Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Utilit99 4,099]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So no one is going to answer my question then?  And you call me the troll...

What question?

[TK0001 99]

35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah, can you read?  "That information" is referring to knowing those that have had it are unlikely to get it again for 6+ months.

So the question still stands: what does quarantining those at risk have to do with the knowledge that those that have had it are unlikely to get it again for 6+ months?

I have utterly no idea. I am trying to wrap my head around what you're saying.

But where did the "immune or 6 months" figure even come from? Is that an accepted truth? Because it sounds made up by people trying to prolong the sales of vaccines. 

[Cdub100 3,934]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So no one is going to answer my question then?  And you call me the troll...

Why bother? You're a liar, hack and time suck. You've been proven wrong and you always come back with troll tactics.You're pointless.

[TimHauck 2,922]

2 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

I have utterly no idea. I am trying to wrap my head around what you're saying.

But where did the "immune or 6 months" figure even come from? Is that an accepted truth? Because it sounds made up by people trying to prolong the sales of vaccines. 

To summarize:

Reality posted a link saying "the majority of people who have had covid are protected from getting it for at least six months..." (which I believe)

With that link, he commented "It's nothing short of incredible what we let the Government get away with this past year."

I asked what he meant by that comment in regards to the link he posted, and he replied, "no, we haven't treated this virus like folks who had it are immune for at least 6 months.  We've ruined people's livelihood by not treating it that way."

I asked what could have been done differently based on the knowledge that people who have had it are protected from getting it for 6+ months.

To which HT replied "The people at risk, who were identified very early in this process, should have been the ones quarantined , not everyone else. Once that curve got flattened things should have opened up with safety precautions in place. How’s that?"

And Reality responded with "Right."

My last point before we got into the lockdown discussion was "That doesn't really have anything to do with people not being able to catch it again for 6+ months"

...so I'm waiting for someone to show the connection between those 2 comments (quarantining those at risk, and knowledge that those that have had covid are likely immune for 6+ months).   My assumption is it would have to have something to do with not requiring those that have had it to follow restrictions, but I'm not sure how we'd go about doing that.

 

[TK0001 99]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

To summarize:

Reality posted a link saying "the majority of people who have had covid are protected from getting it for at least six months..." (which I believe)

With that link, he commented "It's nothing short of incredible what we let the Government get away with this past year."

I asked what he meant by that comment in regards to the link he posted, and he replied, "no, we haven't treated this virus like folks who had it are immune for at least 6 months.  We've ruined people's livelihood by not treating it that way."

I asked what could have been done differently based on the knowledge that people who have had it are protected from getting it for 6+ months.

To which HT replied "The people at risk, who were identified very early in this process, should have been the ones quarantined , not everyone else. Once that curve got flattened things should have opened up with safety precautions in place. How’s that?"

And Reality responded with "Right."

My last point before we got into the lockdown discussion was "That doesn't really have anything to do with people not being able to catch it again for 6+ months"

...so I'm waiting for someone to show the connection between those 2 comments (quarantining those at risk, and knowledge that those that have had covid are likely immune for 6+ months).   My assumption is it would have to have something to do with not requiring those that have had it to follow restrictions, but I'm not sure how we'd go about doing that.

 

I think HT's response was proposed as a solution to the whole shooting match. Safeguard those who are vulnerable, flatten the curve for a bit, then go on with life. Florida's response, in a nutshell.

We have NOT treated those who have immunity any differently than anyone else. Everyone is suspected of having it at all times, which is surgery with a chainsaw. It IS an absolute travesty what the government has done out of fearmongering.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

Hey fatties who've been vaxxed! 

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/krispy-kreme-offering-free-doughnut-to-those-who-get-vaccinated/275-a882d96c-746c-4bdd-b5eb-5b61b724991b?fbclid=IwAR3KpDM02lbfL4rog03OdXYKfLnCRdNDZ84uLzmFXlh4hW9HbOhs8GuNztQ

 

[TimHauck 2,922]

5 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

I think HT's response was proposed as a solution to the whole shooting match. Safeguard those who are vulnerable, flatten the curve for a bit, then go on with life. Florida's response, in a nutshell.

We have NOT treated those who have immunity any differently than anyone else. Everyone is suspected of having it at all times, which is surgery with a chainsaw. It IS an absolute travesty what the government has done out of fearmongering.

Yeah originally I thought he was talking about the vaccine, which I said I'd agree with not giving the vaccine (at least initially) to anyone that has had it within 6 months.

And I agree that we haven't really treated those who have immunity any differently, I'm just not sure exactly how we could have done that.

 

[TK0001 99]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah originally I thought he was talking about the vaccine, which I said I'd agree with not giving the vaccine (at least initially) to anyone that has had it within 6 months.

And I agree that we haven't really treated those who have immunity any differently, I'm just not sure exactly how we could have done that.

 

Easy,  you do it like Florida, Georgia, South Dakota, Sweden, and the like did. Assume everyone is immune and go about your business. Let it circulate among the young, and let them achieve herd immunity on behalf of the elderly and more vulnerable.

[Strike 5,594]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah originally I thought he was talking about the vaccine, which I said I'd agree with not giving the vaccine (at least initially) to anyone that has had it within 6 months.

And I agree that we haven't really treated those who have immunity any differently, I'm just not sure exactly how we could have done that.

 

Who cares?  There was only one lockdown, and it barely lasted 6 weeks!!!!!  Am I right???? 

[TimHauck 2,922]

4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Easy,  you do it like Florida, Georgia, South Dakota, Sweden, and the like did. Assume everyone is immune and go about your business. Let it circulate among the young, and let them achieve herd immunity on behalf of the elderly and more vulnerable.

Thank you for answering the question, fair enough yeah I could see how that argument could be made.   But I doubt those decisions had anything to do with "assuming everyone was immune" and likely had more to do with the fact that they just didn't want to hurt businesses.

[TK0001 99]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who cares?  There was only one lockdown, and it barely lasted 6 weeks!!!!!  Am I right???? 

Just how dead do you need this horse to be?

[TK0001 99]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Thank you for answering the question, fair enough yeah I could see how that argument could be made.   But I doubt those decisions had anything to do with "assuming everyone was immune" and likely had more to do with the fact that they just didn't want to hurt businesses.

Maybe. But they followed the plan that was established at the start of this thing. Flatten the curve, make sure the hospitals are not overwhelmed. We were at one time all on that same page. But then it became a power grab and fear mongering crept in. 

People now think flattening the curve had something to do with reducing cases. It was never about that. It was about spreading the cases out over a longer period of time.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah originally I thought he was talking about the vaccine, which I said I'd agree with not giving the vaccine (at least initially) to anyone that has had it within 6 months. 

Using what science would you consider giving the vaccine to anyone who has had it?

[Strike 5,594]

4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Just how dead do you need this horse to be?

I'll bring it up until he either admits he's wrong or supports those assertions.  I mean, if he actually believes that then there weren't any issues as a result of Covid.   Our economy could certainly survive a single, 6 week shutdown, as we were told was being done to "flatten the curve."  Some of us, like 99.9% of us, know differently though, and Tim Hack shouldn't get a pass for such idiotic assertions.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Another tragic covid death per our great news media.

Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor dies amid COVID-19 struggle (apnews.com)

[edjr 6,608]

Just now, Strike said:

I'll bring it up until he either admits he's wrong or supports those assertions.  I mean, if he actually believes that then there weren't any issues as a result of Covid.   Our economy could certainly survive a single, 6 week shutdown, as we were told was being done to "flatten the curve."  Some of us, like 99.9% of us, know differently though, and Tim Hack shouldn't get a pass for such idiotic assertions.

I agree with you and it pisses me off to no end how wrong this has been handled.. BUT did we really have a lockdown? No we didn't. I went to the grocery store almost every single day during the "lockdown". They cut their hours back by 1 hour on each end, but never shut down ever. 

[TK0001 99]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I'll bring it up until he either admits he's wrong or supports those assertions.  I mean, if he actually believes that then there weren't any issues as a result of Covid.   Our economy could certainly survive a single, 6 week shutdown, as we were told was being done to "flatten the curve."  Some of us, like 99.9% of us, know differently though, and Tim Hack shouldn't get a pass for such idiotic assertions.

Didn't he post why he thought why he did, and support it with stats about states that had lock downs?

He admitted he was mistaken. I'm not sure what else you need at this point.

[edjr 6,608]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Another tragic covid death per our great news media.

Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor dies amid COVID-19 struggle (apnews.com)

I saw this over the weekend. Imagine having a ringing in your ears that won't stop or being married to Kamal Harris? I would end it too

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=stacey+abrams&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS925US925&sxsrf=ALeKk01vuVt71kh4JTZBFKJBEGl2X0YDNg:1616432378087&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=lXhqz-Y5EJYIGM%2CqdSz8JxeOay-1M%2C%2Fm%2F0k0v28f&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQUOEnFW0W9aw5uU64NK8i822uHwQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV6crtr8TvAhXeD1kFHYIiCigQ_B16BAhPEAI&biw=1229&bih=575#imgrc=0W_5QtnZKZ3ZaM

Well, she isn't exactly old so she doesn't fit his criteria and never will.

Why?

Because she's so fat she will die way before getting old. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, edjr said:

I saw this over the weekend. Imagine having a ringing in your ears that won't stop? I would end it too

Have it and don't plan on it.  Call me in 10 years.

[TimHauck 2,922]

9 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Using what science would you consider giving the vaccine to anyone who has had it?

Once there is enough for anyone who wants one.

[Strike 5,594]

3 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Didn't he post why he thought why he did, and support it with stats about states that had lock downs?

He admitted he was mistaken. I'm not sure what else you need at this point.

No, he didn't admit he was wrong.  And no, he didn't post stats, at least not valid ones.   For one thing, I keep talking about lockdowns.  He keeps talking about restaurants.  Then he tried to bring up some stats about restaurants and whether they were open or closed, or doing inside vs outside dining.  I've never heard of his source, and that source said something like 16 out of 54 counties in CO weren't allowing dining on November 29th or some weird metric like that.  Whatever it was, it was bullsh*t.  CO was shut down for a good 2-3 months over the holidays, and it wasn't just a small part of CO.  He's full of sh*t.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Once there is enough for anyone who wants one.

Science! 

 

[TK0001 99]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, he didn't admit he was wrong.  And no, he didn't post stats, at least not valid ones.   For one thing, I keep talking about lockdowns.  He keeps talking about restaurants.  Then he tried to bring up some stats about restaurants and whether they were open or closed, or doing inside vs outside dining.  I've never heard of his source, and that source said something like 16 out of 54 counties in CO weren't allowing dining on November 29th or some weird metric like that.  Whatever it was, it was bullsh*t.  CO was shut down for a good 2-3 months over the holidays, and it wasn't just a small part of CO.  He's full of sh*t.

As others have said, it all depends upon what you mean by "lock down". We never totally locked down, like weld people into their apartments locked down. I mean, what's your metric? Restaurants closing? Limited capacity = locked down? 

[TimHauck 2,922]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Science! 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-long-haulers-vaccine/

[Fireballer 2,643]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

So the fatties and unhealthy are dying once covid gets in their system. They are not dying from covid, they are dying from being unhealthy to begin with and the comorbidities they walk around with.  Hey, get a shot of experimental 'vaccine' (that they have no idea if it even works 6 months from now, and get a free donut every day for a year. JFC, you can't even make up this kind of insanity.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-kreme-free-doughnut-every-day-2021-covid-19-vaccination-card/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=114037314

Holy sh!t, I saw that this morning and just couldn't believe it.  

[TimHauck 2,922]

15 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Well, she isn't exactly old so she doesn't fit his criteria and never will.

Why?

Because she's so fat she will die way before getting old. 

Yeah that was kinda what I was getting at.  Although upon further research looks like blacks only have about a 4 year shorter life expectancy than whites on average, I thought it might be more.

[TK0001 99]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Science! 

 

That's a perfectly valid answer.

Hey yo TimHauk, did you fock all these guys' wives or some sh!t? The hell is happening here?

[TimHauck 2,922]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Holy sh!t, I saw that this morning and just couldn't believe it.  

Capitalism.

[TimHauck 2,922]

4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

That's a perfectly valid answer.

Hey yo TimHauk, did you fock all these guys' wives or some sh!t? The hell is happening here?

They don't like anyone interrupting their groupthink

[Strike 5,594]

4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

As others have said, it all depends upon what you mean by "lock down". We never totally locked down, like weld people into their apartments locked down. I mean, what's your metric? Restaurants closing? Limited capacity = locked down? 

By lockdown, I mean common sense.  Like when I first brought this up and Tim Hack tried to pretend there weren't lockdowns a bunch of people from all over the country corrected him.  Because common sense dictates what a lockdown is.  And stop with the focking restaurant crap.  In CO we were at level red for about 3 months.  You can see what that means here:

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/covid-19-dial-dashboard#restrictions

No personal gatherings, no public events, businesses largely closed or extremely limited on how many people allowed in.  On and on.  Saying we weren't locked down is disingenuous at best.

[Fireballer 2,643]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Capitalism.

I don't get it.  You're saying additional government oversight would prevent KK from marketing free donuts to fatties? 

[TimHauck 2,922]

15 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, he didn't admit he was wrong.  And no, he didn't post stats, at least not valid ones.   For one thing, I keep talking about lockdowns.  He keeps talking about restaurants.  Then he tried to bring up some stats about restaurants and whether they were open or closed, or doing inside vs outside dining.  I've never heard of his source, and that source said something like 16 out of 54 counties in CO weren't allowing dining on November 29th or some weird metric like that.  Whatever it was, it was bullsh*t.  CO was shut down for a good 2-3 months over the holidays, and it wasn't just a small part of CO.  He's full of sh*t.

The source was Full Service Restaurant Magazine, if anything they'd be biased to over-exaggerating how bad the restrictions were.  Restaurants are the main thing people have complained about for months in terms of "locking down," so they should be a pretty good representation of what areas were and weren't "locked down."

Looks like the list was from 12/30, I said that should be a pretty good list of what the restrictions were because that was near the peak of infections in most places, so if there was a second implementation of restrictions, it should've been on that list.   If you have a better list of every restriction in every state/city feel free to share.

 

[TK0001 99]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

By lockdown, I mean common sense.  Like when I first brought this up and Tim Hack tried to pretend there weren't lockdowns a bunch of people from all over the country corrected him.  Because common sense dictates what a lockdown is.  And stop with the focking restaurant crap.  In CO we were at level red for about 3 months.  You can see what that means here:

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/covid-19-dial-dashboard#restrictions

No personal gatherings, no public events, businesses largely closed or extremely limited on how many people allowed in.  On and on.  Saying we weren't locked down is disingenuous at best.

Well if you could actually elucidate what you mean by "lock down" other than some "common sense" vaguery, then maybe you could move beyond your rage-monkeyism.

I came into this late, but I haven't seen anyone say CO wasn't locked down.

Restricted is really a better word, btw.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

By lockdown, I mean common sense.  Like when I first brought this up and Tim Hack tried to pretend there weren't lockdowns a bunch of people from all over the country corrected him.  Because common sense dictates what a lockdown is.  And stop with the focking restaurant crap.  In CO we were at level red for about 3 months.  You can see what that means here:

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/covid-19-dial-dashboard#restrictions

No personal gatherings, no public events, businesses largely closed or extremely limited on how many people allowed in.  On and on.  Saying we weren't locked down is disingenuous at best.

flabbiejr by any other name is still an idiot. 

[TimHauck 2,922]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I don't get it.  You're saying additional government oversight would prevent KK from marketing free donuts to fatties? 

No I'm saying KK marketing donuts to fatties is an example of capitalism.   I don't have a problem with it.

[Strike 5,594]

1 minute ago, TK0001 said:

Well if you could actually elucidate what you mean by "lock down" other than some "common sense" vaguery, then maybe you could move beyond your rage-monkeyism.

I came into this late, but I haven't seen anyone say CO wasn't locked down.

Restricted is really a better word, btw.

No.  The word lockdown has been used in the U.S. for a year to mean "heavily restricted."   There was no significant difference between the restrictions we had in December and the ones we had in May.  Tim Hack said there was only one lockdown and it lasted 6 weeks.  He used the term lockdown as well.  So we were on the same page there.  It's reasonable to assume that by lockdown he was referring to the initial set of restrictions enacted in most areas of the country to "flatten the curve" last spring/summer.  But we had the same types of restrictions from Oct/Nov - Feb.  That's two lockdowns using the terms defined previously for a total of much longer than 6 weeks.

Look, you can get in to some type of semantic game if you want.   I'll pass.

[TK0001 99]

Tim, are you denying places had more than one "lock down"?

[Strike 5,594]

4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Tim, are you denying places had more than one "lock down"?

This is a Tim quote from a couple pages back:

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Who's our?  Like 80% of the country never had a second lockdown.

He later revised that stat to "at least 50%" after being mocked mercilessly,  thus proving he's just making this sh*t up.

[TK0001 99]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is a Tim quote from a couple pages back:

He later revised that stat to "at least 50%" after being mocked mercilessly,  thus proving he's just making this sh*t up.

So he admitted he was wrong and revised it, and you still keep demanding he admit he was wrong.