vuduchile 1,945 Posted November 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Bcoz of Jerry's passion and ego, this Dallas team is good.... But bcoz of Jerry's stubbornness and ego - good is our ceiling. There is a fundamental (overall) philosophy that will forever plague this team as long as the old man is alive. * Bells & Whitles, bells and whistles... if I've said that once I've said it a 1000 times here. Jerry is enamored with shinny things, he loves glamour and glitz. He spends money stupidly on Pro bowl stars, and ignores the worker bees. * Case in point, $90m for a RB - seriously? How many games this year has #21 not even been the best RB on the field? How many times has the opposing RB looked like the #1 RB in football? Oh how great it would be to have half of that to bolster the DT position, to get some real safeties in here - but nah, those positions don't sell jerseys. * Jerry wants to win, but he wants to win his way... His way is with his guys, his thumbprint. He wants to win offensively - meaning he'd rather see his team hang 35 in a loss, than win 9-6. I feel like he signed Zeke because he thinks he needs to reinvent the triplets to get back to the SB. Hes forgotten how good his DL was back then. Casillas Hennings Maryland Lett Haley Tolbert Jeffcoat 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, vuduchile said: I feel like he signed Zeke because he thinks he needs to reinvent the triplets to get back to the SB. Hes forgotten how good his DL was back then. Casillas Hennings Maryland Lett Haley Tolbert Jeffcoat Omg, totally..... And if I'm not mistaken, Russell Maryland was the last DT we drafted in the 1st Rd. Last year the Rams ran it down our throats (223 yards) in the Divisional Rd., this year GB and future HOF'er Aaron Jones ran it down our throats...and last night D. Cook flat out embarrassed us..... How many more times does it take before somebody wakes up and gets a clue over there? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 18, 2019 Dak Prescott is first Cowboys player to throw for 3,000 or more yards in first 10 games of season https://clutchpoints.com/cowboys-news-dak-prescott-is-first-dallas-player-to-throw-for-3000-or-more-yards-in-first-10-games-of-season/?fbclid=IwAR1Lz4Yag1ISVPPwDjH7Ye9ZlIOhra6B8jhSzXSxLdIsibIV0KGZA26aRrk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Big Guy said: Dak Prescott is first Cowboys player to throw for 3,000 or more yards in first 10 games of season https://clutchpoints.com/cowboys-news-dak-prescott-is-first-dallas-player-to-throw-for-3000-or-more-yards-in-first-10-games-of-season/?fbclid=IwAR1Lz4Yag1ISVPPwDjH7Ye9ZlIOhra6B8jhSzXSxLdIsibIV0KGZA26aRrk Dak continues to surprise people - including me. I still wish (against good defenses) his recognition/check off skills were better..........and I still wish (when the run isn't working) he'd pull it and go more. On a side note: another stellar performance by our all world RB (16 for 45, 2.8 ypc).......... $90m well spent! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Dak continues to surprise people - including me. I still wish (against good defenses) his recognition/check off skills were better..........and I still wish (when the run isn't working) he'd pull it and go more. On a side note: another stellar performance by our all world RB (16 for 45, 2.8 ypc).......... $90m well spent! Yeah, him and the O Line are pissing me off. At least Zeke had an amazing catch & TD run. Pollard was fantastic yesterday. And can you believe Scarbrough? ( smh ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 18, 2019 Didn't watch much of that game. But as long as Dak is the focal point of the offense and not Zeke, the Cowboys D will suffer. Not a good strategy for a long playoff run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 701 Posted November 18, 2019 Zeke looks likes he's either old or quit. He got paid...so...yeah, that explains it. Pollard runs harder, faster and is better. Zeke maybe blocks better. That's it. What is Zeke worth, in terms of draft pick at this point? I'd say mid to high 2nd round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said: Zeke looks likes he's either old or quit. He got paid...so...yeah, that explains it. Pollard runs harder, faster and is better. Zeke maybe blocks better. That's it. What is Zeke worth, in terms of draft pick at this point? I'd say mid to high 2nd round. Not with that contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 701 Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Not with that contract. Okay...yes...I do agree with that. But as far as .... "how good is he right now on paper". Watching the Vikes game....man....Dalvin Cook runs hard and goes 100% until tackled. Hits the hole hard. The guy that tackles him, takes punishment. Big difference between Zeke and Cook, visually. 1980s RB's: 7-8 years of "in their prime" 2000 RB's - 4-6 years of "in their prime" 2019 RB's - In their prime until they get "their payday". It seems rookies and 2nd year guys lead the league in rushing wayyyyyy more than they did years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said: Okay...yes...I do agree with that. But as far as .... "how good is he right now on paper". Watching the Vikes game....man....Dalvin Cook runs hard and goes 100% until tackled. Hits the hole hard. The guy that tackles him, takes punishment. Big difference between Zeke and Cook, visually. 1980s RB's: 7-8 years of "in their prime" 2000 RB's - 4-6 years of "in their prime" 2019 RB's - In their prime until they get "their payday". It seems rookies and 2nd year guys lead the league in rushing wayyyyyy more than they did years ago. True. The ones good into their second contract like AP are outliers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Big Guy said: Dak Prescott is first Cowboys player to throw for 3,000 or more yards in first 10 games of season https://clutchpoints.com/cowboys-news-dak-prescott-is-first-dallas-player-to-throw-for-3000-or-more-yards-in-first-10-games-of-season/?fbclid=IwAR1Lz4Yag1ISVPPwDjH7Ye9ZlIOhra6B8jhSzXSxLdIsibIV0KGZA26aRrk I love it when the NFL changes the rules to make it easier for quarterbacks then talk about all the records they break. Do you really think he’s better than Roger Staubach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 18, 2019 49 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said: Zeke looks likes he's either old or quit. He got paid...so...yeah, that explains it. Pollard runs harder, faster and is better. Zeke maybe blocks better. That's it. What is Zeke worth, in terms of draft pick at this point? I'd say mid to high 2nd round. 3 things going on with Zeke: 1. In 3.5 years, Zeke (already) has 1300 total touches......... Dalvin Cook (in 2.5 years) has 517. 2. He has no burst, NONE... at 6'0, 225 lb.s - he's a focking load.. Barely 24 and he's no longer a break away threat. 3. He got paid.....nuff said. Trade value......for a dude with a lot of miles on him, no break away speed, 1 strike away from indefinite suspension and a $90m hickey due? Might was well be talking about unicorns - nobody is taking on that contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Trade value......for a dude with a lot of miles on him, no break away speed, 1 strike away from indefinite suspension and a $90m hickey due? Might was well be talking about unicorns - nobody is taking on that contract. The Viking could be up for that challenge 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Baker Boy said: I love it when the NFL changes the rules to make it easier for quarterbacks then talk about all the records they break. Do you really think he’s better than Roger Staubach? The way he's playing lately? Yes! And Roger's my guy! We'll calculate it all when his career is over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Big Guy said: The way he's playing lately? Yes! And Roger's my guy! We'll calculate it all when his career is over. My point is you can’t compare them. It is a completely different game. The rules have been changed to to the benefit of the WR and QB. Many of the QB who are playing today couldn’t have made it back them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Baker Boy said: My point is you can’t compare them. It is a completely different game. The rules have been changed to to the benefit of the WR and QB. Many of the QB who are playing today couldn’t have made it back them. I hear you, but that doesn't mean Dak isn't playing as well as Roger ever did. Dak is ballin' right now, and I would choose him over a young Staubach if he were on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Big Guy said: I hear you, but that doesn't mean Dak isn't playing as well as Roger ever did. Dak is ballin' right now, and I would choose him over a young Staubach if he were on the roster. Blasphemy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted November 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Baker Boy said: My point is you can’t compare them. It is a completely different game. The rules have been changed to to the benefit of the WR and QB. Many of the QB who are playing today couldn’t have made it back them. 5 hours ago, Big Guy said: I hear you, but that doesn't mean Dak isn't playing as well as Roger ever did. Dak is ballin' right now, and I would choose him over a young Staubach if he were on the roster. That goes both ways. You just can’t compare athletes from different eras. Dak is a better athlete than Roger For the most part, all of today’s athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and more agile. Dropping Roger into today’s game would be quite a shock for him. 300 lb DL’s with the speed and quickness of a RB would be a big adjustment. Dak probably wouldn’t be able to take the hits Roger did, but his opponents wouldn’t be able to catch him if he decided to move outside the pocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, vuduchile said: That goes both ways. You just can’t compare athletes from different eras. Dak is a better athlete than Roger For the most part, all of today’s athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and more agile. Dropping Roger into today’s game would be quite a shock for him. 300 lb DL’s with the speed and quickness of a RB would be a big adjustment. Dak probably wouldn’t be able to take the hits Roger did, but his opponents wouldn’t be able to catch him if he decided to move outside the pocket. well said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,942 Posted November 19, 2019 This thread has a lot of dack sucking going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 19, 2019 Patriots 53 Cowgirls 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted November 19, 2019 Roger was a game manager extraordinaire. A dagger on 3rd down. Played with a far better team than Dak has, in a far simpler time. Even adjusted for era Dak is better in so many ways but he has to be for the Cowboys to just be competitive. My tune is changing on him, just like everyone else's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, TimmySmith said: Roger was a game manager extraordinaire. A dagger on 3rd down. Played with a far better team than Dak has, in a far simpler time. Even adjusted for era Dak is better in so many ways but he has to be for the Cowboys to just be competitive. My tune is changing on him, just like everyone else's. Dak has certainly turned the corner to top tier status. It's just not a winning formula for that particular team. Very expensive, veteran offensive line, top paid running back, and two, one being his, huge contracts coming. One difference maker on defense (Lawrence) on a defense that gets exposed because of the offense. This team would need HFA or no bad weather to make it to the dance. A bye wouldn't hurt. Fun team though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted November 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Dak has certainly turned the corner to top tier status. It's just not a winning formula for that particular team. Very expensive, veteran offensive line, top paid running back, and two, one being his, huge contracts coming. One difference maker on defense (Lawrence) on a defense that gets exposed because of the offense. This team would need HFA or no bad weather to make it to the dance. A bye wouldn't hurt. Fun team though. Giving zeke that big contract was a big time mistake. Damn near everyone here called it. Dak better be top flight, cause he'll be asked to win shootouts for the foreseeable future, as there isn't any money for defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said: Giving zeke that big contract was a big time mistake. Damn near everyone here called it. Dak better be top flight, cause he'll be asked to win shootouts for the foreseeable future, as there isn't any money for defense. This Unlike Zeke, Dak is a stand up guy, great leader, positive, uplifting individual that may be able to carry us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 5 hours ago, drobeski said: Patriots 53 Cowgirls 3 I'm pretty sure you're joking In the same way Dallas finds a way to lose to scabs, they also rise up to greatness. Dallas 37 Boston 31 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 19, 2019 I'm still waiting for this team to step up and beat someone with a winning record - outside our division. Losses to NO, GB and Minny, plus the stinking Jets..................this team is a fraud. Smoke and mirror record with a defense that can't stop the run, is easily thrown on and when faced with a real defense on the other side - can't run the ball either. If Dallas wins the East it will be bcoz Philly sucks even worse and we back in bocz - well, somebody has to finish 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruzer said: I'm still waiting for this team to step up and beat someone with a winning record - outside our division. Losses to NO, GB and Minny, plus the stinking Jets..................this team is a fraud. Smoke and mirror record with a defense that can't stop the run, is easily thrown on and when faced with a real defense on the other side - can't run the ball either. If Dallas wins the East it will be bcoz Philly sucks even worse and we back in bocz - well, somebody has to finish 1st. I don't think they're a fraud, they simply have problems like every other team. I think that THIS is the week we find out who they really are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted November 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Big Guy said: I don't think they're a fraud, they simply have problems like every other team. I think that THIS is the week we find out who they really are. I think we already know. They're a poorly coached, average team with a decent mix of offensive weapons and porous defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Big Guy said: I don't think they're a fraud, they simply have problems like every other team. I think that THIS is the week we find out who they really are. After home losses to GB and Minny, loss to the Jets and a dogfight to the end with Detroit - you still don't know who they really are...................really? Vudu pegged it - this is a somewhat talented team with no coaching direction whatsoever... Which is a shame. Bcoz Dak seems to really be making strides and we are wasting what could be a special year.... Remember the weeks of GB and Minny - those were huge games, games were we find out "what we really are" too. In both we went down 14-0 in the 1st quarter - in both we insisted on running the ball on 1st down and kept getting stuffed, in both we couldn't stop the other team's non-$90m RB, in both we got out coached. I think we know exactly what this team is........... an underachieving, poorly coached, financially mismanaged, stubborn ass, clueless, non run stopping pretender. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruzer said: After home losses to GB and Minny, loss to the Jets and a dogfight to the end with Detroit - you still don't know who they really are...................really? Vudu pegged it - this is a somewhat talented team with no coaching direction whatsoever... Which is a shame. Bcoz Dak seems to really be making strides and we are wasting what could be a special year.... Remember the weeks of GB and Minny - those were huge games, games were we find out "what we really are" too. In both we went down 14-0 in the 1st quarter - in both we insisted on running the ball on 1st down and kept getting stuffed, in both we couldn't stop the other team's non-$90m RB, in both we got out coached. I think we know exactly what this team is........... an underachieving, poorly coached, financially mismanaged, stubborn ass, clueless, non run stopping pretender. Yes all of that is true so far........what will you say if we go to Foxboro and come away with an impressive victory? Right now we're 6-4 and in 1st place in our division that so far we've swept convincingly. Our 4 losses were all close games, 3 of those losses were to some of the best teams in the League and in those games we lost by only a total of 18 points. I personally feel this team though not perfect, is capable of overcoming mistakes and winning it all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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vuduchile 1,945 Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Big Guy said: Yes all of that is true so far........what will you say if we go to Foxboro and come away with an impressive victory? Right now we're 6-4 and in 1st place in our division that so far we've swept convincingly. Our 4 losses were all close games, 3 of those losses were to some of the best teams in the League and in those games we lost by only a total of 18 points. I personally feel this team though not perfect, is capable of overcoming mistakes and winning it all. Any Given Sunday can work sometimes, but it’s not a good long term strategy. Jerry and Jason can’t seem to get all phases of the game clicking at the same time. Some of that is personnel related, the rest is poor coaching. I wish I had a more positive outlook for this team, but I gotta call it like I see it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, vuduchile said: Any Given Sunday can work sometimes, but it’s not a good long term strategy. Jerry and Jason can’t seem to get all phases of the game clicking at the same time. Some of that is personnel related, the rest is poor coaching. I wish I had a more positive outlook for this team, but I gotta call it like I see it I fully understand and agree. But I like to root for the underdog even if they are mental. They're like a Prize Fighter in their golden years that got too many hits to the head. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Big Guy said: Yes all of that is true so far........what will you say if we go to Foxboro and come away with an impressive victory? A win in NE would be impressive - and it would all but seal you the Division. But would it cure my Cowboys ulcer, would it make me a believer? No, most certainly not. What it really might do is say more about NE than Dallas. In evaluating this team I look at the collection of work, not an any given Sunday. Whenever this Dallas team faces a playoff contender - they fail. In NO they lost to a backup QB and a team that didn't score an offensive TD. At home, GB and Minny both embarrassed us. Beating up on Washington and the Giants is no measure of contender - dominating the Dolphins does little to reassure me. I love my Boys as much as you or anyone else. But the wishing, hoping, if's and butt's have run their course. The problem with this Cowboys team is systemic, and it runs deep. The problem with this Cowboys team isn't new, it's not a 2019 thing - and I'll tell you what it is................ Jerry and Red are stuck in the 90's. Those two clowns are convinced ball-control, run run run Zeke, into 9 man fronts, is the way to win. Even if you average 2.0 ypc - you run it. Even if you're moving it up and down the field in the air - you have to back off and run it bcoz you have to be balanced. So what if we're always in 2nd and 8, 2nd and 9 - we have $90m in the backfield and he's a superstar, run it... On the flip side - this team undervalues the DT position. Jerry and/or Marinelli are convinced you can get by with mid round, undersized guys to stop the run.... Well, you can't - and it's having a ripple effect. J. Smith and Vander Esch look pedestrian bcoz they can't get free - they're getting blown up by guards. We need some big, nasty, 12 sandwich eating mofos to take up space, eat up blockers - and clog that middle. I want to see: * Stop running it on 1s down more than you pass. The split needs to be (at least) 60/40. * Zeke involved the passing game - and for that matter, Pollard too. Every time they catch a screen pass, things happen. Our RBs should see (no less than) 5 targets a game. * Dak - pull it and run FFS! Your legs are chain movers - use them. * Get B. Jarwain more involved. This kid makes plays - stop giving all the snaps to Witten. * The defense, I don't know. We have to find a way to stop the run and we have to find a way to stop the screen pass. RBs are eating us alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,515 Posted November 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Big Guy said: Yes all of that is true so far........what will you say if we go to Foxboro and come away with an impressive victory? Right now we're 6-4 and in 1st place in our division that so far we've swept convincingly. Our 4 losses were all close games, 3 of those losses were to some of the best teams in the League and in those games we lost by only a total of 18 points. I personally feel this team though not perfect, is capable of overcoming mistakes and winning it all. The Cowboys needed 444 yards from Dak to beat the Lions with a backup QB and a running back signed that week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,414 Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The Cowboys needed 444 yards from Dak to beat the Lions with a backup QB and a running back signed that week. Yes, our Defense sucks, so much so that they embolden the other team instead of taking care of business early, making it harder to beat them. The entire team lacks maturity, and much of that is just bad coaching. My hope is that the rest of the team rises to Daks level of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,573 Posted November 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Cruzer said: A win in NE would be impressive - and it would all but seal you the Division. But would it cure my Cowboys ulcer, would it make me a believer? No, most certainly not. What it really might do is say more about NE than Dallas. In evaluating this team I look at the collection of work, not an any given Sunday. Whenever this Dallas team faces a playoff contender - they fail. In NO they lost to a backup QB and a team that didn't score an offensive TD. At home, GB and Minny both embarrassed us. Beating up on Washington and the Giants is no measure of contender - dominating the Dolphins does little to reassure me. I love my Boys as much as you or anyone else. But the wishing, hoping, if's and butt's have run their course. The problem with this Cowboys team is systemic, and it runs deep. The problem with this Cowboys team isn't new, it's not a 2019 thing - and I'll tell you what it is................ Jerry and Red are stuck in the 90's. Those two clowns are convinced ball-control, run run run Zeke, into 9 man fronts, is the way to win. Even if you average 2.0 ypc - you run it. Even if you're moving it up and down the field in the air - you have to back off and run it bcoz you have to be balanced. So what if we're always in 2nd and 8, 2nd and 9 - we have $90m in the backfield and he's a superstar, run it... On the flip side - this team undervalues the DT position. Jerry and/or Marinelli are convinced you can get by with mid round, undersized guys to stop the run.... Well, you can't - and it's having a ripple effect. J. Smith and Vander Esch look pedestrian bcoz they can't get free - they're getting blown up by guards. We need some big, nasty, 12 sandwich eating mofos to take up space, eat up blockers - and clog that middle. I want to see: * Stop running it on 1s down more than you pass. The split needs to be (at least) 60/40. * Zeke involved the passing game - and for that matter, Pollard too. Every time they catch a screen pass, things happen. Our RBs should see (no less than) 5 targets a game. * Dak - pull it and run FFS! Your legs are chain movers - use them. * Get B. Jarwain more involved. This kid makes plays - stop giving all the snaps to Witten. * The defense, I don't know. We have to find a way to stop the run and we have to find a way to stop the screen pass. RBs are eating us alive. While I don't necessarily disagree with your concerns, you take what the defense gives you. If they're giving you the ground game, take it. Feed Zeke all day long and take your shots downfield when you want. If they're stacking the box then turn Dak loose and let him spread it around. But they should be a run first team whenever possible imo. You dictate tempo, control the clock and wear down opposing D's when you run the ball and, just as importantly, you keep opposing offenses on the sideline. Dak is good. He isn't great. Relying too heavily on him is not a good plan for the future in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites