Top Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani killed by air strikes in Baghdad

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

You can’t disturb them when they are in the middle of a circle jerk.

Apparently. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

7 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

Pretty much.

It was LSU allowing Oklahoma to score  garbage time TD to save face in the Peach Bowl Massacre of 2019.

Even Iran's Foreign Minister tweeted out that they were done.

"Proportionate measures"

 

 

Without there being any casualties it seems nothing may come of it which is good. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

I don’t know the credibility of this source but just saw this tweeted

 

[Intense Observer 344]

47 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t expect to know exactly what is going on but I do think I can gather enough info from multiple sources to have an idea. I’m not making my mind up on what exactly happened yet. Lots of info that needs to come out yet. 

A good rule of thumb is whatever the lunatics at your other site are screaming about..... What actually happened is most likely the exact opposite.

42 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

It may even be better than that. It could allow for Iran to save face at home (we hit the American devils), allow Trump to avoid escalating because (hopefully) no Americans die, and allow things to de-escalate.

Of course, things could escalate and things will go to hell in a handbasket.

Bingo.

If you want to put your tinfoil hat on..... Iran is ready to play ball because of sanctions and unrest amongst the people.

IRGC (and Soleimani) wags the dog, similar to mossad and our own wonderful CIA. 

Ayatollah throws Salami under the bus, gives up his coordinates, sets a date for him with a couple of hellfire missiles.

The inner circle of Iran's state sponsored terror program is wiped out in one fell swoop.

The Middle East is now safer for all.

Iran shoots some missiles at an empty building, says we are even now, saves face with the small % of their population who gives a shite about Salami.

Iran makes new deal with Trump, Israel and Palestine finally kiss and make up, US ground troops are withdrawn from Iraq. Iraq and Iran coordinate on a pipeline.

Everyone in that region plays nice and gets rich off of new economic opportunities.

The only losers are our own CIA, DC politicians on the take, and the fake news that is so desperately trying to start a war and take down Trump.

[fandandy 3,313]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t know the credibility of this source but just saw this tweeted

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-passenger-jet-crashes-in-iran-due-to-technical-issue

Saying technical issues.  Taking off from Iran heading to Ukraine.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,487]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t know the credibility of this source but just saw this tweeted

 

Let's hope their energy consultants weren't on board. They're already down Hunter. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 minutes ago, fandandy said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-passenger-jet-crashes-in-iran-due-to-technical-issue

Saying technical issues.  Taking off from Iran heading to Ukraine.  

That can’t be true. What sort of focked up person would get on a flight from Iran to Ukraine on a 737? And they want us to believe there were 180 such stupid people?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

5 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

A good rule of thumb is whatever the lunatics at your other site are screaming about..... What actually happened is most likely the exact opposite.

Bingo.

If you want to put your tinfoil hat on..... Iran is ready to play ball because of sanctions and unrest amongst the people.

IRGC (and Soleimani) wags the dog, similar to mossad and our own wonderful CIA. 

Ayatollah throws Salami under the bus, gives up his coordinates, sets a date for him with a couple of hellfire missiles.

The inner circle of Iran's state sponsored terror program is wiped out in one fell swoop.

The Middle East is now safer for all.

Iran shoots some missiles at an empty building, says we are even now, saves face with the small % of their population who gives a shite about Salami.

Iran makes new deal with Trump, Israel and Palestine finally kiss and make up, US ground troops are withdrawn from Iraq. Iraq and Iran coordinate on a pipeline.

Everyone in that region plays nice and gets rich off of new economic opportunities.

The only losers are our own CIA, DC politicians on the take, and the fake news that is so desperately trying to start a war and take down Trump.

I haven’t spent much time on there lately and haven’t been on there at all today. 

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Iran missiles took out a few port-a-johns that nobody was using except a handful of closet gay Iraqi soldiers. Iraq and Iran both claim victory. We can finally go home. 

[Intense Observer 344]

Based on the video of the crash and some reports coming out, it looks like Iran accidentally shot down the plane.

They shot down a passenger plane that took off from their own capital.

Talk about a clusterfuck.

Does NATO go to war with Iran now?

Does the media figure out a way to blame Trump?

How many Ukraine prosecutors and Burisma board members were on that plane?

How dumb do you have to be to even get on a plane in Iran when they are actively launching missile attacks against the United fn States?

Adds credibility to the theory that the missile attacks were all for show.

RIP to the 180 dead Ukrainians. 

 

[sderk 1,040]

Hussein did love himself some Iranian. 

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Ted Cruz: Iran missiles fired at Iraqi airbases were 'in a very real sense' paid for by billions that Obama sent Tehran

"In a very real sense, the missiles that we saw fired on U.S. servicemen and women tonight were paid for by the billions the Obama administration flooded the ayatollah with," he said, "If history teaches anything, it's don't give billions of dollars to people who hate you and want to kill you."

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,487]

The stupid shite that comes out of the left is unbelievable. They can claim that Sgt Salami was at the same time a terrorist, put on the terrorist kill list by Obama himself, and an Iranian official. Which begs the question, if he was a terrorist and an Iranian official, WTF are you doing giving them billions? 

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3 hours ago, sderk said:

Hussein did love himself some Iranian. 

 

Canada would attack us, Mexico would retaliate, Sweden would return fire, if the United States were to bomb their military leader. Ted Cruz needs to shut his loser ass mouth up! He needs to sit and watch Trump do the job he will never get to do. Obama was trying to keep peace. If you notice we didn't have any issues with Iran under Obama's watch. Ted needs to worry about now and stop looking to attack a man who is good and gone living his best life. Ted Cruz needs to worry about his dim future. 

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3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The stupid shite that comes out of the left is unbelievable. They can claim that Sgt Salami was at the same time a terrorist, put on the terrorist kill list by Obama himself, and an Iranian official. Which begs the question, if he was a terrorist and an Iranian official, WTF are you doing giving them billions? 

Oh yes, it's Obama's fault. NO, it's the fault of the actions right now. Period!! Don't try to switch up the focus. Obama didn't go over there and give them money out of his bank account.  

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Oh yes, it's Obama's fault. NO, it's the fault of the actions right now. Period!! Don't try to switch up the focus. Obama didn't go over there and give them money out of his bank account.  

Yeah, Obama loaded up pallets full of OUR CASH in the middle of the night and snuck it over to Iran behind our backs.  What a despicable human being.

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7 minutes ago, peenie said:

Oh yes, it's Obama's fault. NO, it's the fault of the actions right now. Period!! Don't try to switch up the focus. Obama didn't go over there and give them money out of his bank account.  

Correct. He would never have given money out of his bank account. That is extremely obvious.

He gave them money out of this nation's back account. Billions in fact. To one of his favorite causes. Terrorism.

How does funding a terrorist country "keep the peace"?

 

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On 1/4/2020 at 3:46 AM, Strike said:

I'm not sure what everyone is making such a big deal about.  This guy just got 79 virgins!!! 

He only gets 72 virgins, not 79.

But yeah, it just occured to me that you can make the math work simply by bundling them together in groups of 73.

"What? You were expecting women?"

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9 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Pretty much.

It was LSU allowing Oklahoma to score  garbage time TD to save face in the Peach Bowl Massacre of 2019.

Even Iran's Foreign Minister tweeted out that they were done.

"Proportionate measures"

 

 

'we showed then Americans. High 5s all around.'. 

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14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah, Obama loaded up pallets full of OUR CASH in the middle of the night and snuck it over to Iran behind our backs.  What a despicable human being.

I thought they unfroze the Shah's money from 1979.

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Missiles fired then plane shot down accidentally then earthquakes near nuclear reactor.

Anyone remember the earthquake that brought down a mountain on the North Korea testing facility?

[Voltaire 5,317]

Hopefully there will be no casualties and Trump can laugh it off and take the Iranian foreign minister up on his pledge to de-escalate.

Somebody in here had a great line about "all they did was knock over a garbage can." If that's true, "the war" may be over if Trump wants it to be, the hyperventilating Dems and media look stupid again, and he can take a victory lap.

At least that's my wish. He may wake up and say.... bye bye Iran. Who knows? Stay tuned an anouncemnt should be coming soon.

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9 hours ago, Drizzay said:

So, what is a good analogy of what happened?

Trump hit a monster HR, and Iran retaliates by throwing a curve ball at the backside of the #9 hitter?

Did you expect anything different from Iran. I bet they are praying they don't piss us off too bad while trying to save face. They claim 80 casualties. Even when the US comes out and says it wasn't even close, Iran will probably tell their people the US is down playing the awesome power of Iran. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/breaking-dubai-news-iranian-missile-took-down-ukrainian-plane-that-exploded-after-takeoff-from-tehran-airport/

Speed data of plane indicates it was shot down.

 

[peenie 1,915]

33 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I thought they unfroze the Shah's money from 1979.

You know they don't know. These guys just repeat whatever conservative talking head they listen to tells them. 

I have no clue what happened. What I do know is that Obama didn't make the decision all by himself nor without consultation or military strategy.

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I won this thread.

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4 minutes ago, peenie said:

You know they don't know. These guys just repeat whatever conservative talking head they listen to tells them. 

I have no clue what happened. What I do know is that Obama didn't make the decision all by himself nor without consultation or military strategy.

Obama is the one that made the final decision 

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I know this is a little bit far fetched but do you think we worked with iran on back channels to coordinate a missed Iranian attack? 

 I don't know ...sounds like what they launched is a pretty accurate missile. And just don't get the vibe that they came up with that idea on their own. It would somewhat makes sense because it would allow the Iranians to claim whatever they wanted and claim victory that they retaliated right away but also allows us to deescalate the situation because they know we are going to bring the heat if they kill any Americans.

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4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I know this is a little bit far fetched but do you think we worked with iran on back channels to coordinate a missed Iranian attack? 

 I don't know ...sounds like what they launched is a pretty accurate missile. And just don't get the vibe that they came up with that idea on their own. It would somewhat makes sense because it would allow the Iranians to claim whatever they wanted and claim victory that they retaliated right away but also allows us to deescalate the situation because they know we are going to bring the heat if they kill any Americans.

Define "accurate".  From the 2017 use of these in Syria and what was being discussed last night, they have ballistic missiles which are sophisticated themselves, but their aim isn't anything like what we have.  If they are within 100m of their target for the Iranians, that is probably as good as it gets.  

It is not like they can do what we did to General what's-his-face.

As far as a back-channels deal, I think that is heavy tin-foil stuff.  We have no channels with Iran at all.  We have to go through Switzerland and other countries because we don't have any diplomatic channels with Iran.  I also don't think that they could have pulled something together so quickly.  

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4 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Define "accurate".  From the 2017 use of these in Syria and what was being discussed last night, they have ballistic missiles which are sophisticated themselves, but their aim isn't anything like what we have.  If they are within 100m of their target for the Iranians, that is probably as good as it gets.  

It is not like they can do what we did to General what's-his-face.

As far as a back-channels deal, I think that is heavy tin-foil stuff.  We have no channels with Iran at all.  We have to go through Switzerland and other countries because we don't have any diplomatic channels with Iran.  I also don't think that they could have pulled something together so quickly.  

Probably true. Just seems like an odd response to intentionally miss.

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10 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

It may even be better than that. It could allow for Iran to save face at home (we hit the American devils), allow Trump to avoid escalating because (hopefully) no Americans die, and allow things to de-escalate.

Oh, so you mean like what they always do?

Typical pattern is US strikes, lots of blustering and saber-rattling and end of the world rhetoric, they lob a few rockets and then that's it.

[fandandy 3,313]

Plus, imagine if the Democrats caught wind that someone in the Trump administration coordinated with Iran to miss the targets.  They would prolly demand a do-over and wouldn't be satisfied until the intended targets were destroyed.  

 

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3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Probably true. Just seems like an odd response to intentionally miss.

I think it could be strategic.  Iran wants to show that they are willing to retaliate and are not weak but they were not willing to cause casualties and start an all out war.  It's all speculation.

[sderk 1,040]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Probably true. Just seems like an odd response to intentionally miss.

I wonder how Hussein had such good contact with General what's-his-face.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,270]

I'm reading how poor Iranian born citizens have to sit through airport security and be questioned for hours. Poor Iranians. I think it would be best to show the US how unfair and unjust they are by moving back to Iran and showing us all how fair and considerate their home country is

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5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I'm reading how poor Iranian born citizens have to sit through airport security and be questioned for hours. Poor Iranians. I think it would be best to show the US how unfair and unjust they are by moving back to Iran and showing us all how fair and considerate their home country is

We could always just round them up like we did with the Japanese in WWII. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

9 minutes ago, sderk said:

I wonder how Hussein had such good contact with General what's-his-face.

He did?  I think that you keep mixing up guys in the Middle East.  I know that their names seem the same, most are crazy (and hate us), and they all look alike to you, but they aren't all the same guy.

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1 hour ago, peenie said:

Oh yes, it's Obama's fault. NO, it's the fault of the actions right now. Period!! Don't try to switch up the focus. Obama didn't go over there and give them money out of his bank account.  

 

1 hour ago, sderk said:

Correct. He would never have given money out of his bank account. That is extremely obvious.

He gave them money out of this nation's back account. Billions in fact. To one of his favorite causes. Terrorism.

How does funding a terrorist country "keep the peace"?

 

It keeps the peace by kicking the can down the road to the next POTUS.  Then again, there is that liberal belief that if we show weakness to an Islamic theocratic terrorist dictatorship, they will respond with puppies and unicorns. 

[peenie 1,915]

Well, I support the President's decision to do what he's done. I am hoping that there people in Iran happy about ridding the military guy so that sanctions can be lifted and the country move toward prosperity and out of despair.

However, I am not really sure about what is going on in those countries. I am just a bystander. I put my trust and faith in Trump and our military leaders to do what is best for our best interests.

[Intense Observer 344]

There is definitely a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation about the money

 

Obama gave $400 million cash on pallets, then 13 x $99,999,999 in wire transfers.

Yes, the money was technically Iran's, assets frozen in 1979 from a military deal. Plus 37 years interest.

However, there was nothing requiring Obama to give the money back in 2016. He could have ignored it like every president since Reagan, and like he himself did for the first 7 years of his presidency.

However, Iran had US hostages, taken from a Navy ship. And there was the "nuclear deal" in which Iran was going to cease all nuclear pursuits, wink wink, in exchange for $1.7 billion from the US and something like $100 billion from European countries. Plus favorable economic deals with EU.

So you can make the case that the cash was Iran's to begin with, that legally Obama had to return it (because of the Iran nuclear deal). You could also make the case that Obama paid a $1.7 billion ransom for the hostages and that quite a bit of the money would be filtered back to the appropriate subsidiaries and offshore accounts for all those involved.

 

[peenie 1,915]

Either way:

It was their money

It was money to pay for our hostages

Seems like a sound decision to me.