Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Pfizer has covid vaccine commercials?

I've seen plenty of commercials pushing the vaccine with no warnings.

[TimHauck 2,920]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So now you get to hide behind that after today.  Why were you gonna deviate from widespread recommendations  when it was approved down to 12 under EUA?  

Was mostly just correcting you.   My point was I don't think vaccinating 12-15 with 2 doses is really a "widespread recommendation" despite being authorized.  This is a big difference from adults (especially ~25+) where it's almost a universal consensus among doctors to vaccinate if able.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-research-asks-is-one-covid-vaccine-dose-enough-for-young-teens-670956

 

 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,920]

4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I've seen plenty of commercials pushing the vaccine with no warnings.

From Pfizer?   Or from celebrities and such?   

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/04/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-isnt-advertised-tv-due-euas/5447465001/

Prior to FDA approval, they couldn't advertise the vaccine on TV. 

 

However, they can now. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

34 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/04/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-isnt-advertised-tv-due-euas/5447465001/

Prior to FDA approval, they couldn't advertise the vaccine on TV. 

 

However, they can now. 

They weren't advertising Phizer vaccine, just telling everyone to get a vaccine.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

I guess I misunderstood what you meant by "commercial" then. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

 My point was I don't think vaccinating 12-15 with 2 doses is really a "widespread recommendation" despite being authorized.  

 

Really Tim?  Really? The CDC recommends everyone 12 and over get vaxxed. In addition they say your teen will "need" to get a 2nd dose.  Are there detractors? Sure.  But to pretend and play semantics that the 2 dose vax regimen for teens isn't the prevailing opinion, you're grasping at straws.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Approval for a vaxx for a virus that nobody is getting. 

[TimHauck 2,920]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Really Tim?  Really? The CDC recommends everyone 12 and over get vaxxed. In addition they say your teen will "need" to get a 2nd dose.  Are there detractors? Sure.  But to pretend and play semantics that the 2 dose vax regimen for teens isn't the prevailing opinion, you're grasping at straws.

Plenty of doctors/scientists have been questioning the CDC on various things for awhile.    Sure, there's probably technically more saying to give 2 doses to kids than aren't, but it's not nearly as much of a majority as many other topics.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Pfizer has covid vaccine commercials?

So again, pregnant wife.  Would you have her get the shot? 

[TimHauck 2,920]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So again, pregnant wife.  Would you have her get the shot? 

asked and answered

[Fireballer 2,643]

42 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Plenty of doctors/scientists have been questioning the CDC on various things for awhile.    Sure, there's probably technically more saying to give 2 doses to kids than aren't, but it's not nearly as much of a majority as many other topics.

Tim: Question the CDC

Also Tim: Its approved, what's you're excuse now?

[TimHauck 2,920]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Tim: Question the CDC

Also Tim: Its approved, what's you're excuse now?

CDC didn't approve it, FDA did.

[Strike 5,591]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Plenty of doctors/scientists have been questioning the CDC on various things for awhile.    Sure, there's probably technically more saying to give 2 doses to kids than aren't, but it's not nearly as much of a majority as many other topics.

How much of a majority does it have to be?  And who makes the decision on how much of a majority it has to be?   FFS. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

32 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So again, pregnant wife.  Would you have her get the shot? 

Seeing as they just started the study into it, how can you be sure? 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

35 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So again, pregnant wife.  Would you have her get the shot? 

 

That would be an easy yes.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/04/clear-link-emerges-between-covid-19-and-pregnancy-complications

 

[Fireballer 2,643]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

CDC didn't approve it, FDA did.

JFC you do some hella mental gymnastics just to fall on your face. 

 

53 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Plenty of doctors/scientists have been questioning the CDC

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Tim: Question the CDC

Also Tim: Its approved, what's you're excuse now?

 

 

[TimHauck 2,920]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

JFC you do some hella mental gymnastics just to fall on your face. 

 

 

You're conflating CDC recommendations which have changed constantly with FDA authorizations/approvals which are pretty black & white.   Just because something is authorized/approved, doesn't mean it's the right thing for every single person.    But the mountains of data have shown that both doses of the vaccine are the right choice for about 95% of people about 25+.  But we don't have as much data on children.   

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Every medical institution in the world is pushing the vaccine. Getting the vaccine is orders of magnitude safer than getting Covid-19, there is a reason that all of these medical institutions are pushing the vaccine. These medical institutions are led by former doctors and while there may be a bad egg out there, the vast majority of doctors get into the profession to help people and keep people safe.

 

It is not a global conspiracy.

 

Get the vaccine and have less risk.

[Fireballer 2,643]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

You're conflating CDC recommendations which have changed constantly with FDA authorizations/approvals  

WTF are u talking about?  You're the one that wants to base your opinions on your research, but wants everyone else to follow the rules.  Your playing this semantics game today, after the FDA approval.  The EUA was approval for 12+.  CDC recommends 2 shots for everyone 12+. That hasn't changed.  You want to challenge that, and only wanted 1 shot for your kid based on your research. Fine, do your thing. But then, regardless of situation, wanna pop off with the "what's you're excuse" bullsh!t, and want everyone to get jabbed.  

[Cdub100 3,934]

Just a reminder. Every drug that was found to have side effects bad enough to remove it from the market... Was fda approved

[Fireballer 2,643]

18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Just a reminder. Every drug that was found to have side effects bad enough to remove it from the market... Was fda approved

 @TimHauck assured us that no steps have been omitted, just done simultaneously. That's what normally takes so long. He didn't answer though, when I asked how long other mRNA trials had been.

[TimHauck 2,920]

13 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

WTF are u talking about?  You're the one that wants to base your opinions on your research, but wants everyone else to follow the rules.  Your playing this semantics game today, after the FDA approval.  The EUA was approval for 12+.  CDC recommends 2 shots for everyone 12+. That hasn't changed.  You want to challenge that, and only wanted 1 shot for your kid based on your research. Fine, do your thing. But then, regardless of situation, wanna pop off with the "what's you're excuse" bullsh!t, and want everyone to get jabbed.  

I don't have any issues with approved vs. authorized, the only comment I made was correcting you in saying that it's not approved for 12-15 yet, which I immediately followed up by saying there is a non insignificant amount of doctors (including several with large social media followings, not that that should matter), questioning the need for 2 doses for kids.   

In fact even some of our peer countries aren't even vaccinating kids - https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-70ffb3d70df838f6736ed14bd3cc12a5 , UK has just started vaccinating 16-17 year olds - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58080232

Not sure why everything has to be all or nothing with you guys.  There is a middle ground.

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don't have any issues with approved vs. authorized, the only comment I made was correcting you in saying that it's not approved for 12-15 yet, which I immediately followed up by saying there is a non insignificant amount of doctors (including several with large social media followings, not that that should matter), questioning the need for 2 doses for kids.   

In fact even some of our peer countries aren't even vaccinating kids - https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-70ffb3d70df838f6736ed14bd3cc12a5 , UK has just started vaccinating 16-17 year olds - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58080232

Not sure why everything has to be all or nothing with you guys.  There is a middle ground.

 

The middle ground is stop pushing shlt on people who don't want it. Get it if you want it, let the others be.

[Cdub100 3,934]

21 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 @TimHauck assured us that no steps have been omitted, just done simultaneously. That's what normally takes so long. He didn't answer though, when I asked how long other mRNA trials had been.

I work for the government. I have a PMP and have done major billion-dollar projects. There is a reason we have checks, gates, and milestones. That simultaneous BS just gets a product out faster.

While I agree sometimes it has to be done and it's better than not doing anything. You're a fool if you believe there won't be major issues down the road.

[GobbleDog 997]

"Get the vaccine! Otherwise, you might die!"

-vs-

"Get the vaccine even though your chances of dying are less than 0.005%.  But it might help lots of old/fat people with numerous health problems."

 

The first tactic probably works better.

[TimHauck 2,920]

2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

"Get the vaccine even though your chances of dying are less than 0.005%.

 

That's only if you're less than ~20

[Cdub100 3,934]

18 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

"Get the vaccine! Otherwise, you might die!"

-vs-

"Get the vaccine even though your chances of dying are less than 0.005%.  But it might help lots of old/fat people with numerous health problems."

 

The first tactic probably works better.

It's clear the CDC, WHO and US government don't give two sh1ts about people's health.

Otherwise, they would push people to be healthier. I saw a meme that said the US government was sending everyone a Fitbit and mailing people stimulus checks to people if they got 15k step in every day. Just kidding go get your free donut and cheeseburger after you get a shot.

[GobbleDog 997]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That's only if you're less than ~20

I'm 50. According to the Covid-19 Mortality Risk Calculator https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator my mortality rate is "1.0 per 100,000" or 0.001%.

 

Oh no!!!!!  

[Cdub100 3,934]

1 minute ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm 50. According to the Covid-19 Mortality Risk Calculator https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator my mortality rate is "1.0 per 100,000" or 0.001%.

 

Oh no!!!!!  

YOU'RE GONNA DIEEEEEEE!!!!!

[Fireballer 2,643]

Reed got the Covid???  Or the ever so common bilateral summer time pneumonia in a 30 something?

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

14 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm 50. According to the Covid-19 Mortality Risk Calculator https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator my mortality rate is "1.0 per 100,000" or 0.001%.

 

Oh no!!!!!  

I checked mine.  I got a mortality rate of .4 per 10,000,000.

[TimHauck 2,920]

10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm 50. According to the Covid-19 Mortality Risk Calculator https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator my mortality rate is "1.0 per 100,000" or 0.001%.

 

Oh no!!!!!  

I've never used that site, but it appears that is not an IFR, but an overall risk, in other words that number is also including an estimated risk of catching the virus

[Fireballer 2,643]

All the data I see is vaxxed v/s un-vaxxed. With all these overflowing ERs and ICUs, we have to have some more reliable data on how those previously infected are handling this.  Where is it?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb just joined Pfizer’s  board of directors. 

[Cdub100 3,934]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb just joined Pfizer’s  board of directors. 

I'm shocked!!! 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

All the data I see is vaxxed v/s un-vaxxed. With all these overflowing ERs and ICUs, we have to have some more reliable data on how those previously infected are handling this.  Where is it?  

That is information that they obviously don't want out. They want previously infected to get the vax so as to destroy any chance of knowing.

[TimHauck 2,920]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

That is information that they obviously don't want out. They want previously infected to get the vax so as to destroy any chance of knowing.

I gave you some of that data a couple days ago when I thought that’s what you were asking but were actually just asking about total cases.

[TimHauck 2,920]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb just joined Pfizer’s  board of directors. 

If by “just,” you mean June 2019, then sure.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/scott_gottlieb_elected_to_pfizer_s_board_of_directors

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If by “just,” you mean June 2019, then sure.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/scott_gottlieb_elected_to_pfizer_s_board_of_directors

Even worse.  Thanks