Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[Intense Observer 344]

5 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Skokin or w/e the fock his name is was the investigator over Biden's son's case and was the one Biden got removed. It's not that hard of a concept. Biden got the guy investigating his son fired. PERIOD.

I see the issue now.

"When you say Biden got the guy investigating his son fired" you are being a little loose with your words.

Hunter Biden was not under investigation himself. The company was under investigation, Hunter was just collecting $50k/mo because he was on their board.

Now that is pretty obvious quid pro quo (VP of US becomes liaison with Ukraine, 3 months later his son is offered a board seat with a $50k/mo stipend in an industry he has zero experience, US then sends billions in aid and weapons to Ukraine). And this in itself should be investigated, which it sounds like exactly what Trump has tasked Barr with doing based on the transcripts.

You have to watch your words though, because your vagueness led MDC on a 3 day rant about Hunter Biden and possibly influenced others here who rely on FFT for their news by muddying the waters.

When dealing with trolls and tards you have to be very specific so they don't misinterpret and go on a 3 day rant.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So, its doesnt say what you want it to....therefore, you question the validity.....interesting....

No not correct.

It’s damning—no question about that.

My point is this is the scrubbed version so just imagine how damning a REAL, i.e. verbatim, transcript might be!

Hopefully we won’t have to imagine, though, as it seems there was a recording. Which makes you wonder why we got a paraphrased version instead.

[MDC 7,470]

How sad would it be to start an alias to try to pick fights with someone who ignores you, only to have that person ignore your alias too.

  

[Intense Observer 344]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

How sad would it be to start an alias to try to pick fights with someone who ignores you, only to have that person ignore your alias too.

  

Thanks for clarifying that you are not here for discussion, only to act like a biotch. I will skip your nonsense going forward. It was silly to expect any lefties here would be worth engaging.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

38 minutes ago, edjr said:

bu bu but biden

We don’t even need to get into the sadly predictable “but Hilary!” or “but Biden!” nonsense.

Even assuming some actions could be equated, which is probably a helluva stretch, neither of those people are president.

If Biden was president, and he cut off aid to the Ukraine, and then he called the Ukraine prime minister and said “hey we’ve done a lot for you right? Now how about you investigate my likely 2024 opponent for re-election,” then yes, I’d say the fictional President Biden should be impeached.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Crowdstrike mentioned.......prove the DNC server wasn't hacked and then you have to address who leaked the emails.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Watching Libs cry in their beer is still funny.  And the same comedy over and over usually gets stale.

Especially our resident fake lawyer, who doesn't ever see the miles and bridges needed to cross to arrive at a verdict. 

[drobeski 3,061]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

We don’t even need to get into the sadly predictable “but Hilary!” or “but Biden!” nonsense.

Even assuming some actions could be equated, which is probably a helluva stretch, neither of those people are president.

If Biden was president, and he cut off aid to the Ukraine, and then he called the Ukraine prime minister and said “hey we’ve done a lot for you right? Now how about you investigate my likely 2024 opponent for re-election,” then yes, I’d say the fictional President Biden should be impeached.

He likes you ed, he likes you!

[edjr 6,602]

6 minutes ago, drobeski said:

He likes you ed, he likes you!

[IGotWorms 4,058]

7 minutes ago, drobeski said:

He likes you ed, he likes you!

Strange bedfellows, as they say...

[Intense Observer 344]

19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

We don’t even need to get into the sadly predictable “but Hilary!” or “but Biden!” nonsense.

Even assuming some actions could be equated, which is probably a helluva stretch, neither of those people are president.

If Biden was president, and he cut off aid to the Ukraine, and then he called the Ukraine prime minister and said “hey we’ve done a lot for you right? Now how about you investigate my likely 2024 opponent for re-election,” then yes, I’d say the fictional President Biden should be impeached.

1. No aid was cut off by Trump, you are literally making that up. Now Biden is on video admitting to threatening to withhold a billion dollars, perhaps you are just confused.

2. We have a treaty, ironically approved by Senator Biden in 1999, with Ukraine. It specifically calls for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. Burisma was being investigated for criminal matters when Biden bribed Ukraine with a billion dollars to fire the lead prosecutor (this is on video, he admits it. There is no insinuation or subtext needed). Biden bribing them to fire the guy investigating a company that his son collects $50k/mo from could very well be a criminal matter to any reasonable person. At least worth investigating.

Sounds like Trump and Ukraine are just exercising their rights under the treaty that Biden approved and Clinton signed.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

[supermike80 1,922]

5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think that's the point that's being made.  The point is, we know Biden actually did what they're accusing Trump of doing... and we knew a long time ago, yet nothing was done.  Since that's the case, why didn't the media or Democrats say something then?  They didn't, because Biden was "their guy".  It's only an issue now, because it's Trump.  Points to the hypocrisy of the Left and why the MSM is not actually news or journalism now, it's the public relations department for the DNC.

 

That said, I don't actually believe Trump is guilty of what they (media/democrats), say he is.  I know for a fact that Biden is.  When it comes out that Trump is again, innocent of the charges, what are the odds that Biden becomes an afterthought from the left and MSM?  I'm thinking 100%.

Whatever the democrats or Biden did or didn't do is a different conversation.   I agree, its hypocritical, nothing surprising in today's politics.  But it in no way gives Trump a free pass.  

[Intense Observer 344]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Whatever the democrats or Biden did or didn't do is a different conversation.   I agree, its hypocritical, nothing surprising in today's politics.  But it in no way gives Trump a free pass.  

Read my post above.

We have a treaty with Ukraine specifically for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. 

If Trump asked them to look into Biden firing the prosecutor who was investigating a criminal matter at the company his son was collecting $50k/mo from, could that possibly have merit?

He didn't ask Ukraine to spy on Biden, send informants to meet with him to entrap him, or appoint a special prosecutor to investigate every person and conversation from the last 30 years. That would obviously be treason.

He asked Ukraine to look into and clarify with our AG (who investigates criminal matters) what exactly happened in 2016 with Joe Biden, the guy he fired, the possible bribe, and the $50k/mo Hunter Biden was receiving.

There is a pretty obvious difference between the two.

[supermike80 1,922]

Just now, Intense Observer said:

Read my post above.

We have a treaty with Ukraine specifically for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. 

If Trump asked them to look into Biden firing the prosecutor who was investigating a criminal matter at the company his son was collecting $50k/mo from, could that possibly have merit?

He didn't ask Ukraine to spy on Biden, send informants to meet with him to entrap him, or appoint a special prosecutor to investigate every person and conversation from the last 30 years. That would obviously be treason.

He asked Ukraine to look into and clarify with our AG (who investigates criminal matters) what exactly happened in 2016 with Joe Biden, the guy he fired, the possible bribe, and the $50k/mo Hunter Biden was receiving.

There is a pretty obvious difference between the two.

Trump isn't an investigator.  So no.  Not his place in my opinion.  

[RLLD 4,242]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

No not correct.

It’s damning—no question about that.

My point is this is the scrubbed version so just imagine how damning a REAL, i.e. verbatim, transcript might be!

Hopefully we won’t have to imagine, though, as it seems there was a recording. Which makes you wonder why we got a paraphrased version instead.

What is damning exactly?  Thus far I have a bigger problem with Biden's actions than with Trumps.  And if Trump wants to block money/support to Ukraine I am good with that in general.

[RLLD 4,242]

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The alleged whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications that partly prompted the complaint to the inspector general, an official briefed on the matter told CNN on Thursday. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.

Link

LMFAO.....hilarious

[edjr 6,602]

FOUR MORE YEARS!  FOUR MORE YEARS!

[TimmySmith 2,782]

41 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Whatever the democrats or Biden did or didn't do is a different conversation.   I agree, its hypocritical, nothing surprising in today's politics.  But it in no way gives Trump a free pass.  

Tough to separate, because this is all really about Biden.  All of it.  Every bit.

[Baker Boy 1,700]

Ukraine president, in meeting with Trump, says ‘nobody pushed me’ to probe Biden

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

34 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Trump isn't an investigator.  So no.  Not his place in my opinion.  

Put it this way. The previous administration said (via Biden and who knows who else) 'Don't investigate this or else aid will be cut off'. That's proven already.

Evidence also shows Ukraine has been trying to report this to no avail. The transcript shows Trump is asking/letting them know THIS administration is okay with them doing that. See the difference?

[avoiding injuries 1,589]

47 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Whatever the democrats or Biden did or didn't do is a different conversation.   I agree, its hypocritical, nothing surprising in today's politics.  But it in no way gives Trump a free pass.  

For reference 

[supermike80 1,922]

1 minute ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Put it this way. The previous administration said (via Biden and who knows who else) 'Don't investigate this or else aid will be cut off'. That's proven already.

Evidence also shows Ukraine has been trying to report this to no avail. The transcript shows Trump is asking/letting them know THIS administration is okay with them doing that. See the difference?

I don't.   I understand what you're saying, but I don't trust it

[Baker Boy 1,700]

Now it looks like the DNC Server was never hacked.

[RLLD 4,242]

I am astonished that the leftists, and in particular their media propagandists, have the gall to behave this way when we have video of Biden......doing something worse....  I mean, wow.....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Link

LMFAO.....hilarious

And the I.C. IG found the complaintant (he isn't a whistleblower) showed bias towards Trump 2020 opponent.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

58 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

1. No aid was cut off by Trump, you are literally making that up. Now Biden is on video admitting to threatening to withhold a billion dollars, perhaps you are just confused.

2. We have a treaty, ironically approved by Senator Biden in 1999, with Ukraine. It specifically calls for mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. Burisma was being investigated for criminal matters when Biden bribed Ukraine with a billion dollars to fire the lead prosecutor (this is on video, he admits it. There is no insinuation or subtext needed). Biden bribing them to fire the guy investigating a company that his son collects $50k/mo from could very well be a criminal matter to any reasonable person. At least worth investigating.

Sounds like Trump and Ukraine are just exercising their rights under the treaty that Biden approved and Clinton signed.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

 No aid cut off by Trump? You’re focking nuts!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 No aid cut off by Trump? You’re focking nuts!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

You are fighting against people who going with the Biden had the guy fired for investigating his son's company fairy tale....you can find better uses of your time, like teaching a cow to speak.   

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are fighting against people who going with the Biden had the guy fired for investigating his son's company fairy tale....you can find better uses of your time, like teaching a cow to speak.   

I know

[RLLD 4,242]

11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are fighting against people who going with the Biden had the guy fired for investigating his son's company fairy tale....you can find better uses of your time, like teaching a cow to speak.   

So when Biden said that he was just embellishing?  I mean if that's the case I can understand.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/25/john-durham-probing-ukraine-as-part-of-trump-russi/

John Durham investigating Ukraine to find origins of Trump Russia hoax.

[Herbivore 1,134]

18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 No aid cut off by Trump? You’re focking nuts!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

Nucking futs.

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Whatever the democrats or Biden did or didn't do is a different conversation.   I agree, its hypocritical, nothing surprising in today's politics.  But it in no way gives Trump a free pass.  

I didn't say it did.  My opinion is that Trump didn't do anything that was wrong.

[RLLD 4,242]

SO now the logic is that Trump withheld the funds to Ukraine to ask them to investigate the criminal activity that Biden described about his son? 

Now, Ukraine denies this happened, and thus far nothing supports the baseless accusations.....I have to wonder, is Trump setting them up, it feels like a setup....

[TimmySmith 2,782]

24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 No aid cut off by Trump? You’re focking nuts!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

So Durbin threatened to hold up funding our own military until money was released to Ukraine?   Seriously?  Ukraine must have better goods on Biden than we thought.

[RLLD 4,242]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I didn't say it did.  My opinion is that Trump didn't do anything that was wrong.

Perhaps.  I would like to know that for sure. 

At this stage I am really shocked that the Dems are behaving this way about a report that is a rumor.....with no direct knowledge to date of what was said.  That seems really risky, what if this one turns out like the Russian hoax thing?  I mean, they are looking really inept over and over....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUxT91WsAAZmum?format=png&name=small

'Complaintant might be facing criminal charges.

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

54 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am astonished that the leftists, and in particular their media propagandists, have the gall to behave this way when we have video of Biden......doing something worse....  I mean, wow.....

Yeah...wow, you guys are amazing to me.

 

Bloomberg

 

The official described to Bloomberg details about the country’s political dynamic in the run-up to early 2016 when Biden, then the U.S. vice president, threatened to hold up U.S. funding to Ukraine unless it cracked down on corruption. Biden’s chief demand was the ouster of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who he said had been ineffective.

The episode has come under the spotlight in the last week because at one point, that prosecutor had been investigating a natural gas company where Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board and received substantial compensation.“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”

Kasko’s assessment adds a wrinkle to one of the first political intrigues of the 2020 election season. It undercuts the idea that Biden, now a top Democratic presidential candidate, was seeking to sideline a prosecutor who was actively threatening a company tied to his son. Instead, it appears more consistent with Biden’s previous statements that he was pressing for the removal of a prosecutor who was failing to tackle rampant corruption: According to public reports and internal documents from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office, U.S. officials had expressed concern for more than a year about Ukrainian prosecutors’ failure to assist an international investigation of Zlochevsky.

The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

[Reality 3,121]

Hey guys, go ahead and ignore what Biden said.  He was joking.

[RLLD 4,242]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah...wow, you guys are amazing to me.

 

Bloomberg

The official described to Bloomberg details about the country’s political dynamic in the run-up to early 2016 when Biden, then the U.S. vice president, threatened to hold up U.S. funding to Ukraine unless it cracked down on corruption. Biden’s chief demand was the ouster of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who he said had been ineffective. The episode has come under the spotlight in the last week because at one point, that prosecutor had been investigating a natural gas company where Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board and received substantial compensation.

The official described to Bloomberg details about the country’s political dynamic in the run-up to early 2016 when Biden, then the U.S. vice president, threatened to hold up U.S. funding to Ukraine unless it cracked down on corruption. Biden’s chief demand was the ouster of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who he said had been ineffective. The episode has come under the spotlight in the last week because at one point, that prosecutor had been investigating a natural gas company where Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board and received substantial compensation.“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”

Kasko’s assessment adds a wrinkle to one of the first political intrigues of the 2020 election season. It undercuts the idea that Biden, now a top Democratic presidential candidate, was seeking to sideline a prosecutor who was actively threatening a company tied to his son. Instead, it appears more consistent with Biden’s previous statements that he was pressing for the removal of a prosecutor who was failing to tackle rampant corruption: According to public reports and internal documents from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office, U.S. officials had expressed concern for more than a year about Ukrainian prosecutors’ failure to assist an international investigation of Zlochevsky.

So you are saying that while Biden claims he influenced, in reality he did not, right?

 

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So you are saying that while Biden claims he influenced, in reality he did not, right?

 

His claim was exaggerated for sure, AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SON's company.  He was the point man for the US, who's state dept wanted a prosecutor they thought wasn't pursuing corruption enough out.   Something multiple countries wanted along with the Ukraine's own parliament who voted to remove him.   

Did his "you won't get the billion in aid" thing happen like he said...probably not.   

But mostly, what I'm saying is do some real digging on this...or not..cause I won't be astonished by you righties.