*** Official Third Presidential Debate thread ***

[fandandy 3,313]

I think we should actually expand on abortion. Something up to like three years of age depending on how the little bastards behave.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

Just a FYI, Florida law triggered the full machine recount. Gore had to file a lawsuit to select his handpicked counties for the hand count.

 

I am glad I could educate you a bit on this.

FYI - In addition to the Florida law triggering a statewide, full machine recount - Florida law also allowed a manual recount of at least 3 protesting precincts.

 

I'm glad I could educate you a bit more on this.

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

also planned parenthood is a sham, most of the clinics don't even do mammograms, and 97% of their funding goes to abortion procedures

 

Look, I can respect that you have an opinion, but I've found so-called "Pro-Lifers" are just horrendously uninformed on this subject. I mean, I get that if you believe in religion, you're pretty gullible to non-factual "facts", but this is just plain, absolutely wrong.

 

BTW - by funding - do you mean "Federal Funding" or "All income?"

[wiffleball 4,790]

and we have obamacare which hillary loves and wants to build on, so they can just cover all that stuff, no need for private clinics funded by public sector

 

And what percentage of PP is funded by Federal Government Funding?

 

And what percentage of that funding goes to abortion procedures?

[parrot 789]

 

as to how Trump won, I am pro-life, and I am tired of people using abortion as birth control

 

also planned parenthood is a sham,

 

You realize that PP provides people with birth control too, right?

[Reality 3,121]

Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), is the United States Supreme Court decision that resolved the dispute surrounding the 2000 presidential election. On December 9 (three days earlier), the Court had preliminarily halted the Florida recount that was occurring. Eight days earlier, the Court unanimously decided the closely related case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, 531 U.S. 70 (2000).

 

In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that there was an Equal Protection Clause violation in using different standards of counting in different counties and ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limit set by Title 3 of the United States Code (3 U.S.C.), § 5 ("Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors"), which was December 12.^[1] The vote regarding the Equal Protection Clause was 7–2, and regarding the lack of an alternative method was 5–4.^[2] Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

The decision allowed Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's previous certification of George W. Bush as the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes to stand. Florida's votes gave Bush, the Republican candidate, 271 electoral votes, one more than the required 270 electoral votes to win the Electoral College and defeatDemocratic candidate Al Gore, who received 266 electoral votes (a District of Columbia elector abstained). Media organizations subsequently analyzed the ballots, and under the strategy that Al Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida recount — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted by the consortium. The study also found that a statewide tally that did not reject ballots containing overvotes (where a voter hole-punches multiple candidates but writes out the name of their intended candidate) would have resulted in Gore emerging as the victor by between 60 and 171 votes.

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

[wiffleball 4,790]

One things where Chris Wallace focked up was:

 

Trump "You're not going to find a quote (about me saying Japan and SoKo should have nukes) She's a liar!"

 

Except for the fact that Chris Wallace did an interview on April 3 wherein Trump said exactly that Chris Wallace is even on tape confirming him by saying "with nukes?" "Yes, with nukes - there's already nukes there!"

 

I mean, I know CW says he doesn't want to be a 'fact checker' - but when you were IN the conversation...

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

 

Look, I can respect that you have an opinion, but I've found so-called "Pro-Lifers" are just horrendously uninformed on this subject. I mean, I get that if you believe in religion, you're pretty gullible to non-factual "facts", but this is just plain, absolutely wrong.

 

BTW - by funding - do you mean "Federal Funding" or "All income?"

 

first of all, I don't believe in religion, I am an Athiest, I feel that morally it is wrong

 

my claim is based off of a few articles

http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/why-the-claim-that-abortion-is-%E2%80%9Conly-3-of-planned-parenthood%E2%80%99s-services%E2%80%9D-is-so-radically-misleading/#.WAjzQuArKUk

 

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/05/media-hides-fact-planned-parenthood-does-40-of-abortions/

 

 

as far as Parrot and birth control

 

there are plenty of other privately funded places people can receive birth control for free, like for example, your high school or college health dept

[wiffleball 4,790]

One of the best analyses I've heard to date comes from a media analyst -not a political wonk:

 

 

 

The reason Trump consistently does well for the first half hour or so in a debate - then flies off the raills is this:

 

Trump is really comfortable - really used to - the crowds at his rallies. Hell, they'll cheer at the crop of a hat. The debate crowd is an entirely different crowd. So, when Trump reaches for one of his 'go to" lines - and the crowd goes flat - Trump gets flustered. He feeds off the energy of the crowd - a crowd that won't question, that's really there more in a pep rally role. When that energy isn't there, when he's pressed on details beyond/behind catch phrases - he's uncomfortable. - A little bit like a singer who just can't 'do' the whole talk to the crowd thing

 

Never thought of it, but makes sense.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

According to Planned Parenthood’s own apologist, Media Matters, its “total revenue from abortion services was approximately $164,154,000,” a year. Accordingly, over 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

In addition to its $320.1 million in clinic income and $223.8 million in private donations,Planned Parenthood receives $487.4 million dollars a year from taxpayers. And that number is drastically increasing. Taxpayer funding for the abortion giant has more than doubled in the last decade.

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

first of all, I don't believe in religion, I am an Athiest, I feel that morally it is wrong

 

my claim is based off of a few articles

http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/why-the-claim-that-abortion-is-%E2%80%9Conly-3-of-planned-parenthood%E2%80%99s-services%E2%80%9D-is-so-radically-misleading/#.WAjzQuArKUk

being one

 

Wow. If you can trot out the stallwart middle of the road, totally unbiased "Right To Life News Today".....

 

 

Oh Geez.

 

When I get a minute, I'll try to get you some better sourcing. But, you can probably tell by the specificity of my questions that this ain't my first rodeo. Here's some generalizations that I'll gladly take back if I can't source it legitimately:

 

 

1) RTLers ware let to believe that there's a HUGE number of perfectly viable 'babies' being ripped out of the womb about 30 minutes before birth. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of abortions (like 80 plus percent - conservatively) occur very early - blastocycsts, not babies. A bundle of cells smaller than your overage loogie.

 

2) No Taxpayer dollars are spent on Abortion procedures. I believe that's a federal law.

 

 

3) A relatively small amount of PP funding even comes from the Feds.

 

Like I said, I'm willing to retract if I can't support these numbers - are you willing to learn too?

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

According to Planned Parenthood’s own apologist, Media Matters, its “total revenue from abortion services was approximately $164,154,000,” a year. Accordingly, over 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

In addition to its $320.1 million in clinic income and $223.8 million in private donations,Planned Parenthood receives $487.4 million dollars a year from taxpayers. And that number is drastically increasing. Taxpayer funding for the abortion giant has more than doubled in the last decade

Please give me a link to where you Cut and Pasted that. The fact that they use the term 'apologist' makes them sound less than impartial. Also, you DO understand the difference between revenue vs funding, right?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

here's why, Hillary wants to allow abortions if the mother's life is at risk up until the day of birth, why not just do a c-section and save the babies life, I mean I can't understand a procedure that kills the baby but keeps the mom alive, it still has to be delivered alive or dead one way or another

 

as to how Trump won, I am pro-life, and I am tired of people using abortion as birth control

 

also planned parenthood is a sham, most of the clinics don't even do mammograms, and 97% of their funding goes to abortion procedures

And tax money does not pay for PP abortions.

And the amount tbat use it as birth control is likely a tiny amount.

I abhor the concept of abortion, but the right's fight against roe v wade is a losing cause.

And tbis thought that Hillary wants to rip babies from the womb and kill them right nefore birth does not appear to be based on any facts right now.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Let's go with something a little more objective, shall we?

 

What does the law say on funding abortions?

Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother.

[parrot 789]

 

as far as Parrot and birth control

 

there are plenty of other privately funded places people can receive birth control for free, like for example, your high school or college health dept

 

What if you don't go to high school or college? And many of the same people who oppose PP also oppose these practices. If you remove a conduit by which many people get their birth control be prepared for the unintended consequences, like potentially MORE abortions.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Raider - Don't even know where you're coming up with your numbers on abortion..

 

 

Only 3% of the services that PP provides are abortion.

 

So, if you're against abortion as birth control, shouldn't you be FOR birth control as birth control? Because that's 34% of their services.

 

In fact, PP provides THREE times as many cancer screening services as abortion services. Are you anti-anti-cancer too?

 

You do realize abortion occur (likely more than 3%) is pretty much any hospital in the country right? There are any number of valid medical reasons for doing so. Should we stop FF for them too?

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

as to how Trump won, I am pro-life, and I am tired of people using abortion as birth control

 

also planned parenthood is a sham, most of the clinics don't even do mammograms, and 97% of their funding goes to abortion procedures

Lol@ a man being pro life, stfu it doesnt concern you. A woman can choose wether she wants to grow a person in her stomach or not. Its a fetus, you arent chopping a 10yr olds head off here. Fake outrage.

 

Planned parenthood does tons of great things besides abortion. in fact most things they do are not abortion. STD tests, birth control, general awesome services that make them a godsend to any community.

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

According to Planned Parenthood’s own apologist, Media Matters, its “total revenue from abortion services was approximately $164,154,000,” a year. Accordingly, over 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

In addition to its $320.1 million in clinic income and $223.8 million in private donations,Planned Parenthood receives $487.4 million dollars a year from taxpayers. And that number is drastically increasing. Taxpayer funding for the abortion giant has more than doubled in the last decade.

 

 

Okay, since you didn't provide it, I found the number myself. And you're right - I found it from a Media Matters post - Debunking Laura Ingraham's claim(On Fox) that the majority (or anything even close to it) of PP's revenue comes from abortion services.

 

Like I said, only 3% of PP's service involved abortion. They charge (for those that can afford it) $500. But clearly,, you know the difference between 'revenue' and 'income', right?

 

 

Depending upon how you dice the numbers, you MIGHT be able to get as high as 15% of 'clinic revenue' if you really tried, but that's nowhere near the breathless exclamation that somehow that's some kind of multi-million dollar money-making scheme. in fact, 'cliinic revenue' is a legal fiction made up to parse the overall revenue - the clinic doesn't make money at all - hence the need for government funding. Hell, I couldn't get a mole removed at cost for $500.

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

there are plenty of other privately funded places people can receive birth control for free, like for example, your high school or college health dept

 

I wasn't aware High Schools were prescribing the pill or Norplant, etc.

 

It is specifically because their partnerns don't WANT to wear condoms that usually create teen pregnancy. - Which, by the way is at a record low due to greater access to education and birth control.

 

Which also lead to a corresponding fact - that abortions are also at an all-time low.

 

But to hear these guys talk - you'd swear little Baby Geebuses are bieing ripped from Fetuses right and left every other second.

[Herbivore 1,142]

Lol@ a man being pro life, stfu it doesnt concern you. A woman can choose wether she wants to grow a person in her stomach or not. Its a fetus, you arent chopping a 10yr olds head off here. Fake outrage.

 

Planned parenthood does tons of great things besides abortion. in fact most things they do are not abortion. STD tests, birth control, general awesome services that make them a godsend to any community.

 

Amen

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

 

I wasn't aware High Schools were prescribing the pill or Norplant, etc.

 

It is specifically because their partnerns don't WANT to wear condoms that usually create teen pregnancy. - Which, by the way is at a record low due to greater access to education and birth control.

 

Which also lead to a corresponding fact - that abortions are also at an all-time low.

 

But to hear these guys talk - you'd swear little Baby Geebuses are bieing ripped from Fetuses right and left every other second.

Psssst, no one is paying any attention to you. Didn't you notice?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

just read this article

 

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/05/media-hides-fact-planned-parenthood-does-40-of-abortions/

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

Raider - Don't even know where you're coming up with your numbers on abortion..

 

 

Only 3% of the services that PP provides are abortion.

 

So, if you're against abortion as birth control, shouldn't you be FOR birth control as birth control? Because that's 34% of their services.

 

In fact, PP provides THREE times as many cancer screening services as abortion services. Are you anti-anti-cancer too?

 

You do realize abortion occur (likely more than 3%) is pretty much any hospital in the country right? There are any number of valid medical reasons for doing so. Should we stop FF for them too?

 

Planned parenthood does zero screenings for mammograms, they send them out

 

again read the article broken down above this and you see what they really do

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

Lol@ a man being pro life, stfu it doesnt concern you. A woman can choose wether she wants to grow a person in her stomach or not. Its a fetus, you arent chopping a 10yr olds head off here. Fake outrage.

 

Planned parenthood does tons of great things besides abortion. in fact most things they do are not abortion. STD tests, birth control, general awesome services that make them a godsend to any community.

 

couldnt be more wrong, just cause I am a man, I can't be pro life? Look I am not for overturning RvW, I just feel it is morally wrong, and I don't have an issue if you don't. Its about being responsible though, and I feel that since 90%+ of all abortions are done as birth control that it is wrong. I am not telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body, shes free to around as much as she wants, just don't get mad at me for thinking its wrong to kill a fetus.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

here is Shapiro's stance, which is pretty much where I am

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9768/ben-shapiro-destroys-abortion-argument-no-more-amanda-prestigiacomo#

[BufordT 434]

Republican nominee Donald Trump is known for some unusual speech patterns.

 

During the third and final presidential debate, Trump used one of his favorite words, "bigly."

 

The comment came during a contentious discussion of President Barack Obama's immigration record, where Trump asserted that Obama had deported "millions" of people.

"He doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened... bigly," Trump said

.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, bigly is actually a word meaning "with great force."

 

However, after the first presidential debate, Eric Trump, the nominee's son, told The Hollywood Reporter that the Republican nominee had said "big league," and not "bigly."

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bigly-top-trending-search-term-020935829.html

 

I now feel smarter today than I did yesterday. This is about the only thing I learned from watching these debates.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

couldnt be more wrong, just cause I am a man, I can't be pro life? Look I am not for overturning RvW, I just feel it is morally wrong, and I don't have an issue if you don't. Its about being responsible though, and I feel that since 90%+ of all abortions are done as birth control that it is wrong. I am not telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body, shes free to ###### around as much as she wants, just don't get mad at me for thinking its wrong to kill a fetus.

90% plus...you feel that? You have zero to really back up that claim or opinion.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

here is Shapiro's stance, which is pretty much where I am

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9768/ben-shapiro-destroys-abortion-argument-no-more-amanda-prestigiacomo#

Wow. 10 minutes ago I was ambivilent about abortion. After reading and seeing that, I'm pro-life. I didn't know how far along a woman could be. Holy shite. Liberals are Fockin sick people if that's what they want to defend. I'm disgusted.

[MDC 7,493]

Wow. 10 minutes ago I was ambivilent about abortion. After reading and seeing that, I'm pro-life.

To be fair you are a man of weak convictions.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

couldnt be more wrong, just cause I am a man, I can't be pro life? Look I am not for overturning RvW, I just feel it is morally wrong, and I don't have an issue if you don't. Its about being responsible though, and I feel that since 90%+ of all abortions are done as birth control that it is wrong. I am not telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body, shes free to ###### around as much as she wants, just don't get mad at me for thinking its wrong to kill a fetus.

Fair enough. Just imagine how many MORE illegitimate little brown terrors we would have running all over the place without that wonderful thing known as abortion. You will never stop poor minorities from having unprotected sex, so this is just a logical form of direly needed population control. Not saying much cuz they already think having 6 kids each despite being poor is a great idea, but it helps the ones who want the help.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Fair enough. Just imagine how many MORE illegitimate little brown terrors we would have running all over the place without that wonderful thing known as abortion. You will never stop poor minorities from having unprotected sex, so this is just a logical form of direly needed population control.

Would rather pay them to get Norplant and let the std's wipe em out.

[Mike Honcho 5,295]

To be fair you are a man of weak convictions.

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

Planned parenthood does zero screenings for mammograms, they send them out

 

again read the article broken down above this and you see what they really do

 

Boy, you are definitely qualified to speak on women's issues.

 

Just a quick FYI, there are other means of cancer screening than a mammogram.

 

But those who've somehow been diagnosed with cervical, reproductive and anal cancer sure appreciate your reliance upon the mammogram as the ultimate and only weapon in the war on cancer.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Planned parenthood is a scam. It's so evident. They play a little game and say only part of the space is used for abortion, so they can get federal funding. But eveyone knows that it's an abortion clinic, that's the crux of their existence.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

90% plus...you feel that? You have zero to really back up that claim or opinion.

 

ok Sho Nuff, I will give you the breakdown if you really want to be open minded.

 

I believe there are 4 reasons for an abortion

1)Rape

2)Incest

3)Health of mother or health of fetus

4)Birth control

 

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

 

according to the study, the number is actually much higher than 90% to be fair, but I always round down to 90% in my argument just to give some leeway, and even if you throw in (father or parents make her get an abortion)

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

ok Sho Nuff, I will give you the breakdown if you really want to be open minded.

 

I believe there are 4 reasons for an abortion

1)Rape

2)Incest

3)Health of mother or health of fetus

4)Birth control

 

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

 

according to the study, the number is actually much higher than 90% to be fair, but I always round down to 90% in my argument just to give some leeway, and even if you throw in (father or parents make her get an abortion)

 

I disagree with everything after #3 just being called birth control

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Fat? All I see is rock-hard shoulders, massive arms, sturdy back, firm buttocks, sculpted calves...OH, you...you just turned around.

Yeah, I was really starting to question my sexuality until he turned to reveal the bun in the oven. I guess the Coors isn't light enough.

[Strike 5,590]

 

What if you don't go to high school or college? And many of the same people who oppose PP also oppose these practices. If you remove a conduit by which many people get their birth control be prepared for the unintended consequences, like potentially MORE abortions.

 

Obamacare requires health insurers to provide birth control. There is an individual mandate that requires everyone to have health insurance. Therefore, there is no need for PP to provide birth control.

[parrot 789]

 

Obamacare requires health insurers to provide birth control. There is an individual mandate that requires everyone to have health insurance. Therefore, there is no need for PP to provide birth control.

 

How's that mandate working out? Say with poor, inner-city people who are likely to visit places like PP, and whose unwanted children are likely to become a burden on the system? I guess they all have insurance now?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

 

I disagree with everything after #3 just being called birth control

What is it then. They are aborting a child because they don't want it to be born. I mean you think oh I don't want a baby is an actual excuse?