Reality of Governmental Overreach

[RLLD 4,230]

Federal agencies flagged Americans’ financial transactions using terms like ‘Trump’ and ‘MAGA’

 

So then.......it is true that when a Republican enters the White House, and sets up the DOJ to do this to Democrats....that will be just fine, right?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Hmmm, I shopped at Richard 's, Cabella's, Bass Pro Shop and REI this past year.  Maybe REI is  granola crunchy hairy-legged colorado chick enough to offset the others.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

I did use my credit card at Colorado Clay's, the Firing Line, and the range at Cherry Creek  and used it for hunting licenses, so I probably got flagged for that.

[MDC 7,405]

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

[Reality 3,121]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

[seafoam1 3,017]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

This is your ilk's doing cack.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

Thank you, this is what I was looking for.

Now, when the Republicans take power.....they can decide that liberals are demographically more likely to engage in terrorism, and do it to them as well.

[Nomad99 741]

28 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Federal agencies flagged Americans’ financial transactions using terms like ‘Trump’ and ‘MAGA’

 

So then.......it is true that when a Republican enters the White House, and sets up the DOJ to do this to Democrats....that will be just fine, right?

No. As we have seen....things like cancel culture only work 1 way. When the shoe is on the other foot, foul is called & lefties scold conservatives for doing it after bashing the practice. It's their "have your cake & eat it too" attitude. 

[MDC 7,405]

Perhaps MAGAtards should root out the terrorism and sedition in their culture if they don’t want to be profiled?  

[Baker Boy 1,699]

19 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

I guess you forgot about the summer of 2020.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Perhaps MAGAtards should root out the terrorism and sedition in their culture if they don’t want to be profiled?  

Too late, you said it was an acceptable course of action if someone has decided that their ideological opponents are bad......so, the future should be far more interesting......

[thegeneral 3,207]

If you put “for Jan 6th riot gear” in the memo of your Venmo transfer I guess you deserve a little scrutiny. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If you put “for Jan 6th riot gear” in the memo of your Venmo transfer I guess you deserve a little scrutiny. 

Excellent.... if you concur that these tactics are acceptable based on what ever standard we feel like, game on......lets see how you and yours like this when its revisited on you....

[thegeneral 3,207]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Excellent.... if you concur that these tactics are acceptable based on what ever standard we feel like, game on......lets see how you and yours like this when its revisited on you....

That was a joke but I have nothing to hide!

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That was a joke but I have nothing to hide!

Yikes....I hope that is a joke as well.....

[thegeneral 3,207]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Yikes....I hope that is a joke as well.....

Kind of. If the Feds want to look at what I’m spending money on I don’t really care TBH. What they do with that is more important.

Like say I bought a shitton of fertilizer and it flags on some watchlist and they see I’m a farmer or whatever and I’m none the wiser. That works for me.

[jonmx 2,429]

47 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe MAGAtards are demographically more likely to engage in domestic terrorism?

A “quick twitch” to terrorism, if you will.  

 

What is it like to be a massive bootlicker for authoritarian bastards?   The authoritarian leftist bastards portray MAGAtards in the same light as Nazi's portrayed Jews and other undesirables.   How does it feel to know you are made of the same cloth as Nazis?   Don't you feel like a low-life retard?  Well you should.  

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Kind of. If the Feds want to look at what I’m spending money on I don’t really care TBH. What they do with that is more important.

Like say I bought a shitton of fertilizer and it flags on some watchlist and they see I’m a farmer or whatever and I’m none the wiser. That works for me.

I understand your point.   But that hints of "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"....and I am just not with that.   The government can fock off, they do not to get to mess with my stuff and life.  I also have nothing to hide, but fock them if they think they can be Soviet on me....

Its dark stuff, we should not give an inch on this.  We already let the soviet "politically correct" scheme pollute our politics....this slow movement toward that totalitarian place is discomforting.

[thegeneral 3,207]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I understand your point.   But that hints of "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"....and I am just not with that.   The government can fock off, they do not to get to mess with my stuff and life.  I also have nothing to hide, but fock them if they think they can be Soviet on me....

Its dark stuff, we should not give an inch on this.  We already let the soviet "politically correct" scheme pollute our politics....this slow movement toward that totalitarian place is discomforting.

There is a happy middle ground. TBH I didn’t read the article you posted so not exactly sure what happened here.

Everyone needs to be kept in check that includes your average Joe and the US government. I understand new tools and how they are applied being controversial and appreciate them being made public if there is any question. 

[seafoam1 3,017]

43 minutes ago, MDC said:

Perhaps MAGAtards should root out the terrorism and sedition in their culture if they don’t want to be profiled?  

 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, thegeneral said:

There is a happy middle ground. TBH I didn’t read the article you posted so not exactly sure what happened here.

Everyone needs to be kept in check that includes your average Joe and the US government. I understand new tools and how they are applied being controversial and appreciate them being made public if there is any question. 

  I respectfully disagree.    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[zsasz 369]

49 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Thank you, this is what I was looking for.

Now, when the Republicans take power.....they can decide that liberals are demographically more likely to engage in terrorism, and do it to them as well.

You do have the Republican favorite in the POTUS saying he'll use dictatorial powers when he gets in office.  Republicans are cheering him as the savior of the country.  I don't agree with him wanting to be a dictator nor do I agree with the DOJ  doing this.....but if someone is telling you that he's coming for you....I'd imagine most people would be fine with trying to prevent that.  

[jonmx 2,429]

3 minutes ago, zsasz said:

You do have the Republican favorite in the POTUS saying he'll use dictatorial powers when he gets in office.  Republicans are cheering him as the savior of the country.  I don't agree with him wanting to be a dictator nor do I agree with the DOJ  doing this.....but if someone is telling you that he's coming for you....I'd imagine most people would be fine with trying to prevent that.  

Only to clean house of all the massive corruption on day 1.   IMHO, draining the swamp is a very temporary fix to the problems which plague Washington DC.   Our current DOJ, FBI, CDC, CIA, NSA, ATF and others operate like Nazis and we have lost control of these agencies.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

The trolling around here has really been subpar for quite some time now.  

[thegeneral 3,207]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

  I respectfully disagree.    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Slippery slope and all. Make things public and let the laws figure it out.

Generally speaking if someone gets busted for breaking laws based on tools they have for investigating then I don’t really follow sorry for them. 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

15 minutes ago, zsasz said:

You do have the Republican favorite in the POTUS saying he'll use dictatorial powers when he gets in office.  Republicans are cheering him as the savior of the country.  I don't agree with him wanting to be a dictator nor do I agree with the DOJ  doing this.....but if someone is telling you that he's coming for you....I'd imagine most people would be fine with trying to prevent that.  

Your misrepresentation does not sway me, I know this lie, and how it was formed and why its a favorite.   By all means, project, liberals are consistent on few things, but advertising how "they" think and will act is one such area.

The Republican favorite has been held to account, and in fact the actions have gone past reason, are now in the realm of persecution.

But if we are satisfied with the lawfare and abuses that have been used toward Trump, we can then be satisfied when used against any future politician, right? 

[Dizkneelande 1,096]

Using private companies to end around the 4th amendment seems a bit tyrannical and fascistic.

[weepaws 3,191]

31 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Only to clean house of all the massive corruption on day 1.   IMHO, draining the swamp is a very temporary fix to the problems which plague Washington DC.   Our current DOJ, FBI, CDC, CIA, NSA, ATF and others operate like Nazis and we have lost control of these agencies.  

Agreed. 

[seafoam1 3,017]

Just now, weepaws said:

Agreed. 

Oh boy. I'm sure that makes his day. 

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

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The Ohio Republican wrote in his letter to Mr. Bishoff that the two panels obtained documents indicating that after the Jan. 6 riot, FinCEN sent materials to financial institutions that, among other things, outlined the “typologies” of different persons of interest.  

FinCEN provided these financial institutions, Mr. Jordan said, with suggested search terms and Merchant Category Codes (MCCs) for identifying transactions on behalf of federal law enforcement.

“These materials included a document recommending the use of generic terms like ‘TRUMP’ and ‘MAGA’ to search Zelle payment messages as well as a ‘prior FinCEN analysis’ of ‘Lone Actor/Homegrown Violent Extremism Indicators. According to this analysis, FinCEN warned financial institutions of ‘extremism’ indicators that include ‘transportation charges, such as bus tickets, rental cars, or plane tickets, for travel to areas with no apparent purpose,’ or ‘the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views,’” Mr. Jordan wrote.

He added, “In other words, FinCEN urged large financial institutions to comb through the private transactions of their customers for suspicious charges on the basis of protected political and religious expression.”

 

I'd really like to know how this works, because when I purchase a book or bus ticket there generally isn't a line for to put in "Maga" or "Trump".  Where would these phrases be in the transactions of a Cabella's or Dicks Sporting goods?

This entire things sounds like more BS from Jordan. 

[Horseman 2,449]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Slippery slope and all. Make things public and let the laws figure it out.

Generally speaking if someone gets busted for breaking laws based on tools they have for investigating then I don’t really follow sorry for them. 

 

Anyone else shocked that the village idiot welcomes 1984?

[weepaws 3,191]

47 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Oh boy. I'm sure that makes his day. 

What

[thegeneral 3,207]

Just now, Horseman said:

Anyone else shocked that the village idiot welcomes 1984.

Yeah it’s  exactly like 1984 shetbird. Don’t you have some Slovakian cable to heist?

[Fnord 2,262]

@RLLD

Thanks for starting a thread on this. I saw an article about it the other day (from a MSM source!) and was wondering when someone here would jump on it.

I share your concern. On the surface, it seems like a gross abuse of power and invasion of privacy. Unfortunately, since it's coming from Gym Jordan, I'm going to wait until more information comes out before I churn up the outrage. He's one of the few people on the short list of being as trustworthy as Trump, meaning I don't believe a single focking thing that comes out of his mouth until independently verified by someone that at least pretends not to be a partisan charlatan.

Also, Americans gave away their privacy at least two decades ago. While I mourn privacy's passing, there will be no putting that genie back in the bottle. 

 

[Stryker Ryker 188]

Just take a look at what the left cultists engage in. They’ve destroyed government buildings, torn down statues, attacked ppl in the street, attacked police & police cars, destroyed & burned down cities, gone on mass shooting sprees (last I think 10 mass shootings were from looney left), defended the shooter, called for the death of the president along with his supporters, etc. 

These are ACTUAL real life examples of what the left has done & continues to do. If anyone is a danger to this country & is a terrorist organization it would 100% be the radical left 

[nobody 2,667]

3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Hmmm, I shopped at Richard 's, Cabella's, Bass Pro Shop and REI this past year.  Maybe REI is  granola crunchy hairy-legged colorado chick enough to offset the others.

You may want to consider buying some wnba tickets or something to be safe.

[nobody 2,667]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I understand your point.   But that hints of "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"....and I am just not with that.   The government can fock off, they do not to get to mess with my stuff and life.  I also have nothing to hide, but fock them if they think they can be Soviet on me....

Its dark stuff, we should not give an inch on this.  We already let the soviet "politically correct" scheme pollute our politics....this slow movement toward that totalitarian place is discomforting.

I don't think he gets it.

You give the government free reign to start bucketing people this way, it's only a matter of time before they abuse that power.

The first level thinker, says, "I have nothing to hide!"

The multi-level thinker asks, "how can this be abused in the future if we allow it?"

I noticed most liberals seem to be first level thinkers.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

I don't think he gets it.

You give the government free reign to start bucketing people this way, it's only a matter of time before they abuse that power.

The first level thinker, says, "I have nothing to hide!"

The multi-level thinker asks, "how can this abused in the future if we allow it?"

I noticed most liberals seem to be first level thinkers.

Perhaps.  He did allude to the Patriot Act, so I am inclined to believe he understands.

 When you relinquish your liberty to power.....you are not likely to get it back.....without bloodshed.....

[nobody 2,667]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'd really like to know how this works, because when I purchase a book or bus ticket there generally isn't a line for to put in "Maga" or "Trump".  Where would these phrases be in the transactions of a Cabella's or Dicks Sporting goods?

This entire things sounds like more BS from Jordan. 

This is similar to the Cambridge analytics scandal. 

You can profile people's political leanings by analyzing their spending patterns.  It's how Facebook targets ads.  It's a similar concept.  If known maga guy buys on average 3 firearms and x amount of ammo and a bible, you can look for people with that spending profile to classify other likely maga guys.

The question though is why would they do this?  I'm not sure the correlation between maga/Trump and terrorism is all that strong.  I mean even if you want to classify J6 in the most extreme way possible, is it worth allowing our government to surveil folks that have different political leanings as a proportionate response?

[Stryker Ryker 188]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

This is similar to the Cambridge analytics scandal. 

You can profile people's political leanings by analyzing their spending patterns.  It's how Facebook targets ads.  It's a similar concept.  If known maga guy buys on average 3 firearms and x amount of ammo and a bible, you can look for people with that spending profile to classify other likely maga guys.

The question though is why would they do this?  I'm not sure the correlation between maga/Trump and terrorism is all that strong.  I mean even if you want to classify J6 in the most extreme way possible, is it worth allowing our government to surveil folks that have different political leanings as a proportionate response?

Facebook also categorizes you by your political views. I forgot where you go on Facebook to find out how they’ve labeled you but I remember looking a few years ago & I was labeled “mostly conservative”. How they got that info I’m not sure. But I’m guessing it has something to do with an algorithm monitoring your posts