I had to veto a trade last night (keeper league)

[southcarolina 166]

Then the commish takes each one of us to the restroom and holds our penises .

 

 

Ahhh.....a prison league. Nice.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Oh I get it, it's a joke hahahah well you got many people all riled up good work

[southcarolina 166]

Oh I get it, it's a joke hahahah well you got many people all riled up good work

 

 

 

Maintaining competitive balance is no joke. Its essential to a properly run league, and of paramount importance.

[ChiTownKev 0]

Good God, he was joking about vetoing draft picks. Now I'm convinced this is a joke thread.

 

NOW you're convinced? This whole thing is B.S.

 

Hell, he even said, "One of the better players involved in the trade isn't even playing," implying that the team getting rid of CJ would be getting the better end of the deal. But then he went on to say, "And it's a keeper league, thus you have to take ages into account. One side is getting a 25 and 23 year old in exchange for a 28 and 29 year old. Those are giant differences in a sport in which the average career is about 3.5 years," which implies just the opposite, that the team with the youth (the one getting rid of CJ) would be getting screwed.

 

Now, had the trade been Roddy White and Cedric Benson for Johnson and Harvin, instead of the other way around, it would be a completely different story. But as it stands, it should have been vetoed and therefore permissible. Had the converse been true, then the draft picks would have to be returned and the whole league disbanded.

 

Joke threads are fun.

[doughboys_2002 11]

I just wanted to troll on this thread so I could up my FF cred!

[Frank M 181]

My good friend Abdullah says Allah would be proud of this jihad.

[cavern 70]

sometimes smart people (like cbfalcon) have to protect dumb people from themselves. alot of you arguing for allowing the trade to go through probably think we shouldn't have cops either.

[Dr Hook 6]

No no no. I'm saying trades should only be vetoed for collusion. I never said this was a case of collusion.

 

Thus is clearly an idiotic veto and the commish should draft everyone's teams for them in the future. Or better yet, play in a league by himself

 

 

So your saying the commish should play with himself. That sounds about right

[Truck Jackson 0]

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 6,000 posts have even given an opinion Me, and cbfalcon (unless you count GFIAFP), who recommended you rename yourself "Brian Bozworth is Nuts".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 or 1000 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

 

Clearly the number of posts you've made, no matter how bad they all might have been, are what determines if you're opinion isn't ######. You must have had a party after you hit 1000 posts.

[tecklc2112 7]

I don't care enough to read through all 4 pages of this thread...And I'm sure this has already been said, but I'll say it too...

 

Big-time douche move on your part to veto this trade...As a commish, you have no business vetoing a trade unless OBVIOUS COLLUSION has taken place. It is not your job to tell someone what is/is not good for their team.

 

[Truck Jackson 0]

says the guy with 6 posts.

Says the guy with thousands of posts, I can only imagine how many of them were exactly like that one.

[KojackDaniels 5]

I wanna drink and inflate my post count too. I now have 7X the fantasy knowledge you do!!! Bow before me!!!

 

 

Yes...but I have 7x as much Tennessee Whiskey...which brings its own type of knowledge!

[phlegmish 4]

Chris Johnson and Percy Harvin for Roddy White and Ced Benson.

 

I'm not one for vetoing fair trades, or even trades where someone has a 60/40 edge, but this one wasn't even close. If Johnson was in camp, and he and Harvin were closer to the same age as Roddy and Benson, it would be a pretty fair trade. But with one guy's status in question, plus one side of the trade being skewed younger (it is a keeper league afterall), it wasn't the type trade I could allow through the cracks with a clear conscience.

 

The owners involved are pretty pisssed at me, but I gave them the option of reworking it so it's not so lopsided. It's frustrating that owners are already trying to pull these type maneuvers and we haven't even played a real game yet.

 

Don't think you're gonna find even one keeper/dynasty owner on your side in this. The commish MANAGES the league, not the owners in it. Every trade in my league has to be vetted by all owners once the two parties (or three) have agreed to it happening. We then vote on it as a group. No ONE person has veto rights.....EVER. Your opinion of this trade is equal to the opinion of any one other owner. Since two owners obviously think it fair you should be down 2-1.... with 9 (or 11 or xx) number of votes to come..

[southcarolina 166]

Man i love Collusion Thread Season.

[R8RMick 242]

I initially thought the trade was tilted in favor of the owner getting CJ, ESPECIALLY if it's a keeper league. I'm assuming you don't auction, but if you did I might see where salary differences could come into play.

 

You came here to vent, but it looks like you're getting abused like an ugly porn actress... I mean, with all your posts you HAD to know the reaction you'd get here. I don't begrudge you for goose stepping through your league. I mean, personally I wouldn't play in it if you served up strippers and beer at the draft.

 

But you had to know the reaction you'd get, and I think you've got the fishing pole out doing some serious trolling. That's f*cked, as I get a lot of good insight and perspective here, and take this place seriously. Wish you would.

[Brian Bozworth Fan Club 0]

We just have the commissioner create 12 individual teams he feels are equally competitive - and then we are assigned one randomly at the draft. No trades are allowed and starting lineups have already been pre-determined. Then the commish takes each one of us to the restroom and holds our penises so we don't pee on the seat.

 

 

A truly good and fair commissioner in a "keeper" league would require his leagues' members to sit down while they pissed. In a redraft league it doesn't matter.

[Phurfur 70]

sometimes smart people (like cbfalcon) have to protect dumb people from themselves. alot of you arguing for allowing the trade to go through probably think we shouldn't have cops either.

I don't want cops to arrest me for selling my own property. HTH

 

I don't want cops who create and enforce their own laws. HTH

[cavern 70]

I don't want cops to arrest me for selling my own property. HTH

 

I don't want cops who create and enforce their own laws. HTH

 

as long as your own property isn't something illegal, like crack, you'll probably be ok

[Kent 228]

It doesn't happen very often. But in my 6 years as a commish, I've maybe had to veto 4 or 5 draft picks.

 

People can have different opinions and whatnot, but if you let people do stupid things like draft 6th rounders in the 2nd, it'll throw off the competitive balance of the league. You need to have 12 teams that have a decent shot at the beginning of the season. Otherwise what's the point of a 12 team league?

 

Sounds like your league is too dumb to have Keeper rules. Get rid of it and start from scratch every draft like men.

 

Good luck with your league of extraordinary idiots.

[mobb_deep 920]

Sounds like your league is too dumb to have Keeper rules. Get rid of it and start from scratch every draft like men.

 

Good luck with your league of extraordinary idiots.

 

Would you let your mom trade me 20$ for 5$ back? there's more to life than fantasy football. Having a fun, balanced league, is more important than a couple bucks.

 

Trades like this are exactly why leagues have a commish.

[doughboys_2002 11]

Would you let your mom trade me 20$ for 5$ back? there's more to life than fantasy football. Having a fun, balanced league is more important than a couple bucks.

 

Trades like this are exactly why leagues have a commish.

I am the Commish of a keeper league and I don't tell people what players are worth. Everyone has there own evaluation of players value.

[tanatastic 2,062]

ur trade veto was awful. Sounds fine to me, and even if not.....UNLESS ITS CLEARLY CHEATING, LET THE TRADE GO THRU! Peoples meager opinions on players are worthless and we are mostly wrong by years end anyway. About everyone. CJ for brett favre? veto. Roddy for a kicker and hank baskett? veto. this trade was more than ok and in good faith should be reinstated and allowed.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

We just have the commissioner create 12 individual teams he feels are equally competitive - and then we are assigned one randomly at the draft. No trades are allowed and starting lineups have already been pre-determined. Then the commish takes each one of us to the restroom and holds our penises so we don't pee on the seat.

 

 

I have never seen the plural form of pen!s. It makes me laugh, but not in a ghey way.

[Dimenally 1]

sometimes smart people (like cbfalcon) have to protect dumb people from themselves. alot of you arguing for allowing the trade to go through probably think we shouldn't have cops either.

 

Cops protect us from other people. Cops don't show up at my house with a gun pointed at me telling me that I need to spit out the hotwings I just swallowed because it's going to give me heartburn and they need to protect me from myself. I choose to eat wings for the temporary enjoyment I get from them, even though I MAY pay the price later that night. If I don't get heartburn, there's nothing but upside for me. But it was an educated CHOICE.

 

Others have said it - if you feel so strongly that you need to play Mother Hen to some of your players, get rid of them and find people who don't need to have you hold the spoon for them as they eat their pureed hot dogs.

 

Of course, I think this is just a big joke anyway. Fun to see some of the posts, though.

[sketch27 1]

cbfalcon

 

you are one dumb piece of sh&t. I hope someone in that league kerosene's your house and torches every possession in it that allows you to participate in fantasy football. Have fun trying to manage a league and veto legitimate trades while trying to fight off hundreds of illegal immigrants that do nothing but spend citizen tax dollars and continuously clog up the 6 computers at your local library.

 

Chris Johnson and Percy Harvin are both extremely risky RB1 and WR2's to have on your team right now. You got one who thinks because they had one excellent season that he deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL; and the other who can go from top flight receiver to bed ridden migraine patient in less than an hour. To the contrary, Roddy White and Cedric Benson are as consistent of a WR1 and RB2 you'll find the past 2 years.

 

I know our country has been infected with the illness of socialism, but your rambling is like the stage III cancer of communism. Go get curb stomped, move to China and become a fantasy badminton commissioner.

[doughboys_2002 11]

cbfalcon

 

you are one dumb piece of sh&t. I hope someone in that league kerosene's your house and torches every possession in it that allows you to participate in fantasy football. Have fun trying to manage a league and veto legitimate trades while trying to fight off hundreds of illegal immigrants that do nothing but spend citizen tax dollars and continuously clog up the 6 computers at your local library.

 

Chris Johnson and Percy Harvin are both extremely risky RB1 and WR2's to have on your team right now. You got one who thinks because they had one excellent season that he deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL; and the other who can go from top flight receiver to bed ridden migraine patient in less than an hour. To the contrary, Roddy White and Cedric Benson are as consistent of a WR1 and RB2 you'll find the past 2 years.

 

I know our country has been infected with the illness of socialism, but your rambling is like the stage III cancer of communism. Go get curb stomped, move to China and become a fantasy badminton commissioner.

Tried way too hard and fell way too short...

[jgcrawfish 232]

That makes sense. Joining an already established dynasty league can be difficult sometimes when some teams are set up as very strong contenders for the long haul. Even if you do a very admirable job of rebuiling your team, you could be stuck in a spot where you can never pass the truly elite teams.

 

The problem with the commish doing that is, where do you draw the line? The commish can't just pick and choose which trades he deems fair and which ones he doesn't. If he was that good at trade evaluating then he would never lose. I think you either need to replace bad owners, or live with the fact that there may always be the "haves" and "have nots" in dynasty leagues.

 

well put. i guess some of my viewpoint is born out of exactly what you say, I do my best to manage my team and still can't get over the hump because idiots make trades that I can't even begin to comprehend.

[cbfalcon 825]

well put. i guess some of my viewpoint is born out of exactly what you say, I do my best to manage my team and still can't get over the hump because idiots make trades that I can't even begin to comprehend.

 

Those trades would never have gone through in my leagues. And as a result, you'd be having more fun in my league. Which is the sole point of fantasy football.

[pwtrash 0]

I think the part you guys are failing to think about is that this is a keeper league. The ages of everyone have to be taken into account also. It's not just a trade for now, it's potentially a trade for forever.

 

Leagues where unfair trades are allowed to go through just become a race to see who can screw the least knowledgeable owners quickest. Gotta have some checks and balances to keep everything legit. Right?

 

No, I run a keeper league. Vetos should be to prevent collusion, and they should require agreement from a majority of the other owners. the Commish should never veto a trade without consulting with other owners. Did you at least ask another owner who you trust before making this decision?

 

Chris Johnson could possibly lose the entire season, maybe even two. Benson might get suspended. Either could blow up. Roddy is a sure thing - or is he, with Jones in the mix? Harvin - who knows? In a keeper league especially, folks are willing to take risk.For some reason, you're pretty certain you know what the future holds.

 

Have you won your league every year of its existence? Have you hit on every single one of your sleepers and avoided getting hit by unexpected injury or poor performance? Unless those answers are yes, then you should never veto a trade because you think you know exactly how those players will perform, especially when reasonable people could think otherwise.

 

I've made mistakes before as a commish. I've even acted like a jerk before. The best strategy is to change your position, call the owners and apologize, be open about your mistake to the rest of the league, and then learn from it. you'll gain a lot more respect by changing your mind and doing the right thing than sticking by a poor decision at all costs.

[Kanil 520]

Chris Johnson and Percy Harvin for Roddy White and Ced Benson.

 

I'm not one for vetoing fair trades, or even trades where someone has a 60/40 edge, but this one wasn't even close. If Johnson was in camp, and he and Harvin were closer to the same age as Roddy and Benson, it would be a pretty fair trade. But with one guy's status in question, plus one side of the trade being skewed younger (it is a keeper league afterall), it wasn't the type trade I could allow through the cracks with a clear conscience.

 

The owners involved are pretty pisssed at me, but I gave them the option of reworking it so it's not so lopsided. It's frustrating that owners are already trying to pull these type maneuvers and we haven't even played a real game yet.

Only read this post. You're an idiot commish and your league should vote you out.

[pwtrash 0]

Those trades would never have gone through in my leagues. And as a result, you'd be having more fun in my league. Which is the sole point of fantasy football.

 

You're right - fantasy football is about fun. It is fun.

 

You know what isn't fun? Spending several days engineering your way out of a very volitile, high-risk situation (Johnson/Harvin) into a much lower-risk, lower-upside situation and then being told "You can't" because one owner is convinced - moreso than NFL analysts - that CJ2K will play and have another great season. That's no fun.

 

BTW, I would never take Harvin as more than a WR3. Way too inconsistent. I might be wrong in my judgment, but this is at least a reasonable position.

[TimHauck 2,877]

Well I guess this thread does illustrate one point: please read the entire thread before replying.

[Reality 3,121]

4 pages, not bad.

 

[FeelingMN 273]

Somewhere, KSB2424 is smiling.

[cbfalcon 825]

4 pages, not bad.

 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

I think the part you guys are failing to think about is that this is a keeper league. The ages of everyone have to be taken into account also. It's not just a trade for now, it's potentially a trade for forever.

 

Leagues where unfair trades are allowed to go through just become a race to see who can screw the least knowledgeable owners quickest. Gotta have some checks and balances to keep everything legit. Right?

Scared owner withouy enough confidence in his own strategy. If you are that concerned about the lifetime of a keeper then put a 2 year limit on it. Wow not smart at all. AT ALL

[schmitty34 2]

Well I guess this thread does illustrate one point: please read the entire thread before replying.

 

Seriously!! I was just about to post something in all caps, large font, and bolded that clearly exposed this thread for what it was, and then start an official counter of how many more poeple blindly spewed venom at the OP for being and idiot...all the while not realizing they were the one that "didn't get it".

[mobb_deep 920]

So somebody in my league proposed to let me use Orton week 1 (Manning is hurt) and I let him use one of my RB's next week when he needs help. Is this a normal thing that can be done? Anybody have any experience on these things or opinions? It's just kinda new to me and i'm wondering if this type of thing is legit....

[Gladiators 1,990]

So somebody in my league proposed to let me use Orton week 1 (Manning is hurt) and I let him use one of my RB's next week when he needs help. Is this a normal thing that can be done? Anybody have any experience on these things or opinions? It's just kinda new to me and i'm wondering if this type of thing is legit....

 

Absolutely legit. C'mon, look at your post count...You need to ask these types of questions? The only time it gets a little hairy is when you are playing the guy. Do the right thing and make it as fair as possible.

[southcarolina 166]

So somebody in my league proposed to let me use Orton week 1 (Manning is hurt) and I let him use one of my RB's next week when he needs help. Is this a normal thing that can be done? Anybody have any experience on these things or opinions? It's just kinda new to me and i'm wondering if this type of thing is legit....

 

 

Is one of the guys you would be trading back Joe Webb? Cuz if so then its not fair at all, and could possibly roon fantasy football for everytone, everywhere.