OK cops detain man during early morning walk with his son

[Fireballer 2,642]

Feelings aside, good? Bad?

 

[seafoam1 3,031]

They didn't show the whole video so who knows? They didn't talk about any currently known crime in the area, or racial profiling for certain reasons, or anything of substance. 

Bad news story. Too many unknowns. Why did they even report that? It just stirs up quick reactions in people. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

No problem with the stop and inquiry. Looking out for a kid. After it had been established it was his kid it’s over, and that could have been done easily with a phone call. 

[weepaws 3,194]

Police bullies.  Feel real sorry for that mans son, nothing like seeing your dad tossed around like a rag doll for nothing.  I hope the man gets a lawyer and wins. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Thank God he wasn’t black.

[weepaws 3,194]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Thank God he wasn’t black.

Why? What would have happen? 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

33 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Why? What would have happen? 

People like @The Real timschochet would have insisted that the cop was being racist.  Rather than just being a poor cop.

[HellToupee 1,778]

3 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

People like @The Real timschochet would have insisted that the cop was being racist.  Rather than just being a poor cop.

Absolutely 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

What a piece of garbage the cop is there.

 

[Alias Detective 1,402]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

What a piece of garbage the cop is there.

 

What if child trafficking is rampant in that area?  Based on what is shown the cop is over the top but can we assume that is the whole story?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

What if child trafficking is rampant in that area?  Based on what is shown the cop is over the top but can we assume that is the whole story?

What if it was?  Do you believe child trafficking involves strolling down allys with the child unrestrained and then not avoiding contact with the police when they turn into the alley?  This is America, we are allowed to walk with our children in the quite of dawn before the heat and the noise of the 4th of July explodes.  We would be allowed to walk our dogs, go for a predawn run, or push our babies in strollers and that is not considered, as the Cop said, "supicious activity".  Apparently to that Cop not being sealed up in one's home with the doors locked and the shades drawn is suspuicious activity and of course if you were behind locked doors whith the shades drawn that Cop would ahve claimed tyhat is consistent with the activity at a meth den or crack house.

 

This Cop was way out of line.  He should be severely discioplined and retrained before being allowed to continue his career.  The Citizen should get a nice settlement from the City, nothing outlandish, but some settlement to address his civil rights being violated and his son being traumatized.

[League Champion 1,911]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

What a piece of garbage the cop is there.

 

Nothing to see here, another snowflake Liberal 

The Cop is well within his right to detain the individual pending his investigation. Happens all the time, get over it. 

[Baker Boy 1,699]

On 8/4/2024 at 7:21 AM, Sean Mooney said:

What a piece of garbage the cop is there.

 

What is he supposed to do with a man, walking down an alley with a child at dawn, and he refuses to show ID? 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 hours ago, League Champion said:

Nothing to see here, another snowflake Liberal 

The Cop is well within his right to detain the individual pending his investigation. Happens all the time, get over it. 

No, the Cop is not well within his rights.  There was no reasonable articulable suspicion of any illegal activity.  There was no investigation.  If the Cop thought the scene was worthy of further observation or consensual inquiry that's fine but demanding I.D. under the circumstance was not justified nor, was going hands on.  This was a case of a Cop not having been properly trained and not wanting to feel on equal terrms with a citizen when that is exactly what he was.  He was overly officious to try to establish authority and he was so as he was poorly trained. The Cop did not understand the situation. 

 

How the Cop should have handled it.

 

Cop:  Good morning citizens,! Out for a predawn walk?

Dad:  Yes we like to go for a walk when we wake up.

Cop:  Well be aware that we are out here, patrolling your neighbor, keeping things safe.  Say which house is yours?  We like to get to know the folks on our beat.

Dad:  The blue one, third house on the left.  

Cop:  Well if you ever need anything ask for me, I'm Officer Friendly, and you are...?

Dad:  Answers whatever his name happens to be.

Cop:  (Turning to and addresing child) And who do we have here?

Kid:  Answers whatever.

Cop: And is that your brother you are out walking with? 

Kid:  (laughing) No, that's my Dad.

Cop:  Well you two be safe and have a nice walk.  Say, do you want a stricker of a police badge, I have some in the car?

Kid:  Dad, can I.

Dad:  Sure:  Make sure you thank Officer Friendly.

 

Cop could easily have gotten his information consensually and in a manner both friendly and making a positive impact.  Instead he chose to be a deeck because he thinks that is being a Cop.  He is wrong.

 

 

[League Champion 1,911]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

What a piece of garbage the cop is there.

 

Our cities are burning.



[The Real timschochet 6,769]

15 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

People like @The Real timschochet would have insisted that the cop was being racist.  Rather than just being a poor cop.

I didn’t open this thread until now or I would have responded earlier. 

It depends on the details. 

[League Champion 1,911]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t open this thread until now or I would have responded earlier. 

It depends on the details. 

He refused to present an ID when asked. 

That's all you need to know. If you don't, it's resisting. It's so easy, just don't be dumb when dealing with Police. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He refused to present an ID when asked. 

That's all you need to know. If you don't, it's resisting. It's so easy, just don't be dumb when dealing with Police. 

He was out for a walk with his kid. Who carries their ID for this?

Col handled this terribly. He shouldn’t be fired for this alone but this is a red flag for this guy. Maybe he’s more suited for giving parking tickets and such.

[seafoam1 3,031]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He refused to present an ID when asked. 

That's all you need to know. If you don't, it's resisting. It's so easy, just don't be dumb when dealing with Police. 

And what's the point of yelling at the cops? 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He refused to present an ID when asked. 

That's all you need to know. If you don't, it's resisting. It's so easy, just don't be dumb when dealing with Police. 

Except that I don’t believe that everyone is treated the same by police in our society. 

Though it doesn’t apply to this situation, what @Patented Phil was referring to is my general belief that, in many instances, black people, and young black men in particular,  are treated differently and unfairly by police, leading to tragic outcomes like George Floyd. 

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

leading to tragic outcomes like George Floyd. 

More whites die in Police custody and it's not even close. So please take your Narratives elsewhere. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

Just now, League Champion said:

More whites die in Police custody and it's not even close. So please take your Narratives elsewhere. 

Well since black people only represent about 13% of the total population that would make sense wouldn’t it? Doesn’t change my perspective. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that I don’t believe that everyone is treated the same by police in our society. 

Though it doesn’t apply to this situation, what @Patented Phil was referring to is my general belief that, in many instances, black people, and young black men in particular,  are treated differently and unfairly by police, leading to tragic outcomes like George Floyd. 

Criminals should be treated differently by the cops. The world is a better place without Floyd. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that I don’t believe that everyone is treated the same by police in our society. 

Though it doesn’t apply to this situation, what @Patented Phil was referring to is my general belief that, in many instances, black people, and young black men in particular,  are treated differently and unfairly by police, leading to tragic outcomes like George Floyd. 

I agree black people are treated differently.  But unfairly?  That I don’t agree with.  Stereotypes exist for a reason.  Blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites.  They also resist arrest at a higher rate.  That’s just fact.  You may not like it, but as Ben Shapiro says, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well since black people only represent about 13% of the total population that would make sense wouldn’t it? Doesn’t change my perspective. 

Your perspective will never change when it comes to race, regardless of the facts.  You’re like a hypersensitive teenage girl - where your emotions completely overrule your brain.  You still believe the cops were guilty in the deaths of Freddie Gray and Michael Brown.  Thats why no one respects you on this Board.

[seafoam1 3,031]

8 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Your perspective will never change when it comes to race, regardless of the facts.  You’re like a hypersensitive teenage girl - where your emotions completely overrule your brain.  You still believe the cops were guilty in the deaths of Freddie Gray and Michael Brown.  Thats why no one respects you on this Board.

That's just one of the reasons why no one respects him. 

[easilyscan 925]

4 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

I agree black people are treated differently.  But unfairly?  That I don’t agree with.  Stereotypes exist for a reason.  Blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites.  They also resist arrest at a higher rate.  That’s just fact.  You may not like it, but as Ben Shapiro says, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

Be careful Phil, those on the other side don't like facts/figures. My last supervisor was ultraliberal. I quoted some facts similar to those.

"where did you get those figures, the KKK website ?"

Shortly after I texted him the source, the US Department of Justice.

He never brought it up again.   

[TimHauck 2,877]

4 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

I agree black people are treated differently.  But unfairly?  That I don’t agree with.  Stereotypes exist for a reason.  Blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites.  They also resist arrest at a higher rate.  That’s just fact.  You may not like it, but as Ben Shapiro says, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

So white privilege is real.  Got it.

[TimHauck 2,877]

6 hours ago, thegeneral said:

He was out for a walk with his kid. Who carries their ID for this?

Col handled this terribly. He shouldn’t be fired for this alone but this is a red flag for this guy. Maybe he’s more suited for giving parking tickets and such.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-watonga-police-officer-detained-man-walking-with-son-faces-more-complaints/61731514
 

That officer has a history of other complaints, including from his former colleagues, according to the sheriff. 

"The deputies that were underneath him, they had lost faith in him as their leader. Yeah, and so I demoted him back later," [the sheriff] said

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So white privilege is real.  Got it.

Call it whatever you want.  I call it human nature.  If blacks want to get profiled less by cops, stop committing so many crimes.  It’s really that simple.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

48 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Call it whatever you want.  I call it human nature.  If blacks want to get profiled less by cops, stop committing so many crimes.  It’s really that simple.

But you’re referring to them as a collective. “Stop committing so many crimes.” I thought conservatives believed in individualism. But it’s OK with you that a black individual who has never committed any crimes is treated differently by police, and profiled, because other people with the same skin color have committed crimes. You’re good with that. I’m not. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But you’re referring to them as a collective. 

And that would be the correct way to refer to them. And the same goes for white old fat male liberals who drive their wives into becoming drunks. Culture is culture. It has existed in many forms throughout the ages. Birds of a feather flock together. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

I like when soft white liberal men act as if they have a clue what goes on with black people and police. They think they never catch a break. It’s laughable to those that know. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But you’re referring to them as a collective. “Stop committing so many crimes.” I thought conservatives believed in individualism. But it’s OK with you that a black individual who has never committed any crimes is treated differently by police, and profiled, because other people with the same skin color have committed crimes. You’re good with that. I’m not. 

Wait, not long ago you said that MAGA is violent and gave a list of like 50 incidents over 4 years as "proof".  If 12.5 incidents a year are "proof" to make a collective judgement, then I think everyone (blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, democrats, and republicans), surpassed that requirement before January 7th this year.  So what he's saying isn't wrong.

[TimHauck 2,877]

11 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Call it whatever you want.  I call it human nature.  If blacks want to get profiled less by cops, stop committing so many crimes.  It’s really that simple.

Yeah, you pretty much just defined how blacks lack the privilege that whites have, thanks.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

29 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wait, not long ago you said that MAGA is violent and gave a list of like 50 incidents over 4 years as "proof".  If 12.5 incidents a year are "proof" to make a collective judgement, then I think everyone (blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, democrats, and republicans), surpassed that requirement before January 7th this year.  So what he's saying isn't wrong.

But I don’t believe that a guy wearing a MAGA hat should be treated differently by police or treated with extraordinary suspicion. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

But I don’t believe that a guy wearing a MAGA hat should be treated differently by police or treated with extraordinary suspicion. 

Yeah, right!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[MikeMatt 96]

Why are we ignoring the fact that the field reporter is effffing hot. Just saying 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But you’re referring to them as a collective.

Might be the most ironic statement in the history of this Board.

[porkbutt 893]

dude looks shady as hell on a "predawn walk" down an alley

i woulda tazed his ass straight away and asked questions later. and foster home for the little bastard that probably isn't even his if we're being real.