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[12th Man 884]

Eliminate an entire group of people? Does that ring a bell, idiot?

You're a good little leftist. A terrible American but a good little leftist.

[FeelingMN 273]

Sure, making sure they are afforded all due process and adhering to PC nonsense has nothing to do with the fact that they can kill and maim while under surveillance. We can't even prevent them from entering our country without some aAholes filing a lawsuit and a judge catering to it because they don't like the President. Tighten up, what a joke.

 

They don't like the President?

 

They had legal grounds for making their ruling. Will it stand? We'll find out but there was some legal merit to their decision. It wasn't simply because they didn't like Trump. Grow up.

 

You're lucky you aren't brown. Wishing the University of Maryland was attacked. That'd probably get you under surveillance.

 

 

Ever been under surveillance?

 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

Yeah. Pretty much all religions call for silly sh!t.

 

Yeah. And all dogs injure people.

All races have players playing CB and RB in the NFL.

 

You're right. People are people, all equal. Lol. So, all religions have whackos. It a all equal. Like Football and dogs.

 

It's crazy how some people have been trained to repeat what the flock leader has said.

 

I can't imagine walking around and having someone else do my thinking.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

 

They don't like the President?

 

They had legal grounds for making their ruling. Will it stand? We'll find out but there was some legal merit to their decision. It wasn't simply because they didn't like Trump. Grow up.

 

You're lucky you aren't brown. Wishing the University of Maryland was attacked. That'd probably get you under surveillance.

 

 

Ever been under surveillance?

 

Yo think those lawsuits and rulings by leftist judges weren't political? You're telling someone else to grow up?

[NewbieJr 541]

Yo think those lawsuits and rulings by leftist judges weren't political? You're telling someone else to grow up?

The leftist judges appointed by Bush?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

The leftist judges appointed by Bush?

All of them? Shut up Newbie, your stupid is showing again.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

 

That's a great quote for gun control. Which I'm sure you're in favor of.

 

And the problem isn't "snowflake do gooders". The problem is terrorism. Pretty sad you think the problem is the people who you disagree with rather than the people trying to kill you.

 

A common thread with a lot of these terrorists is that they seem to have been on someone's radar. For whatever reason they seem to slip through and enact their killing. Perhaps if we tightened that up we wouldn't have to ban an entire religion.

Your right it's time make a law with regard to guns. Oh I just checked, there are 1000's.

 

If they are indeed on someone's "radar", then where is the disconnect. Perhaps it lies in the reality that we are unwilling to do what's necessary because it's not what we "stand for". Or perhaps it lies in the reality that our enemies using what we "stand for" to their advantage.

[NewbieJr 541]

All of them? Shut up Newbie, your stupid is showing again.

I didn't say all of them. But the rightie judges voted against Trump too.

Back to the drawing board, dumbass.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

I didn't say all of them. But the rightie judges voted against Trump too.

Back to the drawing board, dumbass.

So dumb. Really, really dumb.

[NewbieJr 541]

So dumb. Really, really dumb.

Always fun making an ass out of you, Ross

[Mr. Hand 482]

Always fun making an ass out of you, Ross

Are you still in grade school?

[Kanil 520]

why do leftists automatically play the Hitler card?

To be fair, when you have people literally calling for genocide of people based on their religion, the comparison is NOT a bad one.

[FeelingMN 273]

Your right it's time make a law with regard to guns. Oh I just checked, there are 1000's.

 

If they are indeed on someone's "radar", then where is the disconnect. Perhaps it lies in the reality that we are unwilling to do what's necessary because it's not what we "stand for". Or perhaps it lies in the reality that our enemies using what we "stand for" to their advantage.

Just like gun laws, there are plenty of terrorism laws. While you apparently feel the gun laws are adequate in keeping us safe, the terrorism laws don't go far enough to ensure our security. Doesn't make a lot of sense considering more people die in this country due to gun violence than terrorism. In fact, both San Bernardino and Orlando used guns to inflict their terror. Maybe you're on to something about how our enemies use what we stand for to their advantage.

 

I'm against banning guns just as I'm against banning religion. I think Titans said it well earlier in the thread that we have to uphold certain ideals lest we want to become more like the people we're against. I'd much rather do that that call on our government to absolutely guarantee our safety....cuz it'll never happen.

[NewbieJr 541]

Just like gun laws, there are plenty of terrorism laws. While you apparently feel the gun laws are adequate in keeping us safe, the terrorism laws don't go far enough to ensure our security. Doesn't make a lot of sense considering more people die in this country due to gun violence than terrorism. In fact, both San Bernardino and Orlando used guns to inflict their terror. Maybe you're on to something about how our enemies use what we stand for to their advantage.

 

I'm against banning guns just as I'm against banning religion. I think Titans said it well earlier in the thread that we have to uphold certain ideals lest we want to become more like the people we're against. I'd much rather do that that call on our government to absolutely guarantee our safety....cuz it'll never happen.

Perfectly expressed

[parrot 789]

It's crazy how some people have been trained to repeat what the flock leader has said.

 

I can't imagine walking around and having someone else do my thinking.

 

[cbfalcon 825]

Except that's not what happened.

 

My point is this...

 

Yes, we should hunt extremists. This is a shadow war. Find them and kill them.

 

But doing it by taking on entire countries or religions at a time is stupid. It just perpetuates the cycle.

 

Again. Not comparing Christianity to Islam. Not saying any of this is our fault.

 

Just saying, the approach we have been trying clearly doesn't work.

 

I agree in general, but I want to talk about your last sentence that states what we are doing clearly isn't working.

 

What's not working? It's as if people think as long as terrorists exist, we are losing. This in spite of the fact that we kill 250 of them for every 1 of us they get (spit balling numbers here). This in spite of the fact that we continually take out their leaders and hard targets, and they generally only take out our citizens......Obviously this only got super real to us in 2001. But do you remember what we thought the future would be like in the aftermath of September 11th? Many people thought there would be bombings and attacks of a similar scale in our country regularly. Pretty sure if someone had guaranteed us the past 16 years worth of results inside our borders back on that day, we'd have all breathed a sigh of relief and felt we were kicking ass.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

 

I agree in general, but I want to talk about your last sentence that states what we are doing clearly isn't working.

 

What's not working? It's as if people think as long as terrorists exist, we are losing. This in spite of the fact that we kill 250 of them for every 1 of us they get (spit balling numbers here). This in spite of the fact that we continually take out their leaders and hard targets, and they generally only take out our citizens......Obviously this only got super real to us in 2001. But do you remember what we thought the future would be like in the aftermath of September 11th? Many people thought there would be bombings and attacks of a similar scale in our country regularly. Pretty sure if someone had guaranteed us the past 16 years worth of results inside our borders back on that day, we'd have all breathed a sigh of relief and felt we were kicking ass.

Very good points.

 

I will say, though, that the point of terrorism isn't necessarily to kill more people than they lose.

 

The point of terrorism is to achieve an ideological goal by creating fear and terror.

 

I would say they have been somewhat successful there. Terrorism is a main topic on the news and during political campaigns, but I'm not sure how real the fear is. I have never been in a situation where I felt fear of terror in the United States.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

We're focked. What happened to American men? Some of these guys are fathers and husbands. Vichy French.

[Strike 5,566]

Very good points.

 

I will say, though, that the point of terrorism isn't necessarily to kill more people than they lose.

 

The point of terrorism is to achieve an ideological goal by creating fear and terror.

 

I would say they have been somewhat successful there. Terrorism is a main topic on the news and during political campaigns, but I'm not sure how real the fear is. I have never been in a situation where I felt fear of terror in the United States.

 

yeah but look at the changes we've made as a country to be "safe" from terrorism. Heck, you can barely bring a wallet in to an NFL game anymore. Soon you're going to have to consent to a full body cavity search to go to a concert. The government is running roughshod over our constitutional rights in the name of saving us from terrorism. IOW, they don't have to kill thousands to have a significant effect on our lives.

[NewbieJr 541]

We're focked. What happened to American men? Some of these guys are fathers and husbands. Vichy French.

Listen to John Wayne. The pussywhipped taxi driver. ROFL

[NewbieJr 541]

 

yeah but look at the changes we've made as a country to be "safe" from terrorism. Heck, you can barely bring a wallet in to an NFL game anymore. Soon you're going to have to consent to a full body cavity search to go to a concert. The government is running roughshod over our constitutional rights in the name of saving us from terrorism. IOW, they don't have to kill thousands to have a significant effect on our lives.

You'd prefer the alternative?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

 

yeah but look at the changes we've made as a country to be "safe" from terrorism. Heck, you can barely bring a wallet in to an NFL game anymore. Soon you're going to have to consent to a full body cavity search to go to a concert. The government is running roughshod over our constitutional rights in the name of saving us from terrorism. IOW, they don't have to kill thousands to have a significant effect on our lives.

Yes and add on surveillance and you can definitely make the argument that they have been successful in changing our lives and our freedoms.

 

Are they any closer to their end goal though? Have they achieved their political or ideological goal?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Listen to John Wayne. The pussywhipped taxi driver. ROFL

You've never done a dangerous thing in your life. Unless you count cocaine and steroids. Townie.

[drobeski 3,061]

You've never done a dangerous thing in your life. Unless you count cocaine and steroids. Townie.

leading the Conga dance ?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

leading the Conga dance ?

Lol

[NewbieJr 541]

You've never done a dangerous thing in your life. Unless you count cocaine and steroids. Townie.

LOL Writing parking tickets isn't exactly life or death, Ponch

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

The leftist judges appointed by Bush?

I wasn't aware bush appointed judges in hawaii

[parrot 789]

I wasn't aware bush appointed judges in hawaii

 

It takes a big man to admit he doesn't know how the federal court system works. We don't get those kinds of admissions here very often. Good on ya.

[Strike 5,566]

Yes and add on surveillance and you can definitely make the argument that they have been successful in changing our lives and our freedoms.

 

Are they any closer to their end goal though? Have they achieved their political or ideological goal?

 

Depends what you believe their end goal is. And maybe they haven't "achieved" it, but have made progress. Rome wasn't built in a day, was it?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

 

Depends what you believe their end goal is. And maybe they haven't "achieved" it, but have made progress. Rome wasn't built in a day, was it?

Agreed. Plus all these different groups like, Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc have different goals.

[cbfalcon 825]

Very good points.

 

I will say, though, that the point of terrorism isn't necessarily to kill more people than they lose.

 

The point of terrorism is to achieve an ideological goal by creating fear and terror.

 

I would say they have been somewhat successful there. Terrorism is a main topic on the news and during political campaigns, but I'm not sure how real the fear is. I have never been in a situation where I felt fear of terror in the United States.

 

Obviously our politicians, police, intelligence agencies, and military have been forced into many changes, but those are the guys fighting the battle for us...... If the goal of terrorists was for our citizens to experience daily fear, they've failed miserably. I'll admit that when I'm in large crowds, particularly when with my daughter, I run through the mental drill of what I'd do if an attack occurred. But I have never experienced even one moment of actual fear. Maybe that changes one day, but I've been fortunate thus far, and I suspect most Americans feel the same way.

 

 

yeah but look at the changes we've made as a country to be "safe" from terrorism. Heck, you can barely bring a wallet in to an NFL game anymore. Soon you're going to have to consent to a full body cavity search to go to a concert. The government is running roughshod over our constitutional rights in the name of saving us from terrorism. IOW, they don't have to kill thousands to have a significant effect on our lives.

 

If having to empty your pockets and walking through a metal detector is your threshold for believing we are losing the war, then you may have unrealistic expectations of those fighting the battle on our behalves, in my opinion.

[Cdub100 3,926]

Islam is the religion of peace

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

Islam is the religion of

 

*Muslim explodes

 

Islam is the religion

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

Islam is the

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

Islam is

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

Islam

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

*Muslim explodes*

 

*Muslim explodes*

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Less Muslims = less terrorism. Anyone disagree?

[NewbieJr 541]

Less Muslims = less terrorism. Anyone disagree?

I think the opposite. If your rationale is less Muslims through bannings

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Less Muslims = Less terrorism. Anyone who's not a moron disagree?

[edjr 6,605]

Less Muslims = less terrorism. Anyone disagree?

 

Less Radical Muslims = less terrorism, but yes.,

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Killing everyone associated with terrorism guarantees a ZERO recidivism rate.

[NewbieJr 541]

Less Muslims = Less terrorism. Anyone who's not a moron disagree?

Love when a pussie bows out of a debate because he's outmatched.

[NewbieJr 541]

Killing everyone associated with terrorism guarantees a ZERO recidivism rate.

Yes. If we kill every Muslim on earth, that will guarantee an end to terrorism. Although the billions of lives lost during the battle may sting a little. Idiot.

[iam90sbaby 2,618]

I think the opposite.

 

So more muslims = less terrorism? In what world?