SaintsInDome2006 864 Posted 19 hours ago The NY Times blow by blow analysis. Y’all should watch this. It raises at least one good point. The agent who shoots walked around from the other side of the car. It’s possible Good was focused on the agent at the door & didn’t even see the agent walk in front of her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,567 Posted 19 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Uhh ohhh, the violent left is popping off tonight!! This is their Christmas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,567 Posted 19 hours ago 3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: The NY Times blow by blow analysis. Y’all should watch this. It raises at least one good point. The agent who shoots walked around from the other side of the car. It’s possible Good was focused on the agent at the door & didn’t even see the agent walk in front of her. It's possible someone was hiding in the grassy knoll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,970 Posted 19 hours ago 7 minutes ago, dogcows said: The overall story from the conservatives here has shifted. “She tried to kill the ICE agent” is out. ”Peaceful protest and recording law enforcement are acceptable reasons for ICE to kill you” is in. Do any of you even consider how crazy this is? Justifying a killing based on the woman being a “social justice warrior” or blocking traffic or recording ICE? Once you realized nobody was buying the lie about her trying to kill ICE Rambo, you switched gears to attacking the victim. It’s pure tribalism on display. You could still support ICE but condemn this agent for the killing. It’s not all-or-nothing. And the best thing the wokies here can do is muzzle this guy. He's not helping you. He's hurting you. The amount of complete BS to word density this dude jams into every single one of his posts is absolutely astounding. He's your seafoam. Just an absolute anchor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,793 Posted 19 hours ago 3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: The NY Times blow by blow analysis. Y’all should watch this. It raises at least one good point. The agent who shoots walked around from the other side of the car. It’s possible Good was focused on the agent at the door & didn’t even see the agent walk in front of her. I assumed this TBH. She didn’t see the cop in front of the car. If she wanted to kill him why did she have the wheel turned away from him. She decided now is the time to run over a cop? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,342 Posted 19 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: In Colorado POST certification (Police Officer Standards Training) is basically a 22 week course though it may be given from 16 to 40 weeks depending on intensive, full time, or part time. Once certified most agencies then have their own academies generally running 12 to 20 weeks. The graduates are generally probabtionary officers for one year during which time they can be fired/dismissed for cause or no cause and or sent for retraining. Generally they patrol under the direct supervison of field training officers for the first 3 months and sporadically for the first year. Once their probabtion is over they generally are civil servants with all of the protections of such persons and with unions protecting them as well. It is difficult to get rid of an Officer at that juncture. Most agencies except the smallest and poorest and most rural have ongoing mandatory training, yearly recertifications, and required additional course work for promotions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,817 Posted 19 hours ago 25 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I’m really curious what the maga conservative brethren here would do - or what their neighbors would do - if the year was 2021 & Biden DOJ & HHS clad in black & balaclavas went door to door banging on doors asking for paperwork. Show them my drivers license and passport. Birth certificate if they asked. Offer them a beer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted 19 hours ago https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/2009411431372845163?s=46 Just really good people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 864 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, Reality said: No, Trump didn't let in millions and millions of unvetted illegals via an open border. You don't have to be a dipshlt 100% of the time. I don’t think I’ve got the energy to find the stats for you but yes - until Covid - Trump1 was pretty consistent with other presidents. Iirc the highest 2 deportation/removal numbers came under Obama & Biden. Maybe Trump2 eclipsed that, I don’t know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,248 Posted 19 hours ago In case there is any doubt that she was there checking out the weather, she was actively working to make ICE's job harder. Not saying that justifies being shot, but she probably didn't spin out and park sideways by accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,817 Posted 19 hours ago 2 more shot in Portland? Radical left is getting violent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,114 Posted 19 hours ago Just now, jerryskids said: In case there is any doubt that she was there checking out the weather, she was actively working to make ICE's job harder. Not saying that justifies being shot, but she probably didn't spin out and park sideways by accident. I already posted this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,114 Posted 19 hours ago Just now, Horseman said: 2 more shot in Portland? Radical left is getting violent. Is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,394 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, nobody said: And the best thing the wokies here can do is muzzle this guy. He's not helping you. He's hurting you. The amount of complete BS to word density this dude jams into every single one of his posts is absolutely astounding. He's your seafoam. Just an absolute anchor. MAGA is adrift, changing their stances based on what the latest RW podcast tells them to think. You could use an anchor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,342 Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Most agencies except the smallest and poorest and most rural have ongoing mandatory training, yearly recertifications, and required additional course work for promotions. FLETC also offers training opportunities free of charge to local law enfocement agencies. Of course how much training is taken advantage of, and how much retained when out on the streets is anyone's guess. Its like Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 864 Posted 19 hours ago 7 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I assumed this TBH. She didn’t see the cop in front of the car. If she wanted to kill him why did she have the wheel turned away from him. She decided now is the time to run over a cop? My guess is, yes, she’s looking left, game’s over, the agent starts grabbing her handle & might yank her out, she turns to leave, but she’s focused on the left. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,970 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, cyclone24 said: https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/2009411431372845163?s=46 Just really good people. Again. This is why they can't win. This shooting is a win for the movement. Use it to influence ICE policy on rules of engagement. That's all your getting from this, wokies. Of course, they have to immediately overplay the hand and blow up any gains they could've gotten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,162 Posted 19 hours ago Just now, dogcows said: MAGA is adrift, changing their stances based on what the latest RW podcast tells them to think. You could use an anchor. Rich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 280 Posted 19 hours ago 14 minutes ago, Fnord said: And? This happened before most or possibly any MPD arrived on the scene. I'll also point out that legally local cops are not obligated to assist in any way. sids was pointing out that this was a police matter and that they are trained in this. I just pointed out that in Mpls the police are instructed not to help out. that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,793 Posted 19 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Most agencies except the smallest and poorest and most rural have ongoing mandatory training, yearly recertifications, and required additional course work for promotions. How’s about increasing a force by almost double adding 10k in about a year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 280 Posted 19 hours ago 14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: The NY Times blow by blow analysis. Y’all should watch this. It raises at least one good point. The agent who shoots walked around from the other side of the car. It’s possible Good was focused on the agent at the door & didn’t even see the agent walk in front of her. yea, go with that. it's possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,707 Posted 19 hours ago 17 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I’m going to go watch the Ole Miss game out & about. I’ll check in later on that. Then stop posting every 2 seconds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,342 Posted 19 hours ago Just now, thegeneral said: How’s about increasing a force by almost double adding 10k in about a year? I would describe that as a recipe for sub-optimal training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,695 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, shadrap said: sids was pointing out that this was a police matter and that they are trained in this. I just pointed out that in Mpls the police are instructed not to help out. that's it. Thanks. I think the MPD has been instructed not to assist ICE in their operations, but they will still show up to keep the peace. Those poor bastards are in a no-win situation. I feel bad for them despite their reputation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,248 Posted 19 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Strike said: I already posted this. Sorry, it's been hard to track discussion in multiple threads when I haven't been sitting here non-stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 441 Posted 19 hours ago 18 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: The NY Times blow by blow analysis. Y’all should watch this. It raises at least one good point. The agent who shoots walked around from the other side of the car. It’s possible Good was focused on the agent at the door & didn’t even see the agent walk in front of her. I'm trying to keep an open mind because none of us can truly say what was in her mind or what she saw at that moment. Unfortunately she put herself in harm's way. If we give her the benefit of the doubt here and say she didn't see the agent at all, he has no way to know that when she starts the car forward. All of this is going to be in the news cycle for awhile until the next story but nothing will change. My view is likely different than yours but even if she directly opposes the laws that ICE is trying to enforce, she put herself at extreme risk by being at a 90 degree angle to the roadway, impeding their progress, then not following their commands and started her car forward with an officer in front of her. If you or I did that to ICE or to our local county sheriff's deputy there's a pretty significant chance, certainly nonzero, we wouldn't be here tomorrow either. There are a lot of laws I don't like, I can protest them, I can ask my elected official to change them, I can vote them out, but I can't take the law into my own hands and I certainly cannot impede a government enforcement officer from their duties in enforcing that law. Again, we likely disagree as to reasons this happened, but you can easily convince me this lady was scared once those officers approached her car and she panicked. If she believes they are Nazis, the Gestapo, they are "disappearing people", if she in her mind believes that and it's not hyperbole, could you blame her? Sadly, I think there is at least a fair chance that occurred here and may well occur in the future as there are a significant number of people who believe it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,567 Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, Strike said: So much for the narrative that this agent was some untrained newbie: https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2009305670814753181 2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: ICE officers trained never to approach a vehicle from the front, DHS official says ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News. Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said. ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer. So he was trained and just ignored his training? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 280 Posted 19 hours ago Just now, thegeneral said: How’s about increasing a force by almost double adding 10k in about a year? if Biden and company wouldn't have let in 10 to 20 million in 4 years(only the best and brightest) I guess we wouldn't have had to hire so many. so we now going to have "defund Ice" as in defund Police? That worked out real well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,793 Posted 19 hours ago 4 minutes ago, jerryskids said: In case there is any doubt that she was there checking out the weather, she was actively working to make ICE's job harder. Not saying that justifies being shot, but she probably didn't spin out and park sideways by accident. You see more info is coming out, although this article isn’t very detailed and it’s a tabloid rag (I do love reading it tho ). What defines harassment of ICE and what was this lady doing exactly are the important parts of this for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,516 Posted 19 hours ago 28 minutes ago, nobody said: What your team needs is some ICE agent actually being a gestapo and ripping some lady from her car, slamming her on the ground and driving his knee into her back to sway the normies that ICE is getting out of hand. Meant to post this here. Pretty much exactly what you described happened, and DHS was caught lying about it. On 10/12/2025 at 10:06 PM, TimHauck said: Interestingly it’s actually a MAGA x poster fact checking McLaughlin’s lies here, who claims this happened over a year ago (it happened 2 days ago), it wasn’t ICE (it was, or maybe Border Patrol), and that it was in Chicago (it wasn’t, it was in Hoffman Estates) Hoffman Estates PD also confirmed there was an “incident” in the village. https://www.facebook.com/share/1M9ejcHmno/?mibextid=wwXIfr I don’t have enough information on that “incident” to comment about it, but not sure why DHS would blatantly lie about it happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,793 Posted 19 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: I would describe that as a recipe for sub-optimal training. I think I agree with this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,707 Posted 19 hours ago The riots are getting more violent by the minute. Things are going to be terrible, especially over the weekend. Liberals are violent creatures Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,817 Posted 19 hours ago 21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I’m going to go watch the Ole Miss game out & about. I’ll check in later on that. Where are the wife and kids? Work tomorrow? Rhetorical Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,342 Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: So he was trained and just ignored his training? Sadly not a wholly infruequent occurance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,695 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, Mark Davis said: I'm trying to keep an open mind because none of us can truly say what was in her mind or what she saw at that moment. Unfortunately she put herself in harm's way. If we give her the benefit of the doubt here and say she didn't see the agent at all, he has no way to know that when she starts the car forward. All of this is going to be in the news cycle for awhile until the next story but nothing will change. My view is likely different than yours but even if she directly opposes the laws that ICE is trying to enforce, she put herself at extreme risk by being at a 90 degree angle to the roadway, impeding their progress, then not following their commands and started her car forward with an officer in front of her. If you or I did that to ICE or to our local county sheriff's deputy there's a pretty significant chance we wouldn't be here tomorrow either. There are a lot of laws I don't like, I can protest them, I can ask my elected official to change them, I can vote them out, but I can't take the law into my own hands and I certainly cannot impede a government enforcement officer from their duties in enforcing that law. Again, we likely disagree as to reasons this happened, but you can easily convince me this lady was scared once those officers approached her car and she panicked. If she believes they are Nazis, the Gestapo, they are "disappearing people", if she in her mind believes that and it's not hyperbole, could you blame her? Sadly, I think there is at least a fair chance that occurred here and may well occur in the future as there are a significant number of people who believe it. Good post. As outraged as I am, I will absolutely agree that the motorist was playing a dangerous game and certainly isn't without some fault. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,970 Posted 19 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: There are a lot of laws I don't like, I can protest them, I can ask my elected official to change them, I can vote them out, but I can't take the law into my own hands and I certainly cannot impede a government enforcement officer from their duties in enforcing that law. Again, we likely disagree as to reasons this happened, but you can easily convince me this lady was scared once those officers approached her car and she panicked. If she believes they are Nazis, the Gestapo, they are "disappearing people", if she in her mind believes that and it's not hyperbole, could you blame her? Sadly, I think there is at least a fair chance that occurred here and may well occur in the future as there are a significant number of people who believe it. Low probability she was scared she'd be disappeared by the big bad gestapo. Or else why would she put herself in their sights? Now most likely scenario is she was scared she was going to get body slammed by that ICE agent foaming at the mouth and the resulting arrest was going to make her miss RuPaul's Drag Queen Show. Again - what she should've wanted to happen. Poor coaching by the anti-ice warriors organizers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,342 Posted 19 hours ago 4 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Meant to post this here. Pretty much exactly what you described happened, and DHS was caught lying about it. I did not know Marcus Spears worked for a Law Enfocement Agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,707 Posted 19 hours ago Patriots, load up, load out, watch your Brothers 6 and don't let the Liberals destroy your Cities. Defend yourselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 16,176 Posted 19 hours ago So funny watching liberals screech about standards now. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,248 Posted 19 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: There are a lot of laws I don't like, I can protest them, I can ask my elected official to change them, I can vote them out, but I can't take the law into my own hands and I certainly cannot impede a government enforcement officer from their duties in enforcing that law. Again, we likely disagree as to reasons this happened, but you can easily convince me this lady was scared once those officers approached her car and she panicked. If she believes they are Nazis, the Gestapo, they are "disappearing people", if she in her mind believes that and it's not hyperbole, could you blame her? Sadly, I think there is at least a fair chance that occurred here and may well occur in the future as there are a significant number of people who believe it. Mark, please get the memo: only far right MAGA posts dangerous rhetoric. The Lefties post the truth, comrade! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites