Sanctuary Cities

[KSB2424 3,148]

I don't understand how anybody can be for these and how have they been allowed to exist by the Federal Gov't? If we are going to have laws then people need to follow them. That goes for the the cat lady in Kentucky and for these city officials. Dammit.

 

 

AS 32-YEAR-OLD Kate Steinle enjoyed an evening walk with her dad on a busy San Francisco pier July 1, she was on a deadly collision course with the product of a dangerous policy the city had adopted to protect the man who was about to kill her.

San Francisco is one of hundreds of communities nationwide, including a handful in Massachusetts, that designate themselves “sanctuary cities.” In an act of political hubris, local politicians instruct their police departments not to cooperate with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement requests to further detain illegal immigrants who are in local police custody.

That’s why San Francisco officials never contacted federal immigration authorities when Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez — a Mexican national who had been deported five times and had seven prior felony convictions — was released by prosecutors on a marijuana charge. He was free to walk the same pier, pick up a gun, and allegedly kill Steinle.

Sanctuary city proponents argue that local police shouldn’t have to implement national immigration law. But that’s exactly what local officials do when they buck the federal legal system and give safe harbor to illegal immigrants — they just make up their own rules.

In Massachusetts, the mayors of Somerville and Northampton issued executive orders last year barring local police from fully cooperating with federal immigration officials. A similar proposal is being considered in Lawrence.

The term “sanctuary city” sounds warm and fuzzy, and that’s what proponents want you to think. They say sanctuary cities build trust with immigrant communities by removing the threat of a call to federal immigration officials if undocumented immigrants interface with local law enforcement.

But the stakes are high. In the first nine months of last year, sanctuary communities across the country refused 8,811 requests by Immigration and Customs Enforcement to hold illegal immigrants in local police custody, according to recent testimony by US Senator Chuck Grassley. Of those requests, 62 percent were for people who were previously charged or convicted of a crime or presented some other public safety risk. Almost 1,900 of the illegal immigrants released by sanctuary communities were later re-arrested.

Recently, sanctuary cities have become a national political flashpoint. Last week, House Republicans passed a bill to cut off certain federal law enforcement grants for sanctuary cities.

President Obama says he’ll veto the bill, which is not surprising. He issued his own executive order last November that shielded almost five million illegal immigrants from deportation.

During a floor speech criticizing the proposal to cut funding from sanctuary cities, Democratic Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts argued the bill was “meant to punish cities that don’t embrace the views of anti-immigrant extremists.”

McGovern is entitled to his political beliefs, but when it comes to sanctuary cities, let’s be clear: The “views” he’s talking about are actually federal immigration laws, which he and his congressional colleagues are responsible for either upholding or changing.

Passing the buck to local officials and encouraging them to pick and choose which federal laws to comply with is not how our system is designed to work, for good reason. It’s dangerous.

Just ask Kate Steinle’s dad, who was left to explain his daughter’s murder in these plain words: “Unfortunately, due to disjointed laws and basic incompetence on many levels, the US has suffered a self-inflicted wound in the murder of our daughter by the hand of a person that should never have been on the streets of this country.”

 

[crackattack 520]

Crazy liberals. They want people to follow federal law on religious discrimination, but not on federal immigration law or federal drug laws. Good stuff.

[cmh6476 1,010]

Oh great another sanctuary thread

[MDC 7,122]

Can I not support sanctuary cities or fatass cat ladies who don't do their jobs?

[gocolts 300]

Good post KSB2424.

 

What is MIND BLOWING is how folks are so thrilled that clerk is in jail screaming "Rule of law" and "Nobody is above it" yet we see it everyday just as your OP proves. If she is in jail, which she is, some mayors and Governors need to be as well.

[Voltaire 5,182]

I don't mind that Detroit is a sanctuary city. I endorse it. I think it suits them well as the city was designed to be home to 2M and only has 700K residents. Even if people have a nice, well maintained house, they can't sell it since there's no interest in buying it. Same with Flint.

 

Immigrants are the answer.

 

As for it happening in other municipalities, I don't know what's up with them.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

I don't mind that Detroit is a sanctuary city. I endorse it. I think it suits them well as the city was designed to be home to 2M and only has 700K residents. Even if people have a nice, well maintained house, they can't sell it since there's no interest in buying it. Same with Flint.

 

Immigrants are the answer.

 

As for it happening in other municipalities, I don't know what's up with them.

Cheap labor, would be my guess

[Frank M 181]

Can I not support sanctuary cities or fatass cat ladies who don't do their jobs?

Not in the black and white world of Geek Bored Republicans.

[KSB2424 3,148]

It’s always good to revisit issues from time to time.  It was bound to come to a crisis level eventually.  Duh.  Common sense.  

[RLLD 4,143]

When stupid ideas meet reality.......

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

When stupid ideas meet reality.......

Except that it’s not a stupid idea. It’s actually the only sane idea. 

If you have a city with many thousands of undocumented immigrants it makes no sense for the local police to ever be involved in reporting them, or rounding them up. It’s impractical, takes away from their ability to fight crime, and creates a pallor of hatred and suspicion. Avoiding this sort of disaster is why we have sanctuary cities and why we must continue to do so. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that it’s not a stupid idea. It’s actually the only sane idea. 

If you have a city with many thousands of undocumented immigrants it makes no sense for the local police to ever be involved in reporting them, or rounding them up. It’s impractical, takes away from their ability to fight crime, and creates a pallor of hatred and suspicion. Avoiding this sort of disaster is why we have sanctuary cities and why we must continue to do so. 

Declaring a locale as a "sanctuary" is used to entice those seeking to come here, by those exploiting them to get them here.  

Instead, they should do as Hochul is now doing and tell them to NOT come here.  Then line the border with National Guard, finish the wall, create more and more barriers......fix the system of course, but stop the invasion....we are not ready for this invasion.

No sanctuary, send them back unless they have completed the process....or let some other nation welcome them

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Declaring a locale as a "sanctuary" is used to entice those seeking to come here, by those exploiting them to get them here.  

Instead, they should do as Hochul is now doing and tell them to NOT come here.  Then line the border with National Guard, finish the wall, create more and more barriers......fix the system of course, but stop the invasion....we are not ready for this invasion.

No sanctuary, send them back unless they have completed the process....or let some other nation welcome them

That’s not what sanctuary cities are about. You misunderstand the term. 

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s not what sanctuary cities are about. You misunderstand the term. 

No. I understand them without issue. I also understand people. I can also see.   

So those folks expoiting these people to entice them to migrate here are ensuring folks from whom they can extract money know it.  Those folks know only too well that all of the liberal assessments of this nation (its racist, white supremacy etc) are absolute bull....and that being here, regardless of skin color or anything else, is the best thing for anyone.... so they come, and then know these cities are "sabnctuaries: and they will keep coming.....at least that moron gov in NY has seen the writing on the wall....

[Baker Boy 1,687]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s not what sanctuary cities are about. You misunderstand the term. 

What are the about?

[Alias Detective 1,389]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that it’s not a stupid idea. It’s actually the only sane idea. 

If you have a city with many thousands of undocumented immigrants it makes no sense for the local police to ever be involved in reporting them, or rounding them up. It’s impractical, takes away from their ability to fight crime, and creates a pallor of hatred and suspicion. Avoiding this sort of disaster is why we have sanctuary cities and why we must continue to do so. 

Sure.  Shooting the fockers before they get here is frowned upon by some.

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

What are the about?

It’s about police not informing on innocent people. 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s about police not informing on innocent people. 

They are here illegally, they are not innocent people. When you allow people to break the law with no consequence, you end up with a lawless society. Look at the Crimewave in the sanctuary cities, besides inviting illegal immigrants to their cities they have also eased the laws on many crimes, and refused to prosecute on many other laws.

 

[Bill E. 703]

12 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Look at the Crimewave in the sanctuary cities, besides inviting illegal immigrants to their cities they have also eased the laws on many crimes, and refused to prosecute on many other laws.

That's ok.  They should declare these cities sanctuaries for all criminals.  The streets would be safer in other places.

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

17 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

They are here illegally, they are not innocent people. When you allow people to break the law with no consequence, you end up with a lawless society. Look at the Crimewave in the sanctuary cities, besides inviting illegal immigrants to their cities they have also eased the laws on many crimes, and refused to prosecute on many other laws.

 

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

I was blaming the increased crime on the judicial system not the illegals. HTH

Well, it is all going your way right now because our administration agrees with you 100%. Now let’s see if you are correct on the impact that millions of illegals will have an American society and the economy. I predict it will be a disaster, but that’s not hard since it’s already happening. Can you name one country that has survived with open borders? 

 

[Fireballer 2,639]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. 

 

39 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s about police not informing on innocent people. 

Which is it?  Are they innocent, or they just aren’t committing violent crime?  

[Mark Davis 339]

4 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

Which is it?  Are they innocent, or they just aren’t committing violent crime?  

It’s the same mentality of letting people get away with property crimes and being shocked about the result. It’s someone else’s fault rather than taking responsibility for the results those policies created. If we just enforced our border then this would go away. Eric Adams even knows this 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

No.  You want to live in a country where they round up people that have different political beliefs.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,830]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

Every other country in the world they do this - like MEXICO!!!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,830]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

No.  You want to live in a country where they round up people that have different political beliefs.  

Yep.  100%.  Not even debatable.  It's as true as the Earth being round and water being wet.

[seafoam1 2,799]

On 9/4/2015 at 5:31 PM, cmh6476 said:

Oh great another sanctuary thread

We'll be waiting for your 10,000th Chief's thread. 

[crackattack 520]

The bussing of immigrants to sanctuary cities is one of the greatest political moves I've ever witnessed. It is exposing their hypocrisy and NIMBY attitude towards illegals. They're crying for big brother to help them even though they all professed their love and openness for migrants. The absolutely hilarious part is they're probably dealing with 1% of the migrants. Complete frauds. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

7 minutes ago, crackattack said:

The bussing of immigrants to sanctuary cities is one of the greatest political moves I've ever witnessed. It is exposing their hypocrisy and NIMBY attitude towards illegals. They're crying for big brother to help them even though they all professed their love and openness for migrants. The absolutely hilarious part is they're probably dealing with 1% of the migrants. Complete frauds. 

Fock yes. Great statement. 

[RogerDodger 797]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

Stop being a foking idiot.  They came here illegally, a felony, they've already committed more crime than most people that are born here by definition.

Men can menstruate!

Illegals' don't commit crime!

Tim is smart and doesn't lie!

See the pattern?

 

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Stop being a foking idiot.  They came here illegally, a felony, they've already committed more crime than most people that are born here by definition.

Men can menstruate!

Illegals' don't commit crime!

Tim is smart and doesn't lie!

See the pattern?

 

The only problem is you don't see that telling a liberal to stop being a focking idiot is against everything that they are. It's in their blood. I make the same mistake all the time. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Fock yes. Great statement. 

Do you when know what the sanctuary is/ was?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

The vast majority of poor people don’t commit crimes, period. So I don’t know why you’re comparing these poor people to other poor people, bigot. 

[Reality 3,092]

2 hours ago, crackattack said:

The bussing of immigrants to sanctuary cities is one of the greatest political moves I've ever witnessed. It is exposing their hypocrisy and NIMBY attitude towards illegals. They're crying for big brother to help them even though they all professed their love and openness for migrants. The absolutely hilarious part is they're probably dealing with 1% of the migrants. Complete frauds. 

Yup, virtually all liberal policies in a nutshell.

Virtue signaling frauds, every single one of them. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

NYC expects to pay 12 billion dollars over the next 18 months to house Bidens illegals. Real Tim thinks they can just print that money. But he doesn’t GAF. His virtue points are more valuable. I wonder where he thinks that money is coming from?  Or should I say where it’s being taken away from. Schools? Public safety? Public housing? The Homeless? What a fraud. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

It’s America, we welcome people. However there has to be a system, law and order whilst doing so.  JFC. How is this even debatable?

[Baker Boy 1,687]

On 9/26/2023 at 10:07 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 
 

The vast vast vast majority of these poor people commit no violent crimes whatsoever. By percentage they commit far less crimes than people born here. They have absolutely nothing to do with rise in crimes in urban areas and sanctuary city laws have no effect on crime. 
 

I must sound like a broken record at this point and it’s very frustrating to keep repeating these simple truths that get constantly rejected or ignored. But I’ll keep trying. What’s the alternative? I don’t want to live in a country where we start rounding up people because of their lack of papers. 

These are old facts and are not relevant in 2023. It is only going to get worse.

Gangs from central and south America entering the US and targeting luxury homes: sheriff
https://nypost.com/2023/10/02/gangs-from-central-and-south-america-targeting-luxury-homes-sheriff/

Close the Border!