Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,915]

Good info on cities “magically” opening up

https://badcovid19takes.substack.com/p/cities-are-not-magically-opening

[TimHauck 2,915]

Alex Berenson:   Large majority of covid deaths weren’t actually from covid

Also Alex Berenson: 148 deaths a couple weeks after ~12 million getting the vaccine (0.001%) - vaccine must have killed them all even though the same report explicitly says some of them died of something else.

And no, 0.001% is not comparable to the covid death rate as that is the TOTAL.   The 0.003% cited by deniers here (still 3x higher of course) is only for 0-19 years old and the vaccine is only going to 16+ (Pfizer) and 18+ (Moderna) and they’re only getting it at that age if they work in health care.

[Gutterboys Flip Flops 110]

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good info on cities “magically” opening up

https://badcovid19takes.substack.com/p/cities-are-not-magically-opening

Stupid 

The case numbers have always been garbage.  Ct rate was deliberately upped to increase case numbers and now lowered to decrease them. Cool blog though. 

[Cdub100 3,931]

38 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Alex Berenson:   Large majority of covid deaths weren’t actually from covid

Also Alex Berenson: 148 deaths a couple weeks after ~12 million getting the vaccine (0.001%) - vaccine must have killed them all even though the same report explicitly says some of them died of something else.

And no, 0.001% is not comparable to the covid death rate as that is the TOTAL.   The 0.003% cited by deniers here (still 3x higher of course) is only for 0-19 years old and the vaccine is only going to 16+ (Pfizer) and 18+ (Moderna) and they’re only getting it at that age if they work in health care.

Stating the actual rates makes a person a denier. Wow...

Get a grip and look around you. It really doesn't help you the Democrats are showing their true colors. 

The day after orange man is out of office all these cities start lifting restrictions even though they have higher infections than at any other time. People like you and your junk twitter science keep lying. Sad.

[TimHauck 2,915]

8 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Stating the actual rates makes a person a denier. Wow...

When you state the "current best estimate" for 0-19 year olds, and try to pass it off as the total rate, yes you are a denier

[TimHauck 2,915]

23 minutes ago, Gutterboys Flip Flops said:

Stupid 

The case numbers have always been garbage.  Ct rate was deliberately upped to increase case numbers and now lowered to decrease them. Cool blog though. 

Actually the article even points out that some of the metrics are arbitrary.  But they were following the metrics that were previously set, not who the president was.

Edit: For one, case numbers are not the only metric.   And I don't believe cycle rates have been changed much if any at least in the past 3 months.  I think it was you that posted the link about Kansas lowering the cycle rates?  Except that was in October, which would be contrary to your theory...

Edit: And the other key point is that the majority of the restrictions being lifted now weren't even put in until after the election

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

[Strike 5,590]

4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

 

He's more worried about getting recalled than Biden but yeah, CA got played. 

[Gutterboys Flip Flops 110]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Stop trying to politicize this issue. Everything the government did in those cities were for the safety and well being of their citizens.

All on the up and up.  Nothing to see here. 

Racist. 

[TimHauck 2,915]

Well this isn't going to help some of those teacher's unions come back - healthy 40-year old teacher dies of covid in my area.   I guess 40 is over the hill though, so he was probably going to die soon anyway

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/put-everybody-above-himself-friends-remember-salisbury-teacher-who-died-covid-19/IOXF3GGASBDP5HCOKXAQJHCE3I/

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Well this isn't going to help some of those teacher's unions come back - healthy 40-year old teacher dies of covid.   I guess 40 is over the hill though, so he was probably going to die soon anyway

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/put-everybody-above-himself-friends-remember-salisbury-teacher-who-died-covid-19/IOXF3GGASBDP5HCOKXAQJHCE3I/

Healthy is a relative term.  Just because he wasn't bed ridden doesn't mean he didn't have other, manageable, underlying conditions.  I'm not saying he did.  We just don't know.  More importantly, YOU don't know.  And this is why no one takes you seriously.

[Gutterboys Flip Flops 110]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well this isn't going to help some of those teacher's unions come back - healthy 40-year old teacher dies of covid in my area.   I guess 40 is over the hill though, so he was probably going to die soon anyway

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/put-everybody-above-himself-friends-remember-salisbury-teacher-who-died-covid-19/IOXF3GGASBDP5HCOKXAQJHCE3I/

Got it from a student is the default assumption? 

[TimHauck 2,915]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Healthy is a relative term.  Just because he wasn't bed ridden doesn't mean he didn't have other, manageable, underlying conditions.  I'm not saying he did.  We just don't know.  More importantly, YOU don't know.  And this is why no one takes you seriously.

I was going off the article which said he was healthy.  And picture.

[TimHauck 2,915]

13 minutes ago, Gutterboys Flip Flops said:

Got it from a student is the default assumption? 

No clue

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

13 minutes ago, Gutterboys Flip Flops said:

Got it from a student is the default assumption? 

Of course. Even though we all know he didn’t.  Science. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

What if he had an ugly wife? How would they have restated this?

“He’s got a beautiful wife and great kids, wonderful parents, and it tears my heart up for them,” said Pauley.

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15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I was going off the article which said he was healthy.  And picture.

The article doesn't say that at all.  The article says other people said he was healthy.  And to them maybe he was.  Again, healthy is a relative term.  He could have had diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.....all manageable diseases where the individual can appear healthy but still be in an at risk category.  You should just quit while you're behind.  Relying on the lay person opinion of people's health doesn't help in this discussion.

[TimHauck 2,915]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

The article doesn't say that at all.  The article says other people said he was healthy.  And to them maybe he was.  Again, healthy is a relative term.  He could have had diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.....all manageable diseases where the individual can appear healthy but still be in an at risk category.  You should just quit while you're behind.  Relying on the lay person opinion of people's health doesn't help in this discussion.

You don't think his best friends know whether or not he was healthy?   

https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/54067544_1611166763712045_r.jpeg - far right, never met him but I can probably guarantee he's healthier than 99% of this board (which I know probably isn't saying much)

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You don't think his best friends know whether or not he was healthy?   

https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/54067544_1611166763712045_r.jpeg - far right, never met him but I can probably guarantee he's healthier than 99% of this board (which I know probably isn't saying much)

Do you discuss what types of underlying, managed conditions you have with your friends?  I mean I don't avoid it but for the most part my health issues are my health issues.  And that article is relying on only TWO people saying that, and they're saying that in a very layperson manner.  For example, if you asked me I'd tell you that my GF is healthy.  But in reality she's high risk for Covid.  She has every type of RA known to man, and some that haven't been found yet.  But with (a lot of) drugs she manages her RA.  She can do most things most people can do but make no mistake, she's not healthy in the way you'd want for someone to contract Covid.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You don't think his best friends know whether or not he was healthy?   

https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/54067544_1611166763712045_r.jpeg - far right, never met him but I can probably guarantee he's healthier than 99% of this board (which I know probably isn't saying much)

Meh. 

What friends and even family see is going to be different than what's actually shown in your medical record. 

My friends likely see me as being in excellent health. I am a healthy weight, I swim/ride my bike/run and get in some kind of activity 7 days a week. 

At the same time, I have a medical ID bracelet on, but most of them don't pay attention to that, or even know what it's for. 

[Boots11234 108]

So either the Govt knows something about covid that we dont and it scares them or its a huge power grab to more tightly control and remove our rights.  I'm not sure.

[TimHauck 2,915]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Do you discuss what types of underlying, managed conditions you have with your friends?  I mean I don't avoid it but for the most part my health issues are my health issues.  And that article is relying on only TWO people saying that, and they're saying that in a very layperson manner.  For example, if you asked me I'd tell you that my GF is healthy.  But in reality she's high risk for Covid.  She has every type of RA known to man, and some that haven't been found yet.  But with (a lot of) drugs she manages her RA.  She can do most things most people can do but make no mistake, she's not healthy in the way you'd want for someone to contract Covid.

Yes.   My old boss had diabetes (passed a couple years ago of cancer) and talked about it all the time.  

I mean your points are probably moreso relevant to the discussion that some of the deniers are trying to say "every death had underlying conditions so they're just dying with covid, not from covid!!" but over half the country probably has something that could be considered an underlying condition.   As you point out, people can live long lives despite other health conditions - so if they died from covid, they died from covid, not their other condition.

[nobody 2,691]

You guys' problem is you are trying to use an individual sample to draw conclusions or bolster an argument.  Who cares what happens with one guy?  It should be the population statistics that drive the discussion.

[TimHauck 2,915]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

You guys' problem is you are trying to use an individual sample to draw conclusions or bolster an argument.  Who cares what happens with one guy?  It should be the population statistics that drive the discussion.

Well pretty sure there have literally been people in this thread claim that not a single "healthy" person actually died of covid

[Strike 5,590]

53 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes.   My old boss had diabetes (passed a couple years ago of cancer) and talked about it all the time.  

I mean your points are probably moreso relevant to the discussion that some of the deniers are trying to say "every death had underlying conditions so they're just dying with covid, not from covid!!" but over half the country probably has something that could be considered an underlying condition.   As you point out, people can live long lives despite other health conditions - so if they died from covid, they died from covid, not their other condition.

No.  My point is that we have no focking clue whether this guy was truly healthy or not.  We have the off the cuff comment from TWO friends saying he was healthy.  And then we have you trying to use this case to bolster an argument.  This guy may have been totally healthy. I've never once said healthy people don't die from this.  They're a very small percentage but I'm sure it's happened.  But what I do know is that this tangent you created does not bolster either side, and just clutters up this thread.  I wish you'd drop it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Do healthy people ever die from the flu? And I guess schools stay closed until we find the cure. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Do healthy people ever die from the flu? And I guess schools stay closed until we find the cure. 

If one person dies from it, that's too many. Shut it all down.

[Fireballer 2,643]

I believe McKanany was called reckless and dangerous and accused of endangering the Press Corp for not wearing a mask during briefings.  

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Just now, Fireballer said:

I believe McKanany was called reckless and dangerous and accused of endangering the Press Corp for not wearing a mask during briefings.  

 

She’s celebrating. 

[TimHauck 2,915]

50 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  My point is that we have no focking clue whether this guy was truly healthy or not.  We have the off the cuff comment from TWO friends saying he was healthy.  And then we have you trying to use this case to bolster an argument.  This guy may have been totally healthy. I've never once said healthy people don't die from this.  They're a very small percentage but I'm sure it's happened.  But what I do know is that this tangent you created does not bolster either side, and just clutters up this thread.  I wish you'd drop it.

You haven't said it, but others have.  I will drop it though.   But I guess we should yell at people for posting stories about 1 guy dying after getting the vaccine then too.

[Cdub100 3,931]

17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I believe McKanany was called reckless and dangerous and accused of endangering the Press Corp for not wearing a mask during briefings.  

 

Orange woman bad.

[lod001 1,344]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

The article doesn't say that at all.  The article says other people said he was healthy.  And to them maybe he was.  Again, healthy is a relative term.  He could have had diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.....all manageable diseases where the individual can appear healthy but still be in an at risk category.  You should just quit while you're behind.  Relying on the lay person opinion of people's health doesn't help in this discussion.

Exactly. I just laughed at the article months back from Texas where some family was just aghast that their "perfectly healthy" relative died from Covid.

Further down the article you read that when admitted to hospital, the doctors found he had major untreated diabetes and untreated HBP. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

51 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Exactly. I just laughed at the article months back from Texas where some family was just aghast that their "perfectly healthy" relative died from Covid.

Further down the article you read that when admitted to hospital, the doctors found he had major untreated diabetes and untreated HBP. 

These "healthy" people inevitably have a major health issue. And by major, I mean life threatening.  Every time.  Finding a healthy death from covid is the Holy Grail for the fear mongers.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

These "healthy" people inevitably have a major health issue. And by major, I mean life threatening.  Every time.  Finding a healthy death from covid is the Holy Grail for the fear mongers.

I think you’re right here but I really think a lot of those people would’ve had a lot more years in them or a chance to discover their health problem and take care of it. COVID found that health issue and used it to kill a person quickly.  

[TimHauck 2,915]

11 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

These "healthy" people inevitably have a major health issue. And by major, I mean life threatening.  Every time.  Finding a healthy death from covid is the Holy Grail for the fear mongers.

Do you think any healthy people have died from covid?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think any healthy people have died from covid?

I think the term "healthy" is ridiculous.  No one without a serious life threatening comorbidity has died from covid. Even if they don't know they had it.

[edjr 6,608]

Just booked a trip to Puerto Rico for mid February. Friend is staying there through May.

After Feb 7, good chance masks are optional

[TimHauck 2,915]

19 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I think the term "healthy" is ridiculous.  No one without a serious life threatening comorbidity has died from covid. Even if they don't know they had it.

LOL

[Cdub100 3,931]

47 minutes ago, edjr said:

Just booked a trip to Puerto Rico for mid February. Friend is staying there through May.

After Feb 7, good chance masks are optional

I see what you're doing here. Puerto Rico is VERY Crypto tax-friendly. Smart.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

So, indoor dining is safe now? Why?