F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

[Sho Nuff 719]

he's making stuff up to support and justify his, wiffs and the left's sore loser crybaby temper tantrum inspired investigation.

They always do.

Fact

HTH

Wrong...as always.

[crackattack 513]

Prosecuting is not what all the disagreement is about.

 

https://lawfareblog.com/view-supreme-court-alan-dershowitz-wrong-about-powers-president

That's about protecting an independent investigation. Ie like Mueller. It has nothing to do with obstruction charges or if they can even prosecute a sitting president. That ruling simply says Trump can't fire Mueller, but the deputy attorney general can.

 

And even if that ruling is opposite of Dershowitz view, so?? It's Dershowitz opinion that the supreme court is wrong. I could find many lawyers who disagree with the SC. If they get air time on CNN or msnbc voicing their opposing opinions, would you call them schills?

 

Fact is. The USSC has made no ruling on whether a sitting president can be charged for obstruction. None.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Prosecuting is not what all the disagreement is about.

 

https://lawfareblog.com/view-supreme-court-alan-dershowitz-wrong-about-powers-president

Dershowitz was correct. Trump can shut down the FBI investigation anytime he wants and not be subject to obstruction. The power of congress to appoint an independent council is a different issue.

[Sho Nuff 719]

That's about protecting an independent investigation. Ie like Mueller. It has nothing to do with obstruction charges or if they can even prosecute a sitting president. That ruling simply says Trump can't fire Mueller, but the deputy attorney general can.

 

And even if that ruling is opposite of Dershowitz view, so?? It's Dershowitz opinion that the supreme court is wrong. I could find many lawyers who disagree with the SC. If they get air time on CNN or msnbc voicing their opposing opinions, would you call them schills?

 

Fact is. The USSC has made no ruling on whether a sitting president can be charged for obstruction. None.

I made no claims about being charged with obstruction.

But the firing of certain people does play into obstruction...thats the point.

And its a large one Dershowitz has been wrong about.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

It is not surprising that the board Totalitarian Socialist support this action.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

It is not surprising that the board Totalitarian Socialist support this action.

 

It's sad to me there are actually people that live in this country that think the way he does.

[drobeski 3,061]

I'm shocked the ACLU hasn't chimed in in trumps defense yet. Who knew civil liberties only applied to progressives

[crackattack 513]

I made no claims about being charged with obstruction.

But the firing of certain people does play into obstruction...thats the point.

And its a large one Dershowitz has been wrong about.

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

[lickin_starfish 1,482]

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

This.

 

There is no other way to look at it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

its an investigation to find a crime, not an investigation into a crime.

It's as anti American as anything we've ever seen, and it's not at all suprising who supports it.

[Sho Nuff 719]

It is not surprising that the board Totalitarian Socialist support this action.

 

It is not surprising that you...nor anyone else...has been able to come up with a single thing I advocate for that is Totalitarian or Socialist.

In addition, those of you pushing a narrative that goes nearly as far as saying the President is above the law...shouldn't be claiming others are totalitarian. Or any Trump supporter should be doing that...but you don't really get that.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I'm shocked the ACLU hasn't chimed in in trumps defense yet. Who knew civil liberties only applied to progressives

 

What civil liberties of his have been violated?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

its an investigation to find a crime, not an investigation into a crime.

It's as anti American as anything we've ever seen, and it's not at all suprising who supports it.

It's sad watching peoples tiny egos over losing let them look past what's going on.

[crackattack 513]

its an investigation to find a crime, not an investigation into a crime.

It's as anti American as anything we've ever seen, and it's not at all suprising who supports it.

I don't always agree with the Dr., but think I agree with this. I'm not sure I've seen anything like this. I didn't follow the Ken Star investigation, but did he do this?

[Sho Nuff 719]

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

 

There is no "first and then".

The investigation is ""any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

 

There is no move on to Obstruction..."collusion" (using that generically for coordination among Trump campaign officials) is not off the table and never has been off the table. Obstruction would come up possibly first as a means to bring impeachment processes (if it comes to that) so that people may be charged. Its not some either/or necessarily.

It didn't move to the AH tapes...why do you repeat a false narrative based on talking points? AH tapes might be a piece to showing possible collusion. Do you believe...if they can show cooridination between Trump campaign and Wiki on the release of Podesta emails right after the AH tape info came out (because, if you recall this happened incredibly close together)...do you think that is "collusion"?

 

As for encompassing everything? its always been that they can look into what comes up during the course of investigation if they find evidence of a crime. Again...how do you think Clinton's issue came up? The investigation had zero to do with Monica. But that was found in the course of an investigation. Do you all really want investigators to just look the other way when they find something in the course of their work?

Cohen's issues have come up in the course of this investigation and have been passed along. Thats it...its not the whole investigation...so quite making it out to seem as if that is what Mueller just moved on to.

[Sho Nuff 719]

its an investigation to find a crime, not an investigation into a crime.

It's as anti American as anything we've ever seen, and it's not at all suprising who supports it.

There is nothing anti american about Mueller's investigation.

[crackattack 513]

 

There is no "first and then".

The investigation is ""any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

 

There is no move on to Obstruction..."collusion" (using that generically for coordination among Trump campaign officials) is not off the table and never has been off the table. Obstruction would come up possibly first as a means to bring impeachment processes (if it comes to that) so that people may be charged. Its not some either/or necessarily.

It didn't move to the AH tapes...why do you repeat a false narrative based on talking points? AH tapes might be a piece to showing possible collusion. Do you believe...if they can show cooridination between Trump campaign and Wiki on the release of Podesta emails right after the AH tape info came out (because, if you recall this happened incredibly close together)...do you think that is "collusion"?

 

As for encompassing everything? its always been that they can look into what comes up during the course of investigation if they find evidence of a crime. Again...how do you think Clinton's issue came up? The investigation had zero to do with Monica. But that was found in the course of an investigation. Do you all really want investigators to just look the other way when they find something in the course of their work?

Cohen's issues have come up in the course of this investigation and have been passed along. Thats it...its not the whole investigation...so quite making it out to seem as if that is what Mueller just moved on to.

seems broad to me. I just simply don't agree. I don't agree with the wide range of power wielded to an extension of the government, which is practically what the special prosecutor is. But that's just me. Not to be all HILLARY!@$@!!#$!, but I don't remember the FBI being so extensive and intrusive with her. And she clearly violated the law.

 

Oh well. Enjoy your day, we'll just go round and round. I'll just agree to disagree and end it here

[Sho Nuff 719]

seems broad to me. I just simply don't agree. I don't agree with the wide range of power wielded to an extension of the government, which is practically what the special prosecutor is. But that's just me. Not to be all HILLARY!@$@!!#$!, but I don't remember the FBI being so extensive and intrusive with her. And she clearly violated the law.

 

Oh well. Enjoy your day, we'll just go round and round. I'll just agree to disagree and end it here

 

Seems how most investigations are...if you legally uncover something during the course...you look into it or pass it on to others.

How were they not extensive or intrusive with her? How many investigations went on? For how long? How many interviews had she sat through, and for how long?

True...I don't think we will agree.

I just don't understand a side saying that if Mueller finds something during the course of his investigation...that he shouldn't pass it along. That seems complete crazy to me.

[SenatorRock 708]

Nazi Bob's support is at an all time low and God Emperor Trump's support is at all time high after the Gestapo raids on Trump's personal attorney.

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/april_2018/voters_more_likely_now_to_see_mueller_probe_as_partisan_witch_hunt

 

 

Bout time to wrap up the phony Russia investigation and initiate the Nuremburg Trials 2.0.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Phony :lol

[cbfalcon 824]

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

You think it's in our country's best interest to look the other way if a President surrounds himself with extremely shady people.

I think it's in our country's best interest if Presidents know not to surround themselves with extremely shady people.

 

Just a fundamental difference in viewpoints I suppose.

Seriously?!! After you stay supportive of the Clintons and Obama Administration given all the corruption they've done you post that?

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

Nazi Bob's support is at an all time low and God Emperor Trump's support is at all time high after the Gestapo raids on Trump's personal attorney.

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/april_2018/voters_more_likely_now_to_see_mueller_probe_as_partisan_witch_hunt

 

 

Bout time to wrap up the phony Russia investigation and initiate the Nuremburg Trials 2.0.

 

Are you sure? What will SloTard and Wiff do once they don't have their daily WE GOT 'EEM! hysteria fits?

[kutulu 1,548]

Another day another nothing burger. When does this all go away?

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

 

 

What exactly was funny? His post is spot on.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

What exactly was funny? His post is spot on.

It really wasnt.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

It is not surprising that you...nor anyone else...has been able to come up with a single thing I advocate for that is Totalitarian or Socialist.

In addition, those of you pushing a narrative that goes nearly as far as saying the President is above the law...shouldn't be claiming others are totalitarian. Or any Trump supporter should be doing that...but you don't really get that.

Totalitarianism is a political concept where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through rule by one leader and an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".

 

It is very difficult for the indoctrinated to see.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Totalitarianism is a political concept where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through rule by one leader and an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".

 

It is very difficult for the indoctrinated to see.

Never has there been so much self owning in one post.

[lickin_starfish 1,482]

How can any dude be a Hillary supporter and still consider himself a man?

[Cdub100 3,382]

How can any dude be a Hillary supporter and still consider himself a man?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521]

Then what's the investigation doing? First it was collusion. Then it was obstruction. Now it's encompassing everything in any and all Trump acquaintances daily/work lives. That seems like an incredible broad reach of power. No?

 

This has turned into an open-ended investigation in to EVERYTHING. Let that sink in. They started looking for collusion, and are now into AH tapes because maybe, just maybe, there was campaign laws broken. Maybe.

 

I'm no Trump supporter/defender, but imo this is wrong. Wrong on a multitude of reasons. They are using the special prosecutor to find anything they can to oust a sitting, rightfully/lawfully elected president. Just my opinion tho.

 

This is EXACTLY how the left abused the John Doe against Walker here in WI. It started out as investigation that Walker himself asked them to look into (over missing money) and they used it to try and get Walker himself.

 

It's was an unabashed, corrupt abuse of power against Walker as it is now against Trump. You would think the left would be completely against this but because it's "not their guy" they are perfectly okay with it. It's beyond comprehension.

[Mr. Hand 482]

This is EXACTLY how the left abused the John Doe against Walker here in WI. It started out as investigation that Walker himself asked them to look into (over missing money) and they used it to try and get Walker himself.

 

It's was an unabashed, corrupt abuse of power against Walker as it is now against Trump. You would think the left would be completely against this but because it's "not their guy" they are perfectly okay with it. It's beyond comprehension.

Exactly.

[Mr. Hand 482]

How can any dude be a Hillary supporter and still consider himself a man?

Let’s ask Sho...oh wait....that won’t work.

[cbfalcon 824]

Seriously?!! After you stay supportive of the Clintons and Obama Administration given all the corruption they've done you post that?

 

I dont recall being a Clinton supporter of note, but like most here that are accused of looking the other way when they were in charge, I was only like 12 at the time.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I dont recall being a Clinton supporter of note, but like most here that are accused of looking the other way when they were in charge, I was only like 12 at the time.

 

In 2016-2017?

[cbfalcon 824]

 

In 2016-2017?

Oh, the former candidates in the elections a couple years ago? I dont have strong opinions on them really due to way less knowledge, as they dont tend to be covered as heavily or for as long as a sitting president.

[drobeski 3,061]

Sundance nails it again. As usual, just a thoroughly investigated breakdown of the situation. This is real journalism kids.

Read and learn, and feel free to dispute rather than discredit anything in there if ya can. I dare ya!

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/12/the-doj-and-fbi-small-group-motive-behind-the-raid-on-michael-cohen/

 

 

Earlier today I wrote on Twitter: The raid on Michael Cohens home and office was gov. directed political opposition research. The FBI/DOJ officials who carried out the raid will leak the content to media to damage POTUS & engineer narratives for election(s). That was the intent of the raid.

 

 

 

Allow me provide the fact-based argument behind that statement. Beginning with a very basic baseline fact:

 

You can call it a soft-coup, or you can call it politicization of the DOJ and FBI, but the end result is the same the intentional effort to manipulate, influence, and ultimately subvert an election for the presidency of the United States.

 

It is an inarguable reality that ideologues within the U.S. Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation used their positions to conduct a political operation against the candidacy of President Trump. There is currently an Office of Inspector General investigation by Michael Horowitz to discover the scale of that basic truth.

 

The ongoing OIG investigation has already released some of the investigative evidence proving the motives of the participants. Additionally, through records and releases stemming from outside the OIG investigation, it is a fact the intelligence apparatus within the national security divisions of the DOJ and FBI used their databases to conduct unlawful searches of political opposition; and allowed contractors to do the same.

 

These clear facts exist regardless of opinion or sentiment therein.

 

 

 

 

It is also a fact the entities behind the 2015, 2016 and 2017 political operations are still at large, holding their same ideology, and presumably working toward their admitted end goal. No-one, with the exception of the fab-five, has been forced to cease and desist.

 

Additionally, part of the false information from within the small group collective effort was Christopher Steele naming Michael Cohen as a Trump campaign entity who traveled to Prague to meet with Russian operatives. The outcome of that false and publicized statement resulted in Michael Cohen suing Buzzfeed and Fusion-GPS to discover how the Clinton-Steele Dossier reached the false conclusion.

 

♦We know the Steele Dossier contains content that was not exclusive to Christopher Steele. ♦We know Fusion GPS held proprietary ownership of the Steele Dossier content. ♦We reasonably know that Nellie Ohr provided much of the research for the dossier content. ♦We know that FBI contractors, perhaps Fusion entities, used unlawful FBI FISA-702 searches to gain information that was passed on to Fusion-GPS and Nellie Ohr etc. ♦We also know the story of Michael Cohen traveling to Prague is inside the Steele Dossier; and we know the story is false It was the wrong Michael Cohen.

 

Within the Cohen -vs- FusionGPS lawsuit there exists a very reasonable -and accurate- risk to the intelligence surveillance operatives who made the mistake. Arguably that mistake could link the use of FBI and NSA database searches to the intelligence laundry scheme between the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS, Nellie Ohr and the Christopher Steele Dossier.

 

 

 

So with all of that said, there are a multitude of motives for the small group, and those who support the small group, to oppose President Trumps personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Consider the bigger picture behind their prior activity, engagements and motives therein. In the aggregate they have not been challenged, stopped or blocked; and as a result, all of those ideological allies have nothing to lose.

 

Adding fuel to the multidimensional motive, the U.S. media apparatus, writ large, is in alignment with the small group objectives.

 

The evidence of the media motive surfaces amid dozens of leaks surrounding the FBI raid against Michael Cohen. From those leaks hundreds of stories are being written regardless of accuracy. What each of those stories has in common is a baseline the FBI took information from the raid. This is the critical point to understand.

 

The actual content recovered from the FBI raid is irrelevant. What the media needed was the raid itself. The raid presents the factual cornerstone of every written article from which any false assertion can be made about the content. The media needed the raid, the media does not need the content. See how that works? We are seeing this in hundreds of articles based on anonymous sources who frame the narrative of content.

 

Accepting this reality we discover the big-picture small group motive. That motive facilitated by the same ideological allies who conducted the 2016 campaign against the candidacy of their enemy, Donald Trump.

 

There may be voices who have yet to understand the full scope of just how badly the DOJ and FBI are corrupted by politics. There are still some voices, co-dependents in their own abuse, who dont understand or have forgotten the recent political history of the FBI and DOJ as it relates to other matters of ideological opposition.

 

Those co-dependent voices seem to overlook, or forget, a recent Federal Judge dismissing the entire case against the Bundy family because of gross DOJ misconduct:

 

U.S. District Court Judge Gloria Navarro dismissed the charges against the four men with prejudice, meaning they cannot face trial again. She said a new trial would not be sufficient to address the problems in the case. A federal judge on Monday said the federal prosecutors conduct was outrageous and violated due process rights of the defendants. (link)

 

Those co-dependent voices seem to overlook, or forget, a stunning rebuke of ALL DOJ attorneys in the DAPA case as outlined in a judicial ruling by Federal Judge Andrew Hanen:

 

The United States Department of Justice (DOJ or Justice Department) has now admitted making statements that clearly did not match the facts. It has admitted that the lawyers who made these statements had knowledge of the truth when they made these misstatements. The DOJs only explanation has been that its lawyers either lost focus or that the fact receded in memory or awareness. [Doc. No. 242 at 18]. 2 These misrepresentations were made on multiple occasions starting with the very first hearing this Court held. This Court would be remiss if it left such unseemly and unprofessional conduct unaddressed. 3 (read 28-page ruling)

 

So it is not a matter of if the DOJ was/is a corrupt organization entirely infected by political ideologues at almost every level. That troubling reality exists, and it is supported by those who should know best; federal judges who see the gross ideological corruption.

 

The FBI is structurally broken. The organization is fractured beyond repair by political ideologues who operate at all levels. It does no good to continue looking at the situation through a false prism. Facts, evidence and actual behavior must be accepted.

 

FBI agents doing an honest job would not be conducting secret activities, falsifying evidence to FISA Courts, engaging in unlawful FISA-702 searches and shaping their investigations based on their sentiments toward the targets therein. Thats just a fact; and it doesnt take your accepting it to change the truth of it.

 

Unfortunately the oft-used we support the field agents, and are not talking about the FBI people in the various field offices etc. is a bunch of co-dependent enabling of our abusers. It is simply a bunch of hogwash feel-good double-speak; it is also entirely false.

 

Ask the Parkland, Florida parents about the Miami FBI field office and their opinion therein. Ask the families of the Orlando Pulse nightclub victims about their opinion of the Orlando FBI field office. Ask the families in/around San Bernardino, California how they feel about their local FBI field office. Ask Garland, Texas. Ask, runners in/around Boston, Massachusetts, how they feel about the FBI local field office.

 

You see, just like the DOJ from Oregon to Texas, the FBI issues are not limited to the offices in Washington DC.

 

So yeah, the FBI raid on Michael Cohens home, office and apartment in New York is just as connected to the systemic ideological enterprises that exist in all manner of other DOJ and FBI examples. The intents are entirely political and the outcome therein is entirely predictable.

 

If anyone from the FBI or DOJ want to prove me wrong. Please; go ahead. You dont have to do much to prove it. Ill accept the absence of Michael Cohen leaks and media stories as evidence of your commitment. However, I wont be holding my breath.

 

Until then, my statement on Twitter stands as demonstrably true.

 

 

TheLastRefuge

@TheLastRefuge2

The raid on @MichaelCohen212 's home and office was gov. directed political opposition research. The FBI/DOJ officials who carried out the raid will leak the content to media to damage @POTUS & engineer narratives for election(s). That was the intent of the raid

[Sho Nuff 719]

Naits what?

A highly biased opinion piece passed off as fact?

[drobeski 3,061]

Naits what?

A highly biased opinion piece passed off as fact?

didn't think so, hack or chicken schit? I'll go with both

[Sho Nuff 719]

didn't think so, hack or chicken schit? I'll go with both

Yes...you are both a hack and a chicken schitt.