War in Israel

[Strike 5,438]

28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It was handled about as well as a bad situation could be, yes. It was a bad hand that nobody had the courage to play for 20 years, including Trump, who had promised an exit from Afghanistan under his watch but who predictably kicked the can down the road instead (as did Obama).

There is no f'ing way it was handled as well as it could have been:

1)  We gave up a secure airport where it would have been easy for us to leave without getting attacked.  As a result, we had to use an insecure airport that resulted in deaths and massive rioting.

2)  You don't remove your military BEFORE you remove unprotected civilians. 

I thought there was agreement about these two specific points.  But then we have people like you and @The Real timschochet. 

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32 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It was handled about as well as a bad situation could be, yes.

Link?  Or just your opinion?

I get that it isn't easy to just leave.  But to act like that was as good of a job that could have been done is quite laughable.  

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How would it have been worse?  Sit there and train the terrorists before leaving?   Send in more equipment and leave it?  

Exactly what does "worse" look like?  

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

You have a college-aged daughter, no?  If so, I'm surprised you haven't seen woke on campuses.  Or maybe you do, but you don't realize it because you are on the ride along with it, so you don't feel it moving.

There are a lot of alumni concerned with the impact of woke, or specifically of censorship of un-woke ideas.  I belong to the MIT Free Speech Alliance (https://www.mitfreespeech.org/) and there are a growing number of similar groups forming across the country.  In fact, tonight our group is hosting a debate entitled "Is STEM racist?"  The idea of the group is not to advocate one side in any such argument, but rather to make sure both sides are heard.

 

I actually have 2 daughters of college age. And of course I see things woke. And sometimes it gets absurd. At my daughters college, Chapman University in Orange, there was a move last year to replace a bust of Ronald Reagan (said to be racist and homophobic) with Angela Davis. Thankfully the administration withstood the pressure. 

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

Are you an MIT grad? Very impressive. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I actually have 2 daughters of college age. And of course I see things woke. And sometimes it gets absurd. At my daughters college, Chapman University in Orange, there was a move last year to replace a bust of Ronald Reagan (said to be racist and homophobic) with Angela Davis. Thankfully the administration withstood the pressure. 

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

Are you an MIT grad? Very impressive. 

You don’t have a problem with woke? You celebrate woke. You say it’s the future, with glee. What a phony. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

That's not Woke. Woke is forcing it down others throats. That's why they made up the term "Woke". If your not waiving a rainbow or BLM flag you're a racist & homophobe. You need a bumper sticker, flag and pride apparel to be officially woke. You know that. 

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Damn. If Kanye had waited a little while longer to spew his anti-semitism he would have been getting endorsements instead of losing them.  Timing is everything.  I see a come back on the horizon.  

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I actually have 2 daughters of college age. And of course I see things woke. And sometimes it gets absurd. At my daughters college, Chapman University in Orange, there was a move last year to replace a bust of Ronald Reagan (said to be racist and homophobic) with Angela Davis. Thankfully the administration withstood the pressure. 

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

Are you an MIT grad? Very impressive. 

What rights do these people not have?  

You come off as a guy who has zero minority friends.  Most any sane ones would think you are ridiculous.   

Mr cheap labor telling us about rights for minorities.   You have to be joking.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What rights do these people not have?  

You come off as a guy who has zero minority friends.  Most any sane ones would think you are ridiculous.   

Mr cheap labor telling us about rights for minorities.   You have to be joking.  

Please. He has a cleaning lady that is most likely brown. That’s about it.  

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25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I actually have 2 daughters of college age. And of course I see things woke. And sometimes it gets absurd. At my daughters college, Chapman University in Orange, there was a move last year to replace a bust of Ronald Reagan (said to be racist and homophobic) with Angela Davis. Thankfully the administration withstood the pressure. 

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

Are you an MIT grad? Very impressive. 

Chapman university.  A whole 2 pct black.  Black Lives Matter. But they can’t come over.  

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Trumpers who complain about the Afghanistan pullout crack me up. We wouldn’t have been there at all when Biden took office if their guy kept his campaign promise to leave. 

MAGAtards are like a nagging wife who sits in the passenger seat whining about what you’re doing wrong while you change a tire in the rain.  

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trumpers who complain about the Afghanistan pullout crack me up.

Because you are stupid.  

It's easy.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wrong.  Trump was drawing down and told the Taliban if they pull any shitt he was going to bomb the Fock out of them.  It was called the DOHA agreement and the troops were to be out by May of 2021. Biden moved it up for political purposes. He wanted to give a speech on 9/11. He canceled the speech. I wonder why? 

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Link?  Or just your opinion?

I get that it isn't easy to just leave.  But to act like that was as good of a job that could have been done is quite laughable.  

Not at all.

Without those 13 troop deaths, this wouldn’t even be a debate. The rest is just quibbling.

And the troop deaths are certainly very unfortunate. However, you have to weigh that against the 2,402 total casualties and 20,000 wounded, as well as historical precedents for withdrawing.

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9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not at all.

Without those 13 troop deaths, this wouldn’t even be a debate. The rest is just quibbling.

And the troop deaths are certainly very unfortunate. However, you have to weigh that against the 2,402 total casualties and 20,000 wounded, as well as historical precedents for withdrawing.

Please.  How many casualties/deaths were recent? Also we lost a bit of dangerous equipment to bad people.

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37 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not at all.

Without those 13 troop deaths, this wouldn’t even be a debate. The rest is just quibbling.

And the troop deaths are certainly very unfortunate. However, you have to weigh that against the 2,402 total casualties and 20,000 wounded, as well as historical precedents for withdrawing.

So now you are putting it up against being there at all?  How long since last of our casualties?   You are massaging your argument with the totality of being there?   What?

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54 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trumpers who complain about the Afghanistan pullout crack me up. We wouldn’t have been there at all when Biden took office if their guy kept his campaign promise to leave. 

MAGAtards are like a nagging wife who sits in the passenger seat whining about what you’re doing wrong while you change a tire in the rain.  

So your argument is thr fact of pulling out at all?  And not how it was accomplished?  The topic?

Ok

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I thought lots of the weapons left were meant for the Afghan army which folded up shop in like 3 weeks.

Was the US supposed to take that stuff from them when they began withdrawing from areas?

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On 11/1/2023 at 9:55 AM, GutterBoy said:

You really are a child.  

That explains why you love his attention so much Gutterpedo

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I actually have 2 daughters of college age. And of course I see things woke. And sometimes it gets absurd. At my daughters college, Chapman University in Orange, there was a move last year to replace a bust of Ronald Reagan (said to be racist and homophobic) with Angela Davis. Thankfully the administration withstood the pressure. 

But in general I don’t have a problem with woke. I approve of pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-black history, pro-women’s rights, etc. 

Are you an MIT grad? Very impressive. 

Yes, thanks.  For those who want to watch live:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqZLCdl4O90

Not sure if you need to register first.

Moderator is the former head of ACLU, she said 40% of respondents from 248 different colleges state that they do not feel that they can discuss controversial topics on campus.  I suspect the number is actually higher.

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Not at all.

Without those 13 troop deaths, this wouldn’t even be a debate. The rest is just quibbling.

And the troop deaths are certainly very unfortunate. However, you have to weigh that against the 2,402 total casualties and 20,000 wounded, as well as historical precedents for withdrawing.

I'm sorry ma'am/sir.  Your son/daughter died and if we'd done things differently we could have saved him/her but you should take solace in knowing that compared to historical precedents they were part of a much smaller group of casualties.  Here's your flag.

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm sorry ma'am/sir.  Your son/daughter died and if we'd done things differently we could have saved him/her but you should take solace in knowing that compared to historical precedents they were part of a much smaller group of casualties.  Here's your flag.

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Please.  How many casualties/deaths were recent? Also we lost a bit of dangerous equipment to bad people.

Not many but what’s your point? You go to war, people will die. They’ll die at the beginning of the war, the middle of the war and, yes, the end. They always do.

Which is why you shouldn’t go to war. But you know who made that choice? George W Bush (you also cheered for him and that war, by the way). Not Biden. And like I’ve said a hundred times now, Obama didn’t end it, and neither did Trump (even though Trump promised to—and lied).

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Not many but what’s your point? You go to war, people will die. They’ll die at the beginning of the war, the middle of the war and, yes, the end. They always do.

Which is why you shouldn’t go to war. But you know who made that choice? George W Bush (you also cheered for him and that war, by the way). Not Biden. And like I’ve said a hundred times now, Obama didn’t end it, and neither did Trump (even though Trump promised to—and lied).

Trump lied. He had an agreement and a date in place and he was drawing down moving towards it.  That hardly constitutes a lie. 

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33 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm sorry ma'am/sir.  Your son/daughter died and if we'd done things differently we could have saved him/her but you should take solace in knowing that compared to historical precedents they were part of a much smaller group of casualties.  Here's your flag.

You could say that for every single one of the casualties of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry your son died when we basically accomplished nothing. Sorry your son was the last to die, or could’ve been the last to die if we’d gotten out earlier. That’s true of every single war death, ever.

So, again, the answer is to not go. And who actually said that then? Oh yeah, I did. Not you, you were cheering for it.

Who marched in the streets of DC against the war? I did. Not you.

So don’t tell me how all those young lives were wasted. I saw it coming a mile away. Difference was I actually wanted to stop it whereas you want to use their deaths for cheap points after the fact

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump lied. He had an agreement and a date in place and he was drawing down moving towards it.  That hardly constitutes a lie. 

Not during his term. A poosay AND a liar, kicking the can down the road for the next guy to handle 

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

Not during his term. A poosay AND a liar, kicking the can down the road for the next guy to handle 

Ok worms. He should have rushed.  It worked out great that way. I’m sure your take would have been the same if he had ignored the advice of his SOD and top general like Biden did and had the same result. You would be here clapping for him. What a hack. 

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

So your argument is thr fact of pulling out at all?  And not how it was accomplished?  The topic?

Ok

My argument is whining about a less than perfect end to a 20-year quagmire is petty.

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok worms. He should have rushed.  It worked out great that way. I’m sure your take would have been the same if he had ignored the advice of his SOD and top general like Biden did and had the same result. You would be here clapping for him. What a hack. 

I wouldn’t be calling him a poosay and a liar. Had four years to do it. 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

My argument is whining about a less than perfect end to a 20-year quagmire is petty.

Exactly.

It’s just like Benghazi. Remember when the right lost their minds over that? It was four deaths in a dangerous place. Terrible it happened, but blown way out of all sense of proportion by the right — and merely to score cheap political points

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Exactly.

It’s just like Benghazi. Remember when the right lost their minds over that? It was four deaths in a dangerous place. Terrible it happened, but blown way out of all sense of proportion by the right — and merely to score cheap political points

These disasters occurred during Obama/Hilary and Biden. That’s why you try to minimize them.

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Exactly.

It’s just like Benghazi. Remember when the right lost their minds over that? It was four deaths in a dangerous place. Terrible it happened, but blown way out of all sense of proportion by the right — and merely to score cheap political points

Then why did they send Susan Rice out there to lie to the American people about it? Oh yeah. There was an election in a matter of weeks. Let’s forget that.  

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Found cdub’s twitter handle.

 

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Anyone who thinks we aren’t going to send in troops at some point is nuts. 

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38 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

These disasters occurred during Obama/Hilary and Biden. That’s why you try to minimize them.

False.

Actually more US troops died under Trump than have under Biden.

But I'm not trying to use their deaths to score points.

HTH

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12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

False.

Actually more US troops died under Trump than have under Biden.

But I'm not trying to use their deaths to score points.

HTH

I’m talking about the perception of the United States to our own people and around the world by Benghazi and Afghanistan pull out. Obama and Biden made us weak to other countries.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Found cdub’s twitter handle.

 

Sine WW2 there has never been a better time to be an antisemite. They just aren’t afraid to hide it anymore 

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Just now, HellToupee said:

Sine WW2 there has never been a better time to be an antisemite. They just aren’t afraid to hide it anymore 

To think Biden felt compelled to run for President because of anti-semitism. Tiki torches! Khakis!