Self Defense Killing in Florida...Geeks got an opinion?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I did learn something today though. In my 36 years on this earth I had never ever heard the term White-Latino before. That is a new one to me. Still not 100% sure what it means, but I now have heard of it.

Latinos are automatically promoted to white when they kill a black person. Makes things easier.

[BudBro 185]

Why does everything in Florida get blow out of proportion? I didn't think much of the Casey Anthony case when I first heard about it locally and was surprised when the national media went nuts over it.

 

This case got big even faster. I figured it would just be another random shooting story that you hear and forget about. But no.... Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up within a week pretending it's the 1950's and the media hype is in full swing.

 

 

Is the rest of the nation starved for news stories?

debbie wasserman-schultz is from florida and is the head of the dnc. she's on the take also from the fleecing of the taxpayers. any chance she can get to incite some hysteria....

[DankNuggs 305]

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Also Monday, an attorney for Martin's mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son's name: "Justice for Trayvon" and "I Am Trayvon." The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qLMJZf7Z"

 

 

Umm, eye witness says Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, kid was only in the neighborhood because he was suspended for being a thug...

 

 

Proving there are two sides to every story...

[nikki2200 4]

 

Umm, eye witness says Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, kid was only in the neighborhood because he was suspended for being a thug

 

link?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

link?

I have already linked the story with the quotes from the eyewitness.

[DankNuggs 305]

link?

That witness is why Zimmerman wasn't arrested...

[drobeski 3,061]

I did learn something today though. In my 36 years on this earth I had never ever heard the term White-Latino before. That is a new one to me. Still not 100% sure what it means, but I now have heard of it.

It's the new fandagled non biased media, any minute now that will be refering to Obama as a white-African American.

[Mungwater 601]

link?

 

Just go to CNN, it's all over the place

[nikki2200 4]

It's the new fandagled non biased media, any minute now that will be refering to Obama as a white-African American.

 

I would like to know at what point Hispanics stopped being white? Apparently they still are according to the census bureau.

 

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

 

Also he is half Latino.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I would like to know at what point Hispanics stopped being white? Apparently they still are according to the census bureau.

 

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

 

Also he is half Latino.

Oops!

 

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf

 

ETA: This is from your link

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (

[drobeski 3,061]

I would like to know at what point Hispanics stopped being white? Apparently they still are according to the census bureau.

 

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

 

Also he is half Latino.

You would think a philly fan would be used to losing.

[DankNuggs 305]

I would like to know at what point Hispanics stopped being white? Apparently they still are according to the census bureau.

 

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

 

Also he is half Latino.

'Hispanic or Latino origin' is pretty common in todays hyper-racially sensitive society...

 

 

Half latino? LOL come on now... You trying to stoke racial flames where there aren't any? Always searcing for an angle...

[nikki2200 4]

That witness is why Zimmerman wasn't arrested...

 

As far as I know, there is no witness to how the fight started or who the aggressor was. I have never seen anyone except Zimmerman say that Trayvon "jumped" him.

 

Also from the article you posted:

 

The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear.

[Strike 6,032]

As far as I know, there is no witness to how the fight started or who the aggressor was. I have never seen anyone except Zimmerman say that Trayvon "jumped" him.

 

Also from the article you posted:

 

Trayvon hasn't denied it either.

 

[DankNuggs 305]

As far as I know, there is no witness to how the fight started or who the aggressor was. I have never seen anyone except Zimmerman say that Trayvon "jumped" him.

 

Also from the article you posted:

Non eye witnesses say they heard screaming and thought it was Treyvon

 

the singular eye witness 'John' saw Treyvon on top of Zimm beating the crap out of him, with Zimm crying for help.. John went upstairs to call 911, looked out his window and say Treyvon lying in the grass dead...

[nikki2200 4]

Oops!

 

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf

 

ETA: This is from your link

 

Um yea.... they break that out as a sub-group, but they are counted in the population of WHITES and then there are sub-categories for White (non-hispanic) and hispanics. They are of European decent just like we are. Their skin is a little darker, that doesn't mean they aren't WHITE.

[drobeski 3,061]

As far as I know, there is no witness to how the fight started or who the aggressor was. I have never seen anyone except Zimmerman say that Trayvon "jumped" him.

 

Also from the article you posted:

Differ from what Martins parents said bozo

[nikki2200 4]

'Hispanic or Latino origin' is pretty common in todays hyper-racially sensitive society...

 

 

Half latino? LOL come on now... You trying to stoke racial flames where there aren't any? Always searcing for an angle...

 

His father is white - what you all would consider white, like us.

 

I don't get what you are saying. I was just stating a fact.

[drobeski 3,061]

His father is white - what you all would consider white, like us.

 

I don't get what you are saying. I was just stating a fact.

Why do you hate white peoples ? It's not our fault your dad is blowing a black dude.

[kutulu 1,724]

His father is white - what you all would consider white, like us.

 

I don't get what you are saying. I was just stating a fact.

 

You libs are always trying to group us whites together.

[DankNuggs 305]

His father is white - what you all would consider white, like us.

 

I don't get what you are saying. I was just stating a fact.

The media wants Zimm as a white to play out this racial profiling/victimization angle... You don't see your statement as a rationalization to fit their preconceived storyline?

 

 

This guy was tried and convicted in the media immediately, even before the evidence came out, with no mention of calmer heads prevailing...

[nikki2200 4]

You libs are always trying to group us whites together.

 

[nikki2200 4]

The media wants Zimm as a white to play out this racial profiling/victimization angle... You don't see your statement as a rationalization to fit their preconceived storyline?

 

 

This guy was tried and convicted in the media immediately, even before the evidence came out, with no mention of calmer heads prevailing...

 

I see my statement as saying that Zimmerman's father is white. The real kind of white. Not the fake kind like the Latino white. Probably why his last name is Zimmerman. But apparently that's just rationalizing. Maybe he's actually from Mars. He could be green, but it's just a big ole media cover up.

 

As to your second point, I never said otherwise. And I have a lot of posts in this thread. Because no one knows how the fight actually started, and I find it suspect that a guy with a gun who was following and stalking a kid walking home from the store was actually a victim here, I think this thing deserved to go to trial in a real live court and not in the media.

[MDC 8,085]

This guy was tried and convicted in the media immediately, even before the evidence came out, with no mention of calmer heads prevailing...

 

I honestly can't tell how this thing played out. If I had to guess, Zimmermann was following Martin and said something to him, Martin said something less polite back and kept walking, Zimmermann tried to physically stop Martin, got punched for it, drew his weapon and fired. That's just a guess. I wasn't there and I can't say.

 

What I find amazing though, is that one man can follow an unarmed minor and ultimately shoot him dead without being arrested - that is IMO pretty incredible.

[DankNuggs 305]

I see my statement as saying that Zimmerman's father is white. The real kind of white. Not the fake kind like the Latino white. Probably why his last name is Zimmerman. But apparently that's just rationalizing. Maybe he's actually from Mars. He could be green, but it's just a big ole media cover up.

 

As to your second point, I never said otherwise. And I have a lot of posts in this thread. Because no one knows how the fight actually started, and I find it suspect that a guy with a gun who was following and stalking a kid walking home from the store was actually a victim here, I think this thing deserved to go to trial in a real live court and not in the media.

I have no issue with it going to court, but i also don't believe its racial bias as to why he hasn't been charged...

 

The media circus of a white chief of police stepping down temporarily in a sideshow for a black temp chief of police is just politics... No police has been charged or accused of acting inappropriately... They just used the BP public relations strategy of putting 'the black guy' as the apologetic spokesman...

[DankNuggs 305]

I honestly can't tell how this thing played out. If I had to guess, Zimmermann was following Martin and said something to him, Martin said something less polite back and kept walking, Zimmermann tried to physically stop Martin, got punched for it, drew his weapon and fired. That's just a guess. I wasn't there and I can't say.

 

What I find amazing though, is that one man can follow an unarmed minor and ultimately shoot him dead without being arrested - that is IMO pretty incredible.

The story would be an unarmed man assaulted an armed man, and the armed man used lethal force in protecting himself...

 

From what i read Zimm followed the kid in his SUV, got out of his SUV confronted the kid, as he was getting back into his SUV the kid incited the argument/altercation that caused them to struggle on the grass, at some point the guy pulled out his gun and shot him...

 

 

I have no problem with as serious an investigation as necessary to determined justice being served. Clearly the two sides of the story are very different into how this took place...

[MDC 8,085]

The story would be an unarmed man assaulted an armed man, and the armed man used lethal force in protecting himself...

 

From what i read Zimm followed the kid in his SUV, got out of his SUV confronted the kid, as he was getting back into his SUV the kid incited the argument/altercation that caused them to struggle on the grass, at some point the guy pulled out his gun and shot him...

 

 

I have no problem with as serious an investigation as necessary to determined justice being served. Clearly the two sides of the story are very different into how this took place...

 

I have a really, really hard time believing that Zimmermann got out of his SUV, initiated a non-physical confrontation, then Martin followed him back to his SUV and physically attacked him. And even if this version of events were true, I have a hard time believing it was necessary to use lethal force.

 

Again, not saying I really understand what happened here but it's incredible to me that Zimmermann stalked and shot / killed an unarmed minor - the only things we know for sure - and may not even have to stand trial to explain his version of events. That's just nuts.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Memo to the world: Just because two people of different skin colors have an arguement/altercation doesn't mean it is based on that skin color. Why in the world do people immediately jump to that conclusion (race)?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Oh Holy Spit!

 

Morons on Capital Hill are taking testimony during a forum, or somesuch dog and pony show, with Sheila Jackson Lee and the black Congressman who talks like he swallowed 400 qualudes. This should go well.

[Strike 6,032]

Memo to the world: Just because two people of different skin colors have an arguement/altercation doesn't mean it is based on that skin color. Why in the world do people immediately jump to that conclusion (race)?

 

Generally speaking only the blacks do, so you might want to address this at Peenie.

[parrot 790]

I have a really, really hard time believing that Zimmermann got out of his SUV, initiated a non-physical confrontation, then Martin followed him back to his SUV and physically attacked him. And even if this version of events were true, I have a hard time believing it was necessary to use lethal force.

 

Again, not saying I really understand what happened here but it's incredible to me that Zimmermann stalked and shot / killed an unarmed minor - the only things we know for sure - and may not even have to stand trial to explain his version of events. That's just nuts.

 

Those may be the only things WE know for sure, but there apparently were witnesses. It may be that, based on witness testimony, the police are satisfied that Zimmerman was in fact acting in self-defense. If that's the case, there is no reason he should be arrested.

[Little Rusty 19]

Also Monday, an attorney for Martin's mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son's name: "Justice for Trayvon" and "I Am Trayvon." The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs.

 

Most likely to be manufactured & distributed by George Soros & Co.

[phillybear 366]

I have a really, really hard time believing that Zimmermann got out of his SUV, initiated a non-physical confrontation, then Martin followed him back to his SUV and physically attacked him. And even if this version of events were true, I have a hard time believing it was necessary to use lethal force.

 

Again, not saying I really understand what happened here but it's incredible to me that Zimmermann stalked and shot / killed an unarmed minor - the only things we know for sure - and may not even have to stand trial to explain his version of events. That's just nuts.

 

Clearly, a freshly broken nose and bloody lumps on a head from bouncing off a sidewalk were pre-existing conditions.

[MDC 8,085]

Those may be the only things WE know for sure, but there apparently were witnesses. It may be that, based on witness testimony, the police are satisfied that Zimmerman was in fact acting in self-defense. If that's the case, there is no reason he should be arrested.

 

I guess that's possible. I still have a hard time imagining a scenario where a bloody nose warrants a bullet in the chest. Drawing his weapon didn't deter Martin's fists of fury? The whole story is a mess. I hope something happening behind the scenes explains how this was handled. The most depressing part is the involvement of the Sharpton / NAACP types on the one hand, and the backlash from race-baiters and bigots in reply.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Serious question. If a White-African American, that would be an albino or a person of mixed race like say an Obama. If an albino or an obama shot and killed a black guy would that be considered a hate crime?

 

Or actually let me ask it a differnet way.

 

If NewbieJr. (Orange - European American) shot and killed a white guy, is that a hate crime?

[MDC 8,085]

Clearly, a freshly broken nose and bloody lumps on a head from bouncing off a sidewalk were pre-existing conditions.

 

I don't doubt that Martin hit Zimmermann, what I doubt is that he initiated the physical confrontation and that lethal force was necessary. Also, the claim that Zimmerman's nose was broken isn't something I've read anywhere - he had a bloody nose but didn't seek any medical treatment that I know of.

[Little Rusty 19]

Obummer is fifty / fitty yet everybody says he's black

[parrot 790]

I guess that's possible. I still have a hard time imagining a scenario where a bloody nose warrants a bullet in the chest. Drawing his weapon didn't deter Martin's fists of fury? The whole story is a mess. I hope something happening behind the scenes explains how this was handled. The most depressing part is the involvement of the Sharpton / NAACP types on the one hand, and the backlash from race-baiters and bigots in reply.

 

There are reports that Martin was on top of him and beating his head off the sidewalk. It's possible that Zimmerman pulled it from the holster and shot him without Martin ever even being aware he was armed.

 

Agree with you completely on the last point. Lots of opportunism going on here. It would be nice if we could have an investigation and then people could make up their minds, rather than vice versa.

[kutulu 1,724]

Serious question. If a White-African American, that would be an albino or a person of mixed race like say an Obama. If an albino or an obama shot and killed a black guy would that be considered a hate crime?

 

Or actually let me ask it a differnet way.

 

If NewbieJr. (Orange - European American) shot and killed a white guy, is that a hate crime?

 

I would still hate you and all the other libs ruining America.

[Strike 6,032]

I don't doubt that Martin hit Zimmermann, what I doubt is that he initiated the physical confrontation and that lethal force was necessary. Also, the claim that Zimmerman's nose was broken isn't something I've read anywhere - he had a bloody nose but didn't seek any medical treatment that I know of.

 

He didn't go to the hospital that night but reportedly did go get treatment the next day. Don't know if it was for a broken nose.