Game of the year - 4:25 EST CBS - Patriots -3 @ Steelers - who you got?

[vuduchile 1,945]

If you know the rule, you would not say it was a catch or fight for being one of the first to say what cruzer said, which is dead wrong. Your second statement is a perfectly valid opinion.

It SHOULD be a catch, a TD, then an inconsequential bobble of the ball at the end.

 

Thats why the rule is stupid.

 

If a RB takes a hand off at the 1, has control with both hands as the ball crosses the plane, but loses control with one hand when he hits he ground, its a TD, no questions asked.

 

This SHOULD be no different, but the NFL rules committee is dumber than digby.

[posty 2,702]

Thank you. I have analyzed the play and the ball clearly hits the ground. Now, he had possession before but it was still in the process of making the catch and going to the ground. Different than if he catches at the 5 and jaunts in, breaking the plane then going to the ground.

 

Not a catch and obviously so.

Exactly...

[vuduchile 1,945]

Exactly...

Exactly NOT.

 

How can you have possession but still be in the process of making the catch?

[edjr 6,605]

bu bu but, patriots!

[posty 2,702]

How can you have possession but still be in the process of making the catch?

It has been like this for many years and they were just following the rules as it has stated... He hit the ground and wasn't touched yet so the play was continuing, the ball turned in his hands, so incomplete...

 

Plus to make it even better, it caused the Steelers to lose...

[edjr 6,605]

It has been like this for many years and they were just following the rules as it has stated... He hit the ground and wasn't touched yet so the play was continuing, the ball turned in his hands, so incomplete...

 

Plus to make it even better, it caused the Steelers to lose...

 

if they did rule him down when he hit, game over, was only a few seconds left and no TOs

[Djgb13 2,339]

It SHOULD be a catch, a TD, then an inconsequential bobble of the ball at the end.

 

Thats why the rule is stupid.

 

If a RB takes a hand off at the 1, has control with both hands as the ball crosses the plane, but loses control with one hand when he hits he ground, its a TD, no questions asked.

 

This SHOULD be no different, but the NFL rules committee is dumber than digby.

I would argue they must be dumber than you since youre arguing about it when the rules state otherwise and you state that you understand the rules

[edjr 6,605]

I would argue they must be dumber than you since youre arguing about it when the rules state otherwise and you state that you understand the rules

 

[TommyGavin 790]

Well no use crying over spilled milk. Refs made the decision. Even gave an explanation on it. Time to move on

Lessons learned from your years of NFL experience

[vuduchile 1,945]

I would argue they must be dumber than you since youre arguing about it when the rules state otherwise and you state that you understand the rules

Dumb people cant read well, so I suppose this is understandable.

 

I know what the rule says.

 

I disagree with the rule because its inconsistent with the rest of the game.

 

Therefore, the rule is dumb and should be changed.

 

Now, hop back up your bandwagon and move along juice box boy.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Dumb people cant read well, so I suppose this is understandable.

 

I know what the rule says.

 

I disagree with the rule because its inconsistent with the rest of the game.

 

Therefore, the rule is dumb and should be changed.

 

Now, hop back up your bandwagon and move along juice box boy.

A dumb person would be the one arguing with the experts of the rule

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Exactly NOT.

 

How can you have possession but still be in the process of making the catch?

I think the rule is a catch must have maintained control throughout hitting the ground. So he never had possession until he did that since he was heading for the ground.

 

But I don't think enough attention is on the football move. They didn't want to term it "2 steps to catch" so they made it "a football move". Well what is a football move? Is going to a knee and then trying to extend the caught ball over the line....a football move? I would think so.

[vuduchile 1,945]

A dumb person would be the one arguing with the experts of the rule

Do you mean the same experts who came up with the tuck rule, the fumbling out of the end zone rule, the shoe rule, the home game overseas rule and the all teams get a prime time game rule?

[kutulu 1,680]

Might be a bad rule but saw that wiggle live and was pretty sure it wasn't gonna stand. Then the choke job on the next play. Plus the three and out before that. Plus the pick that mighta been. Pitt had their chances... Will be great if they meet up again on the playoffs.

[nzoner 937]

I think the rule is a catch must have maintained control throughout hitting the ground. So he never had possession until he did that since he was heading for the ground.

 

But I don't think enough attention is on the football move. They didn't want to term it "2 steps to catch" so they made it "a football move". Well what is a football move? Is going to a knee and then trying to extend the caught ball over the line....a football move? I would think so.

According to Cris Carter this morning any kind of falling is not a football move,said the players need to learn the rule and bring the ball in to themselves and roll in or some sh!t like that

[vuduchile 1,945]

I think the rule is a catch must have maintained control throughout hitting the ground. So he never had possession until he did that since he was heading for the ground.

 

But I don't think enough attention is on the football move. They didn't want to term it "2 steps to catch" so they made it "a football move". Well what is a football move? Is going to a knee and then trying to extend the caught ball over the line....a football move? I would think so.

Right. Its all still too subjective, and completely inconsistent with TD rules involving other ball carriers/possessors.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Do you mean the same experts who came up with the tuck rule, the fumbling out of the end zone rule, the shoe rule, the home game overseas rule and the all teams get a prime time game rule?

I would say the ones who get paid to learn all the rules and enforce them on the field that youre so desperate to argue against. But hey I know stupid people dont learn, take criticism, or change their minds. So go ahead buddy. Complain away! Everyone else here will keep laughing at you

[edjr 6,605]

How about Jim Nantz last night? Sounding like Phil Focking Simms, clueless.

 

Romo wasn't much better, but at least he realized 1st.

 

 

 

 

 

8 minute mark Nantz "no doubt that's going to stand up"

 

took over 2 minutes for Romo to figure it out

 

clown show.

[Reality 3,121]

I would say the ones who get paid to learn all the rules and enforce them on the field that youre so desperate to argue against. But hey I know stupid people dont learn, take criticism, or change their minds. So go ahead buddy. Complain away! Everyone else here will keep laughing at you

 

 

You talking about these guys...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-vp-of-officiating-tries-to-explain-why-steelers-td-got-overturned-vs-patriots/

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

 

You talking about these guys...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-vp-of-officiating-tries-to-explain-why-steelers-td-got-overturned-vs-patriots/

 

Sorry youre upset but youre not the expert on it and getting paid to do it. No matter how dumb you think it it wont change it. It is what it is

[IMMensaMind 462]

Max Kellerman today made a very good case that it was actually a touchdown when the nose of the ball crossed the goal line.

[Reality 3,121]

Sorry youre upset but youre not the expert on it and getting paid to do it. No matter how dumb you think it it wont change it. It is what it is

 

Not upset at all, don't care about either team.

 

The NFL is horribly inconsistent, I have no problem pointing that out.

 

You're welcome.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

Not upset at all, don't care about either team.

 

The NFL is horribly inconsistent, I have no problem pointing that out.

 

You're welcome.

Dunno man. Seemed quite upset to me but thats beside the point I guess

[vuduchile 1,945]

 

 

You talking about these guys...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-vp-of-officiating-tries-to-explain-why-steelers-td-got-overturned-vs-patriots/

 

This passage tells us all we need to know.

 

Since the play was so controversial, Riveron felt the need to release a video and explain why James' "catch" didn't count, and let's just say that Riveron might have just confused things even more. For one, Riveron opens up the video by mentioning that Roethlisberger "completes" a pass to James.

[Reality 3,121]

Dunno man. Seemed quite upset to me but thats beside the point I guess

 

 

Strange, not even a little upset.

 

Carry on.

[edjr 6,605]

Max Kellerman today made a very good case that it was actually a touchdown when the nose of the ball crossed the goal line.

 

how's that Brady cliff, Max, you clown

 

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

It SHOULD be a catch, a TD, then an inconsequential bobble of the ball at the end.

 

Thats why the rule is stupid.

 

If a RB takes a hand off at the 1, has control with both hands as the ball crosses the plane, but loses control with one hand when he hits he ground, its a TD, no questions asked.

 

This SHOULD be no different, but the NFL rules committee is dumber than digby.

Cmon now... thats just silly

[mobb_deep 920]

someone post that barstool video of the steeler fan raging in his living room...

[edjr 6,605]

someone post that barstool video of the steeler fan raging in his living room...

 

yes, but an obvious fake. he KNEW he was being recorded

[cyclone24 1,913]

I'm not going to scroll through because I'm sure you guys have beaten this call to death.... I'll just say this.... Every single time I hear a fan base my own included complain about a call that cost them the game I can usually go back to about three or four things in the last 5 minutes of that game that actually cost you.

It's those missteps that put you in a position where a 50/50 call that doesn't go your way loses the game.

[Thornton Melon 622]

Max Kellerman today made a very good case that it was actually a touchdown when the nose of the ball crossed the goal line.

 

No, he made a very good case why it should be a touchdown. Maybe (hopefully) they'll change the rule to match his argument.

[edjr 6,605]

I'm not going to scroll through because I'm sure you guys have beaten this call to death.... I'll just say this.... Every single time I hear a fan base my own included complain about a call that cost them the game I can usually go back to about three or four things in the last 5 minutes of that game that actually cost you.

It's those missteps that put you in a position where a 50/50 call that doesn't go your way loses the game.

 

You sound like one of the tards on ESPN.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

I'm not going to scroll through because I'm sure you guys have beaten this call to death.... I'll just say this.... Every single time I hear a fan base my own included complain about a call that cost them the game I can usually go back to about three or four things in the last 5 minutes of that game that actually cost you.

It's those missteps that put you in a position where a 50/50 call that doesn't go your way loses the game.

True. Like in super bowl 42, when Asante Samuel dropped that pick. That's all the pats fans cried about. Forgetting that Brady couldn't handle the pressure most of the game, unlike Eli, who did.

[IMMensaMind 462]

No, he made a very good case why it should be a touchdown. Maybe (hopefully) they'll change the rule to match his argument.

No, he made a very good case why it should be a touchdown. Maybe (hopefully) they'll change the rule to match his argument.

Well, he used the words "and it was a touchdown"...

[Djgb13 2,339]

Maybe this will help out vudutard since he knows the rules

 

 

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete

[cyclone24 1,913]

 

You sound like one of the tards on ESPN.

And you sound like one of those tards that blames the officials every time you lose.

 

 

It's a crappy call but there was a lot of things they could have done to prevent it from getting to that point

[mobb_deep 920]

retard fight!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABYMadrwEU

[dain11279 976]

Exactly my thoughts on this......... He had possession and broke the plane well before the ground ever came into play - Touchdown.

 

Just another example of how the NFL is ruining their game.

[Gladiators 1,993]

The tard strength is strong in this thread.

[parrot 789]

Well, he used the words "and it was a touchdown"...

 

Which it wasn't. The league has been very clear that a receiver going to the ground in the act of making a catch has to maintain control through contact with the ground, and being in or out of the endzone or crossing the goalline has no effect on that requirement.

 

Also, there is nothing in the current ruleset about making "a football play". You've either established that you are "clearly a runner" - A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps - or you are going to the ground and have to maintain control through the ground.

 

Under Kellerman's rulebook if a receiver laid out for a pass, had it in his hands, then had his knee touch a nanosecond before his torso it would be a catch even if the ball came flaying, or maybe it would be in the end-zone, but not anywhere else on the field? Does anyone really think that would be a better setup?