Coronavirus - Doomsday

[supermike80 1,928]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

LOL. 

CA went through a second lockdown that is STILL GOING. Some of our kids haven't even gone back to school yet; literally out of school for a YEAR. 

 

Michigan too.   Not a stay at home order like we had in the spring of last year, but all restaurants, bowling alleys, casinos etc were closed.  Except for carry out.  Nothing inside.

And we still aren't back. Restaurants limited to 50% (why I don't know) with curfews still in place (Cause corona only strikes at night you see)  20% at outdoor venues.  School is still hit and miss

To say there wasn't a second shutdown is just arguing to argue.

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Michigan too.   Not a stay at home order like we had in the spring of last year, but all restaurants, bowling alleys, casinos etc were closed.  Except for carry out.  Nothing inside.

And we still aren't back. Restaurants limited to 50% (why I don't know) with curfews still in place (Cause corona only strikes at night you see)  20% at outdoor venues.  School is still hit and miss

To say there wasn't a second shutdown is just arguing to argue.

Right, it's absurd. An argument that I can't believe even exists but, that's where we are.

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16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How many states/cities shut it down?   Maybe the 80% was high but I'd still bet it was less than 50% (that shut down)

Dude, for once just admit youre wrong.  This is why no one takes you serious regarding Covid.

[supermike80 1,928]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

Right, it's absurd. An argument that I can't believe even exists but, that's where we are.

Reminds me when that goofball sho on the other site will come back with "Everything wasn't shut down" referring to grocery stores and so on.  The insanity someone must possess to even think this is an acceptable reply blows my mind.

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5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

For much of this country, the "lockdown" was only about 6-8 weeks

This is another either stupid or ignorant, or maybe both, statement.  You can't honestly believe this.

[Cdub100 3,931]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is another either stupid or ignorant, or maybe both, statement.  You can't honestly believe this.

That Tim guy can seriously go fock himself. Clueless and a liar.

[TimHauck 2,910]

49 minutes ago, Strike said:

Dude, for once just admit youre wrong.  This is why no one takes you serious regarding Covid.

I’ll admit I didn’t initially realize as many states/cities closed restaurants completely.  I still don’t think it was more than half the country.

Will you admit you were wrong about an article you posted pointing out that California’s numbers were improving, when you claimed it was evidence it was only getting worse?

I mean there are literally people in his thread claiming there were no excess deaths in 2020, and everyone’s coming after me because I didn’t know the specific restaurant ordinances in 50 different states?   You guys are a trip.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll admit I didn’t initially realize as many states/cities closed restaurants completely.  I still don’t think it was more than half the country.

Will you admit you were wrong about an article you posted pointing out that California’s numbers were improving, when you claimed it was evidence it was only getting worse?

I mean there are literally people in his thread claiming there were no excess deaths in 2020, and everyone’s coming after me because I didn’t know the specific restaurant ordinances in 50 different states?   You guys are a trip.

There were excess deaths. Not 500k from Covid, but sure. And who was dying? Old and sick people were the overwhelming majority of Covid deaths. They should have been the ones quarantined.  Not the whole damn country.  Why can’t you see that? And why are you still putting so much faith in the stats? What has to happen for you to agree that they are not accurate? A governors office has to admit it for you? 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll admit I didn’t initially realize as many states/cities closed restaurants completely.  I still don’t think it was more than half the country.

1)  You still haven't retracted your "there weren't two lockdowns" assertion. 

2)  This isn't about restaurants.  In most places, EVERYTHING was locked down.  Unless you were going to the grocery store or very few other "essential" businesses you couldn't go anywhere or do anything.

3)  I don't care what percentage of the country you "think" did or didn't shut down.  You've already backtracked by at least 30%.  You're just making sh*t up. 

4)  Are you still sticking by the 6-8 week timeline for people being locked down? 

Dude, for once just admit you're wrong.  You're either totally out of touch or just trolling like Rusty.  Either way, no one takes you seriously and it's statements like these and your refusal to admit how off you are on them that is the reason why.

[Mr. Hand 482]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Reminds me when that goofball sho on the other site will come back with "Everything wasn't shut down" referring to grocery stores and so on.  The insanity someone must possess to even think this is an acceptable reply blows my mind.

sho is a nut job.

[TimHauck 2,910]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

1)  You still haven't retracted your "there weren't two lockdowns" assertion. 

2)  This isn't about restaurants.  In most places, EVERYTHING was locked down.  Unless you were going to the grocery store or very few other "essential" businesses you couldn't go anywhere or do anything.

3)  I don't care what percentage of the country you "think" did or didn't shut down.  You've already backtracked by at least 30%.  You're just making sh*t up. 

4)  Are you still sticking by the 6-8 week timeline for people being locked down? 

Dude, for once just admit you're wrong.  You're either totally out of touch or just trolling like Rusty.  Either way, no one takes you seriously and it's statements like these and your refusal to admit how off you are on them that is the reason why.

No “everything” wasn’t closed in many places for longer than 6-8 weeks.   I’ll admit I didn’t realize Colorado was that strict, but most of the rest of you guys are just naming the few places that got a lot of press about their restrictions (which again, I disagreed with) - California, NYC, Michigan, etc.

There were a lot of places that you could eat inside at by mid-May (yes with capacity restrictions).  You could also go to many stores & shopping malls, public parks, pools, beaches & playgrounds, many areas offered youth sports & activities and of course you could never not go to Home Depot & Lowe’s or Walmart & Target.   While yes there were a lot of schools that were mostly virtual for a long time (or still are) and that’s one area  we probably should have allowed more of in person, many daycares did reopen by mid-May.   

Yes, there have been certain industries devastated by covid - bars/clubs, concerts, movie theaters,  travel/hotels, etc but one of my main points from earlier in this thread was that many of those industries would have been devastated by covid regardless of what the government did or didn’t do.  Many here seem to be acting like if there weren’t restrictions all of these businesses would have been in the same situation as they were in November 2019 when that’s just not the case.

[TimHauck 2,910]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The people at risk, who were identified very early in this process, shouid have been the ones quarantined , not everyone else. Once that curve got flattened things should have opened up with safety precautions in place. How’s that? 

But getting back to what started this tangent, what exactly does this have to do with the knowledge that it’s highly unlikely to get reinfected within 6+ months of having covid?

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54 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No “everything” wasn’t closed in many places for longer than 6-8 weeks.   I’ll admit I didn’t realize Colorado was that strict, but most of the rest of you guys are just naming the few places that got a lot of press about their restrictions (which again, I disagreed with) - California, NYC, Michigan, etc.

There were a lot of places that you could eat inside at by mid-May (yes with capacity restrictions).  You could also go to many stores & shopping malls, public parks, pools, beaches & playgrounds, many areas offered youth sports & activities and of course you could never not go to Home Depot & Lowe’s or Walmart & Target.   While yes there were a lot of schools that were mostly virtual for a long time (or still are) and that’s one area  we probably should have allowed more of in person, many daycares did reopen by mid-May.   

Yes, there have been certain industries devastated by covid - bars/clubs, concerts, movie theaters,  travel/hotels, etc but one of my main points from earlier in this thread was that many of those industries would have been devastated by covid regardless of what the government did or didn’t do.  Many here seem to be acting like if there weren’t restrictions all of these businesses would have been in the same situation as they were in November 2019 when that’s just not the case.

And again, you're ignoring the FACT that most places locked down again late last year for a least a couple of months.   Ugh. 

[Cdub100 3,931]

Tim Hack.

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2 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Tim Hack.

Pretty much.  I mean, dude thinks the country hasn't had multiple lockdowns and that the ONE we had was only for 6 weeks.  I mean, he can't be serious, can he?

[Cdub100 3,931]

23 minutes ago, Strike said:

Pretty much.  I mean, dude thinks the country hasn't had multiple lockdowns and that the ONE we had was only for 6 weeks.  I mean, he can't be serious, can he?

The dude is seriously misinformed it's pretty clear that the programming is strong with him despite what his eyes and ears see his brain will process the information he's told exactly how the media wants him to process it peaceful protests and all that stuff

[TimHauck 2,910]

On 3/19/2021 at 9:02 PM, Strike said:

And again, you're ignoring the FACT that most places locked down again late last year for a least a couple of months.   Ugh. 

Here's a list of the places that shut down indoor dining (as of 12/30, so should be a pretty complete list):

https://www.fsrmagazine.com/consumer-trends/running-list-states-reshutting-dine-service-due-covid-19-spikes

Minnesota: 5.7 million population, 1.7% of US

Colorado: 15 of 64 counties, but let's just say the whole state, 5.8 million population 1.8% of US, 3.5% running total

Washington: 7.7 million population, 2.3% of US, 5.8% running total

Oregon: 4.2 million population 1.3% of US, 7.1% running total

Michigan: 10.0 million population, 3.0% of US, 10.1% running total

New Mexico: 2.1 million population, 0.6% of US, 10.7% running total

Illinois: 12.6 million population, 3.8% of US, 14.5% running total

California: 39.4 million population, "most of the state" 11.9% of US, 26.4% running total

Missouri: only St. Louis, but let's say it's the whole state, 6.2 million population, 1.9% of US, 28.3% running total

Pennsylvania: 12.8 million population, 3.9% of US, 32.2% running total

New York: mostly in the NYC area, but let's say it's the whole state, 19.3 million population, 5.8% of US, 38% running total

There were a few that were around 25% but I wouldn't call that a lockdown either, if it is talk about first world problems (and even if it does it probably cancels out the areas where I counted entire states but it was only portions of them)

 

I already admitted the 80% was high, but no, "most" of the country did not have a second lockdown.   I demand an apology of you admitting you were wrong.

[TimHauck 2,910]

You wanna see a real lockdown go to China where they were literally locking people in their homes.  US wasn't a real lockdown (thankfully)

[Reality 3,121]

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31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Here's a list of the places that shut down indoor dining (as of 12/30, so should be a pretty complete list):

https://www.fsrmagazine.com/consumer-trends/running-list-states-reshutting-dine-service-due-covid-19-spikes

Minnesota: 5.7 million population, 1.7% of US

Colorado: 15 of 64 counties, but let's just say the whole state, 5.8 million population 1.8% of US, 3.5% running total

Washington: 7.7 million population, 2.3% of US, 5.8% running total

Oregon: 4.2 million population 1.3% of US, 7.1% running total

Michigan: 10.0 million population, 3.0% of US, 10.1% running total

New Mexico: 2.1 million population, 0.6% of US, 10.7% running total

Illinois: 12.6 million population, 3.8% of US, 14.5% running total

California: 39.4 million population, "most of the state" 11.9% of US, 26.4% running total

Missouri: only St. Louis, but let's say it's the whole state, 6.2 million population, 1.9% of US, 28.3% running total

Pennsylvania: 12.8 million population, 3.9% of US, 32.2% running total

New York: mostly in the NYC area, but let's say it's the whole state, 19.3 million population, 5.8% of US, 38% running total

There were a few that were around 25% but I wouldn't call that a lockdown either, if it is talk about first world problems (and even if it does it probably cancels out the areas where I counted entire states but it was only portions of them)

 

I already admitted the 80% was high, but no, "most" of the country did not have a second lockdown.   I demand an apology of you admitting you were wrong.

Keep digging!  That hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper!!!!

[TimHauck 2,910]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Keep digging!  That hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper!!!!

So is it OK for people to say only 6% of "with covid" deaths were actually "from" covid, when it's more like 91%?  Because that's a lot more incorrect than me. 

[edjr 6,608]

Mayor Mahty Walsh this weekend

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"On Monday we are going to allow live entertainment. Singing is still not allowed indoors, as it spreads droplets"

 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So is it OK for people to say only 6% of "with covid" deaths were actually "from" covid, when it's more like 91%?  Because that's a lot more incorrect than me. 

Changing the subject?  Nice try.  And why are you asking me about something I've never said?  If you have a problem with something someone else said take it up with them.  Otherwise, stick to the topic, which is you saying that people were only locked down for 6 weeks and it was a one time deal.  That there weren't secondary lockdowns.   Stick to trying to defend those statements and don't try to deflect to avoid  looking like an idiot.

[Utilit99 4,099]

Do they have stats on how many liberals were killed by the chinese flu vs. how many conservatives? I need to see those before I determine if this flu has been a good thing or a bad thing in the long run for this country.

[TimHauck 2,910]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

Changing the subject?  Nice try.  And why are you asking me about something I've never said?  If you have a problem with something someone else said take it up with them.  Otherwise, stick to the topic, which is you saying that people were only locked down for 6 weeks and it was a one time deal.  That there weren't secondary lockdowns.   Stick to trying to defend those statements and don't try to deflect to avoid  looking like an idiot.

And yet no one ever answered my question about why I even said that...What does a "lockdown" have to do with knowledge that someone that gets covid is unlikely to get it for 6+ months?

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And yet no one ever answered my question about why I even said that...What does a "lockdown" have to do with knowledge that someone that gets covid is unlikely to get it for 6+ months?

 

Just because you proved something didn't happen for 6 months, didn't mean you proved it ever happens.

[lod001 1,344]

So the fatties and unhealthy are dying once covid gets in their system. They are not dying from covid, they are dying from being unhealthy to begin with and the comorbidities they walk around with.  Hey, get a shot of experimental 'vaccine' (that they have no idea if it even works 6 months from now, and get a free donut every day for a year. JFC, you can't even make up this kind of insanity.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-kreme-free-doughnut-every-day-2021-covid-19-vaccination-card/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=114037314

[TimHauck 2,910]

6 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Just because you proved something didn't happen for 6 months, didn't mean you proved it ever happens.

That still doesn't answer the question...

Are you suggesting there should be some sort of ID card given out to those that have already had it so that they don't have to follow any restrictions?

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13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And yet no one ever answered my question about why I even said that...What does a "lockdown" have to do with knowledge that someone that gets covid is unlikely to get it for 6+ months?

 

I looked back to last Tuesday and don't see any questions from you that meet the criteria above.  I have no idea what you're talking about.  But I don't care.  Why do you keep changing the subject?  Support your assertions that there was only one lockdown and it lasted 6 weeks.  Don't be a focking poosey who runs away from his statements.

[TK0001 99]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That still doesn't answer the question...

What IS the actual question? Something something lockdowns/6 months immunity?

Spell it out better.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

So the fatties and unhealthy are dying once covid gets in their system. They are not dying from covid, they are dying from being unhealthy to begin with and the comorbidities they walk around with.  Hey, get a shot of experimental 'vaccine' (that they have no idea if it even works 6 months from now, and get a free donut every day for a year. JFC, you can't even make up this kind of insanity.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-kreme-free-doughnut-every-day-2021-covid-19-vaccination-card/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=114037314

This won't end well for KK. 

[TimHauck 2,910]

8 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

What IS the actual question? Something something lockdowns/6 months immunity?

Spell it out better.

 

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What does a "lockdown" have to do with knowledge that someone that gets covid is unlikely to get it for 6+ months?

 

[TimHauck 2,910]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:56 AM, Reality said:

What an absurd statement, no, we haven't treated this virus like folks who had it are immune for at least 6 months.  We've ruined people's livelihood by not treating it that way.  

 

On 3/19/2021 at 9:37 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

The people at risk, who were identified very early in this process, shouid have been the ones quarantined , not everyone else. Once that curve got flattened things should have opened up with safety precautions in place. How’s that? 

 

On 3/19/2021 at 9:46 AM, Reality said:

Right. 

 

This is the original conversation I was responding to.    Trying to understand what HT's post had to do with knowing that folks who had it are immune for 6 months.

[TimHauck 2,910]

56 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Do they have stats on how many liberals were killed by the chinese flu vs. how many conservatives? I need to see those before I determine if this flu has been a good thing or a bad thing in the long run for this country.

Are conservatives more likely to be old, fat and unhealthy?  Probably, right?

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Are conservatives more likely to be old, fat and unhealthy?  Probably, right?

https://www.google.com/search?q=stacey+abrams&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS925US925&sxsrf=ALeKk01vuVt71kh4JTZBFKJBEGl2X0YDNg:1616432378087&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=lXhqz-Y5EJYIGM%2CqdSz8JxeOay-1M%2C%2Fm%2F0k0v28f&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQUOEnFW0W9aw5uU64NK8i822uHwQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV6crtr8TvAhXeD1kFHYIiCigQ_B16BAhPEAI&biw=1229&bih=575#imgrc=0W_5QtnZKZ3ZaM

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

 

This is the original conversation I was responding to.    Trying to understand what HT's post had to do with knowing that folks who had it are immune for 6 months.

No.  HT's response that you just posted was a direct reply to this, from YOU:

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What could have been done much differently based on that information though?

WTF is wrong with you?  Quit wasting our time.

[TimHauck 2,910]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  HT's response that you just posted was a direct reply to this, from YOU:

WTF is wrong with you?  Quit wasting our time.

Yeah, can you read?  "That information" is referring to knowing those that have had it are unlikely to get it again for 6+ months.

So the question still stands: what does quarantining those at risk have to do with the knowledge that those that have had it are unlikely to get it again for 6+ months?

[Mr. Hand 482]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  HT's response that you just posted was a direct reply to this, from YOU:

WTF is wrong with you?  Quit wasting our time.

It’s unbelievable the stuff he posts 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

It’s unbelievable the stuff he posts 

He's a troll.  He's been caught in lies about 100 times so far and keeps on.  Probably has 5 computers going. 

[TimHauck 2,910]

So no one is going to answer my question then?  And you call me the troll...