Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, phillybear said:

I've definitely been doing a number of shopping trips this week, in anticipation of the Philly mask mandate being installed again, despite a huge public outcry and pushback. They are doubling down. 

I swear, I got non perishable pantry items tucked into every nook and cranny in this homestead. Hey, inflation and food chain issues, and this city is focking stupit. Not to mention maybe 50 handles of booze, as I can't trust they keep the liquor stores open. 

I'm going to have to keep a running list. I'm not wearing a focking mask. I'll punch an old lady in the face. Even if she doesn't complain about no mask. But I don't know which stores will be cool with no masks, and which will be liberal cuntos. I'm hoping the liquor stores will be cool. Or things will burn. 

mdc will wear a mask and do as he's told. 

[Cdub100 3,936]

Is this thing still going on?

[NorthernVike 2,087]

49 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Is this thing still going on?

Nope

[Cdub100 3,936]

1 minute ago, NorthernVike said:

Nope

I didn't think so, but some places just won't give it up.

[Flipper 61]

It seems there is a new variant being reported by the 'media' and the gUvErMeNt is keeping the emergency in place.  What does this emergency power permit them to do (i.e., ignore)?

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

I didn't think so, but some places just won't give it up.

It's incredibly stupid in the parts of China that get a single case.... which isn't here. Those other communities suffer so we don't have to. Life goes on as if nothing has happened. Thanks, I guess. But our house is like phillybear's. We have greatly increased the number of non-perishable foods. Ironically, during the initial lockdowns that we went through locally in February/March 2020, there was never any shortages in the stores. One day, I thought their was empty shelves had me temporarily panic. They said it was because their driver didn't arrive; I felt a lot better when I found that I could still get perishable foods down the street.

So... no Covid here but Shanghai and the other 22 cities have us on notice not to trust the CCP for food distribution if Covid ever returns. This Omicron variant is pretty weak and not worth the effort and panic but the CCP still treats Covid like the original variant that kicked Wuhan's ass 2+ years ago and still has the same protocols in place to handle it.... now with better protective gear, detecting devices, treatment plans, and mild/ineffective homegrown vaccines.

[TimHauck 2,935]

Reminds me of the GC -

 

 

[MLCKAA 577]

Lets talk about norovirus

[Baker Boy 1,704]

Furious liberals revolt after Trump appointed judge lifts mask mandate: 'Idiot airline'
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pissed-liberals-revolt-after-trump-appointed-judge-lifts-mask-mandate
 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Furious liberals revolt after Trump appointed judge lifts mask mandate: 'Idiot airline'
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pissed-liberals-revolt-after-trump-appointed-judge-lifts-mask-mandate
 

 

This news pissed me off.  I just got back from Houston yesterday and now they lift it.  Spent all day Thursday and Monday in airports, on planes and in Ubers wearing a stupid mask.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Furious liberals revolt after Trump appointed judge lifts mask mandate: 'Idiot airline'
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pissed-liberals-revolt-after-trump-appointed-judge-lifts-mask-mandate
 

 

Whatever happened to, "if you don't like, don't fly!"?     

[MTSkiBum 1,623]

On 4/14/2022 at 9:42 PM, Voltaire said:

It's incredibly stupid in the parts of China that get a single case.... which isn't here. Those other communities suffer so we don't have to. Life goes on as if nothing has happened. Thanks, I guess. But our house is like phillybear's. We have greatly increased the number of non-perishable foods. Ironically, during the initial lockdowns that we went through locally in February/March 2020, there was never any shortages in the stores. One day, I thought their was empty shelves had me temporarily panic. They said it was because their driver didn't arrive; I felt a lot better when I found that I could still get perishable foods down the street.

So... no Covid here but Shanghai and the other 22 cities have us on notice not to trust the CCP for food distribution if Covid ever returns. This Omicron variant is pretty weak and not worth the effort and panic but the CCP still treats Covid like the original variant that kicked Wuhan's ass 2+ years ago and still has the same protocols in place to handle it.... now with better protective gear, detecting devices, treatment plans, and mild/ineffective homegrown vaccines.

 

There are many people that think that China is doing a massive coverup. Below is one article comparing how many people died in recent years verse past years to determine excess mortality. The chinese government does not have Covid contained and are doing everything for show.

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=5c1005ab4352

China is another story. Its official statistics understate the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% (according to The Economist’s model). 

In fact, based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/05/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-2/?sh=1e001cb273b8

[nobody 2,696]

58 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Furious liberals revolt after Trump appointed judge lifts mask mandate: 'Idiot airline'
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pissed-liberals-revolt-after-trump-appointed-judge-lifts-mask-mandate
 

 

A Progressive democrat for you.  This chick is an elected official and doesn't understand 6th grade civics.

 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

19 minutes ago, nobody said:

A Progressive democrat for you.  This chick is an elected official and doesn't understand 6th grade civics.

A dum dum, probably a school teacher.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

7 Ways To Cope Now That You Can't Force People Around You To Wear Masks
 

1. Close your eyes and imagine everyone is wearing a full hazmat suit. - It's a neat little trick that actually works.

2. Scream at the sky. - This is a well-known coping mechanism. It works especially well if you record your scream onto your TikTok account.

3. Play The Sims 4 and manage other people's lives like you're an all-powerful god to your heart's content. - Now you can drown people by surrounding their swimming pools with an impenetrable wall of potted plants. You're in charge here!

4. Upgrade to 3 or 4 masks, or just roll around in a giant hamster ball. - Keep upping the number of masks you wear, but if that's not enough, go the hamster ball route.

5. Get your pilot's license and start your own airline. - aIrLiNeS aRe PrIvAtE cOmPaNiEs ThEy CaN dO wHaT tHeY wAnT!

6. Just remember, we're all in this together. - It's just for a little while. It's a small sacrifice to make. If it saves one toddler from a speech impediment it's all worth it.

7. Never go outside again. - Curl up in a ball and live out the rest of your days in the corner of your home, completely safe from COVID.

https://babylonbee.com/news/7-ways-to-cope-now-that-you-cant-force-people-around-you-to-wear-masks

[Voltaire 5,322]

4 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

There are many people that think that China is doing a massive coverup. Below is one article comparing how many people died in recent years verse past years to determine excess mortality. The chinese government does not have Covid contained and are doing everything for show.

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=5c1005ab4352

China is another story. Its official statistics understate the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% (according to The Economist’s model). 

In fact, based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/05/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-2/?sh=1e001cb273b8

This is all made up, self-flagellating baloney. To anyone that knows China, it exudes a laughably remarkable level of misunderstanding. It's written by some statistician in an office in the US who doesn't know fock all about this country.

First, regarding the lockdown, I went into great detail early in this thread about the lengths that China went to to seal off the country locally, which is 10000x more stringent/restrictive than Gavin Newsom's California. It's not just aggregate statistics, there's no privacy with Covid, every single person who gets Covid in China is identified and their entire community knows who they are, where they live. Avoiding them is easy since the government does it for them, they are totally quarantined off. Further, people who were simply in contact with them are placed under home lockdown - with enforced surveillance. Again, not Covid cases... they just got on the bus at the wrong time and rode with somebody who tested positive for 20 minutes. They get a retiree on a mat with a sleeping bag to camped outside the door to their home to make sure they don't leave. The rest of us could go to the store (with no shortages at all in Panzhihua February 2020. Shanghai in April 2022 is different.) and go home and that was pretty much it. It's entirely plausible that they were effective and every day of my life living in China since then speaks to me that they were. Things returned to normal within two months and have stayed that way ever since, with mask mandates on public transportation.

 Second, he's transparently ignorant of what's possible and not possible for the censors to cover up on Chinese social media.  The Chinese government control of social media lockdown isn't nearly as complete as implied. The author has laughably no clue. Things filter through all the time before the fire extinguishers come out. And even at it's censorial worst, there's still a certain level of things you can get away with saying. An ongoing crisis like this can/ does/ is currently breaking their censorship controls on social media.  The near complete lack of Covid stories on Chinese social media in 2021 indicates there was no outbreak last year. The few cases that did develop were not censored and were talked about extensively. By contrast, Wuhan in early 2020 and Xian earlier this year and Shanghai (and others) right now as I type this, totally are flooding the Chinese internet way, way, way faster than the censors could possibly hope to control the information. Its impossible such a cover up would be possible with Chinese social media. There simply aren't enough censors. So it's also entirely believable that there weren't Covid stories in 2021 because people would have posted about it. That there were no fires being put out speaks to it being fact.

The author starts with a kernel of truth. We all know China lies about things all the time. They lie about how Covid started and they lie about Wuhan death totals. So when the Chinese have something to actually crow about, like their success (post Jan 22, 2020, since before was a flaming disaster) in handling Covid, nobody can or should believe them because they don't have a track record of believability. The writer clearly doesn't believe them, and I don't fault him for that. It makes no sense to him, sitting in his US office, judging by the US and the rest of the world's Covid response, that China could be successful. But he's simply flat wrong. His lack of understanding of China, the extensivness of Chinese lockdowns and how Chinese social media works/doesn't work that it exudes out of his pores.

China has got got 5% of the country on lockdown right now in harsh conditions and their stories flood the Chinese internet. The other 95% of China is leading normal lives as we have since May 2020. That's the truth of the situation. Trust me. This article is nonsense.

[MTSkiBum 1,623]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This is all made up, self-flagellating baloney. To anyone that knows China, it exudes a laughably remarkable level of misunderstanding. It's written by some statistician in an office in the US who doesn't know fock all about this country.

First, regarding the lockdown, I went into great detail early in this thread about the lengths that China went to to seal off the country locally, which is 10000x more stringent/restrictive than Gavin Newsom's California. It's not just aggregate statistics, there's no privacy with Covid, every single person who gets Covid in China is identified and their entire community knows who they are, where they live. Avoiding them is easy since the government does it for them, they are totally quarantined off. Further, people who were simply in contact with them are placed under home lockdown - with enforced surveillance. Again, not Covid cases... they just got on the bus at the wrong time and rode with somebody who tested positive for 20 minutes. They get a retiree on a mat with a sleeping bag to camped outside the door to their home to make sure they don't leave. The rest of us could go to the store (with no shortages at all in Panzhihua February 2020. Shanghai in April 2022 is different.) and go home and that was pretty much it. It's entirely plausible that they were effective and every day of my life living in China since then speaks to me that they were. Things returned to normal within two months and have stayed that way ever since, with mask mandates on public transportation.

 Second, he's transparently ignorant of what's possible and not possible for the censors to cover up on Chinese social media.  The Chinese government control of social media lockdown isn't nearly as complete as implied. The author has laughably no clue. Things filter through all the time before the fire extinguishers come out. And even at it's censorial worst, there's still a certain level of things you can get away with saying. An ongoing crisis like this can/ does/ is currently breaking their censorship controls on social media.  The near complete lack of Covid stories on Chinese social media in 2021 indicates there was no outbreak last year. The few cases that did develop were not censored and were talked about extensively. By contrast, Wuhan in early 2020 and Xian earlier this year and Shanghai (and others) right now as I type this, totally are flooding the Chinese internet way, way, way faster than the censors could possibly hope to control the information. Its impossible such a cover up would be possible with Chinese social media. There simply aren't enough censors. So it's also entirely believable that there weren't Covid stories in 2021 because people would have posted about it. That there were no fires being put out speaks to it being fact.

The author starts with a kernel of truth. We all know China lies about things all the time. They lie about how Covid started and they lie about Wuhan death totals. So when the Chinese have something to actually crow about, like their success (post Jan 22, 2020, since before was a flaming disaster) in handling Covid, nobody can or should believe them because they don't have a track record of believability. The writer clearly doesn't believe them, and I don't fault him for that. It makes no sense to him, sitting in his US office, judging by the US and the rest of the world's Covid response, that China could be successful. But he's simply flat wrong. His lack of understanding of China, the extensivness of Chinese lockdowns and how Chinese social media works/doesn't work that it exudes out of his pores.

China has got got 5% of the country on lockdown right now in harsh conditions and their stories flood the Chinese internet. The other 95% of China is leading normal lives as we have since May 2020. That's the truth of the situation. Trust me. This article is nonsense.

Maybe.

I understand both sides of the story and have not yet made up my mind. It may even take a few years to decide what I actually believe, but it is evidence nonetheless.

[Voltaire 5,322]

37 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Maybe.

I understand both sides of the story and have not yet made up my mind. It may even take a few years to decide what I actually believe, but it is evidence nonetheless.

 

I'm dealing with Gell-Mann amnesia in its purest form here. There are no "both sides". There's everybody that has spent any time in China vs. the opinion of some statistician that's clearly never been here.

• China can -and did- lockdown like no other place on the planet.
• The entire country ran normally all of last year.
• China's internet censorship is not sealed tight. Shanghai stories are boiling over spilling everywhere as did Xi'an and Henan before it are proof of that as are so many other stories. China did have Covid cases in 2021 and the discussions weren't censored. The reason the stories didn't spill over in 2021 because there were no stories that warranted it.

Their lockdown actually was effective. Yes they're full of sh*t all the time, including and especially early Covid, but they aren't being full of sh*t on this. Likewise the MSM, who are also known to lie and spin constantly aren't lying about this either. China's Covid Zero plan worked all of last year. That it's straining now is because super-contagious Omicron showed up.

[MTSkiBum 1,623]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

I'm dealing with Gell-Mann amnesia in its purest form here. There are no "both sides". There's everybody that has spent any time in China vs. the opinion of some statistician that's clearly never been here.

• China can -and did- lockdown like no other place on the planet.
• The entire country ran normally all of last year.
• China's internet censorship is not sealed tight. Shanghai stories are boiling over spilling everywhere as did Xi'an and Henan before it are proof of that as are so many other stories. China did have Covid cases in 2021 and the discussions weren't censored. The reason the stories didn't spill over in 2021 because there were no stories that warranted it.

Their lockdown actually was effective. Yes they're full of sh*t all the time, including and especially early Covid, but they aren't being full of on this. Likewise the MSM, who are also known to lie and spin constantly aren't lying about this either. China's Covid Zero plan worked all of last year. That it's straining now is because super-contagious Omicron showed up.

 

I fully admit I have no additional proof, but still it will take me a few years to reach a conclusion. I do not think you provide a strong enough defense of the chinese government.

 

You may be proven right and I hope that your memory is good enough to bump this post in a few years if that is the case.

[Voltaire 5,322]

8 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I fully admit I have no additional proof, but still it will take me a few years to reach a conclusion. I do not think you provide a strong enough defense of the chinese government.

 

You may be proven right and I hope that your memory is good enough to bump this post in a few years if that is the case.

I'm not in the habit of defending China. Mostly I b*tch about them, especially lately. The three things I do give them high marks for is their post January 22, 2020 Covid response, their handling of LGBTQ issues, and personal safety/lack of street crime. (There may be more, they have a cool history but the CCP adds only bad things to it).

[TimHauck 2,935]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This is all made up, self-flagellating baloney. To anyone that knows China, it exudes a laughably remarkable level of misunderstanding. It's written by some statistician in an office in the US who doesn't know fock all about this country.

First, regarding the lockdown, I went into great detail early in this thread about the lengths that China went to to seal off the country locally, which is 10000x more stringent/restrictive than Gavin Newsom's California. It's not just aggregate statistics, there's no privacy with Covid, every single person who gets Covid in China is identified and their entire community knows who they are, where they live. Avoiding them is easy since the government does it for them, they are totally quarantined off. Further, people who were simply in contact with them are placed under home lockdown - with enforced surveillance. Again, not Covid cases... they just got on the bus at the wrong time and rode with somebody who tested positive for 20 minutes. They get a retiree on a mat with a sleeping bag to camped outside the door to their home to make sure they don't leave. The rest of us could go to the store (with no shortages at all in Panzhihua February 2020. Shanghai in April 2022 is different.) and go home and that was pretty much it. It's entirely plausible that they were effective and every day of my life living in China since then speaks to me that they were. Things returned to normal within two months and have stayed that way ever since, with mask mandates on public transportation.

 Second, he's transparently ignorant of what's possible and not possible for the censors to cover up on Chinese social media.  The Chinese government control of social media lockdown isn't nearly as complete as implied. The author has laughably no clue. Things filter through all the time before the fire extinguishers come out. And even at it's censorial worst, there's still a certain level of things you can get away with saying. An ongoing crisis like this can/ does/ is currently breaking their censorship controls on social media.  The near complete lack of Covid stories on Chinese social media in 2021 indicates there was no outbreak last year. The few cases that did develop were not censored and were talked about extensively. By contrast, Wuhan in early 2020 and Xian earlier this year and Shanghai (and others) right now as I type this, totally are flooding the Chinese internet way, way, way faster than the censors could possibly hope to control the information. Its impossible such a cover up would be possible with Chinese social media. There simply aren't enough censors. So it's also entirely believable that there weren't Covid stories in 2021 because people would have posted about it. That there were no fires being put out speaks to it being fact.

The author starts with a kernel of truth. We all know China lies about things all the time. They lie about how Covid started and they lie about Wuhan death totals. So when the Chinese have something to actually crow about, like their success (post Jan 22, 2020, since before was a flaming disaster) in handling Covid, nobody can or should believe them because they don't have a track record of believability. The writer clearly doesn't believe them, and I don't fault him for that. It makes no sense to him, sitting in his US office, judging by the US and the rest of the world's Covid response, that China could be successful. But he's simply flat wrong. His lack of understanding of China, the extensivness of Chinese lockdowns and how Chinese social media works/doesn't work that it exudes out of his pores.

China has got got 5% of the country on lockdown right now in harsh conditions and their stories flood the Chinese internet. The other 95% of China is leading normal lives as we have since May 2020. That's the truth of the situation. Trust me. This article is nonsense.

I think I can see their stats from about May 2020 til now being pretty close to accurate.  But as you admit, their numbers through that time are not.  Do you think it was just Wuhan underreporting in the beginning, or do you think Covid did also spread to other areas early on?

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Fock China 

[Voltaire 5,322]

56 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think I can see their stats from about May 2020 til now being pretty close to accurate.  But as you admit, their numbers through that time are not.  Do you think it was just Wuhan underreporting in the beginning, or do you think Covid did also spread to other areas early on?

Well, it came here. We knew the name and story of every local COVID case here in Panzhihua in February 2020. 16 people ... 15 of them connected to one family. A superspreading university student had came back from Wuhan, avoided reporting to the police, and just got on with her life, hanging out with friends, eating out, and galivanting around the new local mall. I don't know, but I presume every community would have been reporting accurate numbers. In totalitarian systems, you handle things locally, cover up problems, and tell your boss what he wants to hear- which is how Wuhan handled it originally. The Russian Army apparently too. But when the Big bosses are alert to something and know what questions to ask, the reports become more accurate. Likely all of China knows the identity of whoever their local Covid cases are.

More directly to your question... for months early, I checked in daily for updates and was treating the non-Wuhan information coming in for the rest of China as being accurate.

The numbers in Wuhan were way underreported. Whatever's happened in Xi'an and Shanghai and the other (up to 44 last I checked) cities, I wouldn't know. In Xi'an there were stupid stories, that made and caused an outrage on Chinese social media, about people being refused admission to a hospital for not having proper Covid paperwork. One suffered chest pains and died of a heart attack, a pregnant woman lost her baby. Omicron is notably mild but that doesn't seem to register with the CCP who still treat it like the original strain that kicked Wuhan's ass. I mean I wouldn't want to get it, it knocks out your ability to taste and smell for a few weeks, but compared to the other strands, it stays out of your lungs and you eventually recover. I have a feeling the overreaction 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Their numbers are lies but I can't believe they are that bad. Few obese. Few diabetic. Less heart disease. No throwing sick people in old folks homes. No denial of potentially life saving drugs.  Plus they invented the thing, they probably had a vaccine ready to go.

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

Their numbers are lies but I can't believe they are that bad. Few obese. Few diabetic. Less heart disease. No throwing sick people in old folks homes. No denial of potentially life saving drugs.  Plus they invented the thing, they probably had a vaccine ready to go.

The Chinese were caught offguard. They were desperate for PPE initially and the vaccines were slowish to roll out. They came around the same time as the US around New Year's 2021 but aren't known to be terribly effective. That said, there are less side effects too, presumably since they used more conventional methods to develop them rather than MRNA.

There are two vaccine companies and you don't get two of the same kind, you get one plus the other.

[phillybear 366]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:53 PM, phillybear said:

Philadelphia has decided to become the only city in America to bring back the mask mandates as of 4/18/22. There are 40 people in hospitals around this city of 1.5 million people with the Chinese Virus, and they are bringing back masks, 5 weeks after lifting the masks. 

My section of the city, Far Northeast Philadelphia, was pretty much ignoring the mask mandates for months before it was removed. I will fist fight anyone that tells me to mask up. Not. Gonna. Happen. I'm curious to see how many new Republican voters will be created from this ludicrous mandate. Might not shift power in Philly, but Pennsylvania is a purple state. 

Took a few days off past the date to get as angry as possible, and let the battle dust settle as to mandatory masks. 

Today, went to a pharmacy, 2 liquor stores, post office, maskless....and no problem. Relieved by liquor stores lack of giving a shiot.

Tomorrow, it's time to test the grocery stores. Sure, I'll hit the one out of town first, just in case, but let's see what happens next with the Philly businesses. 

Sadly, almost everybody other than me was wearing a mask inside these establishments. And I was ready to fight them with even the most innocent sideways glance. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, phillybear said:

Sadly, almost everybody other than me was wearing a mask inside these establishments. And I was ready to fight them with even the most innocent sideways glance. 

To them, you may as well be the baddest He11's Angel on the planet.   These are scared people. 

[TimHauck 2,935]

Working paper: Using Donald Trump's vaccine endorsement resulted in increased vaccine uptake at less than $1 per person:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w29896

 

 

[TimHauck 2,935]

18 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Working paper: Using Donald Trump's vaccine endorsement resulted in increased vaccine uptake at less than $1 per person:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w29896

 

 

what no comments from the GC about people listening to Trump's suggestion to get vaccinated?

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

what no comments from the GC about people listening to Trump's suggestion to get vaccinated?

What are you going on about now? Who doesn't know that Trump pushed the vaccine?

[Baker Boy 1,704]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

what no comments from the GC about people listening to Trump's suggestion to get vaccinated?

It was a suggestion not a mandate! Do you know the difference? Trump has backed the vaccine from day one.

[TimHauck 2,935]

11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

What are you going on about now? Who doesn't know that Trump pushed the vaccine?

I believe there were discussions in here claiming vax-hesitant people wouldn't listen to others' recommendations to get vaccinated.  But they listened to Trump apparently.  (And yes, I knew he backed the vaccine.  But looks like we should have used him in more commercials).

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I believe there were discussions in here claiming vax-hesitant people wouldn't listen to others' recommendations to get vaccinated.  But they listened to Trump apparently.  (And yes, I knew he backed the vaccine.  But looks like we should have used him in more commercials).

A lot of people don't want the vaccine no matter who they voted for. And a lot of people welcomed it. 

Trump was a great president, that's for sure. 

[TimHauck 2,935]

speaking of people who should have listened to Trump:

 

 

[Gladiators 1,995]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

speaking of people who should have listened to Trump:

 

 

Is he not allowed to be there because he's unvaccinated or did he just decide not to go?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

what no comments from the GC about people listening to Trump's suggestion to get vaccinated?

Look 300 pages back (maybe more) and you'll see how we applauded it when the lib liars club stated he was calling covid a hoax. 

[TimHauck 2,935]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Look 300 pages back (maybe more) and you'll see how we applauded it when the lib liars club stated he was calling covid a hoax. 

I can't remember if he used the word hoax.  But he did say multiple times that "it would disappear"

[Reality 3,121]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

speaking of people who should have listened to Trump:

 

 

Why, is he dead?

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Why, is he dead?

He's watching from from above? 

[Gladiators 1,995]

Remember when Biden said he would end this?  What is he waiting for?