Hardcore troubadour 12,890 Posted November 18, 2017 I paid my mortgage and taxes. I'm awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,080 Posted November 18, 2017 MAGA More Africans Getting Arrested!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted November 18, 2017 I think he's paid what he owes both monetarily and society wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 675 Posted November 18, 2017 I think he's paid what he owes both monetarily and society wise. Maybe he did, maybe not but either way I think he is a pos. Anyone that is that cold that they could torture and kill helpless dogs has something wrong with them that a few years and dollars does not fix. You don't go from being able to do that to having an epiphany like "Now that I have been caught and my lies exposed I suddenly realize that what I did was wrong." More like "I do not want my career to go down the toilet now that people know what I am. I had better say the right things. " Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,001 Posted November 18, 2017 I have always been a fan of Michael Vick since his days at Virginia Tech, with Atlanta of course, and even with the rival Eagles. He's a good guy that was a great elite football player/QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted November 18, 2017 Still a piece of shiot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,323 Posted November 18, 2017 I read somewhere that he's done a lot animal causes etc etc. Seems to me he has learned a strong lesson. I wouldn't trust him alone with dogs but he does seem to at least be trying to live a decent life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,086 Posted November 18, 2017 Made a mistake, owned it, served time, and now is contributing to society. Good for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,500 Posted November 18, 2017 Made a mistake, owned it, served time, and now is contributing to society. Good for him. Running a dog fighting operation for years is not a mistake,it is a way of life. At best you could say he made thousands of mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,323 Posted November 18, 2017 Running a dog fighting operation for years is not a mistake,it is a way of life. At best you could say he made thousands of mistakes. You win!! Anything else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,086 Posted November 18, 2017 Running a dog fighting operation for years is not a mistake,it is a way of life. At best you could say he made thousands of mistakes.Did he not serve his punishment? He did, and hes been both remorseful and contributed positively to society. That doesnt mean we forget, but it does mean he gets a second chance and hes using it. A role model for others who need rehabilitation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,662 Posted November 18, 2017 Maybe he did, maybe not but either way I think he is a pos. Anyone that is that cold that they could torture and kill helpless dogs has something wrong with them that a few years and dollars does not fix. You don't go from being able to do that ###### to having an epiphany like "Now that I have been caught and my lies exposed I suddenly realize that what I did was wrong." More like "I do not want my career to go down the toilet now that people know what I am. I had better say the right things. " Just my opinion. I totally agree. There is something fundamentally wrong in the wiring of one's brain to be able to do this. There's a reason why there is such a direct connection with serial killers and there earlier activities of torturing and killing house pets. Which is why I also don't buy off on the societal or cultural excuse. Wrong is wrong is wrong. If it truly was societal or cultural then there should be literally millions of more arrests for the same crime. Most choose not to go down this path. Every day that his brother stays alive and or out of prison is a surprise to me. And if this piece of s*** ended up dead or in prison and Not only would not disappoint me it wouldn't surprise me either. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 532 Posted November 18, 2017 I totally agree. There is something fundamentally wrong in the wiring of one's brain to be able to do this. There's a reason why there is such a direct connection with serial killers and there earlier activities of torturing and killing house pets. Which is why I also don't buy off on the societal or cultural excuse. Wrong is wrong is wrong. If it truly was societal or cultural then there should be literally millions of more arrests for the same crime. Most choose not to go down this path. Every day that his brother stays alive and or out of prison is a surprise to me. And if this piece of s*** ended up dead or in prison and Not only would not disappoint me it wouldn't surprise me either. To you, It's because he's black, isn't it? Or because he's a conservative? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,993 Posted November 18, 2017 Made a mistake, owned it, served time, and now is contributing to society. Good for him. Would I trust him with an animal of any kind? No....But agree about the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 19, 2017 I conceptually understand how a different culture could look the other way where dog fighting is concerned. For example, I dont want to watch cockfights and intellectually I know its bad, but I dont have the same visceral emotional reaction as I do to dogfighting. So big picture....I didnt see him as necessarily evil back then....and when someone is truly humbled and makes positive changes, we need to forgive them and even respect it, as its human nature to remain defiant until the very end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,911 Posted November 19, 2017 I totally agree. There is something fundamentally wrong in the wiring of one's brain to be able to do this. There's a reason why there is such a direct connection with serial killers and there earlier activities of torturing and killing house pets. Which is why I also don't buy off on the societal or cultural excuse. Wrong is wrong is wrong. If it truly was societal or cultural then there should be literally millions of more arrests for the same crime. Most choose not to go down this path. Every day that his brother stays alive and or out of prison is a surprise to me. And if this piece of s*** ended up dead or in prison and Not only would not disappoint me it wouldn't surprise me either. There was a time that it was normal to watch men fight to the death in a colosseum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,560 Posted November 19, 2017 There was a time that it was normal to watch men fight to the death in a colosseum.Gladiators, do you like movies about gladiators? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,911 Posted November 19, 2017 Gladiators, do you like movies about gladiators? Fock yeah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 675 Posted November 19, 2017 Did he not serve his punishment? He did, and hes been both remorseful and contributed positively to society. That doesnt mean we forget, but it does mean he gets a second chance and hes using it. A role model for others who need rehabilitation. He plead guilty to bankrolling a dog fighting operation. He never plead guilty to killing or torturing dogs. That part is not his fault, the prosecutors let him plead down so who can blame him? Still he never served time for personally killing and torturing the dogs. I never said he did not deserve a second chance or even that he should not have been allowed to play in the NFL. The question here was is he still a POS?. In my mind anyone that would do that to a dog let alone 50 is a POS and a few months in jail does not change that. I think saying he is a roll model is a giant stretch. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,890 Posted November 19, 2017 I went to a bullfight. I rooted for the bull. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 19, 2017 and a few months in jail does not change that. . 21 months in federal prison, fwiw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,941 Posted November 19, 2017 I see cockfighting at the Geek Club every day. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,071 Posted November 19, 2017 21 months in federal prison, fwiw The fact that he pled guilty and served 21 months on a plea tells us two things: 1) There is no doubt how involved he was in the operation. 2) He served WAY less time than he SHOULD have. No competent attorney would advise his client to accept such a plea but for the fact that there was minimal chance to win at trial and that the sentence would be much worse after losing at trial. IOW, Vick got off EASY at 21 months. POS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,890 Posted November 19, 2017 Pit bulls shouldn't be in urban/suburban settings. They belong in the country where they can be used for their intended purpose. There should be very few of these dogs around. That being said, Vick is a POS and ran what was basically a concentration camp for these dogs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 19, 2017 The fact that he pled guilty and served 21 months on a plea tells us two things: 1) There is no doubt how involved he was in the operation. 2) He served WAY less time than he SHOULD have. No competent attorney would advise his client to accept such a plea but for the fact that there was minimal chance to win at trial and that the sentence would be much worse after losing at trial. IOW, Vick got off EASY at 21 months. POS. I love dogs and have had them my whole life, so I understand the visceral response. ........But intellectually....we wouldnt even demand multiple years in prison for people that killed cats, let alone if we could get hamsters or ants to fight. Again, I get it emotionally....but Im trying to see it from the viewpoint of someone that didnt grow up like I did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,400 Posted November 19, 2017 21 months seems like a pretty good chunk of time without some other crime involved, e.g. drugs or financial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 532 Posted November 19, 2017 I see cockfighting at the Geek Club every day. Too bad you're unarmed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,941 Posted November 19, 2017 Too bad you're unarmed. Zing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,662 Posted November 19, 2017 21 months seems like a pretty good chunk of time without some other crime involved, e.g. drugs or financialThe f***** was busted violating the terms of his bond by getting smoked off his gourd. He couldn't even make it from trial to sentencing without violating his Bond. First, G that shows a hell of a lot of remorse. And second, if he wasn't a celebrity? He gets 21 months just for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,941 Posted November 19, 2017 Seriously, 21 months, the many millions he lost and the huge blow to Vicks reputation seems fair. In a league full of guys who hit women its odd to me that people react so strongly to Vick. I think cbfalcon is onto something too. We factory farm hundreds of thousands of cows and chickens per year and nobody gives a sh1t. This guy sport fights dogs and a decade later after hes still a pariah. I would probably feel different if Vick hadnt been a model teammate here in Philly and if he hadnt done everything he could to make amends but he did. I think its time to let it go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,662 Posted November 19, 2017 I'm not going to relitigate the case but from memory, but I think the reason everything got expedited and dumb down so much and so quickly was because there was a pissing match between the state of Virginia Which likely would have gave him a slap on the wrist simply because of who he was, and the FEDS. The feds stepped in with Rico and other charges because the dog fighting itself at that particular time was not a federal offense in and of itself. He's actually lucky, because he fell into this Zone before a new federal dog fighting law took effect. Under that, we're talking multiple years minimum mandatory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,662 Posted November 19, 2017 Seems like there's more than one conversation going on here. The question isn't it did he get sentenced appropriately or did he not serve the terms of his sentence adequately? The question quite simply is is he a POS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 19, 2017 The f***** was busted violating the terms of his bond by getting smoked off his gourd. He couldn't even make it from trial to sentencing without violating his ###### Bond. First, G that shows a hell of a lot of remorse. And second, if he wasn't a celebrity? He gets 21 months just for that. Even if smoking pot is a bridge too far for you in terms of what makes one a POS....I imagine the humbling and change of character would have occurred during the prison sentence moreso than before it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,071 Posted November 19, 2017 21 months seems like a pretty good chunk of time without some other crime involved, e.g. drugs or financial Uh......gambling on dogfighting....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted November 19, 2017 I totally agree. There is something fundamentally wrong in the wiring of one's brain to be able to do this. There's a reason why there is such a direct connection with serial killers and there earlier activities of torturing and killing house pets. Which is why I also don't buy off on the societal or cultural excuse. Wrong is wrong is wrong. If it truly was societal or cultural then there should be literally millions of more arrests for the same crime. Most choose not to go down this path. Every day that his brother stays alive and or out of prison is a surprise to me. And if this piece of s*** ended up dead or in prison and Not only would not disappoint me it wouldn't surprise me either. Many cultures view animals as unfeeling objects solely meant to serve man, including as entertainment. Though few can bankroll a dogfighting enterprise, there probably could be millions of arrests for cruelty if every person involved with animal fighting was charged. Moreover, the handling of livestock in industrial meat production ain't exactly kind. As MDC and CBF have alluded, society has just drawn an arbitrary line where animal slaughter is acceptable. All that being said, you're right that psychopaths tend to be cruel to animals in their formative years. It's unlikely Vick grew up in such a cultural vacuum that he couldn't tell right from wrong. Even though he served his time, and probably is a better man for it, he still isn't a good person IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted November 19, 2017 I love dogs and have had them my whole life, so I understand the visceral response. ........But intellectually....we wouldnt even demand multiple years in prison for people that killed cats, let alone if we could get hamsters or ants to fight. Again, I get it emotionally....but Im trying to see it from the viewpoint of someone that didnt grow up like I did. I think there are just as many cat as dog lovers in this country, such that a large scale kitty-killing operation would invoke the same public scorn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,662 Posted November 19, 2017 And now a word from our sponsor... When cows, chickens, cats, squirrels, or ants start pulling survivors from the wreckage of collapsed buildings or detecting cancer or otherwise saving lives, come get me. Until then, they don't belong in this conversation. Anybody who has spent more than two minutes around an actual cow realizes that these things were literally made to be eaten. They are the Jessica Simpson of the animal world. Still, I wouldn't deliberately torture them. Unless it made the meat more tender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted November 19, 2017 And now a word from our sponsor... When cows, chickens, cats, squirrels, or ants start pulling survivors from the wreckage of collapsed buildings or detecting cancer or otherwise saving lives, come get me. Until then, they don't belong in this conversation. Anybody who has spent more than two minutes around an actual cow realizes that these things were literally made to be eaten. They are the Jessica Simpson of the animal world. Still, I wouldn't deliberately torture them. Unless it made the meat more tender. So you're suggesting dogs' service to man and/or intelligence makes their lives more valuable than other critters? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,086 Posted November 19, 2017 If they were pit bulls killing each other then Im actually okay with it. I dont think they were putting two labs up against each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites