Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 8, 2014 For those that somehow are still giving him a pass........ http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/ Both the fiance and the NFL are idiots to stick with him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted September 8, 2014 Wow. He couldn't wait to get in the elevator to hit her a crack. Looks to me like it wasn't his first time. Came kinda natural. Wonder how he treated the co-eds he was banging at Rutgers. Does he get a statue too? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEWPOSTERGUY! 267 Posted September 8, 2014 - fockin punk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 8, 2014 Those with a domestic violence charge already against them should beat Ray Rice's a$$ as well. Now any of their 'baby mamas' can get whatever they want or they call the cops. 2nd offense brings the Ban Hammer for life. Those players will have to roll over to avoid losing their career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted September 8, 2014 What a dumbass. She clearly didn;t like what he had to say, gave him a shot so he punches her, she gets pissed and comes at him, he drops her. If nothing else he is exceptionally stupid, full season ban, yeah, I think so.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 8, 2014 And she married him a month later... If she didn't care, we shouldn't neither... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted September 8, 2014 Sad . Rice is not a friend of mind . He was not even on any of my draft sheets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 816 Posted September 8, 2014 I can't stand women who don't listen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted September 8, 2014 What a d-bag. Can he get additionaly suspended for this? Or is it kind of a case-closed sort of thing once he got the 2 games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted September 8, 2014 Bernie Pierce was ineffective, the wife slayer should be a solid start come week 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 8, 2014 She has him by the short and curlies now. If he farts near her, she can just call the po-po and he'll never step foot on a NFL field again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AintNoStoppinMeNow 68 Posted September 8, 2014 I understand prior rules and agreements but the fact that Josh Gordon is out for the season and Ray Rice is out for 2 games is a travesty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted September 8, 2014 What a d-bag. Can he get additionaly suspended for this? Or is it kind of a case-closed sort of thing once he got the 2 games? you dont think the NFL saw this ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted September 8, 2014 you dont think the NFL saw this ? Well obviously. But wasn't the reason that he was suspended for 2 games was for hitting her? Doesn't this do no more then confirm it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2014 I'd love to see Goodell's face the first time he watched it. I don't know what was worse. The knockout or the casual dragging of the carcass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted September 8, 2014 I'd love to see Goodell's face the first time he watched it. THAT would have been priceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted September 8, 2014 I'd love to see Goodell's face the first time he watched it. I don't know what was worse. The knockout or the casual dragging of the carcass. Her feet just laying there in the door's path, him seeming only casually concerned that it might close on her Yeah he should've gotten a much worse suspension. I'd say minimum six games, maybe more like the whole year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted September 8, 2014 And at what a frigging moron Roger Cossack is: Double jeopardy means that you cannot be tried twice for the same crime by the same jurisdiction. In the case of Ray Rice, it means that the Ravens running back cannot be put in jeopardy, a criminal prosecution, for punching his then fiancée. Even if the prosecutor tried to use different charges it would not be allowed if the underlying facts are the same. So, double jeopardy does apply and Rice cannot be charged again in the case. The NFL cannot increase Rice's punishment by claiming the league did not know the seriousness of what Rice did. First, who didn't know that Rice punched Palmer while in the elevator? Did anyone really think she fainted? Second, the punishment has already been decided both in court and by the NFL and partially served by Rice. If the NFL or the Ravens tried to increase the punishment by claiming they didn't know how what he did, they would lose in court. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11486837 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,383 Posted September 8, 2014 If Rice's suspension isn't increased, there is NO way Gordon comes back this year. After the general public has seen this, it would be a PR nightmare for the NFL to toy with suspensions and not increase Rice's.The outcry based on pure emotion will be enough for the NFL to not decrease any suspensions. If legally they cannot increase Rice's suspension, Gordon is done for the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted September 8, 2014 If Rice's suspension isn't increased, there is NO way Gordon comes back this year. After the general public has seen this, it would be a PR nightmare for the NFL to toy with suspensions and not increase Rice's.The outcry based on pure emotion will be enough for the NFL to not decrease any suspensions. If legally they cannot increase Rice's suspension, Gordon is done for the year. A fair point. What a corner they are painted into here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMilk 40 Posted September 8, 2014 I understand prior rules and agreements but the fact that Josh Gordon is out for the season and Ray Rice is out for 2 games is a travesty. Absolutely. The two clearly aren't related, but it makes the Gordon suspension seem absurd. Hopefully this plays into the I going NFLPA negotiations on that issue. Rotoworld reporting that the NFL HAD NOT seen the video (hard to believe, willful blindness perhaps?) and can "re-open" the case against Rice. I bet both Rice and his wife made statements to the league that are totally contradicted by the video. That may be the hook the NFL can use to jack up the suspension. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted September 8, 2014 If Rice's suspension isn't increased, there is NO way Gordon comes back this year. After the general public has seen this, it would be a PR nightmare for the NFL to toy with suspensions and not increase Rice's.The outcry based on pure emotion will be enough for the NFL to not decrease any suspensions. If legally they cannot increase Rice's suspension, Gordon is done for the year. I don't know if the CBA says something about not revisiting suspensions, but double jeopardy sure as hell doesn't apply Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted September 8, 2014 With this video how was he not brought up on charges? Is it purely because she forgave him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GS3K 12 Posted September 8, 2014 She has to press charges. The only way the state can press charges is an extreme circumstance like if he had used weapons or if he would have caused her really serious bodily harm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTL99 34 Posted September 8, 2014 Got him in a few leagues. He paid his dues. Let's goooo Ray, it's FF time now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted September 8, 2014 Got him in a few leagues. He paid his dues. Let's goooo Ray, it's FF time now. How so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted September 8, 2014 I don't know if the CBA says something about not revisiting suspensions, but double jeopardy sure as hell doesn't apply I don't thin DJ applies either, BUT I think Rice could easily get a court injunction for any additional suspension handed down by Goodell at this point based on the underlying principles. So I don't think his suspension THIS YEAR will be any more than the two games already handed down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 8, 2014 How so? He skinned his knuckles on her jaw. Good thing it wasn't his ball carrying hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect 207 Posted September 8, 2014 The only way the state can press charges is an extreme circumstance like if he had used weapons or if he would have caused her really serious bodily harm. FYI, This is 100% untrue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Fiend 38 Posted September 8, 2014 Looks like this isn't over quite yet. http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/294303/report-nfl-could-re-open-case-vs-ray-rice NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says the NFL had not seen the video of Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiancee in a New Jersey elevator when it suspended Rice two games for domestic violence. A new video was leaked Monday that showed Rice and then-fiancee (now wife) Janay Palmer in a New Jersey hotel casino elevator. Rice throws a left hook to Palmer's face, knocking her out cold before dragging her limp body out of the elevator. Multiple media outlets have suggested that the NFL could re-open the case against Rice. He's eligible to return to the team on Friday, following the Ravens' Week 2 game on Thursday night. Commissioner Roger Goodell could hand down further discipline. Rice is lucky he isn't in jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe the NFL can swap Gordon's one year ban with Rice's 2 game suspension. Rice gets one year Gordon Serves 2 games Win WIn for everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Fiend 38 Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe the NFL can swap Gordon's one year ban with Rice's 2 game suspension. Rice gets one year Gordon Serves 2 games Win WIn for everyone +1 That would work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTL99 34 Posted September 8, 2014 How so? Not saying it's right, but according to the league rules, he is serving his 2 game suspension which is his punishment. Story over. Time to move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,814 Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe the NFL can swap Gordon's one year ban with Rice's 2 game suspension. Rice gets one year Gordon Serves 2 games Win WIn for everyone This is by far the best idea the bored may have ever had. <--------Gordon owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOKIEZ 34 Posted September 8, 2014 Is justin forsett a must add now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law 220 Posted September 8, 2014 Looks like this isn't over quite yet. http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/294303/report-nfl-could-re-open-case-vs-ray-rice Commissioner Roger Goodell could hand down further discipline. Rice is lucky he isn't in jail. FF, this is PURE speculation and opinion of Rotoworld. They have a very bad habit of intermixing fact with their opinion. Personally, I fail to see or understand how the video changes anything. They know she was hit and knocked out before the video. Seeing the video does not change that fact. A suspension of 2 games was the precident set by previous instances. Once he felt the heat, Our Feerless Leader changed that precident going forward to be 6 games and then a year minimum. But previous instances had been two games. Seeing or not seeing the video does not change the facts as they were already known - namely, he hit her, knocked her out, and dragged her out of the elevator. NONE of which is changed by now seeing a video. (Damn auto-correct on iPad!) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted September 8, 2014 FF, this is PURE speculation and opinion of Rotoworld. They have a very bad habit of intermixing fact with their opinion. Personally, I fail to see or understand how the video changes anything. They know whe was hot and knocked out before the video. Seeing the video does not change that fact. I suspension of 2 games was the precident set by previous instances. Once he felt the heat, Our Feerless Leader changed that precident going forward to be 6 games and then a year minimum. But previous instances had been two games. Seeing or not seeing the video does not change the facts as they were already known - namely, he hit her, knocked her out, and dragged her out of the elevator. NONE of which is changed by now seeing a video. Agree. The NFL knew that she was knocked unconscious during the incident. It doesn't matter if it was from a stiff jab or a Mike Tyson uppercut. The NFL isn't going to come back and say "Well we didn't know he hit her THAT HARD!" It does put the NFL in an uncomfortable PR situation. The can either play the we didn't see the video card. That is ridiculous considering the casino said they had handed over the video footage. They can say that the punishment fit the crime which doesn't add up. Damned either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tmr8188 2 Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe the NFL can swap Gordon's one year ban with Rice's 2 game suspension. Rice gets one year Gordon Serves 2 games Win WIn for everyone All would be right in and world. I'm pretty sure a leaked Josh Gordon getting high video would show him laughing hysterically to late night slap chop infomercials. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFLPA or someone close to them released this, to dial up pressure on the league to get a deal done to save face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GS3K 12 Posted September 8, 2014 FYI, This is 100% untrue. I guess it varies from state to state but typically if the witness doesn't cooperate you don't have much to go on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 8, 2014 I got this suspicion that the release of the video is coordinated due to the recent pressure. The fact that the NFL offices are saying they didn't see the video opens the door for potential revisit of the initial 2 game ban. Now Goodell have the right to dish out a far bigger punishment without any backlash. Whoever owns Rice needs to be prepare for a season long absence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
