Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,922]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Even worse.  Thanks 

LOL what’s your claim here?  He helped create covid so he could profit from the vaccine?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

LOL what’s your claim here?  He helped create covid so he could profit from the vaccine?

No. That the heads of these agencies are all compromised, setting themselves up for big money jobs with the pharmaceutical companies. You didn’t know that? How naive are you? 

[Fireballer 2,643]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I gave you some of that data a couple days ago when I thought that’s what you were asking but were actually just asking about total cases.

Please share...what rate of hospitalizations/death are we seeing with previously infected?

[shorepatrol 1,871]

My unvaccinated brother in laws came back from sturgis  ,  we partied in my garage after their sturgis trip just like we did last year . None of us have ever masked, anywhere. We aren't dead. Again. 

[jerryskids 6,845]

6 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 @TimHauck assured us that no steps have been omitted, just done simultaneously. That's what normally takes so long. He didn't answer though, when I asked how long other mRNA trials had been.

I was wondering, if you could always do it in parallel, why does everyone else do it in series and take so long?  

[DonS 3,292]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was wondering, if you could always do it in parallel, why does everyone else do it in series and take so long?  

Interesting point.  Was allowing it to be done in parallel one of the parts of Operation Warp Speed? 

[jerryskids 6,845]

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Based on the information you have provided, the tool estimates that you have 0.23 (95% CI: 0.21 - 0.25 ) times the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to the average risk for the US population.

 

What?  I have less than 1/4 the AVERAGE chance of dying in the US?    I’m 54, got cancer within the past year (close enough, about a year), said I used to smoke (not true as I used to chew instead, so my lungs are great other than the cancer thingy).  How is that possible?  Well, I’m white, live in a fairly affluent zip code, and am 5’11 160.  Hmm…

[jerryskids 6,845]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

Interesting point.  Was allowing it to be done in parallel one of the parts of Operation Warp Speed? 

I think so.  Also I think the answer is that maybe companies could, but the risk and expense of them failing the later larger tests is too big to justify it, but the gubment told them they’d cover the costs to do it in parallel.   

[lod001 1,344]

Here's what the Pfizer jab is doing to you.

https://americanconservativemovement.com/2021/08/22/fda-ignores-new-uk-study-showing-pfizer-vaccine-destroys-t-cells-weakens-the-immune-system/

[TimHauck 2,922]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I think so.  Also I think the answer is that maybe companies could, but the risk and expense of them failing the later larger tests is too big to justify it, but the gubment told them they’d cover the costs to do it in parallel.   

Yes I’m not 100% familiar with how it worked but I think this is basically it.

[TimHauck 2,922]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. That the heads of these agencies are all compromised, setting themselves up for big money jobs with the pharmaceutical companies. You didn’t know that? How naive are you? 

Or maybe working for government agencies is good experience to have when moving to the private sector?  Not like that doesn’t happen in all different industries...

[Masshole 642]

As our country contemplates locking down again and other measures, it is useful to step back and remember these stats.   All of these are just CV19 deaths, no factoring for comorbidities.  All are directly from the CDC:

Average life expectancy in the US = 78 yrs old

Percentage of total US Covid deaths  of people 75 yrs old and up = 57%

The total # of people age 30 and younger who have died from Covid in the US = 3,000

The total # of people age 40 and younger who have died from Covid = 10,500

Total US population = 330 million (actually 360M if you factor in illegals)

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Here's what the Pfizer jab is doing to you.

https://americanconservativemovement.com/2021/08/22/fda-ignores-new-uk-study-showing-pfizer-vaccine-destroys-t-cells-weakens-the-immune-system/

 

That link is fake news, all of the studies show the exact opposite, these are done by hundreds of independent physicians globally.

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210701150957.htm

[supermike80 1,931]

5 minutes ago, Masshole said:

As our country contemplates locking down again and other measures, it is useful to step back and remember these stats.   All of these are just CV19 deaths, no factoring for comorbidities.  All are directly from the CDC:

Average life expectancy in the US = 78 yrs old

Percentage of total US Covid deaths  of people 75 yrs old and up = 57%

The total # of people age 30 and younger who have died from Covid in the US = 3,000

The total # of people age 40 and younger who have died from Covid = 10,500

Total US population = 330 million (actually 360M if you factor in illegals)

Why do you hate grandmas???

[Masshole 642]

4 minutes ago, Masshole said:

As our country contemplates locking down again and other measures, it is useful to step back and remember these stats.   All of these are just CV19 deaths, no factoring for comorbidities.  All are directly from the CDC:

Average life expectancy in the US = 78 yrs old

Percentage of total US Covid deaths  of people 75 yrs old and up = 57%

The total # of people age 30 and younger who have died from Covid in the US = 3,000

The total # of people age 40 and younger who have died from Covid = 10,500

Total US population = 330 million (actually 360M if you factor in illegals)

One follow up note to this post.   I am not big conspiracy theory guy but when I Googled the sh1t out of the question "average age of US Coronavirus deaths" I couldn't get a decent result.   Seems a bit odd to me in a world where I can Google up 1,000 ceviche recipes in about 5 seconds, that I couldn't get a direct result/answer to that pretty basic question.   

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

4 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

That link is fake news, all of the studies show the exact opposite, these are done by hundreds of independent physicians globally.

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210701150957.htm

You don't think the American Conservative Movement has any kind of agenda, do you? 

[TimHauck 2,922]

16 minutes ago, Masshole said:

As our country contemplates locking down again and other measures, it is useful to step back and remember these stats.   All of these are just CV19 deaths, no factoring for comorbidities.  All are directly from the CDC:

Average life expectancy in the US = 78 yrs old

Percentage of total US Covid deaths  of people 75 yrs old and up = 57%

The total # of people age 30 and younger who have died from Covid in the US = 3,000

The total # of people age 40 and younger who have died from Covid = 10,500

Total US population = 330 million (actually 360M if you factor in illegals)

You forgot 20k 40-49, 99k 50-64, and 137k 65-74

[TimHauck 2,922]

And pretty sure our country isn't "contemplating locking down again"

[Masshole 642]

37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You forgot 20k 40-49, 99k 50-64, and 137k 65-74

No I didn't forget.   But you know that don't you?   That obviously wasn't my point.

So 256K in a country of 360M just for that age demo (40-64).    What's your point?   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Or maybe working for government agencies is good experience to have when moving to the private sector?  Not like that doesn’t happen in all different industries...

The people working at these agencies right now have their eye on a private sector deal as they regulate their prospective future employers.  You think that’s not a problem. Wow. 

[TimHauck 2,922]

54 minutes ago, Masshole said:

No I didn't forget.   But you know that don't you?   That obviously wasn't my point.

So 256K in a country of 360M just for that age demo (40-64).    What's your point?   

Well you seem to be forgetting that it's usually old people that die of anything.

For example, if you compare to the flu, the worst flu season in the past 10 years was in 2017-2018 (61k estimated deaths, so about 1/9th that of the first year of covid).    Total # of estimated flu deaths in 2017 in ages 0-64?  10,197.   So probably still about 1/9th of the # of covid deaths in ages 0-64 (only taking about 70% of the above number due to covid not being the underlying cause for all of them and the fact that it's now been over a year).

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.ht

[Masshole 642]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well you seem to be forgetting that it's usually old people that die of anything.

For example, if you compare to the flu, the worst flu season in the past 10 years was in 2017-2018 (61k estimated deaths, so about 1/9th that of the first year of covid).    Total # of estimated flu deaths in 2017 in ages 0-64?  10,197.   So probably still about 1/9th of the # of covid deaths in ages 0-64 (only taking about 70% of the above number due to covid not being the underlying cause for all of them and the fact that it's now been over a year).

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.ht

No, that was actually my point.     Good god, are you confused or just trolling?     Never mind, don't answer.   I know which one it is.  

[TimHauck 2,922]

25 minutes ago, Masshole said:

No, that was actually my point.     Good god, are you confused or just trolling?     Never mind, don't answer.   I know which one it is.  

Well my point is that 256k people less than 64 years old dying is a lot.   Way more than usual.   

For example here is a breakdown of deaths by age in 2020 - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

In ages 65+, covid accounted for 12-13% of deaths.   In 45-64, it accounted for 10%.  So it's not true to say covid only effects the elderly.

Here is some data from 2017 (closest I could find) on leading causes of death by age - https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2017-508.pdf

Covid would've been the 5th leading cause of death for ages 35-44, the 4th leading cause for ages 45-54, and the 3rd leading cause for ages 55-64.

[lod001 1,344]

3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

That link is fake news, all of the studies show the exact opposite, these are done by hundreds of independent physicians globally.

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210701150957.htm

We will see who is right. Keep pumping that sh1t into your body. Your 1st 2 jabs didn't get the job done, the 3rd wont and neither will any after that. However, 5 years from now I wouldn't want to be you...if you are even still alive.

[TimHauck 2,922]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The people working at these agencies right now have their eye on a private sector deal as they regulate their prospective future employers.  You think that’s not a problem. Wow. 

So what, you think they should be banned from getting jobs with pharmaceutical companies?  Are you fascist?

[lod001 1,344]

Not sure I posted this one yet but it's 100% accurate.

 

 

[TimHauck 2,922]

3 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Not sure I posted this one yet but it's 100% accurate.

 

 

 

 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

7 minutes ago, lod001 said:

We will see who is right. Keep pumping that sh1t into your body. Your 1st 2 jabs didn't get the job done, the 3rd wont and neither will any after that. However, 5 years from now I wouldn't want to be you...if you are even still alive.

 

You are correct, I see the light now, it is a global conspiracy by the medical industry to kill the worlds population. They say that they want to help but who can possibly believe that.

[TimHauck 2,922]

3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

That link is fake news, all of the studies show the exact opposite, these are done by hundreds of independent physicians globally.

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210701150957.htm

This appears to be the study they're referring to - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01290-3/fulltext

It mostly seems to be just saying the response isn't as good against Delta as other strains.  Don't see anything about "destroying T cells"

[lod001 1,344]

32 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

You are correct, I see the light now, it is a global conspiracy by the medical industry to kill the worlds population. They say that they want to help but who can possibly believe that.

I really don't know what is going on but the planet has completely lost its mind. Look at AU. Unless they allow this to spread and take their lumps they will never come out of lockdown.

I do know that pfizer is trying to make as much $ off this as they can. Their crap is 2nd to astro-zeneca as being complete garbage and the FDA gave them clearance. Why? 

 

 

[Cdub100 3,934]

4 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Why do you hate grandmas???

Grandma? Won't someone think of the children?!?!?!? 

 

REEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[jerryskids 6,845]

6 hours ago, Masshole said:

One follow up note to this post.   I am not big conspiracy theory guy but when I Googled the sh1t out of the question "average age of US Coronavirus deaths" I couldn't get a decent result.   Seems a bit odd to me in a world where I can Google up 1,000 ceviche recipes in about 5 seconds, that I couldn't get a direct result/answer to that pretty basic question.   

I'm craving ceviche now, did you find a good recipe?   

[lod001 1,344]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

anD that has to do with the jab & covid how? 

You really have nothing at this point. You are completely defeated.

[lod001 1,344]

Back to the debacle called Israel.

 

[jerryskids 6,845]

7 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

That link is fake news, all of the studies show the exact opposite, these are done by hundreds of independent physicians globally.

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210701150957.htm

Whew, thanks.  When I read his first link I was  because, umm, I need all of the T cells I can get in my cancerous state.  Now I'm less worried, which is good because Mayo was strongly advising that get the booster because of my compromised immuno, I'll probably do it.

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Dear Mr. Jerryskids:

 

Recently, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended that moderately or severely immunocompromised people receive an additional dose of a mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, either the Pfizer or Moderna brand vaccine. For example, patients who are receiving chemotherapy, those who have had a solid organ transplant, or those who are taking a drug that causes the immune system to be suppressed.

 

Based on a medication or condition that is noted in your medical record, you are likely in this group of people who is eligible for an additional COVID-19 vaccine shot. Also, our records show you have already received two doses of a mRNA vaccine.

 

We encourage you to receive a third dose of vaccine as soon as you are able. It is safe to receive your third dose at any existing vaccine site that is convenient to you. To learn about current vaccine sites in Arizona, go to MayoClinic.org/AZvaccine.

 

Vaccine brand and timing

The CDC recommends that you receive the same vaccine brand that you received for your first two doses, but if that is not feasible, receiving a different brand is acceptable. Regardless, you should receive the additional dose at least 28 days after your last dose. Mayo Clinic supports these recommendations.

 

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is not a mRNA vaccine. People who received this one-dose vaccine do not need an additional dose at this time.

 

[fandandy 3,313]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Whew, thanks.  When I read his first link I was  because, umm, I need all of the T cells I can get in my cancerous state.  Now I'm less worried, which is good because Mayo was strongly advising that get the booster because of my compromised immuno, I'll probably do it.

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What have you heard about Mayo being inundated with Covid patients?

There is a customer whose wife has some obscure disease and the only place who can treat her is the Mayo Clinic, supposedly. 

I just asked him if he had gotten her in and he said no, Covid.

Have you noticed this issue there?

 

[TimHauck 2,922]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

anD that has to do with the jab & covid how? 

You really have nothing at this point. You are completely defeated.

It was a joke, because the image you posted is a joke.   Yes you "can" die from covid after being vaccinated, but it's about ~90% less likely to happen.   Besides, you can still die "from the vaccine" without getting it, if you're a baby inside a pregnant woman's belly that stands near a vaccinated person that is "shedding."  Surely you believe that idiocy too right?

[TimHauck 2,922]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Back to the debacle called Israel.

 

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

[BudBro 183]

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf

From the CDC for the period of March 2020 to March 2021...

4.9M people in the US were hospitalized for every reason.

Of those 4.9M, 540k had covid19.  Of those 540k, 80k died.

Of those 80k, the number of people who died with ZERO co-morbidities was 740. 

740 hospitalized people died solely of covid19 in the year.

With 1 co-morbidity, 2087 people died. 

64.2% of those who died had 6-10+ co-morbidities.

76.5% were age 65+ (including 20.7% over age 85).  If those aged 50+ are included, that number is 95%. 

Top 3 co-morbidities...Obesity (30%), Anxiety and fear disorders (28%), Diabetes with complications (26%).

 

[BudBro 183]

Here is the approval of the Pfizer vaccine...

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

It looks like they approved Comirnaty, then it looks like they just added it to the emergency use authorization.

Please read the doc and see if it looks like an approval or an extension of the eua.

On August 23, 2021, FDA approved the biologics license application (BLA) submitted by
BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH for COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) for active
immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and
older.

On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public
health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in
place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and
uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for
certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA.