Mike Honcho 5,297 Posted June 16, 2015 Donald Trump is officially running for president The first debate should just have a little tiny car pull up and all the candidates come out while circus music plays. Trump may have the support he’ll probably need to get on stage, but he doesn’t have anywhere to go from there. As FiveThirtyEight puts it, “Trump is the first candidate in modern presidential primary history to begin the campaign with a majority of his own party disliking him.” According to the websites’ number crunching, Trump’s 57 percent unfavorable rating among Republicans easily tops the previous most-disliked candidate, Pat Buchanan, who had a 43 percent unfavorable rating at this point in the 2000 election. (Buchanan would go on to run as an independent.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 723 Posted June 16, 2015 His first order of duty as President will be to get to the bottom of that birth certificate... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 16, 2015 What a cluster fock of a party. They will hammer each other, point out flaws, negative campaign against each other, all while Hillary sits back and laughs. Big to what the Republican party has become. The best candidate has no chance of coming out of that mess. Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 It's a publicity stunt. To stay relevant and in the news. Everyone knows this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,297 Posted June 16, 2015 His announcement, meanwhile, provided an easy set up for Democrats: "He adds some much-needed seriousness that has previously been lacking from the GOP field, and we look forward to hearing more about his ideas for the nation,” Holly Shulman, the Democratic National Committee's press secretary, deadpanned in a statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 16, 2015 Please, Sarah Palin announce. Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted June 16, 2015 What if this guy actually managed to get elected, should we be worried? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 What if this guy actually managed to get elected, should we be worried? There's a better chance you win the lottery and get struck by lightening on the same day. So, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted June 16, 2015 I would only vote if pail got the nom....... I am not voting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 16, 2015 I do feel that because Hillary will have the nomination in the bag for so long, that there is a fear that a real scandal to emerge is more likely than if she had to fight for it. Let's face it, the Clintons get themselves involved in a lot of shady situations. A right wing idealouge may win by default in that situation. That's the risk with Bill and Hill. Always was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artista 460 Posted June 16, 2015 Donald Trump is officially running for president The first debate should just have a little tiny car pull up and all the candidates come out while circus music plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 16, 2015 Order of who id vote for if I voted wich id never do. Hilary Trump Palin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted June 16, 2015 He doesn't have a chance, he is running on being the greatest job creator in history. Unfortunately America doesn't want jobs, the reaction of this board proves this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,608 Posted June 16, 2015 this proves what a complete joke the entire presidential election process is. if you vote you a complete donk for participating in this chicanery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,297 Posted June 16, 2015 Donald Trump: I Know How to Defeat ISIS But ‘I’m Not Gonna Tell’ Yet Van Susteren asked him exactly what that would be. Trump said, “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or, beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly.” He then added, “And I’m not gonna tell you what it is tonight.” Van Susteren stopped him and asked, “Why won’t you tell? We need all the help we can get!” Trump explained: “I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.” What a buffoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted June 16, 2015 this proves what a complete joke the entire presidential election process is. if you vote you a complete donk for participating in this chicanery. Says the guy who voted for a Community Organizer twice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted June 16, 2015 It's actually not that crazy. The economy has been dog sh!t for many years now with no sign of recovering any time soon. Maybe a business man instead of a career hack politician could cut through the crap and get things going. He's been bankrupt? So what? We owe out 100 trillion dollars. How much worse can it be. Trump is politically incorrect assh0le and will speak his mind; that would be extremely refreshing and endearing. Also, Rand Paul has his core Libertarian leaning base, so more candidates just dilute everybody else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 16, 2015 I was so hoping he would. This may be more fun than Sarah Palin was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 this proves what a complete joke the entire presidential election process is. if you vote you a complete donk for participating in this chicanery. I don't understand this post. What does an American Citizen deciding to enter a campaign have to do with the process in and of itself? I actually think that is pretty cool. Just because I don't personally "like" Trump the person doesn't make the process wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted June 16, 2015 What a focking tool. Makes me sick his wife is so freaking hot too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted June 16, 2015 It's actually not that crazy. The economy has been dog sh!t for many years now with no sign of recovering any time soon. Maybe a business man instead of a career hack politician could cut through the crap and get things going. He's been bankrupt? So what? We owe out 100 trillion dollars. How much worse can it be. Trump is politically incorrect assh0le and will speak his mind; that would be extremely refreshing and endearing. Also, Rand Paul has his core Libertarian leaning base, so more candidates just dilute everybody else. I think the notion that the president can really have an appreciable impact on jobs might be overestimating the power of that position. If a Democrat is in office the Repub's will oppose anything he does no matter what it is, and if its a Repub the Dem's will do the same. Instead of a system for the people its a system available to the highest bidder and one that has no middle ground. Anything Trump might do as POTUS would be constantly blocked or otherwise impeded by a host of other politicians already bought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted June 16, 2015 He certainly gets the low flyers into a tizzy. I like him already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 16, 2015 He certainly gets the low flyers into a tizzy. I like him already. Baker is a bit surly today. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving though. Im sure he will rip up a few of the other guys...always fun watching some of the infighting in primaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,608 Posted June 16, 2015 I don't understand this post. What does an American Citizen deciding to enter a campaign have to do with the process in and of itself? I actually think that is pretty cool. Just because I don't personally "like" Trump the person doesn't make the process wrong. It is all that is wrong with american politics. Money talks and that's all anyone gives a sh1t about. open your eyes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 It is all that is wrong with american politics. Money talks and that's all anyone gives a sh1t about. open your eyes Then why didn't the Billionaire win 4 years ago? Or even come close to winning? If you are having a conversation about Campaign Finance Reform or something then we can agree but that's not what you are implying and a separate conversation. To be perfectly honest, if Trump wasn't such a dooshbag, he'd be a great candidate (or any other Billionaire). Why? Because they wouldn't be pulled by the donation puppet strings. They wouldn't have to raise money from donors who "expect" something in return. That's the actual problem. I think you have it twisted. Yes, money is a problem with American politics, but it's more about politicians being bought, not a citizen/politician who is rich on his own accord. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted June 16, 2015 It is all that is wrong with american politics. Money talks and that's all anyone gives a sh1t about. open your eyes Why do you hate successful people? I think I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 16, 2015 Why do you hate successful people? I think I know. I doubt you know. And Trump's dad was successful...passing on millions to Trump. Both who built much of it with help from Government programs as well. You know...programs and help you are probably against as a Libertarian right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,517 Posted June 16, 2015 The first debate should just have a little tiny car pull up and all the candidates come out while circus music plays. What an original joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 16, 2015 Then why didn't the Billionaire win 4 years ago? Or even come close to winning? If you are having a conversation about Campaign Finance Reform or something then we can agree but that's not what you are implying and a separate conversation. To be perfectly honest, if Trump wasn't such a dooshbag, he'd be a great candidate (or any other Billionaire). Why? Because they wouldn't be pulled by the donation puppet strings. They wouldn't have to raise money from donors who "expect" something in return. That's the actual problem. I think you have it twisted. Yes, money is a problem with American politics, but it's more about politicians being bought, not a citizen/politician who is rich on his own accord. If you don't think even the richest of candidates won't be pulled by the donation strings you're sadly mistaken. And just because a guy is a Billionaire doesn't necessarily make him a great business man or a visionary. Take a look at Wall Sfreet billionaires and tell me what great business builders they are. Romney didn't build any either. He just bought them and either merged or sold them for parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted June 16, 2015 I doubt you know. And Trump's dad was successful...passing on millions to Trump. Both who built much of it with help from Government programs as well. You know...programs and help you are probably against as a Libertarian right? It is interesting to observe those Randian folks age and suddenly change their respective opinions about programs and such, not that Trump would ever worry about such things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 If you don't think even the richest of candidates won't be pulled by the donation strings you're sadly mistaken. And just because a guy is a Billionaire doesn't necessarily make him a great business man or a visionary. Take a look at Wall Street billionaires and tell me they know how to build a business. Romney didn't humid any either, he just bought them and consolidated or rolls them asunder and sold the parts. I'm not advocating Trump for President in the least. I was replying on a general level, to edjr saying a Billionaire citizen running is somehow "all that is wrong with the election process". His angst is misguided. Campaign Finance Reform is totally different than a citizen being rich. And common sense says they'd actually be less apt to be swayed by campaign donor dollars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 16, 2015 I'm not advocating Trump for President in the least. I was replying on a general level, to edjr saying a Billionaire citizen running is somehow "all that is wrong with the election process". His angst is misguided. Campaign Finance Reform is totally different than a citizen being rich. And common sense says they'd actually be less apt to be swayed by campaign donor dollars. Reality says he would be swayed by campaign donors. First of all, he's not going to spend his own billion to get elected. And it might take a billion. Second, he's going to want a republican senate and house, and they need donations to get elected. Hence, he's going to play ball with donors. Common sense doesn't always prevail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 16, 2015 Common sense doesn't always prevail. Seems that way. I think you and edjr are so hung up on the name Donald Trump you can't get past it. Lemme ask you a question this way: Person A: Is a billionaire Person B: is a hundred thousandaire It costs 10 Million to fund a presidential campain Which person in your estimation would end up being more "in debt" to campaign donors? Which person would have more leverage to say no if a donor went against their wishes? What's wrong with American Politics isn't a rich citizen. What's wrong with politics is how money buys politicians. edjr's angst is misguided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 16, 2015 Seems that way. I think you and edjr are so hung up on the name Donald Trump you can't get past it. Lemme ask you a question this way: Person A: Is a billionaire Person B: is a hundred thousandaire It costs 10 Million to fund a presidential campain Which person in your estimation would end up being more "in debt" to campaign donors? Which person would have more leverage to say no if it went against their wishes? What's wrong with American Politics isn't a rich citizen. What's wrong with politics is how money buys politicians. edjr's angst is misguided. If person A, the billionaire, isn't going to spend the Billion, what difference does it make? All of them are going to take money from donors . And I see zero correlation between what I said and what special Ed said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted June 16, 2015 Wait: job creator? I thought Trump inherited most of his money, hasn't been all that terrible successful as a businessman and is most notable as a rampant self promoter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 16, 2015 Has there ever been a nuttier candidate that actually ran with serious intentions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted June 16, 2015 It's actually not that crazy. The economy has been dog sh!t for many years now with no sign of recovering any time soon. Maybe a business man instead of a career hack politician could cut through the crap and get things going. He's been bankrupt? So what? We owe out 100 trillion dollars. How much worse can it be. Trump is politically incorrect assh0le and will speak his mind; that would be extremely refreshing and endearing. Also, Rand Paul has his core Libertarian leaning base, so more candidates just dilute everybody else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 16, 2015 Wait: job creator? I thought Trump inherited most of his money, hasn't been all that terrible successful as a businessman and is most notable as a rampant self promoter? As is the case with 90% of billionaires, he was rich the day he was born. It always cracks me up when people talk about how hard these guys worked for their money. The custodian at my local high school works hard for his money, too. LOL @ guys who are born on third base and think they've hit a triple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted June 16, 2015 If you don't think even the richest of candidates won't be pulled by the donation strings you're sadly mistaken. And just because a guy is a Billionaire doesn't necessarily make him a great business man or a visionary. Take a look at Wall Sfreet billionaires and tell me what great business builders they are. Romney didn't build any either. He just bought them and either merged or sold them for parts. Romney stripped the business of all assets and left someone holding the hollowed-out bag. That was Bain's entire business model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites