peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 Why is this any of our business??? Why are we constantly meddling in the affairs in the middle east??? Why do we act like Israel is part of the United States??? I mean, why not bomb someone in Nigeria, it has oil? Why not bomb the N. Korean guy, he's against democracy? Why not bomb up any military general that is causing strife anywhere in the world? I'm just asking, it's really confusing to me. Seems every few years, without provocation, we're in some war that had nothing to do with us in the first place. It's like "fake" concern if you ask me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,570 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, peenie said: Why is this any of our business??? Why are we constantly meddling in the affairs in the middle east??? Why do we act like Israel is part of the United States??? I mean, why not bomb someone in Nigeria, it has oil? Why not bomb the N. Korean guy, he's against democracy? Why not bomb up any military general that is causing strife anywhere in the world? I'm just asking, it's really confusing to me. Seems every few years, without provocation, we're in some war that had nothing to do with us in the first place. It's like "fake" concern if you ask me. We aren't in a war. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, peenie said: Why is this any of our business??? Why are we constantly meddling in the affairs in the middle east??? Why do we act like Israel is part of the United States??? I mean, why not bomb someone in Nigeria, it has oil? Why not bomb the N. Korean guy, he's against democracy? Why not bomb up any military general that is causing strife anywhere in the world? I'm just asking, it's really confusing to me. Seems every few years, without provocation, we're in some war that had nothing to do with us in the first place. It's like "fake" concern if you ask me. you werent around in 1979 or 2001? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,491 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, peenie said: Why is this any of our business??? Why are we constantly meddling in the affairs in the middle east??? Why do we act like Israel is part of the United States??? I mean, why not bomb someone in Nigeria, it has oil? Why not bomb the N. Korean guy, he's against democracy? Why not bomb up any military general that is causing strife anywhere in the world? I'm just asking, it's really confusing to me. Seems every few years, without provocation, we're in some war that had nothing to do with us in the first place. It's like "fake" concern if you ask me. You couid stop at Israel. That's the reason. And oil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, peenie said: Either way: It was their money It was money to pay for our hostages Seems like a sound decision to me. we havent and shouldnt ever negotiate with terrorists or pay ransoms for hostages Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,491 Posted January 8, 2020 Let's not act like those "hostages " were poor innocents visiting Iran that got swept up . They were there to make bank. And they were Muslims. Of course Obama paid up for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Let's not act like those "hostages " were poor innocents visiting Iran that got swept up . exactly, lets go backpacking in Iran idiots Darwinist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 Iranian (Persian) people are very beautiful. They have nice hair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,491 Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: exactly, lets go backpacking in Iran idiots Darwinist That wasn't even the case. They went there to make money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,482 Posted January 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, peenie said: Why is this any of our business??? Why are we constantly meddling in the affairs in the middle east??? Why do we act like Israel is part of the United States??? I mean, why not bomb someone in Nigeria, it has oil? Why not bomb the N. Korean guy, he's against democracy? Why not bomb up any military general that is causing strife anywhere in the world? I'm just asking, it's really confusing to me. Seems every few years, without provocation, we're in some war that had nothing to do with us in the first place. It's like "fake" concern if you ask me. You could add why, if we’re in the business of bombing all potential state sponsors of terror / enemies of the US, are we buddy buddy with Saudi Arabia? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,703 Posted January 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You couid stop at Israel. That's the reason. And oil. Oil is no longer a factor! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,570 Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Strike said: Can't read your link. Site says I have it ad blocked despite the fact that I've whitelisted it. Anyways, I'm not familiar with this source, but it seems credible and has links to court judgments. According to it, Iran still owes $53 BILLION: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2016/05/06/iran-still-owes-53-billion-in-unpaid-u-s-court-judgments-to-american-victims-of-iranian-terrorism/#_ftn6 Here's a more well known source indicating similar numbers: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/terrorism-foreign-governments-lawsuits-iran-nuclear-deal.html PFB, Now that I've settled the Covington thread I know you want to come back here and comment on this. Don't make me do all this research and leave me hanging. Did I even make a dent in your belief that Iran didn't owe money to victims or their terrorism? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted January 8, 2020 great speech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,491 Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: Oil is no longer a factor! The Petro dollar is. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted January 8, 2020 "We must all work together toward making a deal with Iran that makes the world a safer and more peaceful place," Trump said. "We must also make a deal that allows Iran to thrive and prosper and take advantage of its enormous untapped potential." Good news if he follows his historical pattern of global negotiations. Drop the deal, bad mouth it, and then negotiate a similar, but slightly better deal ala NAFTA. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,929 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MTSkiBum said: Good news if he follows his historical pattern of global negotiations. Drop the deal, bad mouth it, and then negotiate a similar, but slightly better deal ala NAFTA. Democrats think the best way to negotiate is to give the other person everything thing they want and get nothing in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said: Good news if he follows his historical pattern of global negotiations. Drop the deal, bad mouth it, and then negotiate a similar, but slightly better deal ala NAFTA. World peace via a b1tch slap from time to time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Democrats think the best way to negotiate is to give the other person everything thing they want and get nothing in return. They also like to kick puppies when nobody is looking, those sick, sick b@stards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 I must admit, I really like his confidence and patriotism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, peenie said: I must admit, I really like his confidence and patriotism. You're just not used to it. The right didn't commandeer the flag, it was given to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, Strike said: PFB, Now that I've settled the Covington thread I know you want to come back here and comment on this. Don't make me do all this research and leave me hanging. Did I even make a dent in your belief that Iran didn't owe money to victims or their terrorism? I didn't realize that there was anything pending. The victims were owed $400m and were paid the $400m. The "who" was in question and that was covered in the article I posted which is from the Washington Post. There were international tribunals that set the amounts, so it is not like they just shirked their responsibilities or that we did either. What are you expecting from me? I am not even sure and I am multi-tasking at work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 Trump said ISIS was destroyed, was it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,570 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: I didn't realize that there was anything pending. The victims were owed $400m and were paid the $400m. The "who" was in question and that was covered in the article I posted which is from the Washington Post. There were international tribunals that set the amounts, so it is not like they just shirked their responsibilities or that we did either. What are you expecting from me? I am not even sure and I am multi-tasking at work. Did you see the links I posted? Iran owes over 50 BILLION for DECADES of incidents. I don't even know where this 400 million number is coming from. I suspect it's a distraction Obama used to make people think he didn't just give a boatload of cash to a terrorist country while that country owed his own people 50 BILLION dollars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,251 Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, peenie said: Trump said ISIS was destroyed, was it? I think this is a great question. Using political word play one might say it was.....then caveat it with "as a legitimate threat" or something of the like.....chances are, the subhumans out there in the sand are still around, smaller in number, not as well armed, but likely still hanging out and waiting for the right set of circumstances. In the middle east, things are fluid day to day, there is no "situation" if that makes any sense. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,491 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, peenie said: Trump said ISIS was destroyed, was it? Their caliphate was. But they do still exist. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 I tried not to be lazy and read up on it. Thanks!! There is a new guy but he's not a very active leader: Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Strike said: Did you see the links I posted? Iran owes over 50 BILLION for DECADES of incidents. I don't even know where this 400 million number is coming from. I suspect it's a distraction Obama used to make people think he didn't just give a boatload of cash to a terrorist country while that country owed his own people 50 BILLION dollars. Remember how you said you did not want to read through stuff to hunt it down. Put me in that camp. As I stated earlier, I don't know that Iran has paid for all of the claims as described in that memo you posted. I would be shocked if they had paid everything that was due and I haven't said that they did. I don't know who is owed that money, but the money that the US government paid was what the International court said that we owed Iran for that particular issue back in 1979 (plus interest). If you want to say that they still owe people (US?) more than $50m, go for it. I am not going to dispute it at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, peenie said: Trump said ISIS was destroyed, was it? Yes Obama armed them, how does that make you feel ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted January 8, 2020 It would be great if the US could just walk away and ignore the middle east, but that's not realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 From texting with my coworker, it sounds like they received Intel well in advance of the strike. They were safely in their bunkers and just waiting for about 8 hrs before missiles started landing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,703 Posted January 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, vuduchile said: It would be great if the US could just walk away and ignore the middle east, but that's not realistic. Correct look at all the crap Trump took when He pulled us out of Syria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, DonS said: From texting with my coworker, it sounds like they received Intel well in advance of the strike. They were safely in their bunkers and just waiting for about 8 hrs before missiles started landing. This feels like a dog and pony show that was staged so Iran could claim retaliation without actually causing the US to bomb them into oblivion. I hate to think that this was a coordinated effort between the 2 countries, but it really seems like it was all a put on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, vuduchile said: This feels like a dog and pony show that was staged so Iran could claim retaliation without actually causing the US to bomb them into oblivion. I hate to think that this was a coordinated effort between the 2 countries, but it really seems like it was all a put on. The bombing started around 1am local time. I asked him "so you were asleep when the alarm sounded? How much time between getting to bunker and impacts starting?". That's when he replied "Nah, we got Intel and started moving to bunkers around 5pm". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, vuduchile said: This feels like a dog and pony show that was staged so Iran could claim retaliation without actually causing the US to bomb them into oblivion. I hate to think that this was a coordinated effort between the 2 countries, but it really seems like it was all a put on. I would bet money on it. How did they just happen to miss on every bomb they sent? Little to no damage, not one American hurt. Come on. Trump is a master of diplomacy in this case. He scares the crap out of them but will go easy on them because he got what he wanted and he doesn't want a war on top of it. The left will say what they want and make it all sound horrible, but Hussein sent 2800 drone strikes with no approvals and the left now feels stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,993 Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, vuduchile said: This feels like a dog and pony show that was staged so Iran could claim retaliation without actually causing the US to bomb them into oblivion. I hate to think that this was a coordinated effort between the 2 countries, but it really seems like it was all a put on. I think the "retaliation" was certainly coordinated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, sderk said: I would bet money on it. How did they just happen to miss on every bomb they sent? Little to no damage , not one American hurt. Come on. Trump is a master of diplomacy in this case. He scares the crap out of them but will go easy on them because he got what he wanted and he doesn't want a war on top of it. The left will say what they want and make it all sound horrible, but Hussein sent 2800 drone strikes with no approvals and the left now feels stupid. There was definitely some damage. At least one hangar was destroyed and ours was heavily damaged. However we had plenty of time to move our aircraft elsewhere. We lost a bunch of equipment but nothing major. Don't know if there was anything in the other hangar, but I would suspect that it was also vacated of really important assets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,251 Posted January 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, DonS said: There was definitely some damage. At least one hangar was destroyed and ours was heavily damaged. However we had plenty of time to move our aircraft elsewhere. We lost a bunch of equipment but nothing major. Don't know if there was anything in the other hangar, but I would suspect that it was also vacated of really important assets. It was important to let them do this, and not react, so Trump again passed the test for foreign relations. Thus far, I am VERY impressed with how he handles the folk in the middle east, he show a level of understanding well beyond anything we have seen before..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted January 8, 2020 Do you guys think that there were people in Iran, government officials, that wanted the military leader guy dead?? Maybe they helped in getting him assassinated? Perhaps this was to help get Iran out of the dark ages? (not that I've been there, I'm just assuming) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, DonS said: There was definitely some damage. At least one hangar was destroyed and ours was heavily damaged. However we had plenty of time to move our aircraft elsewhere. We lost a bunch of equipment but nothing major. Don't know if there was anything in the other hangar, but I would suspect that it was also vacated of really important assets. Absolutely. Well planned out by both sides to keep face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites