Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[Herbivore 1,142]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

He PRESUMED this.  He made that very clear today.  Since when is presumption considered evidence?  And I'm not sure I believe you that he even believes that.  EVERY witness was asked if Trump had ever predicated aid on an investigation and not one, AFAIK, has said he did.  In fact, Sondland asked him what he wanted from Ukraine and Trump specifically said "Nothing.  No Quid Pro Quo."  He literally said no Quid Pro Quo.  So you can keep saying one thing but the EVIDENCE says something entirely different.  Which is why you'll have to excuse me if I pick and choose when to respond to your idiocy.  I'm not going to waste valuable time doing so.  If I'm in a downtime, like now waiting for the Nuggets game to start, I may choose to just to see what other idiocy you come up with. 

what did he say after "no quid pro quo"?

[shorepatrol 1,871]

55 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

what did he say after "no quid pro quo"?

You know what he said. Give it to us word for word

[TimmySmith 2,782]

No one left and no smoking gun. The Democrats have some polling to do.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

13 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump said that after the thing had already blown up on him. The whistleblower report had been filed and lots of people were asking why the aid had been held up. Of course he was going to say that then.

 You didn’t answer the question—isn’t the July 25 summary enough to tie Trump to this? He asks Zelensky to investigate the Bidens. Now we’re supposed to believe the direction to pressure Zelensky into doing so didn’t come from him?

You keep dodging responding to this:

Guilliani has been digging around Ukraine since at least March 2019 and Biden didn't announce til late April 2019. How does one target someone BEFORE they make a decision? 

Also, Yovanovitch gets fired April 24th. Biden announced April 25th. Has it occured to you that since the whistle blower, Eric Ciarimella worked with Biden and had deep ties in Ukraine (as well as those diplomats who acted illegally) this is nothing more than a distraction?

[Utilit99 4,099]

One could have gone to sleep in January of 2016 and woke up today and asked, "So what did the dems find dirty on Trump since I've been asleep?"

"Nothing."

"So why are they still going on about this and wasting people's time and money?"

[5-Points 3,578]

1 hour ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

You keep dodging responding to this:

Guilliani has been digging around Ukraine since at least March 2019 and Biden didn't announce til late April 2019. How does one target someone BEFORE they make a decision? 

Also, Yovanovitch gets fired April 24th. Biden announced April 25th. Has it occured to you that since the whistle blower, Eric Ciarimella worked with Biden and had deep ties in Ukraine (as well as those diplomats who acted illegally) this is nothing more than a distraction?

Or worse. Biden decided to run so the Dems could claim Trump was investigating a political rival instead of just an ordinary citizen. 

How's that for a conspiracy theory? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lots of money from Ukraine donors flowed into the Clinton foundation. Things that make you go hmmmmm

A lot of money. From connected, powerful people. Hmmmm. And it was funny listening to the libtards at the debate last night all going on about Saudi Arabia and how corrupt and backwards they are. Hillary didn't mind cashing their checks. Bill too. Frauds.  

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

12 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Sondland admits Trump said directly to him that he wanted "no quid pro quo".

Sondland admits nobody told him that aid was tied to anything, it was merely his assumption.

 

 

Meanwhile, at CNN and FBG:

https://imgoat.com/uploads/c4b761a28b/156554.gif

That's a wrap folks.

Another point worth noting; all these 'Ukrainian experts' and State Dept officials................why didn't they tell Trump there were already investigations restarted on Burisma in Feb 2019? If they didn't know, what good are they? If they did know and didn't pass that information off to Trump, what would be their reasoning?

Burisma exec under indictment, Hunter Biden and associates named as receiving 7+ million in nefarious funds.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

20 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Or worse. Biden decided to run so the Dems could claim Trump was investigating a political rival instead of just an ordinary citizen. 

How's that for a conspiracy theory? 

That was the point of the whistleblower as well. It provides cover for Yovanovitch's illegal activities, Eric Ciarimella's, etc.........

"You're just attacked the brave people who turned you in!!!"  

Pathetic but it will fail.  Trump said recently of Yovanovitch 'She's gone through some stuff and she'll go through some more'.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

IG report Dec 9.  Expect the impeachment vote to happen that day. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Sondland gave just the perfect amount of testimony as to completely muddy the waters.  The left was desperate for someone to actually use the phrase qpq, and Sondland did, but based upon recollections, and only in the context of a WH visit, not the aid.  No one used it prior to the money going to Ukraine, except Taylor of course, when obviously trying to entrap Sondland, who didn't bite.  

In summation, the best the left possibly got from Sondland was Investigation for WH visit.  Get ready for another direction change.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

2 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

You keep dodging responding to this:

Guilliani has been digging around Ukraine since at least March 2019 and Biden didn't announce til late April 2019. How does one target someone BEFORE they make a decision? 

Also, Yovanovitch gets fired April 24th. Biden announced April 25th. Has it occured to you that since the whistle blower, Eric Ciarimella worked with Biden and had deep ties in Ukraine (as well as those diplomats who acted illegally) this is nothing more than a distraction?

I’m not dodging it, it’s a stupid question. Everyone knew Biden was going to run by then. There are things you have to do before you run, mostly for campaign finance law purposes, like set up an “exploratory committee” and the like. It’s a constant issue with your dumbass theories—anyone with a basic understanding of the issues would immediately recognize the fallacy

[IGotWorms 4,059]

20 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Sondland gave just the perfect amount of testimony as to completely muddy the waters.  The left was desperate for someone to actually use the phrase qpq, and Sondland did, but based upon recollections, and only in the context of a WH visit, not the aid.  No one used it prior to the money going to Ukraine, except Taylor of course, when obviously trying to entrap Sondland, who didn't bite.  

In summation, the best the left possibly got from Sondland was Investigation for WH visit.  Get ready for another direction change.

Totally wrong. He said Bidens were included and so was military aid. Came from trumps personal attorney who speaks on his behalf. Lots of other circumstantial evidence and snippets too, e.g. bill Taylor’s aid overhearing phone conversation where Trump mentioned Bidens in connection with investigation

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m not dodging it, it’s a stupid question. Everyone knew Biden was going to run by then. There are things you have to do before you run, mostly for campaign finance law purposes, like set up an “exploratory committee” and the like. It’s a constant issue with your dumbass theories—anyone with a basic understanding of the issues would immediately recognize the fallacy

More 'Presumed' testimony? Did Sondland tell you to Presume Biden was going to run?

The timing speaks volumes. Yovanovitch gets sh!tcanned, then the next day Biden declares.

What do you think about Burisma exec being indicted? More 'Conspiracy'?  I've posted facts supporting my assertions. You post 'Presumptions'

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Totally wrong. He said Bidens were included and so was military aid. Came from trumps personal attorney who speaks on his behalf

Sondland was not told by anyone on Earth that there was a connection i.e. quid pro quo. What aliens told him this then? 

He presumed i.e. it was HIS thinking. Nothing more.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

2 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

More 'Presumed' testimony? Did Sondland tell you to Presume Biden was going to run?

The timing speaks volumes. Yovanovitch gets sh!tcanned, then the next day Biden declares.

What do you think about Burisma exec being indicted? More 'Conspiracy'?  I've posted facts supporting my assertions. You post 'Presumptions'

[RLLD 4,256]

25 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Sondland gave just the perfect amount of testimony as to completely muddy the waters.  The left was desperate for someone to actually use the phrase qpq, and Sondland did, but based upon recollections, and only in the context of a WH visit, not the aid.  No one used it prior to the money going to Ukraine, except Taylor of course, when obviously trying to entrap Sondland, who didn't bite.  

In summation, the best the left possibly got from Sondland was Investigation for WH visit.  Get ready for another direction change.

I was just a little amused by him....  at one point he states the president literally told him "I want nothing from them".......but then is states that he assumes a qui pro quo....he is a funny sorta fella....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

I Presume you concede. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Totally wrong. He said Bidens were included and so was military aid. Came from trumps personal attorney who speaks on his behalf. Lots of other circumstantial evidence and snippets too, e.g. bill Taylor’s aid overhearing phone conversation where Trump mentioned Bidens in connection with investigation

He said he "presumed" aid was involved.  He also said he didn't know Burisma meant Biden. 

Sondland is certainly an odd bird. Paid for his ambassadorship, as most do, but he appears to be sort of a Barney Fife type, who envisioned himself as some sort of spy.

[nzoner 937]

Didn't see this clip posted,so in case you missed it,"3500 pages of testimony and the word bribery used once....about Vice president Biden's alleged conduct."

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

22 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

He said he "presumed" aid was involved.  He also said he didn't know Burisma meant Biden. 

Sondland is certainly an odd bird. Paid for his ambassadorship, as most do, but he appears to be sort of a Barney Fife type, who envisioned himself as some sort of spy.

Nailed it. Didn't know Burisma meant Biden yet the State dept had concerns all the way back in regard to Hunter Biden? Where was this doofus and if he doesn't know that, what the fock are we paying him for?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

6 minutes ago, nzoner said:

Didn't see this clip posted,so in case you missed it,"3500 pages of testimony and the word bribery used once....about Vice president Biden's alleged conduct."

 

Pelosi's Chief of Staff these days............

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I was just a little amused by him....  at one point he states the president literally told him "I want nothing from them".......but then is states that he assumes a qui pro quo....he is a funny sorta fella....

Because the president said that way after the fact and he knew it was bullsh1t. But, much as he was willing to toss others under the bus to save himself, he wasn’t going quite that far.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

32 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

He said he "presumed" aid was involved.  He also said he didn't know Burisma meant Biden. 

Sondland is certainly an odd bird. Paid for his ambassadorship, as most do, but he appears to be sort of a Barney Fife type, who envisioned himself as some sort of spy.

But we all know Burisma meant Biden because trump told Zelensky that on July 25. Sondland’s comments to the contrary (for solely his own purposes) is self serving and irrelevant

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Sondland’s comments to the contrary (for solely his own purposes) is self serving and irrelevant

Walter Mitty had a better grasp on reality. 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

Walter Mitty had a better grasp on reality. 

True or false: Trump brought up the Bidens in the July 25 phone call.

[edjr 6,608]

I mean this with 100% sincerity.

Thank god we have Worms to keep this place from being Fox News.

Bravo sir

[IGotWorms 4,059]

This’ll be an interesting one to follow today:

Democrats and Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee will take turns on Thursday questioning David Holmes, a career diplomat who said he was told President Trump cared more about investigating his political rivals than about the welfare of Ukraine. 

As a political counselor to the United States Embassy in Ukraine’s capital, Mr. Holmes was privy to high-level conversations between top American and Ukrainian officials, and was often expected to take detailed notes of their conversations.

One of these conversations in particular — a cellphone call between Mr. Trump and the United States ambassador to the European Union, Gordon D. Sondland — has been a focal point of the House impeachment hearings. 

During the call, Mr. Sondland assured Mr. Trump that Ukraine’s newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, would be willing to go along with his demand to investigate the business dealings of Hunter Biden, the younger son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., according to Mr. Holmes.

“I’ve never seen anything like this,” Mr. Holmes said last Friday in closed-door testimony to House impeachment investigators. “There’s just so much about the call that was so remarkable that I remember it vividly,” he said.

[MDC 7,514]

49 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

I Presume you concede. 

Maybe he’s got other things to do? 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

I mean this with 100% sincerity.

Thank god we have Worms to keep this place from being Fox News.

Bravo sir

Thanks Ed

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Just now, MDC said:

Maybe he’s got other things to do? 

Yer mom taking on new customers? 

Good luck Worms! 

[MDC 7,514]

2 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Yer mom taking on new customers? 

Good luck Worms! 

Seriously, you’ve got hundreds and hundreds of posts in this thread. If somebody walks away maybe they just have stuff to do.

I don’t stop to debate every ranting loon I pass on the street corner.  

[edjr 6,608]

7 minutes ago, edjr said:

I mean this with 100% sincerity.

Thank god we have Worms to keep this place from being Fox News.

Bravo sir

Oh and MDC too, even though he is 100% satire

[IGotWorms 4,059]

57 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

I Presume you concede. 

I missed this one. I don’t know what to tell you. The trump administration knew Biden was going to run as did everyone. They knew Biden has the best shot of beating Trump according to polls, most notably in the key battleground states—we all knew that. So they launched this plan to force Ukraine to meddle in the election to undermine Biden’s candidacy. Firing the ambassador who was seen as having far too much integrity to go along with the scheme was part of that. If you want to live in some alternative reality I suppose that’s your prerogative and you’ve been doing it for years now. But it’s just silly.

[Gladiators 1,995]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I missed this one. I don’t know what to tell you. The trump administration knew Biden was going to run as did everyone. They knew Biden has the best shot of beating Trump according to polls, most notably in the key battleground states—we all knew that. So they launched this plan to force Ukraine to meddle in the election to undermine Biden’s candidacy. Firing the ambassador who was seen as having far too much integrity to go along with the scheme was part of that. If you want to live in some alternative reality I suppose that’s your prerogative and you’ve been doing it for years now. But it’s just silly.

Sounds like you've got this all figured out.  When are you being called as a witness?

You've got my vote for GOTY if you mention the GC on live TV.  Also, at the very end, you HAVE to say, "and Epstein didn't kill himself."

[Cdub100 3,936]

In fairness to ole Sonddy the previous administration was one of the most corrupt in history. So he presumed base on past experiences.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t stop to debate every ranting loon I pass on the street corner.  

Quit bringing yer mom back into this discussion. You trying to drum up bidness?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I missed this one. I don’t know what to tell you. The trump administration knew Biden was going to run as did everyone. They knew Biden has the best shot of beating Trump according to polls, most notably in the key battleground states—we all knew that. So they launched this plan to force Ukraine to meddle in the election to undermine Biden’s candidacy. Firing the ambassador who was seen as having far too much integrity to go along with the scheme was part of that. If you want to live in some alternative reality I suppose that’s your prerogative and you’ve been doing it for years now. But it’s just silly.

Yovanovitch spied on journalists, gave a list to Ukrainian prosecutors of people NOT to investigate and told Ukrainians to disregard Trump. Those are facts. That's why she was fired; not for having too much integrity. Is that the measure of someone with integrity to you?

[Strike 5,605]

29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

But we all know Burisma meant Biden because trump told Zelensky that on July 25. Sondland’s comments to the contrary (for solely his own purposes) is self serving and irrelevant

When combined with ignoring his perjury, which you acknowledge, it's quite obvious you simply believe anything he says that helps your POV and dismiss anything that doesn't.  It's a pretty sad way to process "evidence."