounds were killed and had their land stolen."

The Serpent Mound is cool: Serpent Mound Historical Site, an Ohio State Memorial located near Hillsboro, Chillicothe (greatserpentmound.com)

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

25 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Really? Somehow I'm not convinced.

You're the one that endorses CRT and the Marxist lies, shaming and national hatred that comes with it.  I call CRT Marxist because all it's founders that developed it were Marxist and we don't want these a$$holes telling our national story to our kids. First, it's bullsh*t. Second, this is what CRT's interpretation of history brings:

Vandals hit pioneer monument, tear down George Washington statue in Minneapolis | American Military News

Two historic pioneer statues torn down on University of Oregon campus | KMTR (nbc16.com)

Murals can depict traumatic history — schools must decide what stays on the wall : NPR

Even Laura Ingalls Wilder (who you probably never heard of) isn't immune: Laura Ingalls Wilder's name removed from prestigious award over 'dated' attitudes (nbcnews.com)

Then there's the national disrepect of the flag via the Colin Kaepernick protests. Protesting an imaginary problem if you take his word for it. Police abuses are mostly made up. We hear about each one because they always make national news. Then when you scratch the surface, few turn out to be the cop's fault. Rinse Repeat for most of the racial intimidation that takes place on college campuses invariably turn out to be hoaxes. It mostly exists in the heads of leftoids.

There's the coddling of criminals because criminals are disproportionately minorities, even though the victims of crimes are also disproportionately minorities who'd be better off if these predators were off the streets. You leftoids are making your urban sh*tholes unliveable by refusing to put criminals in prison.  

As the George Washington statues come down, up go the George Floyd memorials. Somewhere out there is a mom and a six year old kid (likely minorities themselves) walking past a mural celebrating the life of the man your people have cannonized who pointed a gun at her child while she was pregnant.

the "systemic racism" nonsense that only exists in the left's imagination. All my life, the only "systemic" thing I've seen is the government and private institutions bending over backwards to help black people. It's no secret that they've had far more opportunities than I have in life (except in China where white privilege and racial discrimination against blacks actually does exist) . Oddly, in the US, systemic racism seems to only exist in places and institutions controlled by the very people who complain about it.

Now it's time to naval gaze about how living in Michigan means that I live on stolen land.

"I live on stolen land. The United States stole Michigan from the British, who stole it from the French, who gained it in cooperation with the various Anishinaabek tribes, who only exist today because allying with the French prevented them from being slaughtered and having their land stolen by the Iroquois, a tribal confederacy to the east who had been kicking their asses until the French came along. At some point, the Anishinaabek had gained control of the land by stealing it from another tribe they had slaughtered and is now gone to history.  Previously, that tribe gone to history had stolen it from an earlier tribe gone to history. Somewhere in history, in 800 BC, a great Indian civilization existed in the region we call the Adina. This tribe had advanced mathematics and astronomy capable of building the amazing serpent mound in Ohio. In 100 AD, the liberals in this exceptional Adina tribe were pissing and moaning about how nine hundred years ago, their despicable ancestors had built their great serpent mound on land they had stolen from somebody else. As they bickered and complained, a backwards-ass Indian tribe from over there came along and kicked their focking asses. Everybody who knew how to engineer, carry out the mathematical calculations, and chart astronomical guide points in the night sky needed build these impressive serpent mounds were killed and had their land stolen."

The Serpent Mound is cool: Serpent Mound Historical Site, an Ohio State Memorial located near Hillsboro, Chillicothe (greatserpentmound.com)

First off of all the insults you could throw at me, suggesting that I don’t know who Laura Ingalls Wilder was is probably the worst. Talking about my favorite show as a kid (along with the Waltons) plus I read those books to death. How dare you? 

Now for the rest: 

1. Yes I do support CRT. It’s not Marxist and I don’t find it contradictory to our great history. We have a great history and a terrible history. All of it should be taught. 

2. I’m almost always opposed to taking statues down. That’s a part of cancel culture that I really don’t like. I also don’t think it’s particularly important. 
 

3. I don’t particularly love Colin Kaepernick (in fact I think he’s an arrogant jerk) but he didn’t disrespect the flag. By kneeling during the National Anthem he acted in the best tradition of peaceful protest in this country, in the spirit of Martin Luther King, William Lloyd Garrison and others. It’s the greatest salute to our flag, and the ideals it represents, that anyone could offer. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I know some of you are rooting for this. About 20 extreme Republicans are trying to force the rest into it. And apparently Trump behind the scenes is pushing for it as well. They want to shut down Ukraine spending. Actually, it sounds like they want to shut down ALL spending. They want to tear it all down. 

Like gordon ramsey says....shut it down!!!!

[Voltaire 5,195]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off of all the insults you could throw at me, suggesting that I don’t know who Laura Ingalls Wilder was is probably the worst. Talking about my favorite show as a kid (along with the Waltons) plus I read those books to death. How dare you? 

Now for the rest: 

1. Yes I do support CRT. It’s not Marxist and I don’t find it contradictory to our great history. We have a great history and a terrible history. All of it should be taught. 

2. I’m almost always opposed to taking statues down. That’s a part of cancel culture that I really don’t like. I also don’t think it’s particularly important. 
 

3. I don’t particularly love Colin Kaepernick (in fact I think he’s an arrogant jerk) but he didn’t disrespect the flag. By kneeling during the National Anthem he acted in the best tradition of peaceful protest in this country, in the spirit of Martin Luther King, William Lloyd Garrison and others. It’s the greatest salute to our flag, and the ideals it represents, that anyone could offer. 

Hopefully realizing that your fellow liberals took Laura Ingalls Wilder's name off a children's writing award should serve as a wake up call. You could imagine my reaction who has despised leftoids all along.

Here's who wikipedia identifies as the creators of CRT: CRT, a framework of analysis grounded in critical theory,^[21] originated in the mid-1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams.^[22

I have to run but you can go through that list before  I go over it. You do know that BLM is founded my open Marxists?

[seafoam1 2,799]

6 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Like gordon ramsey says....shut it down!!!!

These libs don't know what the national debt does to this country in the long run

 

[posty 2,612]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

suggesting that I don’t know who Laura Ingalls Wilder was is probably the worst. Talking about my favorite show as a kid (along with the Waltons)

[Fnord 2,051]

19 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Hopefully realizing that your fellow liberals took Laura Ingalls Wilder's name off a children's writing award should serve as a wake up call.

That is focked up. This line of thinking is so stupid. It's like getting angry at an Archie Bunker rerun because of the terms being used. Cancel culture at its most debased. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Hopefully realizing that your fellow liberals took Laura Ingalls Wilder's name off a children's writing award should serve as a wake up call. You could imagine my reaction who has despised leftoids all along.

Here's who wikipedia identifies as the creators of CRT: CRT, a framework of analysis grounded in critical theory,^[21] originated in the mid-1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams.^[22

I have to run but you can go through that list before  I go over it. You do know that BLM is founded my open Marxists?

Many good ideas have come from Marxists (for example Social Security and the Civil Rights Movement.) I take the good ideas and reject the Marxism. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

That's too open-ended and I don't have time to sort through it. Maybe an article that explains why the US has gotten away with running up massive compounding debt every year (but two) for 40 years without tanking the economy and another explaining why being $33 trillion in debt isn't scary or much to worry about.

We haven’t. New home buyers can’t buy houses, 60% of buyers are priced out of the auto market and, groceries are $300 a week.

 

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

No you don't.  You are the most anti-free speech person I have ever seem.   You despise alternative media with a passion.  You think people (at least conservative people) should be in jail for defending their lives.  You have different rules and legal standards based on sex, politics and race.  You have no issues with the fbi raiding the homes of journalists you don't like.  You are the biggest worshiper of authority I have ever seen.

He was also ok with shutting down small businesses and firing people for not getting the Covid shot. Total sh!tlib.