BufordT 431 Posted May 29, 2024 Negro League stats have officially been combined with MLB stats resulting in some major changes to the record book. Josh Gibson is now considered the all time Batting Average leader moving Ty Cobb to the second highest Batting Average of all time. There's many other changes. https://www.mlb.com/news/faq-negro-leagues-stats-major-league-record Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,673 Posted May 29, 2024 Saw this yesterday... I am not sure how to react to this yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 431 Posted May 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Meh..... This post won't earn you many reputation points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 431 Posted May 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, posty said: Saw this yesterday... I am not sure how to react to this yet... Me neither except I believe the Negro League's talent level was every bit as good as MLB and probably better. Also, MLB sports trivia just became very confusing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,673 Posted May 29, 2024 Just now, BufordT said: Me neither except I believe the Negro League's talent level was every bit as good as MLB and probably better. Also, MLB sports trivia just became very confusing. That is true for sure about trivia... The talent was probably just as good, but the overall was probably not as good... I mean, look at Gibson's career stats: 653 games played and only 11 career strikeouts? That just doesn't seem logical or possible... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,250 Posted May 29, 2024 7 minutes ago, posty said: That is true for sure about trivia... The talent was probably just as good, but the overall was probably not as good... I mean, look at Gibson's career stats: 653 games played and only 11 career strikeouts? That just doesn't seem logical or possible... I probably would have passed on combing them. Too many variables, particularly record keeping. Also, Baseball and Landis shouldn't get to combine them and try to smear the stain that was segregation. There is no band-aid that allows you to pretend that it didn't happen. Own it and do what everyone else does when they screw up---work to be better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,913 Posted May 29, 2024 I personally think their stats should count as 2/3 of MLB players. That’s right. That’s a slavery joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,673 Posted May 29, 2024 Just now, cyclone24 said: I personally think their stats should count as 2/3 of MLB players. That’s right. That’s a slavery joke. Three-fifths.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,800 Posted May 29, 2024 May as well count minor league stats as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,393 Posted May 29, 2024 In the grand scheme...Who the F cares? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,167 Posted May 29, 2024 Does Pete Rose still hold the record for the most hits, but still not in the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,023 Posted May 29, 2024 What does BWJ need to do to surpass Honus Wagner as the greatest shortstop of all time? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,913 Posted May 29, 2024 23 minutes ago, posty said: Three-fifths.. Sonofabitch you’re right….messed up a mid joke. SMH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,250 Posted May 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, weepaws said: Does Pete Rose still hold the record for the most hits, but still not in the HOF. Only until they incorporate the Japanese League records. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,673 Posted May 29, 2024 Just now, cyclone24 said: Sonofabitch you’re right….messed up a mid joke. SMH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted May 29, 2024 2 hours ago, BufordT said: Negro League stats have officially been combined with MLB stats resulting in some major changes to the record book. Josh Gibson is now considered the all time Batting Average leader moving Ty Cobb to the second highest Batting Average of all time. There's many other changes. https://www.mlb.com/news/faq-negro-leagues-stats-major-league-record Kind of stupid. Even in today's MLB the best pitchers are non black players. There has been what, one great/very good black pitcher in the last 40 years (Gooden)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,279 Posted May 29, 2024 Records have been in tatters for years what with designated hitters, live ball era, and steroids. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 715 Posted May 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: Also, Baseball and Landis shouldn't get to combine them and try to smear the stain that was segregation. There is no band-aid that allows you to pretend that it didn't happen. Own it and do what everyone else does when they screw up---work to be better. This is my take. I personally am fine combining the records. But I can see MLB using this as a way to hide the past from future fans. That I would truly be upset about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,293 Posted May 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: Only until they incorporate the Japanese League records. There's more to me than you'll ever know And I've got more hits than Sadaharu Oh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,314 Posted May 30, 2024 It’s absolutely stupid. They kept score themselves in unofficial games. You know like my Sunday league. When in doubt. It’s a hit. these stats are the equivalent of 1880s mlb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted May 30, 2024 4 hours ago, Drizzay said: This is my take. I personally am fine combining the records. But I can see MLB using this as a way to hide the past from future fans. That I would truly be upset about. I am Omar racist elected by the people of Minnestoa and i completely agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted May 30, 2024 Dumb. But no one gives a fock anymore. Cant complain about it being “whitewashing” either, as that word has been canceled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 387 Posted May 30, 2024 7 hours ago, Bert said: Kind of stupid. Even in today's MLB the best pitchers are non black players. There has been what, one great/very good black pitcher in the last 40 years (Gooden)? Gooden was awesome and let drugs ruin him. The main one that jumped to mind for me was Bob Gibson. Josh Gibson deserves the HOF honor he has, but we can't rewrite history to put those players in MLB and know what would have happened. MLB wants to expand their appeal to the black community and has for years. I don't think this will matter and people will view those records with asterisks or still differentiate between the two. I'm trying to think of the top black SP prospects from the recent past. David Price, Dewon Brazleton, CC Sabathia, Brien Taylor came to mind. Taylor ruined his arm in a bar fight, Brazleton never panned out, Price was good for awhile, Sabathia had a nice career. What's funny is top 10 black SP prospects from the past 35 years or so would have to include Pat Mahomes. He was ranked the top RHP prospect in baseball by a few publications in 1991 I think it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 715 Posted May 30, 2024 Don't forget the D-Train! He was a thing for a while. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,886 Posted May 30, 2024 18 hours ago, Engorgeous George said: Records have been in tatters for years what with designated hitters, live ball era, and steroids. I always say the baseball fields themselves make records especially HR records meaningless. Unlike other sports, baseball fields aren't uniform outside the infield. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,279 Posted May 30, 2024 2 hours ago, Cdub100 said: I always say the baseball fields themselves make records especially HR records meaningless. Unlike other sports, baseball fields aren't uniform outside the infield. Well the Green monster is a joke. How that can be a major league park is beyond comprehension. Also some hitters get short porches like in Yankee Stadium and some play in massive pastures so yes, I agree with you there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 387 Posted May 31, 2024 12 hours ago, Drizzay said: Don't forget the D-Train! He was a thing for a while. A hell of a hitter too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 387 Posted May 31, 2024 11 hours ago, Cdub100 said: I always say the baseball fields themselves make records especially HR records meaningless. Unlike other sports, baseball fields aren't uniform outside the infield. As good as Jeff Bagwell was, his numbers were drained so much by the Astrodome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted May 31, 2024 21 hours ago, Mark Davis said: Gooden was awesome and let drugs ruin him. The main one that jumped to mind for me was Bob Gibson. Josh Gibson deserves the HOF honor he has, but we can't rewrite history to put those players in MLB and know what would have happened. MLB wants to expand their appeal to the black community and has for years. I don't think this will matter and people will view those records with asterisks or still differentiate between the two. I'm trying to think of the top black SP prospects from the recent past. David Price, Dewon Brazleton, CC Sabathia, Brien Taylor came to mind. Taylor ruined his arm in a bar fight, Brazleton never panned out, Price was good for awhile, Sabathia had a nice career. What's funny is top 10 black SP prospects from the past 35 years or so would have to include Pat Mahomes. He was ranked the top RHP prospect in baseball by a few publications in 1991 I think it was. In other words, very few really good black pitchers. Those negro league hitting stats would be waaaaay down if they had to face MLB pitching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites