***Official Seattle Seahawks Thread 2012***

[Kopy 571]

My official prediction.

Seattle wins 35 - 13

 

Leon Washington returns a kick to the house.

And Browner has a pick 6. I don't think they'll try to throw at Sherman. And maybe even try to pick on Browner to see if he's rusty. He'll make them pay once.

[Groundhog 24]

My official prediction:

Seattle 19, Washington 16 (2OT). A classic in which Kai Forbath misses two potential game-winning field goals in OT before Hauschka finally delivers. It is a fact that in prior Super Bowl-bound seasons by the Hawks (ok, it was only one, but still), we take advantage of a terrible game by an NFC East kicker, so we are overdue on that front.

[mobb_deep 920]

Add me to the Seahag bandwagon! FLY ALL THE WAY TO THE SB HAGS!!!!

[Joey Gladstone 33]

28-14 Seattle.

 

Thomas and Browner get picks. Clemons has two sacks. Lynch gets 100 and a TD. 250 and 3 total TD's for Wilson. Chancellor knocks Garcon out of the game.

[Lackman 0]

I don't know if others prefer the QB thread, but I'd like to condense any future topics into one location, as a filing cabinet of sorts, for the most passionate fan base this message bored has evah seen. We need rotating subtitles, I'm around quite a bit, until I get banned of course, so I felt I needed to start this thread, whether I end up the only one posting in it remains to be seen. We should get to around 50 pages by July at latest. Draft day weekend will be a drunken mess. We will be fighting with all the mouthbreathing fans of other teams. And Walter Payton still has AIDS.

 

Well, let's look all the way back to the opening thread...

 

Rotating subtitles? Check.

 

50 pages by July? Nope. But 40 pages by January ain't too shabby.

 

Draft day weekend drunken mess? Check.

 

Fighting with all mouthbreathing fans of other teams? Check.

 

Walter Payton still has AIDS. You betcha. Check.

[Portis26 0]

24-20 Skins is a close one

We go up 4 with 1:09 on clock -

Wilson gets to bout the Skins 30 and they run out of time no Hail Marys tate is tacked in bounds to end game

[Lackman 0]

24-20 Skins is a close one

We go up 4 with 1:09 on clock -

Wilson gets to bout the Skins 30 and they run out of time no Hail Marys tate is tacked in bounds to end game

 

You left out the part where I throw my TV out the living room window and then set my neighborhood on fire.

[devouredbychaos 0]

Seahawks fans bring the lulz. I hope for your sake that the Redskins don't win, because I am gonna bump the focking hell out of this thread for the next few months if they lose.

[devouredbychaos 0]

28-17 Redskins

 

Sherman, Browner, and Lynch all get suspended for testing positive for PEDs right before game time. They blame it on Lynch this time, saying they ate some of his Skittles. Wilson comes out flat and the Seachickens look like the road team they've been all season. Morris goes for 110 and 2 tds and RG3 has a field day with their secondary with the 2 cheaters gone.

 

[FlaHawker 24]

Seahawks fans bring the lulz. I hope for your sake that the Redskins don't win, because I am gonna bump the focking hell out of this thread for the next few months if they lose.

Hey Idiot--this thread has 40 pages---it never leaves the front page. But I guess you are too dull to realize this. Like Lackman said, "You are as sharp as a bowl of oatmeal." God help your offspring.

[FlaHawker 24]

Robert Griffin and Russell Wilson engage in an epic battle of rookie QBs. Both are studs. Both have quality running games. In the end, the Seahawk defense is the better defense and should be the difference in the game. DangeRuss leads the Hawks on a late TD drive, a 9 yard toss to Zach Miller, to pull out a close and exciting win for the Hawks-- 24-20!

 

The Hawks then head to Atlanta to play the soft Falcons!!

[devouredbychaos 0]

Hey Idiot--this thread has 40 pages---it never leaves the front page. But I guess you are too dull to realize this. Like Lackman said, "You are as sharp as a bowl of oatmeal." God help your offspring.

 

Ah I see you've resorted back to the 13 year old name calling. I guess I should've expected that from a Seahawks fan.

[FlaHawker 24]

Ah I see you've resorted back to the 13 year old name calling. I guess I should've expected that from a Seahawks fan.

Because I called you idiot? Well, if the shoe fits...

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Ah I see you've resorted back to the 13 year old name calling. I guess I should've expected that from a Seahawks fan.

 

But bumping "the focking hell" out of this thread if Seattle loses is mature? Makes sense.

[FlaHawker 24]

Gotta love the experts!

 

 

As you might imagine, some of the initial post-draft reactions were a bit off-target. Do not worry, mistaken draft analysts. You've got company:

 

Tony Pauline, SI.com: "The Seahawks made another questionable decision, tabbing Wilson in the third frame. Wilson is destined to sit behind newly-signed Matt Flynn and will struggle to see the field at any point over the next three years."

 

Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports: "The Seahawks spent a third-round pick on Wilson even though the history of QBs under 6-foot is poor, to say the least. You don't spend a third-round pick on a guy who'll be lucky to be Seneca Wallace. You also don't do that after signing Matt Flynn as a free agent. The Seahawks are no closer to solving the QB situation now than they were before 2011."

Pete Prisco, CBSSports.com: "Why does Seattle take him? They paid Matt Flynn and have two others. Strange pick."

 

Joseph Fell, Cold Hard Football Facts: "Just as soon as Seahawks fans began to shell out their hard-earned money for jerseys with Flynn’s name on the back, Carroll once again demonstrated his flair for the dramatic by announcing that Wilson would be the Seahawks’ starting quarterback this fall. This experiment will prove a disaster. … Starting Wilson will most likely lead to another wasted season, and this move may be the one that leads owner Paul Allen to fire Carroll."

 

Wes Bunting, National Football Post: "Wilson is a plus athlete who can spin the football and gives you a nice run/pass threat. However he's undersized, is going to struggle to consistently make plays from the pocket and is still learning how to work his way through defenses. He is worth a pick late, but I don't see the guy as a potential starter in the NFL. Reserve only."

 

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: "Russell Wilson is a great test case for shorter QBs, because he has everything else, but did they need him in the third round after grabbing Matt Flynn to come in and likely start?"

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/87588/wrong-on-wilson-hey-i-liked-ryan-leaf

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Gotta love the experts!

 

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/87588/wrong-on-wilson-hey-i-liked-ryan-leaf

 

Nice. I know they are forced to write these post-draft columns prematurely, but they might wan't to tone down the dooshiness of some of their opinions.

 

Schneider and Carroll, building a powerhouse their way.

[Lackman 0]

Gotta love the experts!

 

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/87588/wrong-on-wilson-hey-i-liked-ryan-leaf

 

You missed...

 

phillybear, world reknown draft guru, "great, the Seahawks just drafted Peter Dinklage to be the quarterback of the future".

[devouredbychaos 0]

Nice. I know they are forced to write these post-draft columns prematurely, but they might wan't to tone down the dooshiness of some of their opinions.

 

Schneider and Carroll, building a powerhouse their way.

 

Powerhouse?! Now that is hilarious.

[uwmalcolm 74]

Powerhouse?! Now that is hilarious.

Not as hilarious as you hanging out in this thread

[The Next Generation 10]

Gotta love the experts!

 

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: "Russell Wilson is a great test case for shorter QBs, because he has everything else, but did they need him in the third round after grabbing Matt Flynn to come in and likely start?"

 

Kiper wasn't wrong (at least with this quote). You just don't know how good they could have been with Flynn. Maybe they start more quickly and win the division? Don't get me wrong, I really like Wilson, but he was a luxury when they had Flynn in-house already. Not even the Seahawks brass expected Wilson to start right away when they drafted him.

[CapnJB 0]

A pretty cool video

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[Groundhog 24]

Powerhouse?! Now that is hilarious.

 

There are three tools at any GM's disposal, and how well they use those tools dictates the fortunes of the team. The draft, trades, and free agency.

 

The Jets elected to trade up for Sanchez, and then signed veteran free agents to complement him. They made it to two conference championship games, lost, those veterans are either a step slow or gone, they have no cap room to speak of, and their window has shut. That team needs to blow itself up and start over. They are still on the way down and it will be 2016 before they can even sniff competitiveness.

 

The Seahawks blew everything up when Carroll and Schneider arrived. With the exception of Trufant, and Clemons, they went with youth virtually across the board. Their philosophy at QB was to take half-steps on trades or free agency, but not to break the bank. Whitehurst cost them a 3rd rounder and a swap of 2nd rounders - a terrible player, but the move made less terrible given that the capital used on him was not massive. TJax was a medium-priced option who also did not pan out. Flynn was a little higher in the $7-8m range per season, but not eight digits. By comparison Sanchez is going to count $17 million against the cap next year for the Jets. Trading for Lynch, which cost them just a 5th rd pick, was genius in retrospect. Clemons cost them Darryl Tapp and a 5th rounder, and we never hear about Tapp anymore.

 

The real breakthrough has been in the lower rounds of the draft and undrafted free agents. Schneider and Carroll seem to have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough, even as their higher draft picks have been spottier. For example:

 

Browner: UFA

Chancellor: 5th rd

Sherman: 5th rd

Jeremy Lane: 6th rd

Turbin: 4th rd

KJ Wright: 4th rd, made Curry expendable (drafted by Ruskell, not Carroll/Schneider)

 

A few hits in the higher rounds:

Unger - 2nd rd - Pro Bowler

Okung - 1st rd - Pro Bowler

Thomas - 1st rd - Pro Bowler

Wagner - 2nd rd - great rookie season

 

Of course, a few misses so far:

Carpenter - 1st rd - disappointing

Irvin - 1st rd - disappointing for the most part, aside from the Packers game.

 

The Seahawks have an extremely young team, one of the youngest in the league. They now have weapons at QB (Wilson), WR (Tate has broken out this year, which was a huge shock b/c a lot of people were writing him off as a bust), RB (Lynch), DE (Clemons), and across the board in the secondary. They still need a deep threat who isn't a medical risk like Rice, they need a bigger weapon at TE, more speed at LB, and they need a better pass rusher at DT. That's pretty good. Most teams would kill to be stocked with talent on the rise like this team has.

[Kopy 571]

" The Seahawks have an extremely young team, one of the youngest in the league. They now have weapons at QB (Wilson), WR (Tate has broken out this year, which was a huge shock b/c a lot of people were writing him off as a bust), RB (Lynch), DE (Clemons), and across the board in the secondary. They still need a deep threat who isn't a medical risk like Rice, they need a bigger weapon at TE, more speed at LB, and they need a better pass rusher at DT. That's pretty good. Most teams would kill to be stocked with talent on the rise like this team has. "

 

That is actually my top 3 wish list for this years draft.

WR

Pass rusher

TE

 

A stud WR to go with Rice and Baldwin would be huge. Then we can use Tate as a #4 reciever, mr. everything man. Line him up all over the field, at all 3 positions, 4 wide, rb, even as a gimmick player.

Versatility would be the key for him.

 

Another pass rusher, nuff said.

 

And another TE. Carroll loves his 2 TE sets. But in order to be able to use 2 TE's effectively. You need 3 quality bodies to do it.

[Kopy 571]

Does anyone have an idea of our FA's and RFA's for this year.

I'd be really curious to see how we stand.

From what I remember:

Robinson at FB (This dude deserves more than a 1 year deal this time).

Tate is I think RFA??? Should be resigned.

Jones DT

Branch DT

[FlaHawker 24]

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: "Russell Wilson is a great test case for shorter QBs, because he has everything else, but did they need him in the third round after grabbing Matt Flynn to come in and likely start?"

 

Kiper wasn't wrong (at least with this quote). You just don't know how good they could have been with Flynn. Maybe they start more quickly and win the division? Don't get me wrong, I really like Wilson, but he was a luxury when they had Flynn in-house already. Not even the Seahawks brass expected Wilson to start right away when they drafted him.

Oh you mean Matt Flynn of the one 6 TD performance against the sorry ass Lions? Look Matt Flynn is backup who cashed in on one performance against a crappy Lions team. The Seahawks could not go into the season with TJAX at QB. There was no guarentee they get Wilson in the draft so the paid Flynn as a precaution. And Wilson then promptly destroyed him in the head to head competition. The team would not be 11-5 with Matt Flynn. The Seahawks DID expect Wilson to start. That is the theme of the program.

[Lackman 0]

And Wilson then promptly destroyed him in the head to head competition.

 

Um, that did not happen. Flynn played very, very well in the preseason and based on the level of opponent and depth chart each played against, it's very debatable who won the preseason competition.

 

Flynn handily outplayed Wilson in training camp reps. Wilson was an interception machine.

[devouredbychaos 0]

There are three tools at any GM's disposal, and how well they use those tools dictates the fortunes of the team. The draft, trades, and free agency.

 

The Jets elected to trade up for Sanchez, and then signed veteran free agents to complement him. They made it to two conference championship games, lost, those veterans are either a step slow or gone, they have no cap room to speak of, and their window has shut. That team needs to blow itself up and start over. They are still on the way down and it will be 2016 before they can even sniff competitiveness.

 

The Seahawks blew everything up when Carroll and Schneider arrived. With the exception of Trufant, and Clemons, they went with youth virtually across the board. Their philosophy at QB was to take half-steps on trades or free agency, but not to break the bank. Whitehurst cost them a 3rd rounder and a swap of 2nd rounders - a terrible player, but the move made less terrible given that the capital used on him was not massive. TJax was a medium-priced option who also did not pan out. Flynn was a little higher in the $7-8m range per season, but not eight digits. By comparison Sanchez is going to count $17 million against the cap next year for the Jets. Trading for Lynch, which cost them just a 5th rd pick, was genius in retrospect. Clemons cost them Darryl Tapp and a 5th rounder, and we never hear about Tapp anymore.

 

The real breakthrough has been in the lower rounds of the draft and undrafted free agents. Schneider and Carroll seem to have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough, even as their higher draft picks have been spottier. For example:

 

Browner: UFA

Chancellor: 5th rd

Sherman: 5th rd

Jeremy Lane: 6th rd

Turbin: 4th rd

KJ Wright: 4th rd, made Curry expendable (drafted by Ruskell, not Carroll/Schneider)

 

A few hits in the higher rounds:

Unger - 2nd rd - Pro Bowler

Okung - 1st rd - Pro Bowler

Thomas - 1st rd - Pro Bowler

Wagner - 2nd rd - great rookie season

 

Of course, a few misses so far:

Carpenter - 1st rd - disappointing

Irvin - 1st rd - disappointing for the most part, aside from the Packers game.

 

The Seahawks have an extremely young team, one of the youngest in the league. They now have weapons at QB (Wilson), WR (Tate has broken out this year, which was a huge shock b/c a lot of people were writing him off as a bust), RB (Lynch), DE (Clemons), and across the board in the secondary. They still need a deep threat who isn't a medical risk like Rice, they need a bigger weapon at TE, more speed at LB, and they need a better pass rusher at DT. That's pretty good. Most teams would kill to be stocked with talent on the rise like this team has.

 

So you've got a great defense and an average offense, that's not exactly powerhouse material. Tate has been a bust, whether you think so or not. A couple TDs over a few weeks span doesn't change that. He hasn't done much of anything in his NFL career. Wilson has been good, but does he regress next year? It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[Groundhog 24]

So you've got a great defense and an average offense, that's not exactly powerhouse material. Tate has been a bust, whether you think so or not. A couple TDs over a few weeks span doesn't change that. He hasn't done much of anything in his NFL career. Wilson has been good, but does he regress next year? It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

Football Outsiders has the Seahawks as the best offense in the league over the regular season. Rush offense #1, Pass offense #4, Overall #1.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

So you've got a great defense and an average offense, that's not exactly powerhouse material. Tate has been a bust, whether you think so or not. A couple TDs over a few weeks span doesn't change that. He hasn't done much of anything in his NFL career. Wilson has been good, but does he regress next year? It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

 

You're a focking dunce.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Um, that did not happen. Flynn played very, very well in the preseason and based on the level of opponent and depth chart each played against, it's very debatable who won the preseason competition.

 

Flynn handily outplayed Wilson in training camp reps. Wilson was an interception machine.

 

I have to agree here. I thought Flynn looked pretty good during the preseason. Nothing flashy, but still pretty sharp against 1st string D's.

[FlaHawker 24]

I have to agree here. I thought Flynn looked pretty good during the preseason. Nothing flashy, but still pretty sharp against 1st string D's.

Flynn is what he is-- a backup. And he will be on a new team next year. Let's put the Flynn talk to bed.

[FlaHawker 24]

So you've got a great defense and an average offense, that's not exactly powerhouse material. Tate has been a bust, whether you think so or not. A couple TDs over a few weeks span doesn't change that. He hasn't done much of anything in his NFL career. Wilson has been good, but does he regress next year? It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Go play in focking traffic.

[edjr 6,608]

Can't wait to see gungho college coach petsey wetsey to fold like a broken cack once again when it comes to crunch time.

[Kent 228]

As a Skins fan I still always appreciate the Seattle fanbase. Top 5 fans in the league.

 

I'm going to be at the game tomorrow. Good luck Seattle. Hoping its a good game.

[Houston Texans 10]

Football Outsiders has the Seahawks as the best offense in the league over the regular season. Rush offense #1, Pass offense #4, Overall #1.

How did that determine that?

 

I don't find anything strange about the rush offense; they are damn good on the ground. I wouldn't have been surprised to see their pass offense ranked in the top 10, b/c it's better than most think, but 4 seems high to me. Since your cited Football Outsiders, I'm going to assume this is not a traditional ranking.

 

Seattle has a very good team. If they had managed to win their division, I'd give them a much better chance at the SB. I'm not sure they can win 3 straight road games to get to the big game. As much as I hate to say it, I think they'll beat my Redskins tomorrow (though I'd love to be wrong), but I think they'll have some trouble with a road game in GB, Atl or SF.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

As a Skins fan I still always appreciate the Seattle fanbase. Top 5 fans in the league.

 

I'm going to be at the game tomorrow. Good luck Seattle. Hoping its a good game.

 

Nice! Have fun at the game

[Saint Elistan 106]

Football Outsiders has the Seahawks as the best offense in the league over the regular season. Rush offense #1, Pass offense #4, Overall #1.

 

27th in Pass Yards & Yards / Game

4th in Pass Yards / Attempt

T-8th in Pass TDs

4th in Interceptions

T-9th Sacks Allowed

5th in Passer Rating

 

Very good, yardage aside - don't need it with the run game. But top 5 overall? Naaaah.

 

Good luck tomorrow, Seafags. Here's to an injury free game for both parties.

 

Rather not have to put myself through another SF-SEA game this year, but if it happens, so be it!

[RoadLizard 73]

Football Outsiders has the Seahawks as the best offense in the league over the regular season. Rush offense #1, Pass offense #4, Overall #1.

 

And who exactly are the football outsiders and why do they matter? Look, Seattle has a solid young team that has the potential to be competitive for a while. I wouldn't get the anointing oil out just yet as Parcells says. I wouldn't place them all in canton just yet either. Lets see them win a ROAD playoff game against a great team. Well all talk after today's game to see if there is anything to even talk about. If they just look mediocre and get beat badly, then it's just the same old Seabags.

[Blitzen 0]

So you've got a great defense and an average offense, that's not exactly powerhouse material. Tate has been a bust, whether you think so or not. A couple TDs over a few weeks span doesn't change that. He hasn't done much of anything in his NFL career. Wilson has been good, but does he regress next year? It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

I don't buy that the Seahawks have the 4th best passing offense but Wilson has been able to do enough to get 1st downs and enough TDs to win. He started off slow but he's been picking it up. I don't think too many teams are licking their chops thinking of playing them.

 

And I would actually be very surprised if Wilson regresses next year. He may never be a Pro Bowler but he looks very bright and will likely be able to keep managing games quite well.

[devouredbychaos 0]

 

You're a focking dunce.

 

Just telling you the truth kid.