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Just now, cyclone24 said:

Perfect example. Bigfoot. It gets passed down generation after generation that this thing exists yet nobody ever seems to see one or prove that they exist. My exact point.

No cause many do see one and my point ,just no evidence of a dead one.

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1 hour ago, peenie said:

No, there isn’t a hell or a God for that matter.

You don't know this. 

Imagine all that is known as a circle.

What you know represents a microscopic line inside that circle, as is what you know that you don't know, like how a vehicle's transmission works or what goes into creating whatever it is you're sitting on right now. Look around, and tell us that you know everything about everything within your vision field, such as complete understanding of everything inside your television or where and how your furniture is made. Yes, that's a microscopic line as well.

What composes 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+ of the rest of the circle is what you don't know what you don't know.

Humanity has witnessed thousands of years of events in similar details by Jews, Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths, and all of it points to a higher power our very limited brains most likely cannot comprehend.

There could be civilizations out there that are billions of years more advanced than we are.

So it boils down to faith, and I have solid faith that there is a higher power and that heaven and hell exist, only we're too intellectually limited to wrap our minds around it.

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2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You don't know this. 

Imagine all that is known as a circle.

What you know represents a microscopic line inside that circle, as is what you know that you don't know, like how a vehicle's transmission works or what goes into creating whatever it is you're sitting on right now. Look around, and tell us that you know everything about everything within your vision field, such as complete understanding of everything inside your television or where and how your furniture is made. Yes, that's a microscopic line as well.

What composes 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+ of the rest of the circle is what you don't know what you don't know.

Humanity has witnessed thousands of years of events in similar details by Jews, Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths, and all of it points to a higher power our very limited brains most likely cannot comprehend.

There could be civilizations out there that are billions of years more advanced than we are.

So it boils down to faith, and I have solid faith that there is a higher power and that heaven and hell exist, only we're too intellectually limited to wrap our minds around it.

So for this child, she experienced hell...

 

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2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You don't know this. 

Imagine all that is known as a circle.

What you know represents a microscopic line inside that circle, as is what you know that you don't know, like how a vehicle's transmission works or what goes into creating whatever it is you're sitting on right now. Look around, and tell us that you know everything about everything within your vision field, such as complete understanding of everything inside your television or where and how your furniture is made. Yes, that's a microscopic line as well.

What composes 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+ of the rest of the circle is what you don't know what you don't know.

Humanity has witnessed thousands of years of events in similar details by Jews, Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths, and all of it points to a higher power our very limited brains most likely cannot comprehend.

There could be civilizations out there that are billions of years more advanced than we are.

So it boils down to faith, and I have solid faith that there is a higher power and that heaven and hell exist, only we're too intellectually limited to wrap our minds around it.

Like I said before, you’re using the unknown as your evidence to a god, you tribute things we can’t comprehend to the proof of a God when that’s not actual proof. 
 

i’m not going to say religious people are insane, but there’s definitely something if you build your entire life around this promise of an afterlife, and then when asked to simply prove that there is some sort of afterlife or you see all your dead relatives or whatever the hell it is nobody can ever do it. I think that’s pretty focking bizarre. 

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2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

It's a quality duality of life view on how to live. Moral vs. amoral...love vs. hate...right vs. wrong... How else are we supposed to view life?:dunno:

In non absolutes 

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1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

Give me one piece of ACTUAL evidence of a heaven or hell without using the bible. 

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

–   Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

 

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Just now, Baker Boy said:

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

–   Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

 

Yeah, tell that to the gay community that religion has persecuted for decades after decades. Tell that to both sides of the Israel Palestine conflict. Do you want me to go on? 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

In non absolutes 

terrible take. Tell us how you don't live in duality. 

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1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

Like I said before, you’re using the unknown as your evidence to a god, you tribute things we can’t comprehend to the proof of a God when that’s not actual proof. 
 

i’m not going to say religious people are insane, but there’s definitely something if you build your entire life around this promise of an afterlife, and then when asked to simply prove that there is some sort of afterlife or you see all your dead relatives or whatever the hell it is nobody can ever do it. I think that’s pretty focking bizarre. 

Aha! ☝️

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8 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

Not insane. But I think this gets ingrained in children at young age and they just follow what their parents do in the same way that if you put a golf club in a kids hand and said this is the greatest thing ever their entire life odds are they’re going to believe that GOLF is the greatest thing ever, and they will devote their life to it. 

I see it all the time during Bible camp. Parents throw their kids into it and then they rant and rave about how what a great time they had, and how they believe and all this nonsense. Well, of course they do. You didn’t expose them to anything other than what you are already thought. 
 

But you can't explain how these kids knew about past lives down to personal details. How is that possible. These are people from different lineages than their own.

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9 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, tell that to the gay community that religion has persecuted for decades after decades. Tell that to both sides of the Israel Palestine conflict. Do you want me to go on? 

It doesn’t make the quote less true.  Right?

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11 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

Give me one piece of ACTUAL evidence of a heaven or hell without using the bible. 

Getting kidnapped by Hamas or phillybear.

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1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

It doesn’t make the quote less true.  Right?

Considering religion was used to make, or prevent them from equality and socially outcast. Yeah, I would say it did. 
You really have to suspend belief ironically to think well I’m not hurting anybody because I believe in my religion.

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3 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

But you can't explain how these kids knew about past lives down to personal details. How is that possible. These are people from different lineages than their own.

The same way people go in for brain surgery and then all of a sudden they can speak French. 
When I hear a story like that, I don’t attribute that to. Oh well there you go that’s the existence of God. 
my guess is near death, or just messing with the brain at all things start short-circuiting. We don’t know if people that actually died how many saw not one thing.

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Yes, it's called being a Cowboys fan in the Jerrah Jones Era. 

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:lol:   yes there are ghouls, goblins and angels down there too!

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Hey, look like I’ve always said if it makes a crappy person become a good person. Great. It gets you through struggles you’ve got going on. Great. You can believe in whatever you want. I just think it’s really interesting. You ask religious folks, some of the most basic questions that I would think if you Formed your entire life around this idea of an afterlife, and God, you would be able to explain, but they never can.  
 

 

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11 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You don't know this. 

Imagine all that is known as a circle.

What you know represents a microscopic line inside that circle, as is what you know that you don't know, like how a vehicle's transmission works or what goes into creating whatever it is you're sitting on right now. Look around, and tell us that you know everything about everything within your vision field, such as complete understanding of everything inside your television or where and how your furniture is made. Yes, that's a microscopic line as well.

What composes 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+ of the rest of the circle is what you don't know what you don't know.

Humanity has witnessed thousands of years of events in similar details by Jews, Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths, and all of it points to a higher power our very limited brains most likely cannot comprehend.

There could be civilizations out there that are billions of years more advanced than we are.

So it boils down to faith, and I have solid faith that there is a higher power and that heaven and hell exist, only we're too intellectually limited to wrap our minds around it.

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HFS.  Sounds like you are trying to explain how a retarded brain works. 

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38 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Hey, look like I’ve always said if it makes a crappy person become a good person. Great. It gets you through struggles you’ve got going on. Great. You can believe in whatever you want. I just think it’s really interesting. You ask religious folks, some of the most basic questions that I would think if you Formed your entire life around this idea of an afterlife, and God, you would be able to explain, but they never can.  
 

 

I think an interesting analogy is gravity.  Gravity is a theory, not a law or fact:

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It is “still a theory” because, even though gravity itself is obviously a thing, our ideas about why it is a thing and how it works are merely the best explanations we currently have given the data we currently have.

The greatest minds have to date failed to fit gravity into our understanding of how things work:

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Later, Einstein and others attempted to construct a unified field theory in which electromagnetism and gravity would emerge as different aspects of a single fundamental field. They failed, and to this day gravity remains beyond attempts at a unified field theory.

So we can observe gravity, but we really don't know how or why it works.  But we see its results, and we label it "gravity."  You personally would never doubt gravity, because you experience it every day.

Many, including some in this thread, have seen first hand how God works.  Others have faith that the great minds before them have experienced God.

None of this addresses the existence of Hell specifically, but rather the existence of God in general.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I think an interesting analogy is gravity.  Gravity is a theory, not a law or fact:

The greatest minds have to date failed to fit gravity into our understanding of how things work:

So we can observe gravity, but we really don't know how or why it works.  But we see its results, and we label it "gravity."  You personally would never doubt gravity, because you experience it every day.

Many, including some in this thread, have seen first hand how God works.  Others have faith that the great minds before them have experienced God.

None of this addresses the existence of Hell specifically, but rather the existence of God in general.

But you’re taking one thing and saying well we can’t explain that therefore, the thing I cant explain is proof of god.

i’ve not seen one person in this thread give any personal or other proof of God. They’ve given some unexplainable things that they attribute to it but that’s not proof by any means

 

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14 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Also I'm just googling this.  There are more.  :dunno: 

He has to be referencing only the Hebrew bible, the old testament, otherwise it doesn't make any sense.   

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49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I think an interesting analogy is gravity.  Gravity is a theory, not a law or fact:

The greatest minds have to date failed to fit gravity into our understanding of how things work:

So we can observe gravity, but we really don't know how or why it works.  But we see its results, and we label it "gravity."  You personally would never doubt gravity, because you experience it every day.

Many, including some in this thread, have seen first hand how God works.  Others have faith that the great minds before them have experienced God.

None of this addresses the existence of Hell specifically, but rather the existence of God in general.

I agree we haven't learned to harness gravitational energy yet, like we have others, but as you said we observe the effects of gravity every day.  The constants we have make it very predictable, especially from a human earth perspective.  If you drop a rock, or a penny, it always falls to the ground and always accelerates at the same rate.  Again, it's predictable and it's effects are known.

You can't say that about any sort of effects made by God, or at least I am not aware of any.  You show me a first hand account of how God works and I will show you an opposite and equally UNPREDICTABLE outcome.   That is if I can't explain it away completely with the known scientific theories.  From a purely scientific perspective there isn't any evidence whatsoever of God, unlike there is for gravity.  In a scientific sense, it's a very poor comparison.  

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13 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

This is a tricky one. I have my own experience, which isn't going to provide any hard evidence.

My biggest piece of hard evidence is this: Go look for all of the research on Children who remember past lives. There shouldn't be a single instance of a child remembering a past life of someone who died already. Yet there are thousands of these stories.

How does this prove that God exists? Well, it depends on how you define God. God, from what I understand, isn't some separate entity. It's the source of all energy in the universe. It ties everything together. I believe that when people die, their consciousness remains and ascends to a higher dimension from our dimension, the third dimension. There are lots of stories around this with near death experiences.

I understand being skeptical of these stories, but it's either every person who has a story like this is lying or is insane. Having been the skeptic, but then having an experience myself, there's no way all of these stories are bunk.

They call it a testimony.  Your personal account of your experience and how you know god exists.  Your best bet at convincing anyone is to share that.  That's what priests, pastors, rabbi, clerics and missionaries do.  Short of that, go ahead and provide specific accounts of these children that remember past lives.  Note: You might need to provide some context because reincarnation is a Hindu construct, not typically Christian or Jewish (since you referenced the bible earlier).  Are you trying to say they were watching from heaven before they were born or something?

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20 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I agree we haven't learned to harness gravitational energy yet, like we have others, but as you said we observe the effects of gravity every day.  The constants we have make it very predictable, especially from a human earth perspective.  If you drop a rock, or a penny, it always falls to the ground and always accelerates at the same rate.  Again, it's predictable and it's effects are known.

You can't say that about any sort of effects made by God, or at least I am not aware of any.  You show me a first hand account of how God works and I will show you an opposite and equally UNPREDICTABLE outcome.   That is if I can't explain it away completely with the known scientific theories.  From a purely scientific perspective there isn't any evidence whatsoever of God, unlike there is for gravity.  In a scientific sense, it's a very poor comparison.  

Regarding the existence of a creator:  I'm looking at an ash tree blooming in my yard right now.  Some might look at that and see the existence of God.  Others, I presume yourself, would say "aha, that's not God, we understand how photosynthesis works!"  Yet others may look at the process of photosynthesis and see in it the existence of God.  And we can continue to dig down into molecular, atomic, quantum and wave levels, each with increasing knowledge.  But none of that addresses... how is it all here?  and perhaps, why is it all here?  Let's give the answer to those questions a word: God.  

I'll start with that.

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Regarding the existence of a creator:  I'm looking at an ash tree blooming in my yard right now.  Some might look at that and see the existence of God.  Others, I presume yourself, would say "aha, that's not God, we understand how photosynthesis works!"  Yet others may look at the process of photosynthesis and see in it the existence of God.  And we can continue to dig down into molecular, atomic, quantum and wave levels, each with increasing knowledge.  But none of that addresses... how is it all here?  and perhaps, why is it all here?  Let's give the answer to those questions a word: God.  

I'll start with that.

Lets go back to the big bang. Everything from nothing. Science says they can explain the Universe. If you give them that one miracle.

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Regarding the existence of a creator:  I'm looking at an ash tree blooming in my yard right now.  Some might look at that and see the existence of God.  Others, I presume yourself, would say "aha, that's not God, we understand how photosynthesis works!"  Yet others may look at the process of photosynthesis and see in it the existence of God.  And we can continue to dig down into molecular, atomic, quantum and wave levels, each with increasing knowledge.  But none of that addresses... how is it all here?  and perhaps, why is it all here?  Let's give the answer to those questions a word: God.  

I'll start with that.

Ah intelligent design.  It's so beautiful and complex it has to have been designed by a supernatural being.  If you make that some sort of rule in your quest to prove the existence of god you run into the exact same objection of it happening by chance.  But statistically it's worse because it doubles the problem when you apply the same rule to the creator.  If something so beautiful and complex implies a creator, who created the creator?  You've just halved it's likely probability in perpetuity. 

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8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Ah intelligent design.  It's so beautiful and complex it has to have been designed by a supernatural being.  If you make that some sort of rule in your quest to prove the existence of god you run into the exact same objection of it happening by chance.  But statistically it's worse because it doubles the problem when you apply the same rule to the creator.  If something so beautiful and complex implies a creator, who created the creator?  You've just halved it's likely probability in perpetuity. 

 

18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Lets go back to the big bang. Everything from nothing. Science says they can explain the Universe. If you give them that one miracle.

And of course natural selection and evolution do a very good job of explaining everything from single cell organisms up to the complex structure of a blooming ash tree.  All without the help from a creator.  What makes you think a creator needed to step in right in the beginning? 

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7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Ah intelligent design.  It's so beautiful and complex it has to have been designed by a supernatural being.  If you make that some sort of rule in your quest to prove the existence of god you run into the exact same objection of it happening by chance.  But statistically it's worse because it doubles the problem when you apply the same rule to the creator.  If something so beautiful and complex implies a creator, who created the creator?  You've just halved it's likely probability in perpetuity. 

Exactly. If they can’t explain it, they just say well….That’s God‘s creation and we can’t understand all that he does. It’s crazy.

So far, I don’t know how many pages in we are, but nobody has provided one shred of any evidence of a god a hell and afterlife anything. I asked if Jesus died and came back is he still alive or did he die again? And again nobody can answer that. It’s just a weird thing to form your entire life around that you can’t explain very basic concepts to people.

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3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. If they can’t explain it, they just say well….That’s God‘s creation and we can’t understand all that he does. It’s crazy.

So far, I don’t know how many pages in we are, but nobody has provided one shred of any evidence of a god a hell and afterlife anything. I asked if Jesus died and came back is he still alive or did he die again? And again nobody can answer that. It’s just a weird thing to form your entire life around that you can’t explain very basic concepts to people.

If you believe the big bang is true. Then you believe in God. There's your evidence

Jesus died and came back then went to heaven. There I answered that

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11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

And of course natural selection and evolution do a very good job of explaining everything from single cell organisms up to the complex structure of a blooming ash tree.  All without the help from a creator.  What makes you think a creator needed to step in right in the beginning? 

Because everything cannot come from nothing. That's what you're telling me. There was nothing and then we had everything. I never said anything about natural selection or evolution. 

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1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

If you believe the big bang is true. Then you believe in God. There's your evidence

Jesus died and came back then went to heaven. There I answered that

Lol umm wow.

please provide your evidence that a God created Big Bang. 
 

So walk me through that. He dies, and then miraculously with holes in his hands and feet move to stone, walked around for a weekend, and then just ascended into heaven. Did he die again then? Or did he just learn how to fly? It’s so weird. 

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8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. If they can’t explain it, they just say well….That’s God‘s creation and we can’t understand all that he does. It’s crazy.

So far, I don’t know how many pages in we are, but nobody has provided one shred of any evidence of a god a hell and afterlife anything. I asked if Jesus died and came back is he still alive or did he die again? And again nobody can answer that. It’s just a weird thing to form your entire life around that you can’t explain very basic concepts to people.

I'm just glad we've made it all the way to the big bang.

Think about it, we went from worshiping the sun, to the sun being the center of the universe, to our solar system being a very tiny spot in one galaxy out of trillions that all started at a singular point in the universe. 

We've went from Huitzilopochtli all the way to a single miracle that must be god.  At least we've defined 99.99% of everything we know without requiring the supernatural.  

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10 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Lol umm wow.

please provide your evidence that a God created Big Bang. 
 

So walk me through that. He dies, and then miraculously with holes in his hands and feet move to stone, walked around for a weekend, and then just ascended into heaven. Did he die again then? Or did he just learn how to fly? It’s so weird. 

You need a miracle for the big bang to happen. Science tells you that. You can't have something from nothing.

 

The Jews had the Romans Jesus killed

While dead he saved spirits who were not in heaven. This was another chance for those who separated themselves from God to go to Heaven.

After 3 days he came back and gave instructions to his disciples

Then he took the quick elevator back to heaven... learn to fly?

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