United Healthcare CEO shot, killed in midtown NYC

[peenie 1,896]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Instead of killing their CEO, I bought the stock. After I saw how good they were at milking money from folks, I figured I should try and get a piece.

Ironically and truth be told, I already have stock in them and I'm kind of pissed all of this happened because of how it will affect my stock.

Bet you all didn't see that coming... 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

34 minutes ago, peenie said:

I don't nor do I have Obamacare, I have healthcare provided by my employer. 

False, we all have Obamacare to some extent — I.e., can’t deny you for preexisting conditions 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

I have Blue Cross Blue Shield, it sucks, they all suck. 

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

6 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

So kinda but not really. Still, there’s some promise there

If the left took a harder stance on immigration and the homo stuff you'd win every election for the next 3 decades. 

If the right opened up to universal healthcare or education they'd win every election for the next 3 decades.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

They don’t provide health care. They shouldn’t be allowed to refer to themselves as such. 

[Strike 5,182]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

Here's the thing, prior to Obamacare, you couldn't get healthcare benefits if you entered a job pregnant or had a pre-existing disease.

This is factually incorrect.  In fact, getting a job with health insurance was one of the better ways for people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance.  Peenie uninformed and ignorant as usual.

[peenie 1,896]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is factually incorrect.  In fact, getting a job with health insurance was one of the better ways for people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance.  Peenie uninformed and ignorant as usual.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! 

[peenie 1,896]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDXJrB0Rv_l/?igsh=MWh6a3lsMW4wcXZnZw==

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

I have no clue. On that note, are we paying for the elderly who are going into rehab, nursing homes and then hospice? I know elderly people who go to the doctor constantly because they have great health benefits and it's sort of a social thing, a need to have someone care for them and it's so expensive, but free for them because of their former career. 

Is it free for them, or did they pay for it, deferred, through their former work?  If they did that is very different than giving free and essentially unlimited care to those who have earned nothing, who have produced nothing.

[nobody 2,557]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It’s not supposed to be based on date of service?

You would think, but Obama left that window open apparently.

[lickin_starfish 1,889]

It's cute that people think Government run healthcare would be cheaper.

[squistion 1,944]

2 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

It's cute that people think Government run healthcare would be cheaper.

Per a Google search, government run heath care in Canada is cheaper that in the US:

Is healthcare cheaper in Canada or the US? 

 

Frequently Asked Questions. Is healthcare more expensive in the United States or Canada? The healthcare system in the United States is more expensive than the healthcare system in Canada. Health expenditures in the United States average out at $12,914 per person, nearly double the $6,500 spent per person in Canada.May 11, 2021

[squistion 1,944]

NeoFolk-ie Jesse Welles on United Health (expressing the issues many folks have with this company, which I must add, in no way justfies the senseless and tragic murder of the CEO).

"There ain't no you in United Health, there ain't no me in the company, there ain't no us in the private trust, there's hardly humans in humanity."

Warning!   NSFW language:

 

[TimHauck 2,598]

33 minutes ago, squistion said:

NeoFolk-ie Jesse Welles on United Health (expressing the issues many folks have with this company, which I must add, in no way justfies the senseless and tragic murder of the CEO).

"There ain't no you in United Health, there ain't no me in the company, there ain't no us in the private trust, there's hardly humans in humanity."

Warning!   NSFW language:

 

I like this guy, seen his stuff before.  He’s basically a more serious Krispy Kreme/Froggy Fresh/Tyler Cassidy

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

6 hours ago, squistion said:

Frequently Asked Questions. Is healthcare more expensive in the United States or Canada? The healthcare system in the United States is more expensive than the healthcare system in Canada. Health expenditures in the United States average out at $12,914 per person, nearly double the $6,500 spent per person in Canada.May 11, 202

They also have to wait 3 months for an appointment and often cross the border to be treated by better doctors. 

What else ya got Squissy? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

Soooo, the new conspiracy is this kid isn’t the shooter? Love it. 

[TimHauck 2,598]

On 12/7/2024 at 5:24 PM, TimHauck said:

More believable than Jesus rising from the dead, right?

@Patented Phil, obviously now not looking like that’s what happened, but don’t you agree that the possibility that this was an orchestrated suicide is more believable than Jesus rising from the dead?

[TimHauck 2,598]

Mangione never had United Healthcare.  But of course did call them out in his “manifesto”

https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-news/luigi-mangione-accused-unitedhealthcare-ceo-killer-was-never-a-client-of-the-insurance-company-nypd-chief/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

[IGotWorms 4,057]

18 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Soooo, the new conspiracy is this kid isn’t the shooter? Love it. 

These conspiracies are mostly stupid. The government would have to prove he did it at trial. He will have a defense and that would most certainly include “he was set up” or “they got the wrong guy” if that was the case.

Now, if he were to be Lee Harvey Oswalded or if he were to “off himself” before trial, that would become suspicious for sure.

[RLLD 4,143]

I am wrestling with why this situation is getting so much coverage when people are being shot in the street every day. Like, ok, another instance of someone being shot on the street.....so what.....

[MDC 7,115]

Just now, RLLD said:

I am wrestling with why this situation is getting so much coverage when people are being shot in the street every day. Like, ok, another instance of someone being shot on the street.....so what.....

Because the vast majority of people who get shot on the street every day are poor urban folks. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Because the vast majority of people who get shot on the street every day are poor urban folks. 

Sadly, yeah this.....  

[MDC 7,115]

Just now, RLLD said:

Sadly, yeah this.....  

Same reason it gets more attention when a bitter shoots up a movie theater or festival. The people who watch news media imagine themselves randomly gunned down in a place where you’d expect to be safe. So we talk about that more, even though the lone gunman type is much harder to stop than day to day street violence. No one cares because those people don’t watch the new or vote.

[TimHauck 2,598]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am wrestling with why this situation is getting so much coverage when people are being shot in the street every day. Like, ok, another instance of someone being shot on the street.....so what.....

Well according to the manifesto, United Healthcare is the 5th largest company by market cap.  Don’t you think it would be a big deal if Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg were shot in the back in the middle of the street?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

27 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am wrestling with why this situation is getting so much coverage when people are being shot in the street every day. Like, ok, another instance of someone being shot on the street.....so what.....

Initially it was the pure brazenness of the crime, being pulled off in daylight hours in the middle of the most densely populated area in the entire country, and that the killer was not immediately apprehended. From there it somewhat morphed into a broader discussion about the health insurance industry. Most murders don’t have any of that.

Not really anything to “wrestle with” here

[Gepetto 1,286]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I am wrestling with why this situation is getting so much coverage when people are being shot in the street every day. Like, ok, another instance of someone being shot on the street.....so what.....

 

[TimHauck 2,598]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Initially it was the pure brazenness of the crime, being pulled off in daylight hours in the middle of the most densely populated area in the entire country, and that the killer was not immediately apprehended. From there it somewhat morphed into a broader discussion about the health insurance industry. Most murders don’t have any of that.

Not really anything to “wrestle with” here

And the victim being a CEO of one of the most valuable companies in the country…

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

Seems odd that a shooting like this hasn't sparked debates about gun reform.  I don't think it did after Trump was shot either. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

And the victim being a CEO of one of the most valuable companies in the country…

Yes that too although he wasn’t actually the CEO of the whole company, just a part of it. 

[edjr 6,578]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:21 PM, Strike said:

This is factually incorrect.  In fact, getting a job with health insurance was one of the better ways for people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance.  Peenie uninformed and ignorant as usual.

I started a job late June 2013, I told them my son was due in August. They gave me a full week off with pay, I was shocked. 

Now it is like 6 weeks.

[nobody 2,557]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Well according to the manifesto, United Healthcare is the 5th largest company by market cap.  Don’t you think it would be a big deal if Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg were shot in the back in the middle of the street?

Two of them aren't even CEOs anymore.  

It would get coverage because of the celebrity factor though.

[nobody 2,557]

I have no respect for CEOs like this guy.  They inherit a company other people built and just use their sociopathic nature to just milk money from people.  Worst kind of executive.

[jerryskids 6,550]

On 12/10/2024 at 8:18 AM, TimHauck said:

Definitely seems like his back injury/surgery made him go crazy, just not sure why it would be an insurance company’s fault if surgery it didn’t resolve his issue

 

On 12/10/2024 at 9:23 AM, IGotWorms said:

Jeez what kind of horrible back injury could a 26 year old rich boy get? Let me guess, surfing or something?

 

On 12/10/2024 at 11:56 AM, kutulu said:

Back pain? It was all in his head.

Almost definitely Sarno.  Most long-term back pain is.   

Also, looking at that picture that gave Worms a woody, there is no way he would have a body like that without working out.  How debilitating was it?

[nobody 2,557]

Dude was definitely nutzo.  How bad of a back injury would you have to have to be completely unable to bone?

Like, bro, people in wheelchairs and obese people have sex.

[Strike 5,182]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes that too although he wasn’t actually the CEO of the whole company, just a part of it. 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the shooter probably didn't know this.

[edjr 6,578]

er muh gawd! did you see his abs!?????  not guilty!!!

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

21 hours ago, MDC said:

Because the vast majority of people who get shot on the street every day are poor urban folks. 

Instead we have a new Liberal Hero.  

[TimHauck 2,598]

16 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes that too although he wasn’t actually the CEO of the whole company, just a part of it. 

Well looks like there are only 2 “parts” and UnitedHealthcare is the bigger of the 2

[TimHauck 2,598]

I dunno, I still think it would be pretty big news if the CEO’s of Whole Foods (owned by Amazon) or YouTube (owned by Google) were shot dead in the middle of New York, even though most people don’t know their name 

[jerryskids 6,550]

On a more serious note:  for those espousing universal health care, name a country of comparable population to ours which has a better universal health care system.  I thought so.

People like to use Norway as an example, let's compare:

- Population 5.5M, about 1/70th of ours

- Virtually all of the population lives along the ocean.  Basically, a series of medical facilities placed along the highway that runs that route covers almost everyone.  We are 2 dimensional, requiring a significantly more complex system.

- Norway's population is very homogeneous, whereas we have all ethnicities and their associated genetic issues.

- Obesity rate in Norway is 25%; here it is 45%

- Norway pays more in taxes

 

Bottom line is: it's a helluva lot more difficult than "Norway does it, why can't we?"