Coronavirus - Doomsday

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

@jerryskids

Get the j&j shot?

[TimHauck 2,918]

37 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

tl/dr:  Covid vaccines may be bad for some people; we don't know what we don't know.

I want to provide an example of how the Covid vaccines may have unknown (negative) consequences.  Caveat:  I'm still pro-vaccine and may get the booster, although I'm less sure after this story.  Someone like @TimHauck might be interested in the details.

A few days back @MTSkiBumposted an article which argued that the mRNA vaccines were good for the generation of the T-cells.  In that article was the following:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/07/immune-system-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose.html

Monocytes, huh?  I get tested for them, let me google around and see how they help fight cancer.  Found a study with a meta-analysis (looking at other studies) which showed... umm... there are some good and bad things, and there are more bad than good (from a human perspective; the opposite for cancer).  Here is a summary table if interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6658332/table/jlb10336-tbl-0001/?report=objectonly

The first item in the table, non-small cell lung cancer, is what I have and the impact of monocytes is in the pro-tumor / anti-human column.

So should I get the booster?  What happens with 3 shots, even more monocytes?  Woohoo! (btw mine are tested every infusion, they are on the low end of normal, but my body has a lot happening to its immune system at the moment).

My concern is:  is anyone looking into this?  I'm some shmo on the interwebs and I thought "hmm, monocytes, is that good for cancer"?  Surely there are a lot of other things that should be analyzed as well.  My fear is that to do so would be sorta like doing a climate change study that goes against the climate religious orthodoxy; good luck after you become a pariah in your field and your career is destroyed.

When did you get dose 2?

I’m honestly not really sold on the need for the boosters yet, at least not this soon without more data.  While it’s possible there could be some “waning efficacy” against “infections,” almost everything I’ve seen (including from the U.K. and Israel lod) shows protection against hospitalization and death remains strong.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Reminder, one of the founding members of FLCCC encourages the vaccine -

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/07/21/rise-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-a-nightmare-united-memorial-medical-center-doctor-says/

"highly contagious Delta variant"

[Fireballer 2,643]

JFC...talk about theater.  AUS is a police state.

 

[jerryskids 6,838]

2 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

@jerryskids

Get the j&j shot?

No, Pfizer double shot.

 

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

When did you get dose 2?

I’m honestly not really sold on the need for the boosters yet, at least not this soon without more data.  While it’s possible there could be some “waning efficacy” against “infections,” almost everything I’ve seen (including from the U.K. and Israel lod) shows protection against hospitalization and death remains strong.

First one March, second one April.

[Cdub100 3,932]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Second article was from 4 weeks ago -

Mexico cases higher than they’ve ever been, deaths approaching the same

Guatemala cases almost 3x their prior peak, deaths pretty much at all time high

Argentina hit high in cases and deaths in May, looks like they’ve been using Ivermectin since 2020.

Brazil - hit high in cases and deaths between April-June, looks like been using Ivermectin since at least January.  Remain among the worst countries in the world in deaths/million

Bolivia - hit high in cases and just about in deaths in June

Czech Republic and Slovakia don’t look too bad, but they still had deaths stay pretty high in March/April and looks like in Slovakia at least Ivermectin was approved in January

Portugal also has a high vaccination rate

Nigeria - currently in the middle of a surge in cases and deaths

Egypt - nearly hit high in deaths in May, and looks like have been using Ivermectin since last year.  Egypt of course was also where the fraudulent redacted study took place that had been one of the largest and most cited studies on Ivermectin.

Great evidence there lod!

 

Nobody gives a sh1t about cases. Only the media and politicians do so they can scare and influence people like you.

As for the deaths I'll use a quote people like you like to use, "it would have been far worse with out it." You've said the delta variant is far more contagious so yeah... Lots more people are going to get it and die. Maybe they don't get to the medication fast enough. I dunno, but you wanted proof. And now you dismiss it.

You live up to your name Tim Hack

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, Pfizer double shot.

 

First one March, second one April.

Sorry, I meant that maybe you should look into the j&j shot as your booster.

 

Cvs also offers antibody testing for 30 dollars that takes 10 minutes. You can get checked there before making any decision on a booster.

[jerryskids 6,838]

10 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

Sorry, I meant that maybe you should look into the j&j shot as your booster.

 

Cvs also offers antibody testing for 30 dollars that takes 10 minutes. You can get checked there before making any decision on a booster.

That's a great idea on the CVS/antibody test, thanks.   

[Fireballer 2,643]

For those with their head in the sand about this going to a bad place...well here we are.  Remember the little tidbit a few weeks ago when the the HHS Secretary said it was the business of the government to know who is vaxxed? 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,918]

13 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Nobody gives a sh1t about cases. Only the media and politicians do so they can scare and influence people like you.

As for the deaths I'll use a quote people like you like to use, "it would have been far worse with out it." You've said the delta variant is far more contagious so yeah... Lots more people are going to get it and die. Maybe they don't get to the medication fast enough. I dunno, but you wanted proof. And now you dismiss it.

You live up to your name Tim Hack

Lol.  I agree cases shouldn’t matter, but my point was that many of those places have only recently seen their highest or nearly highest deaths of the entire pandemic.  Meanwhile highly vaccinated countries on the other hand are seeing a high point in cases but not deaths (including the U.K. and even Israel which is still less than half of their prior peak, although I know it’s possible it could continue to increase there).

The US is a bit of mixed bag with the vaccination rate.  Most of the southern states getting hit hard I would not say are “highly vaccinated.”  Florida is the outlier, but it’s likely their vaccination #’s are inflated by snowbirds who don’t live there full time (and who usually aren’t there in the summer) and vaccine tourists from Latin America (yes that’s a real thing).  I wouldn’t go as far as declaring the highly vaccinated NE states as “safe” since I know there is some seasonality involved, but so far in the US the vaccines do definitely look to be maintaining their effectiveness against death and severe disease.

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[lod001 1,344]

17 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Nobody gives a sh1t about cases. Only the media and politicians do so they can scare and influence people like you.

As for the deaths I'll use a quote people like you like to use, "it would have been far worse with out it." You've said the delta variant is far more contagious so yeah... Lots more people are going to get it and die. Maybe they don't get to the medication fast enough. I dunno, but you wanted proof. And now you dismiss it.

You live up to your name Tim Hack

He's tim asshat. Everyone's cases are up because the jabs are miserable failures. He's too stupid to realize you take Ivermectin AFTER you have been diagnosed with Covid 

His level of stupid is unmatched.

 

 

[TimHauck 2,918]

Lod or cdub (or anyone really), can you share the link(s) for what is considered to be the best, or among the best, Ivermectin study/studies?

I’m willing to read some...just not 40

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lod or cdub (or anyone really), can you share the link(s) for what is considered to be the best, or among the best, Ivermectin study/studies?

I’m willing to read some...just not 40

It doesn't work.

 

It was promising because of a meta study that aggregated the 10+ studies however the most promising study was redacted for making up data.

After the Egyptian study was removed the meta studies did not look good.

 

 

There is an anti-depressent that looks promising in initial studies, but who knows.

 

The antibody treatment that trump, abbot, Rudy julliani, etc took is extremely positive. Not sure why the right wing isn't paying that since that is what all of the rich people are taking and what studies show that works. 

[TimHauck 2,918]

22 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lod or cdub (or anyone really), can you share the link(s) for what is considered to be the best, or among the best, Ivermectin study/studies?

I’m willing to read some...just not 40

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[Fireballer 2,643]

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

hussein's education secretary.

[TimHauck 2,918]

41 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

 

ah you follow @BadCovid19Takes too?

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

ah you follow @BadCovid19Takes too?

Yeah. That person was hussein's education secretary. I hear liberals say stuff all the time. Kind of like creepy joe and phony fauci. 

[TimHauck 2,918]

11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Yeah. That person was hussein's education secretary. I hear liberals say stuff all the time. Kind of like creepy joe and phony fauci. 

Ah I had no clue who he was.  Weirdly he had just tweeted this too, which is a little contradictory to that other one...

 

 

[lod001 1,344]

The lies just keep going.  She did not get the blood clot from covid. She got it from the jab. 

 

[TimHauck 2,918]

On 8/28/2021 at 7:28 PM, TimHauck said:

Lod or cdub (or anyone really), can you share the link(s) for what is considered to be the best, or among the best, Ivermectin study/studies?

I’m willing to read some...just not 40

Bump.  I guess lod and cdub really don’t believe in Ivermectin 

[lod001 1,344]

As expected, my prediction that they will roll the jab in with the flu shot in order to get more people jabbed is on now.

[lod001 1,344]

Dead from the Pfizer jab. Confirmed. So in the article they basically say that she doesn't matter. 'its rare, get the jab'. Pathetic. Not that it already wasn't, now it's undeniable that the jabs kill. VAERs has a historical record of 1% of cases reported. 13000 deaths. I believe 600k adverse reactions including boatloads of myocarditis. Do the math. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-zealand-reports-its-first-death-linked-to-pfizer-jab-12394977

[Fireballer 2,643]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Dead from the Pfizer jab. Confirmed. So in the article they basically say that she doesn't matter. 'its rare, get the jab'. Pathetic. Not that it already wasn't, now it's undeniable that the jabs kill. VAERs has a historical record of 1% of cases reported. 13000 deaths. I believe 600k adverse reactions including boatloads of myocarditis. Do the math. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-zealand-reports-its-first-death-linked-to-pfizer-jab-12394977

People will say...get it anyway...you got the polio vaccine didn't you? 

Well, polio was killing like 30% of the people who got it back when the Vax started. 

I ended up doing antibody tests on my 3 teens.  All 3 positive.  I know when 2 of them had it, but was surprised by the 3rd since she had zero symptoms.  At least now, the Vax will not be a consideration for them.

[TimHauck 2,918]

4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

People will say...get it anyway...you got the polio vaccine didn't you? 

Well, polio was killing like 30% of the people who got it back when the Vax started. 

Nope.  Less than 1% I believe.   Risk of paralysis was about 1% in adults and about 0.1% in children.  “The worst polio outbreak in US history” had 58k “cases” and 3k deaths - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_polio

[Cdub100 3,932]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Bump.  I guess lod and cdub really don’t believe in Ivermectin 

I'm not here at your beck and call.

Like all scientific studies, there isn't one best study to use. So your question at the very start is stupid.

A very quick search brought me to this page that rolled up a bunch of studies. Maybe you can start there and cherry-pick whatever information you want to prove your side.

https://ivmmeta.com/#fig_fpp.

Results

Figure 3, 4, and 5 show results by treatment stage. Figure 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 show forest plots for a random effects meta-analysis of all studies with pooled effects, and for studies reporting mortality results, ICU admission, mechanical ventilation, hospitalization, recovery, COVID-19 cases, and viral clearance results only. Figure 14 shows results for peer reviewed trials only and Figure 15 shows results restricted to serious outcomes. Table 1 summarizes the results.

Treatment time	Number of studies reporting positive effects	Total number of studies	Percentage of studies reporting positive effects	Probability of an equal or greater percentage of positive results from an ineffective treatment	Random effects meta-analysis results
Early treatment	24	27	88.9%	1 in 41 thousand	72% improvement RR 0.28 [0.18‑0.45] p < 0.0001
Late treatment	20	22	90.9%	1 in 17 thousand	40% improvement RR 0.60 [0.48‑0.76] p < 0.0001
Prophylaxis	14	14	100%	1 in 16 thousand	86% improvement RR 0.14 [0.08‑0.25] p < 0.0001
All studies	58	63	92.1%	1 in 1 trillion	68% improvement RR 0.32 [0.25‑0.40] p < 0.0001

[Fireballer 2,643]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

  “The worst polio outbreak in US history” had 58k “cases” and 3k deaths - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_polio

Except for the 1916 epidemic that killed 6k people of 27000 cases.  JFC...from your own link.  

[TimHauck 2,918]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Dead from the Pfizer jab. Confirmed. So in the article they basically say that she doesn't matter. 'its rare, get the jab'. Pathetic. Not that it already wasn't, now it's undeniable that the jabs kill. VAERs has a historical record of 1% of cases reported. 13000 deaths. I believe 600k adverse reactions including boatloads of myocarditis. Do the math. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-zealand-reports-its-first-death-linked-to-pfizer-jab-12394977

so you're saying you think 1.3 million people have died from the vaccine in the US?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

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Another lesson learned about the "factcheckers" (all of which seem to be funded by/"partnered" with facebook) is that they will never admit that they got anything wrong, and will never correct their own mistakes. They just leave up their dreck forever as troll food.

Don't have twitter, but saw this.  Remind anyone of anyone.  

[lod001 1,344]

4 hours ago, Fireballer said:

People will say...get it anyway...you got the polio vaccine didn't you? 

Well, polio was killing like 30% of the people who got it back when the Vax started. 

I ended up doing antibody tests on my 3 teens.  All 3 positive.  I know when 2 of them had it, but was surprised by the 3rd since she had zero symptoms.  At least now, the Vax will not be a consideration for them.

Yeah, there are millions of people out there who have had it and didn't know it. Probably 100 million. My dad at 94 and my brother are 2 of them. They have the antibodies. Pretty sure I as well. Genetically I am the same. I already know that genetics plays a huge role in how covid affects you. One just has to look at the mexican family it wiped out back in early 2020 down in TX

Now there are treatments, as we know. HCQ, IVM. Here's a new one but the CDC and FDA don't want that. They want to push their failures on the population.

 https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-governments-dark-and-senseless-war-on-all-early-treatments

[lod001 1,344]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Bump.  I guess lod and cdub really don’t believe in Ivermectin 

Why would I waste time with you? You've lost the argument (the jab is a colossal failure) and you will just try and find a word in any article that you can spin negatively. I have a batch of IVM in my cabinet even though I'm pretty sure I won't need it based on my genetics.

[lod001 1,344]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

so you're saying you think 1.3 million people have died from the vaccine in the US?

Going by the history of VAERS reporting, you figure it out.

Now it is possible that more reports are coming in on these failed jabs than the historical norm for vaccines (which this of course is not). But it is FACT that these jabs are creating more adverse reactions than all vaccines in the last 20 years COMBINED.

Know this. All these toxic jabs kill. that's a fact.

Really not sure why i bother with you. https://c19ivermectin.com/  I know you're incapable of finding the info yourself.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Bump.  I guess lod and cdub really don’t believe in Ivermectin 

That medicine is made for humans and horses.  There are a lot of medicines that are made for humans an animals.  About the only difference is the dosage of it.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

  Activist idiot judge.

Judge reverses order that had barred unvaccinated mother from seeing son - Chicago Sun-Times (suntimes.com)

[TimHauck 2,918]

4 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Don't have twitter, but saw this.  Remind anyone of anyone.  

you?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

you?

  botcuck, the guy described you to a tee.  What we have all been describing. He probably has a copy of your training manual.  

[TimHauck 2,918]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

  botcuck, the guy described you to a tee.  What we have all been describing. He probably has a copy of your training manual.  

you can't even do 1st grade math dude

[Fireballer 2,643]

41 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

  Activist idiot judge.

Judge reverses order that had barred unvaccinated mother from seeing son - Chicago Sun-Times (suntimes.com)

That was a can of worms that didn't need opening.  There was nothing special about it being a joint custody issue that made him take parental rights away. I mean, it was based on the kids safety,, right? If that's the case, how endangered are kids with unvaxxed, married parents? It would have literally caused wide spread violence.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

you can't even do 1st grade math dude

  An insult coming from a complete liar.  Forgive me if I don't cry.