Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[edjr 6,598]

so who was outside the winterfell walls blowing the horns and riling up Theon? Who was Theon going to fight? How did Theon's men simply walk out of Winterfell and where did the people who had winterfell surrounded suddenly disappear to? and why are the boys being instructed to head north?

 

i get that they don't know exactly where Robb and lady stark are so heading south is a bad idea but why not stay put?

 

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[OldMaid 2,130]

so who was outside the winterfell walls blowing the horns and riling up Theon? Who was Theon going to fight? How did Theon's men simply walk out of Winterfell and where did the people who had winterfell surrounded suddenly disappear to? and why are the boys being instructed to head north?

 

i get that they don't know exactly where Robb and lady stark are so heading south is a bad idea but why not stay put?

 

If you really want to know...

 

In the book, Theon and his men are overtaken by Ramsay Snow and group of his men-who were hiding there.. They are the ones responsible for putting Winterfell to the torch.

Obviously, the show seems to be taking a different direction to this whole storyline. We can only assume at this point, that is was Ramsay Snow's men, that were outside the walls at Winterfell. I also think (but this is just a guess) that the guy who knocked Theon out, will turn out to be Ramsay Snow.

 

There is another storyline including a brother and sister (Meera and Jojen Reed) who were sent to Winterfell as wards who tell Bran what his dreams mean and urge him to go find the three-eyed crow beyond the wall.

 

I believe both of these storylines should play out in season three.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,739]

If you really want to know...

 

 

well that maybe explains how (or how not) Theons men were able to walk out of winterfell

 

but i was already assuming the men outside winterfell were the ones sent by Robb Stark. Well, the ones sent by that guy whose son was killed by Jamie.

 

its still weird that Bran would be sent north. The old dying dude basically tells him its not safe at Winterfell, that "they will be back"... what you're saying based on the books would make sense but doesn't seem to add up with how he is actually sent north.

 

the guy who knocks Theon out is the guy Theon first meets when he meets his "crew" right?

[OldMaid 2,130]

well that maybe explains how (or how not) Theons men were able to walk out of winterfell

 

but i was already assuming the men outside winterfell were the ones sent by Robb Stark. Well, the ones sent by that guy whose son was killed by Jamie.

 

its still weird that Bran would be sent north. The old dying dude basically tells him its not safe at Winterfell, that "they will be back"... what you're saying based on the books would make sense but doesn't seem to add up with how he is actually sent north.

 

the guy who knocks Theon out is the guy Theon first meets when he meets his "crew" right?

Yes, the guy who knocked Theon out was supposedly part of his crew. It's just a guess on my part, that's all.

 

I fully expect that they will resolve this at the beginning of next season. So, you either have to wait, read the books, or go searching for spoilers on the web.

 

Sorry if I didn't do a good enough job explaining it, but I was trying not to spoil too much of the story for you. Or for anyone else who just can't help clicking on the spoiler tabs.

[edjr 6,598]

well that maybe explains how (or how not) Theons men were able to walk out of winterfell

 

but i was already assuming the men outside winterfell were the ones sent by Robb Stark. Well, the ones sent by that guy whose son was killed by Jamie.

 

its still weird that Bran would be sent north. The old dying dude basically tells him its not safe at Winterfell, that "they will be back"... what you're saying based on the books would make sense but doesn't seem to add up with how he is actually sent north.

 

the guy who knocks Theon out is the guy Theon first meets when he meets his "crew" right?

 

I bet the guy who knocked Theon out did so at the behest of Theon's father and or sister and they are bringing them back home. The horn was to let them know who was outside.

 

Hell of a speech by Theon though

[Quickolas1 80]

all 3 dragons did hit him with fire, no? i mean the one hit him first and then they all blasted him.

sorry. I thought it was just the one and then the other 2 joined to free her from her chains. maybe it was all 3.

 

1. It seems that all Sansa cares about is being free of Joffrey. Why didn't she just go with the hound regardless of who won the battle for Kings landing?

Yes, that is what she wants. But the Hound always terrified her. In the book, he was in a shocking and scary state due to the fire which evoked the memories of his brother the Mountain burning him as a child. Sansa also hoped Stannis would win at the time and he would let her go.

 

2. All it takes is Jon Snow killing that other Nights Watch dude and the wildlings are willing to undo his cuffs? I understand they fought each other on purpose but it seemed too much like "oh ok we'll uncuff you now".

The Lord of Bones still wanted to kill Snow after he killed Quorin Halfhand. But Ygritte said something like it should be up to Mance. It's not like Jon had anywhere else to go at that point and the enemy camp was right there.

 

3. The young stark boys are told to pack up, leave winterfell and head north. they are told "they'll be back".... Im assuming Theon's men burned winterfell before they left but what happened to them being surrounded? Furthermore, why would they come back? They left because they knew they would stand no chance against the men that were sent by Robb. Or did i completely miss something here? Didn't Robb have one of his higher up guys send a smaller army to Winterfell to save his brothers? Once Theon and company left wouldn't they search for Bran and the other kid? this entire story line left me completely confused.

 

can't answer these questions without giving anything away at this point. but Bran has another purpose for going north. The rest is a little diff from the book as mentioned. But to make it somewhat close to the book...my guess is Theon's 2nd-in-command made a deal with whoever is outside Winterfell to give up Theon so they can escape with their lives. They WERE outnumbered by some big number-vs-20, right? What was their only chance? Robb said in a previous episode he wants Theon. But did whoever (it is outside Winterfell) keep that end of the deal and let them walk away? Or...???

 

I wouldn't read OldMaid's spoiler if you haven't already.

[parrot 789]

I bet the guy who knocked Theon out did so at the behest of Theon's father and or sister and they are bringing them back home.

 

I really wish this was the case.

[nobody 2,678]

The Joffrey, Margery, Sansa dynamic is quite interesting - what's next for them? Margery can (hopefully) turn the tables on Joffrey, she'll make an interesting partner for him.

 

 

Looks like LittleFinger is making a play for Sansa since he can't have the older Stark. Shrewd move going after the younger version. He should have thought of that right from the start.

[WhiteWonder 2,739]

sorry. I thought it was just the one and then the other 2 joined to free her from her chains. maybe it was all 3.

 

 

Yes, that is what she wants. But the Hound always terrified her. In the book, he was in a shocking and scary state due to the fire which evoked the memories of his brother the Mountain burning him as a child. Sansa also hoped Stannis would win at the time and he would let her go.

 

 

The Lord of Bones still wanted to kill Snow after he killed Quorin Halfhand. But Ygritte said something like it should be up to Mance. It's not like Jon had anywhere else to go at that point and the enemy camp was right there.

 

 

 

can't answer these questions without giving anything away at this point. but Bran has another purpose for going north. The rest is a little diff from the book as mentioned. But to make it somewhat close to the book...my guess is Theon's 2nd-in-command made a deal with whoever is outside Winterfell to give up Theon so they can escape with their lives. They WERE outnumbered by some big number-vs-20, right? What was their only chance? Robb said in a previous episode he wants Theon. But did whoever (it is outside Winterfell) keep that end of the deal and let them walk away? Or...???

 

I wouldn't read OldMaid's spoiler if you haven't already.

 

But sansa was also terrified of the Lannisters winning the battle. she even said something like "the worst ones always live". she kind of knew Joffrey would win. Why not take your chances with the hound. As scary as he is, he seems mostly honorable and unlikely to abuse her.

 

True, i suppose Snow had nowhere to run. Maybe if his focking wolf would have shown up the wolf and snow could have taken out the 10 or so who had him captive? Those wolves can be pretty badass when it suits the plot line.

 

I did read oldmaids spoiler and i completely understand Bran has another reason for heading north but what we actually see in the show is a completely different reason given to him by the old dying dude. It doesnt seem that anyone would be returning to Winterfell. They even say as much that they want to go south toward Robb and their mother. If the men sent by Robb did indeed barter a deal for Theon, why wouldn't they search Winterfell for the stark boys?

[TD Ryan2 316]

so... I read most of book one.

did not read book 2.

 

And I'm going to pick up book 3 soon..

 

What do I need to know that the show left out? Thanks.

[OldMaid 2,130]

so... I read most of book one.

did not read book 2.

 

And I'm going to pick up book 3 soon..

 

What do I need to know that the show left out? Thanks.

 

You can get the chapter synopsis if you go here.

[nobody 2,678]

But sansa was also terrified of the Lannisters winning the battle. she even said something like "the worst ones always live". she kind of knew Joffrey would win. Why not take your chances with the hound. As scary as he is, he seems mostly honorable and unlikely to abuse her.

 

True, i suppose Snow had nowhere to run. Maybe if his focking wolf would have shown up the wolf and snow could have taken out the 10 or so who had him captive? Those wolves can be pretty badass when it suits the plot line.

 

I did read oldmaids spoiler and i completely understand Bran has another reason for heading north but what we actually see in the show is a completely different reason given to him by the old dying dude. It doesnt seem that anyone would be returning to Winterfell. They even say as much that they want to go south toward Robb and their mother. If the men sent by Robb did indeed barter a deal for Theon, why wouldn't they search Winterfell for the stark boys?

 

You guys aren't getting the feeling that the wildlings are going to end up being the good guys (to the extent that this show has any good guys). If we've learned anything by now, it's that when things look sh¡tty for you, you're probably in good shape, and when things look good for you, you're probably about to eat it. It's actually becoming pretty predictable in that sense.

[WhiteWonder 2,739]

You guys aren't getting the feeling that the wildlings are going to end up being the good guys (to the extent that this show has any good guys). If we've learned anything by now, it's that when things look sh¡tty for you, you're probably in good shape, and when things look good for you, you're probably about to eat it. It's actually becoming pretty predictable in that sense.

 

oh no i do actually think the wildlings will be the truest form of "good guys" as in having no alterior motivation outside of being free.

 

although i still feel the stark house is inherently good.

[Quickolas1 80]

But sansa was also terrified of the Lannisters winning the battle. she even said something like "the worst ones always live". she kind of knew Joffrey would win. Why not take your chances with the hound. As scary as he is, he seems mostly honorable and unlikely to abuse her. but Stannis would have won had Tywin/Terrell's not shown up.

 

True, i suppose Snow had nowhere to run. Maybe if his focking wolf would have shown up the wolf and snow could have taken out the 10 or so who had him captive? Those wolves can be pretty badass when it suits the plot line.

 

I did read oldmaids spoiler and i completely understand Bran has another reason for heading north but what we actually see in the show is a completely different reason given to him by the old dying dude. It doesnt seem that anyone would be returning to Winterfell. They even say as much that they want to go south toward Robb and their mother. If the men sent by Robb did indeed barter a deal for Theon, why wouldn't they search Winterfell for the stark boys?

 

if i remember correctly, the hound was also trashed drunk hiding in sansa's room. he also had his burned face right near hers and martin built it up like he might actually do something inappropriate. instead, he made her sing to him. also, there was another character (might be in season 3) that had hinted by this point that he would try and sneak her away.

 

snow's wolf is always around. snow's goal was to get into the camp by now (it was more blatant in the book with the halfhand telling him to serve the night's watch).

 

the line by maester luwin wasn't well placed. but the north is also still filled with pillagers, rapists, displaced soldiers from both sides and the once-in-awhile mentioned 'brotherhood without banners.' as the name implies, not everyone's loyalty is perfectly defined. the boys could be used for ransom really by anyone. but presumably someone will look for them once word gets out that they were 'burned alive' so there is the chance that they could be looked for by the 'wrong people.' the line still wasn't a great one though as you said.

 

just read the books

the show is supplementary

[WhiteWonder 2,739]

if i remember correctly, the hound was also trashed drunk hiding in sansa's room. he also had his burned face right near hers and martin built it up like he might actually do something inappropriate. instead, he made her sing to him. also, there was another character (might be in season 3) that had hinted by this point that he would try and sneak her away.

 

snow's wolf is always around. snow's goal was to get into the camp by now (it was more blatant in the book with the halfhand telling him to serve the night's watch).

 

the line by maester luwin wasn't well placed. but the north is also still filled with pillagers, rapists, displaced soldiers from both sides and the once-in-awhile mentioned 'brotherhood without banners.' as the name implies, not everyone's loyalty is perfectly defined. the boys could be used for ransom really by anyone. but presumably someone will look for them once word gets out that they were 'burned alive' so there is the chance that they could be looked for by the 'wrong people.' the line still wasn't a great one though as you said.

 

just read the books

the show is supplementary

 

i probably will read the books if i get the time but i am the type of person who believes a show like this should be able to stand up on its own and viewers who have not read the book should not feel lost outside of something they missed in the show. If you're going to leave out things from the book, they should not be imperative to the story lines already being told in the show.

 

the fact that i have these questions and you guys are only able to answer them by saying "well they left X Y and Z out from the book" is bad, imo.

[IAMWood 6]

i probably will read the books if i get the time but i am the type of person who believes a show like this should be able to stand up on its own and viewers who have not read the book should not feel lost outside of something they missed in the show. If you're going to leave out things from the book, they should not be imperative to the story lines already being told in the show.

 

the fact that i have these questions and you guys are only able to answer them by saying "well they left X Y and Z out from the book" is bad, imo.

I agree, the first season stood alone very well. Having read the books, I do like this show being a supplement. But you are right. They've narrowed a ton of stuff down, but are still too spread out.

[rallo 136]

I thought the opposite. I think the Zombies & WWalker on the horse were needed to give it that extra something at the end. And they should have had all 3 dragons pumping fire instead of just the one little guy taking out Pyat Pree (seemed a little too easy). Very glad they didn't cut out the Jaqen effect.

 

Even book-readers don't necessarily know what will come next in this show and have to pay attention!

 

i thought the white walker on the horse sort of resembled benjen stark sp?... i'm only through the 2nd book though, so i'm sure he will come up somewhere...

[redtodd 7]

Question for the book readers:

 

How is the 4th book? I read mixed reviews on it.

 

I just finished the 3rd book which was great.

[southcarolina 166]

i thought the white walker on the horse sort of resembled benjen stark sp?... i'm only through the 2nd book though, so i'm sure he will come up somewhere...

 

Im guessing that Benjen is the king of the wildlings. I cant remember what it was exactly, but something Ygritte said to Jon Snow made me think the king was an outsider. And when Snow's captors found out who he was, they backed off him instantly.

 

 

How long til season 3 starts?

[kutulu 1,678]

 

 

How long til season 3 starts?

 

I read Spring, 2013.

[southcarolina 166]

I read Spring, 2013.

 

That is a long f*cking time. What the hell am i supposed to do until then?

[parrot 789]

Question for the book readers:

 

How is the 4th book? I read mixed reviews on it.

 

I just finished the 3rd book which was great.

 

It probably gets a worse rap then it deserves, just due to following such a tough act, but it is a drop-off, no mistake. A lot more new characters and locales are introduced and some of the MAJOR characters are hardly mentioned, if at all. You need to read it if you plan to go on to the fifth book - and Martin did seem to start to get back in the groove there - but just don't expect it to live up to the first three.

[parrot 789]

Im guessing that Benjen is the king of the wildlings. I cant remember what it was exactly, but something Ygritte said to Jon Snow made me think the king was an outsider. And when Snow's captors found out who he was, they backed off him instantly.

 

 

She said "He used to be one of you Crows (Night's Watch)" or words to that effect.

[kutulu 1,678]

She said "He used to be one of you Crows (Night's Watch)" or words to that effect.

 

I'm thinking Ned was banging some wilding strange....nine months later, snow bastard

[southcarolina 166]

She said "He used to be one of you Crows (Night's Watch)" or words to that effect.

 

Yes. I knew it was something subtle, Something that really could have had tons of interpretations.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Re-watched the finale last night.

 

Best line that went overlooked:(Varys to Ros) "Littlefinger looks at you and sees a collection of profitable holes."

[edjr 6,598]

Re-watched the finale last night.

 

Best line that went overlooked:(Varys to Ros) "Littlefinger looks at you and sees a collection of profitable holes."

 

Isn't that what any good pimp would see?

[The Moz 69]

having read the books season 3 is going to good but season 4 -- not sure how they will play it or if they will combine books 4 and 5 for season 4.

[kutulu 1,678]

having read the books season 3 is going to good but season 4 -- not sure how they will play it or if they will combine books 4 and 5 for season 4.

 

 

The third book is being split up into seasons 3 and 4.

[Quickolas1 80]

having read the books season 3 is going to good but season 4 -- not sure how they will play it or if they will combine books 4 and 5 for season 4.

 

I don't think they know either. I remember seeing a snippet made during season 1 where the 2 producers said their goal was to keep things watchable for non-book readers and good enough to gain viewers so they could minimally have 3 seasons. Even back then, they were excited about getting to put a certain scene (you know what it is) from book 3 on camera.

 

I don't think anyone will like the Saw effect for books 4 and 5 (two movies/seasons split up but happening at the same time) and missing a lot of loved characters for a whole season. Then again, there's no way they can cut down 2 books into 1 season. Clearly it's been a challenge for a lot of great books (especially series of books) to translate from 1 book to 1 season/movie.

[Quickolas1 80]

The third book is being split up into seasons 3 and 4.

 

wow. if that's the case, this series could end up being 10 seasons when it's all said and done.

 

of course this also gives Martin more time to extend his writing of book 6

[kutulu 1,678]

The American fantasy TV series Game of Thrones was renewed for a third season by the U.S. cable channel HBO on 10 April 2012, nine days after the second season's premiere. Like the other seasons, the third season will consist of ten episodes. It will be based roughly on the first half of A Storm of Swords, the third of the A Song of Ice and Fire novels by George R. R. Martin, of which the series is an adaptation.

[frank 2,307]

having read the books season 3 is going to good but season 4 -- not sure how they will play it or if they will combine books 4 and 5 for season 4.

I bet there will be a season, maybe 2, that is book 4 mixed with the first half of book 5.

[TD Ryan2 316]

glad to hear they're making book 3 in 20 Episodes (2 seasons).

From what the readers have all said, book 3 is the best - HBO has to know/realize this too - so why rush/crush it all into 10 episodes? It's better for the viewers and for HBO to do it this way.

[OldMaid 2,130]

I bet there will be a season, maybe 2, that is book 4 mixed with the first half of book 5.

This is what I was thinking as well. It would be nice to see it play out on screen in chronological order.

[parrot 789]

 

I don't think anyone will like the Saw effect for books 4 and 5 (two movies/seasons split up but happening at the same time) and missing a lot of loved characters for a whole season. Then again, there's no way they can cut down 2 books into 1 season.

 

My guess would be that they will meld the storylines from books 4 and 5 and cover all the characters in a more linear fashion rather than following the book layout. I certainly hope so anyway, or a whole lot of their audience is going to be seriously confused and/or really pissed off.

[edjr 6,598]

wake me up in 6 years and I'll watch all the episodes on hbogo

[kutulu 1,678]

Just ordered the first four books in paperback for some summer reading. (Book # 4 not available for shipping till August).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at me, b1tches.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Just ordered the first four books in paperback for some summer reading. (Book # 4 not available for shipping till August).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at me, b1tches.

Yay! Mebbe by next season we won't have to put spoiler tags on everything for you b!tches!

 

 

 

 

[southcarolina 166]

Yay! Mebbe by next season we won't have to put spoiler tags on everything for you b!tches!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not buying the books. I wanna be surprised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh...b!tches.