Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Fireballer 2,643]

13 minutes ago, Reality said:

Surgeons and nurses performing clean surgery wear disposable face masks. The purpose of face masks is thought to be two-fold: to prevent the passage of germs from the surgeon's nose and mouth into the patient's wound and to protect the surgeon's face from sprays and splashes from the patient.

HTH

Lol...definitely not to prevent passage of .03 micron virus.  Lmao

[phillybear 366]

Talking masks, I see.

Not a problem. I've been wearing the same mask since the beginning of May, so it's about to hit the 11 month anniversary. I goes without saying that I cut layers out of the mask to improve breathing. It's compromised for sure. Still have to wear one while going into a store or you can't buy anything. Only assh0les would wear a mask outside.

Never let the government tell you what you can or can't do, but in the end, fock everybody.

[nobody 2,691]

Masks very obviously don’t do shìt.  I mean unless people in California are just all wearing masks outside and in public, and then go home and cough in as many people’s faces as they can find because you can’t find people not wearing masks around here.

[TimHauck 2,918]

14 hours ago, Boots11234 said:

Anyone go a good link saying masks don’t work?  Buddy swears by them. Told him he’s a moron 

Other than studies from before covid saying the difference isn’t statistically significant, or placing random arrows on a chart of covid cases, no.

[Fireballer 2,643]

24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Other than studies from before covid saying the difference isn’t statistically significant, or placing random arrows on a chart of covid cases, no.

Define, mechanically, what a cloth face covering does to prevent your .03 micron Covid from being disbursed into the surrounding environment.  And, the fact that studies were done pre-Covid actually adds credence that they don't work.  There's no bias.  There's nothing "special" about Covid, in a virus characteristic sense.  What has been known about respiratory protection applies directly to Covid19.  

[lod001 1,344]

14 hours ago, Boots11234 said:

Anyone go a good link saying masks don’t work?  Buddy swears by them. Told him he’s a moron 

Just show him this and it will shut him up. 

 

[lod001 1,344]

 

[Mrs. Voltaire 46]

15 hours ago, Boots11234 said:

Anyone go a good link saying masks don’t work?  Buddy swears by them. Told him he’s a moron 

No, there is nothing that proves that masks don't work.  Conversely there is nothing that proves that they do work.  The theory here is that masks should work based on science, however the real life data doesn't provide much evidence that they actually do, and there is data out there that shows that the masks effect is virtually zero.

There are some studies that show a minimal effect, found here: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

And then there is real life data that shows that cases do not correlate with mask usage.

We get better data as time goes on, but the data as of right now shows that masks do very little in real world scenarios.

[jerryskids 6,838]

The biggest impact of masks is the theater to remind you about Covid and that you should keep your distance from others.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

The data behind masks is "think how bad it would have been without them". 

By their theory masks are also behind the lack of earthquakes in New York City. 

[bostonlager 2,665]

I tried a mask on when all of this started last year. After 30 seconds I was able to decide it was uncomfortable, so I threw it on the ground and have not worn one since. I value my comfort more than the health of some random person. 

[lod001 1,344]

10 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

I tried a mask on when all of this started last year. After 30 seconds I was able to decide it was uncomfortable, so I threw it on the ground and have not worn one since. I value my comfort more than the health of some random person. 

Only fatties should wear masks. They should do what they need to to stay alive. They are the ones dying.

[edjr 6,608]

WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

[nobody 2,691]

They are going straight out of the Obama playbook.  Pretend it doesn't exist.  Thanks for the vaccines, Trump.  We'll show you how to handle a pandemic.

[TimHauck 2,918]

13 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Define, mechanically, what a cloth face covering does to prevent your .03 micron Covid from being disbursed into the surrounding environment.  And, the fact that studies were done pre-Covid actually adds credence that they don't work.  There's no bias.  There's nothing "special" about Covid, in a virus characteristic sense.  What has been known about respiratory protection applies directly to Covid19.  

https://www.fi.edu/blog/Your-Mask-Questions-Answered 

"Using high-powered electron microscopy to take pictures of the virus, scientists have determined that the coronavirus is about 0.1 microns in diameter [not 0.03 btw]. In everyday settings, however, the virus doesn’t travel alone. COVID-19 viruses are usually carried in the respiratory droplets described above, which are generally at least 10 times larger than the virus. Surgical masks and many common DIY mask materials block these droplets effectively."

Once again, I don't really think masks have helped significantly (and IIRC in those studies the masks were more effective than no mask, just not statistically significantly so; but I do think it's worth noting that not all respiratory viruses are the same so it's worth calling out IMO that those studies were not done on covid).   

But I think my bottom line on masks is it shouldn't take a freaking scientist to convince people that covering your mouth and nose with something will likely result in less stuff getting in or out.     

"BUT BUT FAUCI SAID NOT TO WEAR MASKZZ!"  Yeah, he probably lied because of the mask shortage (pretty crappy thing to do, yes), but I also don't think he ever said they "don't work," he was more emphasizing that they were more for sick people and at the time, one there weren't many sick people, and two we didn't know that presymptomatic and maybe asymptomatic spread was as common as it likely is (so we didn't really know who the "sick people" were/are).

..and once again, people default to "MASKZZ!" when they have nothing better to add...

 

[Fireballer 2,643]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.fi.edu/blog/Your-Mask-Questions-Answered 

"Using high-powered electron microscopy to take pictures of the virus, scientists have determined that the coronavirus is about 0.1 microns in diameter [not 0.03 btw]. In everyday settings, however, the virus doesn’t travel alone. COVID-19 viruses are usually carried in the respiratory droplets described above, which are generally at least 10 times larger than the virus. Surgical masks and many common DIY mask materials block these droplets effectively."

Once again, I don't really think masks have helped significantly (and IIRC in those studies the masks were more effective than no mask, just not statistically significantly so; but I do think it's worth noting that not all respiratory viruses are the same so it's worth calling out IMO that those studies were not done on covid).   

But I think my bottom line on masks is it shouldn't take a freaking scientist to convince people that covering your mouth and nose with something will likely result in less stuff getting in or out.     

"BUT BUT FAUCI SAID NOT TO WEAR MASKZZ!"  Yeah, he probably lied because of the mask shortage (pretty crappy thing to do, yes), but I also don't think he ever said they "don't work," he was more emphasizing that they were more for sick people and at the time, one there weren't many sick people, and two we didn't know that presymptomatic and maybe asymptomatic spread was as common as it likely is (so we didn't really know who the "sick people" were/are).

..and once again, people default to "MASKZZ!" when they have nothing better to 

 

So, where are the "usually larger" droplets going?  

[Utilit99 4,099]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.fi.edu/blog/Your-Mask-Questions-Answered 

"Using high-powered electron microscopy to take pictures of the virus, scientists have determined that the coronavirus is about 0.1 microns in diameter [not 0.03 btw]. In everyday settings, however, the virus doesn’t travel alone. COVID-19 viruses are usually carried in the respiratory droplets described above, which are generally at least 10 times larger than the virus. Surgical masks and many common DIY mask materials block these droplets effectively."

Once again, I don't really think masks have helped significantly (and IIRC in those studies the masks were more effective than no mask, just not statistically significantly so; but I do think it's worth noting that not all respiratory viruses are the same so it's worth calling out IMO that those studies were not done on covid).   

But I think my bottom line on masks is it shouldn't take a freaking scientist to convince people that covering your mouth and nose with something will likely result in less stuff getting in or out.     

"BUT BUT FAUCI SAID NOT TO WEAR MASKZZ!"  Yeah, he probably lied because of the mask shortage (pretty crappy thing to do, yes), but I also don't think he ever said they "don't work," he was more emphasizing that they were more for sick people and at the time, one there weren't many sick people, and two we didn't know that presymptomatic and maybe asymptomatic spread was as common as it likely is (so we didn't really know who the "sick people" were/are).

..and once again, people default to "MASKZZ!" when they have nothing better to add...

 

 

[Fireballer 2,643]

Oh my!  Someone slipped on "the narrative" and had to change a tweet after being called out on "data". Toronto's top doc here...

 

[TimHauck 2,918]

53 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So, where are the "usually larger" droplets going?  

I don't know for sure, but the main benefit to masks is for the wearer, so I would say at least some of them are probably either staying inside the mask or being obstructed by the mask and thus not traveling as far as it otherwise would.   Even if they're staying inside the mask, if that person already has covid then they're not going to get it from their own mask.

I assume you're trying to get at that it could get on someone else's mask?  That's possible, but most research still suggests that getting covid through surfaces (such as a mask) is rare.

[TimHauck 2,918]

47 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Oh my!  Someone slipped on "the narrative" and had to change a tweet after being called out on "data". Toronto's top doc here...

 

Here is the data shared by the same guy:

 

Yes Dr. De Villa was probably fearmongering a bit, but she's not really saying hospitalizations among younger people  are "resurging" (apparently some other dude predicted that though), she's just saying there is a resurgence that "includes" an increase in younger people.

Looking at his first chart , Feb 15 was the high for hospitalizations and he admits there's a lag in the data, so she may not be wrong that hospitalizations in general are increasing.    And depending on how you define "younger," 40-59 clearly show a significant increase from Nov/Dec to Feb.   

[Fireballer 2,643]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

so I would say at least some of them are probably either staying inside the mask

What happens to the Covid goo as you continue to respire through the mask?  Do you think any data(that article in your link was nothing but anecdotal assertions, BTW) has been derived from people wearing a Covid tampon on their face?  Show me a study that says "subjects were tested as they wore a cloth mask for an extended time" and you might have something. 

Also, Fauci is a very smart guy and he didn't say to wear a cloth face covering because he knows it doesn't do sh!t. He's studied respiratory protection. It has nothing to do with a shortage.  He didn't even have to mention the word "mask".

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Very few teachers at my wife's school want to come back after spring break, and they are ALL vaccinated (except for my wife). In their defense, they listen to Fauci and he doesn't believe the vaccine works, so they don't believe it works.

[TimHauck 2,918]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

What happens to the Covid goo as you continue to respire through the mask?  Do you think any data(that article in your link was nothing but anecdotal assertions, BTW) has been derived from people wearing a Covid tampon on their face?  Show me a study that says "subjects were tested as they wore a cloth mask for an extended time" and you might have something. 

Also, Fauci is a very smart guy and he didn't say to wear a cloth face covering because he knows it doesn't do sh!t. He's studied respiratory protection. It has nothing to do with a shortage.  He didn't even have to mention the word "mask".

I don't know, I would think it falls to the ground.  Where do you think it goes?

This study was linked in the link I provided from the New England Journal of Medicine - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

 

But yes, I don't know why they used a damp washcloth and not an actual mask...

 

But now Fauci is a smart guy?  I thought he was an idiot?  And yes, he has said to wear a cloth face covering.   It was really only for the first few weeks that he (and the WHO, etc) said you didn't need to.

 

 

[TimHauck 2,918]

surprised no one posted this yet - https://www.rutgers.edu/news/rutgers-require-covid-19-vaccine-students

[lod001 1,344]

I warned people about these chinese toxic masks. 

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-transit-workers-the-latest-to-learn-they-ve-been-wearing-potentially-toxic-masks-1.5366727

 

[Reality 3,121]

7 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I warned people about these chinese toxic masks. 

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-transit-workers-the-latest-to-learn-they-ve-been-wearing-potentially-toxic-masks-1.5366727

 

The health issues caused by folks wearing masks for extended times should be interesting. Can't wait for those lawsuits to start rolling in.

[lod001 1,344]

14 minutes ago, Reality said:

The health issues caused by folks wearing masks for extended times should be interesting. Can't wait for those lawsuits to start rolling in.

...and thrown out. No way anyone will win a lawsuit against any mask maker with biden in office.

[lod001 1,344]

Scamdemic in action:

 

 

[edjr 6,608]

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/03/29/dozens-in-central-florida-contract-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated

[Fireballer 2,643]

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But now Fauci is a smart guy?  I thought he was an idiot?  And yes, he has said to wear a cloth face covering.   It was really only for the first few weeks that he (and the WHO, etc) said you didn't need to.

 

 

Yes, I think Fauci is very intelligent, just a narcissist.  And they didn't say wear a cloth face covering in the beginning because these educated folks know they don't work. Its feel-good theater. Could you imagine these brilliant people that are payed by lots of tax $$$ just saying, "sorry, nothing we can do until it runs its course".   Masks are a tangible tool that every person can wear and feel like they're doing their part.  A large portion of our population could not mentally handle simply working towards vaccines and herd immunity.  

[Fireballer 2,643]

6 minutes ago, edjr said:

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/03/29/dozens-in-central-florida-contract-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated

This was bound to happen, but I'm guessing these cases are very mild.  I read an article the other day from the UK that said there was an "outbreak" in a nursing home full of vaccinated old people.  Later in the article, it states that most are very mild and no hospitalizations.  

[TimHauck 2,918]

17 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Scamdemic in action:

 

 

Wow you posted this like 15 minutes after he did.  Have you already purchased all of his covid pamphlets?

Berenson is a hack.   Keeps changing his tune whenever he gets proven wrong.   First it was covid wasn't real.   Then he moved to vaccines don't work which he tried to claim was actually causing more cases/deaths in Israel.   Now that indications are that they do work in Israel, it's "well that was gonna happen anyway!"

[Mrs. Voltaire 46]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Wow you posted this like 15 minutes after he did.  Have you already purchased all of his covid pamphlets?

Berenson is a hack.   Keeps changing his tune whenever he gets proven wrong.   First it was covid wasn't real.   Then he moved to vaccines don't work which he tried to claim was actually causing more cases/deaths in Israel.   Now that indications are that they do work in Israel, it's "well that was gonna happen anyway!"

He never said Covid is not real.

[TimHauck 2,918]

15 minutes ago, Mrs. Voltaire said:

He never said Covid is not real.

Sorry hard to keep up with all of his shitty takes in order to sell pamphlets since he tweets so much.   It was more of the deaths aren't real because they're just "with covid," which came after he was wildy wrong about predicting the trend in deaths to be going down by April and we'd end up with about 40k total (I wish he was right, but he wasn't)

[Mrs. Voltaire 46]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Sorry hard to keep up with all of his shitty takes in order to sell pamphlets since he tweets so much.   It was more of the deaths aren't real because they're just "with covid," which came after he was wildy wrong about predicting the trend in deaths to be going down by April and we'd end up with about 40k total (I wish he was right, but he wasn't)

That's fine, just don't lie and say he ever claimed covid was a hoax.  Lots of people were wrong early on, including people that you probably would follow like the WHO and Fauci.

[Strike 5,590]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/29/covid-vaccine-sites-478233

[TimHauck 2,918]

18 minutes ago, Mrs. Voltaire said:

That's fine, just don't lie and say he ever claimed covid was a hoax.  Lots of people were wrong early on, including people that you probably would follow like the WHO and Fauci.

Those people actually admitted they were wrong though.  Berenson didn't to my knowlege.

[Cdub100 3,931]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/03/29/dozens-in-central-florida-contract-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated

The mRNA injection is only 94% effective. The J&J is only 75%ish. So yeah some people are going to get it. No surprise.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

surprised no one posted this yet - https://www.rutgers.edu/news/rutgers-require-covid-19-vaccine-students

Yeah, not happening to my kid.  Not even checking to see if they have already been exposed is nearly criminal.  Can you imagine forcing as vaccine on kids AFTER they have already had the virus.  Goes against every bit of viral knowledge we have. 

[supermike80 1,930]

44 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

The mRNA injection is only 94% effective. The J&J is only 75%ish. So yeah some people are going to get it. No surprise.

DOZENS!!!  OMG DOZENS!!

Plus it should be noted that the evidence shows if you do happen to contract it while vaccinated, the severity is far lower and chance of death is almost zero.