naomi 343 Posted January 29 I watched the latter part of the Niners game a couple weeks back and had this weird sense that it might be fixed. (Not a sour grapes thing as I'm from Nor Cal). The thing is I know almost zero about football and rarely watch it. So I'd be a very poor person to discern fixed play from organic. I'm curious if older geeks (55+) who've watched the NFL for eons have ever had that thought re: the current NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 I was say a sure yes but % I don't know. To me it's more of the Prime Time games when more $ is involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 29 No. I’d they were the Jets and Giants or Cowboys would be in the Super Bowl. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Bert said: No. I’d they were the Jets and Giants or Cowboys would be in the Super Bowl. nothing to do with ratings, has to do with the mob/vegas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 Just now, edjr said: nothing to do with ratings, has to do with the mob/vegas Yep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, edjr said: nothing to do with ratings, has to do with the mob/vegas That’s fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 1,414 Posted January 29 The number one seed and the team with the best QB in the league by a mile both win. NO WAY! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 Refs definitely fix games. Watch the ending of Pittsburgh/Chargers in 2008. The refs were making bad calls against the steelers all game, but the chargers kept shooting themselves in the foot. On the final play, the chargers tried to lateral, and the Steelers picked it up and ran it in for a TD that was meaningless to the game, but covered the spread. Ref calls for a review, and says the chargers had an illegal forward pass on lateral which obviously wasn't and overturned the TD. Everyone was completely confused... Coaches, announcers, everyone. The fix couldn't have been more obvious. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/fans-think-fix-was-in-for-chargers-steelers Let me be clear. I watched this game and was speculating it was fixed halfway through the second quarter. The calls all the way through were BS. Keep in mind too, the nba had a ref convicted of fixing games. I don't know why people think it couldn't happen in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 It's actually pretty easy to fix a game if you're a ref. People love to say, "you could call holding on every play" All a ref needs to do is call holding more against one team and less against another. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 And not only did the refs get the call wrong on the lateral. They said Pittsburgh couldn't decline the penalty which is obviously false. So they had to make a bad call after review. Then they had to make up a rule saying Pittsburgh couldn't decline it. Guaranteed that was fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 14 minutes ago, nobody said: Refs definitely fix games. Watch the ending of Pittsburgh/Chargers in 2008. The refs were making bad calls against the steelers all game, but the chargers kept shooting themselves in the foot. On the final play, the chargers tried to lateral, and the Steelers picked it up and ran it in for a TD that was meaningless to the game, but covered the spread. Ref calls for a review, and says the chargers had an illegal forward pass on lateral which obviously wasn't and overturned the TD. Everyone was completely confused... Coaches, announcers, everyone. The fix couldn't have been more obvious. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/fans-think-fix-was-in-for-chargers-steelers Let me be clear. I watched this game and was speculating it was fixed halfway through the second quarter. The calls all the way through were BS. Keep in mind too, the nba had a ref convicted of fixing games. I don't know why people think it couldn't happen in the NFL. Yep that is always the one I tell people to watch when they think no. I was surpised it was still on YT this season and thought the NFL would have got them to take it down. Some people still want to believe in Santa though and will still deny it when you show them proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted January 29 Hanlons Razor- never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted January 29 I knew as soon as Taylor swift started dating Kelce that the chiefs chances of making the Super Bowl went WAY up despite trash receiver play almost all year. as far as fixing, it has to be a close game. Then you can start calling or not calling holds and PIs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Hanlons Razor- never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. This! I use a similar version with auditors at work. Don't mistake incompetence with fraud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, Bert said: This! I use a similar version with auditors at work. Don't mistake incompetence with fraud. 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Hanlons Razor- never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. I thought it was Occam's Razor ? Now do we have some Spanish guy named Hanlons running around with a razor ? That can't be good for anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: I thought it was Occam's Razor ? Now do we have some Spanish guy named Hanlons running around with a razor ? That can't be good for anyone. They are different adages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,176 Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: I thought it was Occam's Razor ? Now do we have some Spanish guy named Hanlons running around with a razor ? That can't be good for anyone. The razor I worry about is Cornpop's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Hanlons Razor- never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. That game would have been like 4 sigmas of stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,918 Posted January 29 This is 100% proved here… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted January 29 2 hours ago, nobody said: Keep in mind too, the nba had a ref convicted of fixing games. I don't know why people think it couldn't happen in the NFL. True Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: True The movie about it was decent for being a B rate type. Yep and it's in all sports that gambling is involved most likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted January 29 I made a Kelce/Swift bet, ML KC to win. I knew the NFL couldn’t resist the PR that Taylor Swift brings to a whole new group of fans. $$$$ Edit: Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift share celebratory kiss as fans wonder if she'll show up to Super Bowl LVIII Swift ends her visit to Japan before Super Bowl LVIII kicks off https://www.foxnews.com/sports/travis-kelce-taylor-swift-share-celebratory-kiss-fans-wonder-shell-show-up-to-super-bowl-lviii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,383 Posted January 29 I wouldn’t doubt some shady stuff in some situations. The KC game, I thought was clean, sans a few calls. I don’t think there’s a way Vegas lets the “scripted” winning team close at +5 from +3. They could have just kept taking on Balt money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,237 Posted January 29 I hope there is a Taylor Cam during the game. Put it down in the corner so its on the screen for the whole game. When she opens her mouth. flip to the big picture and put the game down in the corner. That's big ratings right there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 816 Posted January 29 The chances of a fix happening in the four major sports is so close to zero it's not worth discussing. Most sports fixing occurs in low-level tennis, where players don't make squat, but have enormous expenses - travel, coach, fees, etc. They don't even have to bet against themselves - just who wins the first set, or breaks first serve. They've caught enough of them to document it's the problem. Low-level soccer has also caught a few over the years, usually with 3rd world players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 I don't know about close to 0. An NBA ref was doing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_betting_scandal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted January 29 What would you rather address, the fixing of games or the horrible officiating? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 816 Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, nobody said: I don't know about close to 0. An NBA ref was doing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_betting_scandal Donaghy didn't make calls that changed the outcome, and that's per FBI and NBA investigations. He used insider knowledge about officials and league policies to make bets. The one thing that did come out was the NBA themselves may have indirectly rigged games: Donaghy alleged that several series in the NBA Playoffs had been improperly refereed according to the NBA's instructions. He alluded specifically to a playoff game where "personal fouls were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees because it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series." However, the FBI investigated that and found no evidence to support it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 He actually said he influenced games by up to 6 points. The whole insider knowledge thing doesn't get you arrested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 686 Posted January 29 Remember, if a player fumbles, drops a ball, throws a bad INT, misses a block or misses a sack, or if a ref misses calling a penalty, the game is scripted. Humans are infallible, so if there are mistakes, It's all part of the script that they rehearse during the week. They don't practice the game of football. They just practice the script. And their opponent practices the same script. And then when they play, since they practiced the script so hard, it just all comes together. Figure a movie with a handful of characters takes a year to make start to finish. But an NFL game, with 22 players on the field at once, they can get that script completed 3 days. Very few people are willing to face reality. If things don't go their way, well..."scripted". It can't be that the other team was better. No way no how. I did some math. Every NFL team would be undefeated if not screwed over by the refs or if the game wasn't scripted. Crazy. 32 teams all 17-0! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 I remember when I was 10 or 11 and my dad had a bookie and he would let me bet on games. I would bet on MNF and would take a team and the over and under.This one MNF game I need a garbage TD with around 2 minutes left, the team I needed the td from runs the football and the rb is 10 yards out of bounds and not tackled. Clock keeps going and announcers don't mention why the clock is still running and needless to say I didn't get the garbage td at the end. Ever since then I knew there was shady stuff going on that had to do with the spreads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted January 29 3 hours ago, GobbleDog said: The chances of a fix happening in the four major sports is so close to zero it's not worth discussing. Most sports fixing occurs in low-level tennis, where players don't make squat, but have enormous expenses - travel, coach, fees, etc. They don't even have to bet against themselves - just who wins the first set, or breaks first serve. They've caught enough of them to document it's the problem. Low-level soccer has also caught a few over the years, usually with 3rd world players. so based on this, you really don't think there might be players in the NBA that purposely stay under their point or rebound total while still trying to win?, or NFL reception total or yards total? MLB pitcher strikeout totals etc etc etc? I mean it's less of a chance than at lower level athletics but it would be fairly easy to do. I don't think most games are fixed or scripted but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the machine that is the NFL has influence over close games to get certain teams the win if it improves ratings. NFL greed knows no end. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: so based on this, you really don't think there might be players in the NBA that purposely stay under their point or rebound total while still trying to win?, or NFL reception total or yards total? MLB pitcher strikeout totals etc etc etc? I mean it's less of a chance than at lower level athletics but it would be fairly easy to do. I don't think most games are fixed or scripted but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the machine that is the NFL has influence over close games to get certain teams the win if it improves ratings. NFL greed knows no end. Heck since I been doing NBA props you see a player needing 26.5 points for the over and coach pulls him at 26 points with 8 minutes to go and they never get back in the game. Happens in the NFl to with player props. Like yesterday I had Watson from KC that need 16.5 total for over. He gets 1 catch early and of course it is 16 yards and he doesn't get that extra yard the rest of the game. Just a little odd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 816 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said: it wouldn't surprise me at all if the machine that is the NFL has influence over close games to get certain teams the win if it improves ratings. NFL greed knows no end. I'd be totally shocked. Considering how much they profit doing it legit, and risking losing it all for what amounts to pennies, not to mention prison. Same for the players. The biggest sports gambling expert in the world is Billy Walters and if he says it ain't fixed, it ain't fixed. Low-level tennis, definitely. Low-level college ball, maybe. The four major sports, no way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, GobbleDog said: I'd be totally shocked. Considering how much they profit doing it legit, and risking losing it all for what amounts to pennies, not to mention prison. Same for the players. The biggest sports gambling expert in the world is Billy Walters and if he says it ain't fixed, it ain't fixed. Low-level tennis, definitely. Low-level college ball, maybe. The four major sports, no way. some examples you gave for low level tennis don't really amount to something more than an NBA player making sure he doesn't go over 30 points in a game. I kind of think you have to be naive to think NBA players, for example, are not having others bet on their behalf on an outcome they can decide themselves and it doesn't even need to impact the game. NFL greed is everywhere. From who get to air the games, the sponsorship rights, to their push overseas. I'm not saying I think the NFL is fixed or truly scripted but there are certain close games where It would not shock me one bit if there was outside influence to push a certain matchup or storyline. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,918 Posted January 29 I don’t believe they fix it for the money or for them. They do what the the higher ups tell them to for them and their owners. Ive seen numerous calls or no calls that make me believe the shield tells them what to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,043 Posted January 29 This is a bizarre conversation. An NBA ref went to jail for fixing games, and people are saying there is no way games are fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,333 Posted January 30 50 minutes ago, nobody said: This is a bizarre conversation. An NBA ref went to jail for fixing games, and people are saying there is no way games are fixed. I said people still want to believe in Santa no matter if proof proves other wise Some of the teams like the Giants and Steelers was founded on shady horse racing gambling. The Giants owner gave Art Rooney a tip on a horse race where Art won a ton and enough to buy the Steelers. Probably some huge trifecta long shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites