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Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

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  1. 1. Is Zimmerman Guilty of Murder (in YOUR mind)?

    • Yes, he murdered that boy.
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    • No, he acted in self defense.
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    • Guilty of manslaughter (or involuntary manslaughter).
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100% honesty right here, since when are hoodies signs of a thug or criminal behavior???

hoodies are for athletes or people that work out, never someone who might beat you up.

i never knew a hoodie struck fear in anyone until the trayvon martin case.

Maybe you and the black community should be more concerned about this:

 

In 513 Days Between Trayvon Shooting and Zimmerman Verdict, 11,106 Blacks Murdered by OTHER BLACKS

 

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/65527-in-513-days-between-trayvon-shooting-and-zimmerman-verdict-11106-blacks-murdered-by-other-blacks/

 

 

 

Just sayin...

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All GZ had to do was show him the gun and nothing happens

That's usually referred to as "brandishing a firearm" and is highly illegal in most jurisdictions.

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here is my other uncle's take (former los angeles police officer):

 

at least one person of color agrees with you all.

 

Holy crap Peenie. I didn't know you were related to Bill Cosby!!!

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That's usually referred to as "brandishing a firearm" and is highly illegal in most jurisdictions.

MDC Matthews produced a whole lotta fayle in this thread. :D

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Maybe you and the black community should be more concerned about this:

 

 

i already fully know that black on black crime/murder is high. it's a sad fact.

however, the issue here was that zimmerman was not even held by the police even though trayvon carried no weapon.

there would have been no investigation if not for public outcry.

in the end, he was found not guilty so in some way perhaps the police made the right decision.

i think that it's not up to the police to decide, it's up to the courts.

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i already fully know that black on black crime/murder is high. it's a sad fact.

however, the issue here was that zimmerman was not even held by the police even though trayvon carried no weapon.

there would have been no investigation if not for public outcry.

in the end, he was found not guilty so in some way perhaps the police made the right decision.

i think that it's not up to the police to decide, it's up to the courts.

It's up to the DA if charges are to be filed, and they rely on the police as to whether to believe a shooting is self defense.

 

In the Zimmerman case, there was an investigation. His gun was taken, the scene was taped off, and he was brought to the police station. The police believed Zimmerman's self defense story, and the local DA declined to press charges.

 

Another example:

 

http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/132807258.html

 

A citizen who pursued an armed robber and fatally shot him last week in south Minneapolis acted in self-defense and will not face criminal charges, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman announced Friday.

 

The man who killed Darren Evanovich last week was not identified to protect his safety and the integrity of the investigation, a Minneapolis police spokesman said. Police had turned over the case to the county attorney, who said the confrontation between Evanovich and the citizen occurred after a series of robberies this month outside a strip mall on E. Lake Street.

On Oct. 20, the man saw Evanovich pistol-whip a woman and take her purse. The witness, who had a permit to carry a handgun, drove up to Evanovich and asked for the purse back. Evanovich pointed his gun at the man and told him to mind his own business, and the man, still sitting in his car, aimed his own weapon and fired, according to a criminal complaint.

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I can't wait until that fat girl writes a book

She could get somebody else to write it but she couldn't read it.

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It's up to the DA if charges are to be filed, and they rely on the police as to whether to believe a shooting is self defense.

 

In the Zimmerman case, there was an investigation. His gun was taken, the scene was taped off, and he was brought to the police station. The police believed Zimmerman's self defense story, and the local DA declined to press charges.

 

Another example:

 

http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/132807258.html

 

Your example sucks.

 

The dead guy in that story had just committed a violent crime; whereas Travon Martin was simply walking home from the minimart.

 

The dead guy in that story was armed with a firearm and aimed it at somebody. Travon Martin was armed with Skittles and an iced tea for his little brother.

 

I could go on, but you get the point.

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Your example sucks.

 

The dead guy in that story had just committed a violent crime; whereas Travon Martin was simply walking home from the minimart.

 

The dead guy in that story was armed with a firearm and aimed it at somebody. Travon Martin was armed with Skittles and an iced tea for his little brother.

 

I could go on, but you get the point.

I was giving another example of a DA declining to charge a shooter.

 

Obviously this case was far more open and shut than the Zimmerman case, but claiming that these cases "are up to the courts" is just not true.

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Your example sucks.

 

The dead guy in that story had just committed a violent crime; whereas Travon Martin was simply walking home from the minimart.

 

The dead guy in that story was armed with a firearm and aimed it at somebody. Travon Martin was armed with Skittles and an iced tea for his little brother.

 

I could go on, but you get the point.

Is assault not a violent crime ? :dunno:

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i already fully know that black on black crime/murder is high. it's a sad fact.

however, the issue here was that zimmerman was not even held by the police even though trayvon carried no weapon.

there would have been no investigation if not for public outcry.

in the end, he was found not guilty so in some way perhaps the police made the right decision.

i think that it's not up to the police to decide, it's up to the courts.

Zimmerman was "held by the police". He was cuffed, stuffed, and hauled in. There is videotape available of him getting out of a police car if you care to look. Then there was an "investigation"; they gathered what forensic evidence was available, interviewed any witnesses they could find, and questioned Zimmerman. Again, there is videotape available if you doubt it. You can not like what occurred, that's your right, but you don't get to rewrite history, sorry.

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Zimmerman was "held by the police". He was cuffed, stuffed, and hauled in. There is videotape available of him getting out of a police car if you care to look. Then there was an "investigation"; they gathered what forensic evidence was available, interviewed any witnesses they could find, and questioned Zimmerman. Again, there is videotape available if you doubt it. You can not like what occurred, that's your right, but you don't get to rewrite history, sorry.

 

But the media did not highlight any of these facts, so no one is really clued into them. I swear, the media is the most divisive entity in our society right now, they feast on fear, drama and strife, and where it does not exist....they simply fabricate it.

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But the media did not highlight any of these facts, so no one is really clued into them. I swear, the media is the most divisive entity in our society right now, they feast on fear, drama and strife, and where it does not exist....they simply fabricate it.

FOX News covered it. :dunno:

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i already fully know that black on black crime/murder is high. it's a sad fact.

however, the issue here was that zimmerman was not even held by the police even though trayvon carried no weapon.

there would have been no investigation if not for public outcry.

in the end, he was found not guilty so in some way perhaps the police made the right decision.

i think that it's not up to the police to decide, it's up to the courts.

Trayvon's weapon was the concrete that he used to bash Zimmerman's head. Other than a gun shot woundthe only other brusing on Trayvon was found on his knuckles which were used to beat on Zimmerman. The punk got what he deserved. He ws going to end up in jail eventually. Zimmerman simply saved our tax payer dollars.

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Trayvon's weapon was the concrete that he used to bash Zimmerman's head. Other than a gun shot woundthe only other brusing on Trayvon was found on his knuckles which were used to beat on Zimmerman. The punk got what he deserved. He ws going to end up in jail eventually. Zimmerman simply saved our tax payer dollars.

but flawhawker, just try to think outside what you've already concluded:

trayvon is walking home, minding his own business.

zimmerman, not wearing a police outfit, not wearing a security guard outfit, not wearing any sort of uniform at all, not giving any indication of who he was, follows trayvon.

think about that for a second....

it's dark, it's raining, zimmerman is a big fat man.

he is following trayvon in a such a manner that trayvon notices and calls him creepy.

trayvon picks up his pace and zimmerman follows.

trayvon then tells rachel, "that ni99a is still following me."

a friendly person might yell from a distance, "security, what are you doing here?"

clearly zimmerman didn't do that, or else rachel would've heard that and besides, zimmerman never stated that he identified who he was.

rachel said that trayvon asked zimmerman, "why are you following me?"

rachel heard zimmerman respond "what are you doing here?"

now, i don't what happened after that because all rachel said was that the phone seemed to fall to the ground or drop.

does that mean that zimmerman hit trayvon?

i don't know, but zimmerman's story of trayvon hiding in the bushes seems really unlikely since the boy was running home, by zimmerman's own words.

all i know is that if trayvon felt threatened has a right to fight against what he saw was a threat.

we've seen time and time again that kids get stolen and kidnapped.

i'm sure you may have said to yourself, "if only they fought to get away."

here it is, trayvon fought what he thought was his attacker and yet you and society call him a punk!

trayvon wasn't trying to rob zimmerman, right?

so why else would trayvon hit zimmerman other than because zimmerman hit him first or because trayvon thought he was a dangerous person.

you all must not know that black men are targeted all the time for robberies.

i don't know what was going through trayvon's mind, but i'm sure he only wanted to get home.

yes, trayvon did beat up zimmerman's face, but according to the the pictures, they were on the grass, not the concrete.

i just think you all are believing every single word zimmerman says and i don't find him to be completely credible.

do you really think that trayvon said, "you got me!" after zimmerman shot him??

that's a line out of an old 1930's cagney movie!

that's not the lingo of a teenage black kid.

"you're going to die tonight!" that's b.s.!

trayvon had no weapon so why would he make such a statement.

trayvon was a skinny young man, not a big bouncer who could over power zimmerman.

 

just because zimmerman was neighborhood security does mean he was neighborhood police officer.

trayvon did not owe zimmerman any explanation or deference.

we're not going back to the days when blacks were supposed answer whites humbly just because they were questioned.

zimmerman: what are you doing here?

trayvon: why boss, i'm just a goin home. don't mind me, i'm just goin as fast as i can, does you need somethin' boss??

 

on that note, let me add one more thing:

i personally believed that oj simpson was guilty of murdering nicole and whathisname.

however, the jury found him not guilty.

the public didn't like it, too bad.

the same for this verdict.

the jury made their decision.

we should not double guess the jury.

i found it distasteful back then, i find it distasteful today.

we may not like it, but honestly, if zimmerman acted within the law, we cannot dispute that.

i support the jury's not guilty verdict based on the evidence they were given.

we don't have a video tape of what happened and until that time we really shouldn't double guess the jury, imo.

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Al Sharpton should be arrested for inciting riots. :mad:

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but flawhawker, just try to think outside what you've already concluded:

trayvon is walking home, minding his own business.

zimmerman, not wearing a police outfit, not wearing a security guard outfit, not wearing any sort of uniform at all, not giving any indication of who he was, follows trayvon.

think about that for a second....

it's dark, it's raining, zimmerman is a big fat man.

he is following trayvon in a such a manner that trayvon notices and calls him creepy.

trayvon picks up his pace and zimmerman follows.

trayvon then tells rachel, "that ni99a is still following me."

a friendly person might yell from a distance, "security, what are you doing here?"

clearly zimmerman didn't do that, or else rachel would've heard that and besides, zimmerman never stated that he identified who he was.

rachel said that trayvon asked zimmerman, "why are you following me?"

rachel heard zimmerman respond "what are you doing here?"

now, i don't what happened after that because all rachel said was that the phone seemed to fall to the ground or drop.

does that mean that zimmerman hit trayvon?

i don't know, but zimmerman's story of trayvon hiding in the bushes seems really unlikely since the boy was running home, by zimmerman's own words.

all i know is that if trayvon felt threatened has a right to fight against what he saw was a threat.

we've seen time and time again that kids get stolen and kidnapped.

i'm sure you may have said to yourself, "if only they fought to get away."

here it is, trayvon fought what he thought was his attacker and yet you and society call him a punk!

trayvon wasn't trying to rob zimmerman, right?

so why else would trayvon hit zimmerman other than because zimmerman hit him first or because trayvon thought he was a dangerous person.

you all must not know that black men are targeted all the time for robberies.

i don't know what was going through trayvon's mind, but i'm sure he only wanted to get home.

yes, trayvon did beat up zimmerman's face, but according to the the pictures, they were on the grass, not the concrete.

i just think you all are believing every single word zimmerman says and i don't find him to be completely credible.

do you really think that trayvon said, "you got me!" after zimmerman shot him??

that's a line out of an old 1930's cagney movie!

that's not the lingo of a teenage black kid.

"you're going to die tonight!" that's b.s.!

trayvon had no weapon so why would he make such a statement.

trayvon was a skinny young man, not a big bouncer who could over power zimmerman.

 

just because zimmerman was neighborhood security does mean he was neighborhood police officer.

trayvon did not owe zimmerman any explanation or deference.

we're not going back to the days when blacks were supposed answer whites humbly just because we're questioned.

zimmerman: what are you doing here?

trayvon: why boss, i'm just a goin home. don't mind me, i'm just goin as fast as i can, does you need somethin' boss??

 

All of your guesswork, innuendo, and hypothosis is nice and all.

 

The problem is that the trial has already happened. All the evidence has been presented. All the eyewitness testimony has been heard. A judge and jury has heard all the facts of the case and George Zimmerman was aquitted of any charges because they felt all those facts lent itself towards self defense. And pretty much most legal analyts including the procescution as they threw in a lesser charge as a hail mary seemed to see the writing on the wall as well.

 

We can sit here and spin it every which way we want, but justice was served. Just becuase it didn't fit to your preconcieved notions and bias you' think' happened doesn't mean it was wrong.

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All of your guesswork, innuendo, and hypothosis is nice and all.

 

The problem is that the trial has already happened. All the evidence has been presented. All the eyewitness testimony has been heard. A judge and jury has heard all the facts of the case and George Zimmerman was aquitted of any charges because they felt all those facts lent itself towards self defense. And pretty much most legal analyts including the procescution as they threw in a lesser charge as a hail mary seemed to see the writing on the wall as well.

 

We can sit here and spin it every which way we want, but justice was served. Just becuase it didn't fit to your preconcieved notions and bias you' think' happened doesn't mean it was wrong.

please note that i was not questioning the jury's verdict, but rather flahawker calling trayvon a punk and the attitude that trayvon got what he deserved.

 

you may have missed this as i added it after i re-read my post.

on that note, let me add one more thing:

i personally believed that oj simpson was guilty of murdering nicole and whathisname.

however, the jury found him not guilty.

the public didn't like it, too bad.

the same for this verdict.

the jury made their decision.

we should not double guess the jury.

i found it distasteful back then, i find it distasteful today.

we may not like it, but honestly, if zimmerman acted within the law, we cannot dispute that.

i support the jury's not guilty verdict based on the evidence they were given.

we don't have a video tape of what happened and until that time we really shouldn't double guess the jury, imo.

 

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i don't know what was going through trayvon's mind, but i'm sure he only wanted to get home.

 

You're not "sure" of any such thing. George Zimmerman is a runty, overweight, 30 year old guy. Trayvon was an athletic 17 year old, with a head start. Martin could have easily covered the 100 yards to his father's house without ever having to face, or say a word to, George Zimmerman.

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You're not "sure" of any such thing. George Zimmerman is a runty, overweight, 30 year old guy. Trayvon was an athletic 17 year old, with a head start. Martin could have easily covered the 100 yards to his father's house without ever having to face, or say a word to, George Zimmerman.

 

In all fairness, her "sure" is no more of a leap of faith than your assessment that Martin "could have easily covered the 100 yds".

 

Just sayin.

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In all fairness, her "sure" is no more of a leap of faith than your assessment that Martin "could have easily covered the 100 yds".

 

Just sayin.

How so?

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I am focking pissed that Trayvon Martin will never have to face the charges of attempted murder and criminal tresspassing. He got off easy by dying. Fock that faggut.

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That's usually referred to as "brandishing a firearm" and is highly illegal in most jurisdictions.

Not if your in fear of an offense against yourself. Brandishing is a preferred method of deterrent.

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I am focking pissed that Trayvon Martin will never have to face the charges of attempted murder and criminal tresspassing. He got off easy by dying. Fock that faggut.

 

I know this is sarcasm, but I still dont think he got off easy, just sayin.....

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please note that i was not questioning the jury's verdict, but rather flahawker calling trayvon a punk and the attitude that trayvon got what he deserved.

 

you may have missed this as i added it after i re-read my post.

See here's your problem. Don't take FlaHawker seriously. Just drop a black turd in it's doggie bowl.

 

Unlike FlaHawker, Trayvon never dropped out of school. FlaHawker isn't worth shining Trayvon's shoes. He should have gone to the store to fetch the black teenager an Ice Tea and Skittles and been grateful for the attention.

 

Toss a couple Skittles in it's mouth as a reward. Good job.

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I know this is sarcasm, but I still dont think he got off easy, just sayin.....

Sarcasm? Fock that. Trayvon Martin was a piece of sh!t that should be sitting in jail for the next 30 years instead of just getting chewed up by worms. Martin and his entire family were drug dealing pieces of spit. Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy. He didn't have to put up with being ass raped.

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Not if your in fear of an offense against yourself. Brandishing is a preferred method of deterrent.

Pulling with intent to shoot and not shooting is different than showing to prevent an altercation. I'm not telling you anything you don't know. Based on MDC's posts I assumed he meant the latter.

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http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-fired-employee-file-lawsuit-against-zimmerman-prosecutors-234312305.html

 

A former employee of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's office plans to file a whistleblower lawsuit against George Zimmerman's prosecutors, his attorney told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

The action will put pressure on Corey, who already faces criticism from some legal experts for the unsuccessful prosecution of the case, which led to the acquittal of Zimmerman for shooting unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution team.

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws.

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Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.

 

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See here's your problem. Don't take FlaHawker seriously. Just drop a black turd in it's doggie bowl.

 

Unlike FlaHawker, Trayvon never dropped out of school. FlaHawker isn't worth shining Trayvon's shoes. He should have gone to the store to fetch the black teenager an Ice Tea and Skittles and been grateful for the attention.

 

Toss a couple Skittles in it's mouth as a reward. Good job.

Before you go to bed at night, just think. I live in America. I make more money than you. I eat better dinners than you. I win :thumbsup:

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but flawhawker, just try to think outside what you've already concluded:

trayvon is walking home, minding his own business.

zimmerman, not wearing a police outfit, not wearing a security guard outfit, not wearing any sort of uniform at all, not giving any indication of who he was, follows trayvon.

think about that for a second....

it's dark, it's raining, zimmerman is a big fat man.

he is following trayvon in a such a manner that trayvon notices and calls him creepy.

trayvon picks up his pace and zimmerman follows.

trayvon then tells rachel, "that ni99a is still following me."

a friendly person might yell from a distance, "security, what are you doing here?"

clearly zimmerman didn't do that, or else rachel would've heard that and besides, zimmerman never stated that he identified who he was.

rachel said that trayvon asked zimmerman, "why are you following me?"

rachel heard zimmerman respond "what are you doing here?"

now, i don't what happened after that because all rachel said was that the phone seemed to fall to the ground or drop.

does that mean that zimmerman hit trayvon?

i don't know, but zimmerman's story of trayvon hiding in the bushes seems really unlikely since the boy was running home, by zimmerman's own words.

all i know is that if trayvon felt threatened has a right to fight against what he saw was a threat.

we've seen time and time again that kids get stolen and kidnapped.

i'm sure you may have said to yourself, "if only they fought to get away."

here it is, trayvon fought what he thought was his attacker and yet you and society call him a punk!

trayvon wasn't trying to rob zimmerman, right?

so why else would trayvon hit zimmerman other than because zimmerman hit him first or because trayvon thought he was a dangerous person.

you all must not know that black men are targeted all the time for robberies.

i don't know what was going through trayvon's mind, but i'm sure he only wanted to get home.

yes, trayvon did beat up zimmerman's face, but according to the the pictures, they were on the grass, not the concrete.

i just think you all are believing every single word zimmerman says and i don't find him to be completely credible.

do you really think that trayvon said, "you got me!" after zimmerman shot him??

that's a line out of an old 1930's cagney movie!

that's not the lingo of a teenage black kid.

"you're going to die tonight!" that's b.s.!

trayvon had no weapon so why would he make such a statement.

trayvon was a skinny young man, not a big bouncer who could over power zimmerman.

 

just because zimmerman was neighborhood security does mean he was neighborhood police officer.

trayvon did not owe zimmerman any explanation or deference.

we're not going back to the days when blacks were supposed answer whites humbly just because they were questioned.

zimmerman: what are you doing here?

trayvon: why boss, i'm just a goin home. don't mind me, i'm just goin as fast as i can, does you need somethin' boss??

 

on that note, let me add one more thing:

i personally believed that oj simpson was guilty of murdering nicole and whathisname.

however, the jury found him not guilty.

the public didn't like it, too bad.

the same for this verdict.

the jury made their decision.

we should not double guess the jury.

i found it distasteful back then, i find it distasteful today.

we may not like it, but honestly, if zimmerman acted within the law, we cannot dispute that.

i support the jury's not guilty verdict based on the evidence they were given.

we don't have a video tape of what happened and until that time we really shouldn't double guess the jury, imo.

Interesting fairy tale.

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I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. - Booker T. Washington 1911

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I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. - Booker T. Washington 1911

This reminds me of the helpfulness Pakistan's military provided in the hunt for bin Laden. They certainly liked 'looking for him' and all the money it provided, but 'finding him' was out of the question. No way.

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Some idiot radio DJ offered that crapper busting fattie that repeatedly lied under oath a college scholarship. Never mind that she's illiterate, retarded, and is nearly 20 years old and attending high school. Are you kidding me?

 

Then the juror and publisher that wanted to publish a book got bullied out of it; meanwhile Trayvon's mother copyrighted the image of her dead son and is making mad money selling merchandise. It's all so focking horrific.

 

There are dopes running the streets, crying about stand your ground, even though that was never used in the trial. These sh!tbag protestors never watched a second of the trial, but are rioting for the sake of rioting. It's like winning a sports championship, but the opposite. But you still get to riot and burn sh!t and hit people in the head with hammers. :overhead:

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Then the juror and publisher that wanted to publish a book got bullied out of it; meanwhile Trayvon's mother copyrighted the image of her dead son and is making mad money selling merchandise. It's all so focking horrific.

 

 

 

Not to suggest you are being untruthful, but can you source that assertion?

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I have not really followed this case as intensely as you guys. The reason being that the whole media/sharpton overblown coverage of the trial/incident made me sick. Obviously Trayvon Martin would be alive today if Zimmerman did'nt profile him. He didn't deserve to die. Based on Florida laws Zimmerman was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The whole incident was just a tragic event caused by split second bad decisions made in the heat of a confrontation.

 

But what gets me annoyed is that blacks getting profiled and killed by non-blacks is not a common problem in our society. As a matter of fact, I doubt it happens at all. This was an ISOLATED occurance.

 

A common occurance is blacks getting shot by blacks. In some instances very young blacks. I happen to see the results of these shootings on an almost nightly basis where I work. As much as I like to rile up BLS about guns, it's not a gun problem. It's a black culture problem. It's a glorification of guns and gangs in the black community. Until black leaders, entertainers and athletes start speaking out, the problem will persist. I would love for Obama to make a speech chastising the black community for focusing on this Zimmerman case instead of taking steps to improve their own community. From what i have read, I don't think I would particularly like Zimmerman if I met him but to read tweets from Athletes hinting that he should be shot is focking disgusting. Instead of wasting your money on bling. try spending it in the ghetto to give these kids something to do or spend it on staff for a community center. Staff that may be able to teach these kids the right path. These athletes that have 6 kids with 5 mothers are part of the problem. Zimmerman is not the problem. Zimmerman is just someone you are blaming for your own failures.

 

The fact is that if there was not so much killing and crime glorification n the black community, then guys like Zimmerman would not be profiling blacks as criminals.

 

I see too much senseless death and I never want to get to the point where i am totally numb to it but i am heading that way. Rant over.

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