Man dies after encounter with Minneapolis Police

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Everything the legal authorities are doing right now is bad for these cops. Remember there are four they want, not just the killer. The riots are good for these cops. It’s clear as day if you have any notion of how these things work. 

[12th Man 884]

4 hours ago, The Observer said:

Minority CNN reporter Omar Jimenez and his camera crew were arrested this morning on the streets of Mineapolis. Not sure why. That's right, a news reporter of color was arrested before the cop who murdered the black guy was. Let that sink in

You poor bastard.  You really believe anything. Media have press passes that are presented to the authorities. This was staged to throw more gas on the fire and morons like you eat it up. 

[12th Man 884]

3 hours ago, The Observer said:

Cops are murdering black men right in the streets. Buildings are burning and this is what the state police deem to be important. Arresting a camera crew with a black reporter.

 

Tell me again this isn't a staged event:

 

 

[The Observer 641]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I just dont get it...how can you read some of the responses here, and still be have such an emotional stance on this?  Ive asked that you provide a specific MN code that this meets, and its crickets.  Youre  best assertion was because the white guys in GA were charged with murder. Maybe its murder, maybe its not.  You have zero knowledge, skills, or abilities to say "it was murder the first time anyone saw the video".  I feel like Im reading posts from the crazy Central Park Lady.

Then don't read them, asswhole. Do you think I care?  The entire country witnessed a murder. Broad daylight. Complete with the victim telling the murderer he was dying.  You can talk all the bullsh1t mumble-jumble you like. There's still a murderer running around as a free man while the black guy is being put in the ground.   And maybe it's murder, maybe it's not?  I've asked a dozen times so I may as well make it a dozen plus one, under what condition is kneeling on someone's neck so long that he stops getting oxygen to the brain and dies not a murder? 

[12th Man 884]

4 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Then don't read them, asswhole. Do you think I care?

 Called on your BS and this how you respond. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Then don't read them, asswhole. Do you think I care?  The entire country witnessed a murder. Broad daylight. Complete with the victim telling the murderer he was dying.  You can talk all the bullsh1t mumble-jumble you like. There's still a murderer running around as a free man while the black guy is being put in the ground.   And maybe it's murder, maybe it's not?  I've asked a dozen times so I may as well make it a dozen plus one, under what condition is kneeling on someone's neck so long that he stops getting oxygen to the brain and dies not a murder? 

The cop killed him. The proper charge or additional charges has to be sorted through. But you know better? Do you just want him to be charged with murder, or the correct charge that will end in a conviction? And do you have any interest in the additional charges ? Because that’s going to take a little sorting through. Murder/ manslaughter is easy. It’s the other ones that are being looked at. Plus the other cops. Go grab a thigh or something and calm down and know people way smarter than you are assuring you get what you want and then some. 

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The cop killed him. The proper charge or additional charges has to be sorted through. But you know better. Do you just want him to be charged with murder, or the correct charge that will end in a conviction? And do you have any interest in the additional charges ? Because that’s going to take a little sorting through. Murder/ manslaughter is easy. It’s the other ones that are being looked at. Plus the other cops. Go grab a thigh or something and calm down and know people way smarter than you are assuring you get what you want and then some. 

Well they can dilly dally around as long as they want.  Just don't want to hear any complaining about the protesting. 

[Big Blue 06 196]

Glad I got my thoughts in this thread before Newbie went full retard.

Question to Newbie: wouldn’t you rather then wait to make sure they charge these guys right than just arrest them to make a point?  Obviously, sure looks like the cop killed this poor guy.  However, I think it would be very difficult to convict on Murder 1 here.  I believe (and could be wrong) that you need to have premeditation for murder 1.

Personally, I would rather the authorities take a couple of days to examine everything and charge these guys with something that maybe they can convict, like Murder 2 or even Manslaughter.

If they go the easy route and charge these guys with Murder 1 and they aren’t convicted, that whole city will burn.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, The Observer said:

Well they can dilly dally around as long as they want.  Just don't want to hear any complaining about the protesting. 

 No one is complaining about the protesting. They aren’t taking a knee. It’s The fires and violence that people are complaining about. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

4 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Then don't read them, asswhole. Do you think I care?  The entire country witnessed a murder. Broad daylight. Complete with the victim telling the murderer he was dying.  You can talk all the bullsh1t mumble-jumble you like. There's still a murderer running around as a free man while the black guy is being put in the ground.   And maybe it's murder, maybe it's not?  I've asked a dozen times so I may as well make it a dozen plus one, under what condition is kneeling on someone's neck so long that he stops getting oxygen to the brain and dies not a murder? 

OMG You broke my GI JOE!  The legal system is mumble-jumble. You mix up your Dbol vial with Estrogen again?  You got p!ssy the other day when someone referred to you as 'she' .  This post is the epitome of why that was a spot on assessment.  You have virtually zero ability to apply logical analysis.  Sad.

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Big Blue 06 said:

Glad I got my thoughts in this thread before Newbie went full retard.

Question to Newbie: wouldn’t you rather then wait to make sure they charge these guys right than just arrest them to make a point?  Obviously, sure looks like the cop killed this poor guy.  However, I think it would be very difficult to convict on Murder 1 here.  I believe (and could be wrong) that you need to have premeditation for murder 1.

Personally, I would rather the authorities take a couple of days to examine everything and charge these guys with something that maybe they can convict, like Murder 2 or even Manslaughter.

If they go the easy route and charge these guys with Murder 1 and they aren’t convicted, that whole city will burn.

I have no problem with murder 2 or whatever they feel is the most he can be charged with and convicted.  Just don't see how it takes 3 days to make the decision. Like I said, there's no new evidence. It's right there before your eyes. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 No one is complaining about the protesting. They aren’t taking a knee. It’s The fires and violence that people are complaining about. 

I am not sure that some people know the difference between the two. That is sort of a big problem in my opinion.

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Fireballer said:

OMG You broke my GI JOE!  The legal system is mumble-jumble. You mix up your Dbol vial with Estrogen again?  You got p!ssy the other day when someone referred to you as 'she' .  This post is the epitome of why that was a spot on assessment.  You have virtually zero ability to apply logical analysis.  Sad.

LOL  Yeah, I got pissy.  I believe my words were "Wow, how clever.  You called me a she"   Boy, my blood was boiling.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

I have no problem with murder 2 or whatever they feel is the most he can be charged with and convicted.  Just don't see how it takes 3 days to make the decision. Like I said, there's no new evidence. It's right there before your eyes. 

How do you know there’s no new evidence? We just found out the victim and the cop worked security together. Jesus Christ man 

[12th Man 884]

5 minutes ago, Big Blue 06 said:

Glad I got my thoughts in this thread before Newbie went full retard.

Question to Newbie: wouldn’t you rather then wait to make sure they charge these guys right than just arrest them to make a point?  Obviously, sure looks like the cop killed this poor guy.  However, I think it would be very difficult to convict on Murder 1 here.  I believe (and could be wrong) that you need to have premeditation for murder 1.

Personally, I would rather the authorities take a couple of days to examine everything and charge these guys with something that maybe they can convict, like Murder 2 or even Manslaughter.

If they go the easy route and charge these guys with Murder 1 and they aren’t convicted, that whole city will burn.

Newbie is the new Sho Nuff. Full retard. 

[12th Man 884]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How do you know there’s no new evidence? We just found out the victim and the cop worked security together. Jesus Christ man 

The MSM told him. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

4 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I am not sure that some people know the difference between the two. That is sort of a big problem in my opinion.

The left wing media keeps calling them protesters. It’s way beyond that.  But hey, when you have an agenda, you gotta stick to it. 

[FeelingMN 273]

6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Then don't read them, asswhole. Do you think I care?  The entire country witnessed a murder. Broad daylight. Complete with the victim telling the murderer he was dying.  You can talk all the bullsh1t mumble-jumble you like. There's still a murderer running around as a free man while the black guy is being put in the ground.   And maybe it's murder, maybe it's not?  I've asked a dozen times so I may as well make it a dozen plus one, under what condition is kneeling on someone's neck so long that he stops getting oxygen to the brain and dies not a murder? 

I haven't read every post in this thread but I've tried my best to keep an eye on what's being said.  As far as I can tell no one is arguing this is not a murder.  Others are arguing that every T has to be crossed.  Every I dotted when you charge these cops.  By doing that you ensure justice is served.  Which I agree with.  Watching your city being destroyed is absolutely disheartening.  It is a horrible thing to witness.  So I want this resolved ASAP.  But I want it done right.  It's exactly what HT and Fireballer and others are saying.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, FeelingMN said:

I haven't read every post in this thread but I've tried my best to keep an eye on what's being said.  As far as I can tell no one is arguing this is not a murder.  Others are arguing that every T has to be crossed.  Every I dotted when you charge these cops.  By doing that you ensure justice is served.  Which I agree with.  Watching your city being destroyed is absolutely disheartening.  It is a horrible thing to witness.  So I want this resolved ASAP.  But I want it done right.  It's exactly what HT and Fireballer and others are saying.

Let me ask, is it better for the cops if they can get a change of venue out of Minneapolis to a different part of the state? I’m pretty sure it is. 

[The Observer 641]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How do you know there’s no new evidence? We just found out the victim and the cop worked security together. Jesus Christ man 

And?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, The Observer said:

And?  

Well, if there’s pre-mediation then there is cause for a higher charge. And how about the other cops? Do you think the charges against them are so cut and dry? Maybe there is more video than what we have seen? I’m sure you factored all these things in when you came to your rational,  emotionless conclusion. 

[12th Man 884]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, if there’s pre-mediation then there is cause for a higher charge. And how about the other cops? Do you think the charges against them are so cut and dry? Maybe there is more video than what we have seen? I’m sure you factored all these things in when you came to your rational,  emotionless conclusion. 

Funny a guy like Newbie who knows everything only works in a warehouse. Imagine that! 

[The Observer 641]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, if there’s pre-mediation then there is cause for a higher charge. And how about the other cops? Do you think the charges against them are so cut and dry? Maybe there is more video than what we have seen? I’m sure you factored all these things in when you came to your rational,  emotionless conclusion. 

I'm not really sure what to think about the other cops. Not sure what their obligation is in such a situation.  And I'm sure most of the citizens of Minneapolis would agree with me that if they arrested the actual murderer and announced charges are pending for the others, they'd be fine with that. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

26 minutes ago, The Observer said:

 kneeling on someone's neck so long that he stops getting oxygen to the brain

Did this happen?  I mean literally did the knee on the neck actually cause him to die?  Im not saying that it didnt and it very well could have. I actually stated this as my gut feeling. Its looks like splitting hairs, but that is what the legal system is all about.

I worked an arson a few years ago where we had a dead body inside with a gunshot wound. We had video of people entering, leaving, and then the building on fire. Every detective that saw that video that day was pretty convinced of the chain of events. It took 4 months to make arrests.  4 months seems like an eternity, especially to the guys family who I had to update every week.  Once we had everything, we direct indicted to grand jury and nailed those fuks to the wall. It sucks sometimes, but its the system in which we work.

[cyclone24 1,935]

3 minutes ago, 12th Man said:

Funny a guy like Newbie who knows everything only works in a warehouse. Imagine that! 

Imagine being his age working in a warehouse. Yikes.

Might as well be a coffin. 

[tanatastic 2,062]

All hell breaking loose. Cops being blamed for every shooting. Recent video labeled “cops shoot 7 people”, video doesn’t show that. Who wants to bet it was black people shooting most likely other black people or at cops?

[12th Man 884]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Imagine being his age working in a warehouse. Yikes.

Might as well be a coffin. 

Yup. Poor bastard. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm not really sure what to think about the other cops. Not sure what their obligation is in such a situation.  And I'm sure most of the citizens of Minneapolis would agree with me that if they arrested the actual murderer and announced charges are pending for the others, they'd be fine with that. 

As Robert Duval told Sean Penn in Colors about the bulls and the cows: Two bulls are on a hill  looking over a pasture full of grazing cows. 
Baby Bull: Hey dad, why don’t we run down there and Fock one of them cows? 
Papa Bull: Why don't we walk down and Fock them all? 
 

Listen to Papa Newbie. You have a lot to learn. 

[The Observer 641]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Imagine being his age working in a warehouse. Yikes.

Might as well be a coffin. 

You're only about 20 years behind on the Newbie timeline, but you be you.  You're on a roll.   

(I did walk out into our warehouse the other day. Damn, it's hot out there.  No A/C)

[cyclone24 1,935]

I think the biggest thing that sticks out to me in all of this in this thread and in the situation is everyone's inability to just say they failed. 

 The police man obviously failed in what he was supposed to do and how he was supposed to do it. The rioters failed because they have now lost the message. I said it before but black people need white people to care about this and when the images we see are burning down perfectly good businesses we almost start tuning out the actual victim.

 The media fails because they fan the flames of this no reservation at all you're not merely as divided is they want to make it appear.

 Your friends on Facebook fail because they are inserting racism or confusing it for authoritarian issues..and pumping it out there. There is no evidence of racism other than the colors of the skin.

 Stop trying to justify the police officer but still support police. Stop defending the rioters but still support the message of protest. 

[12th Man 884]

 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, 12th Man said:

 

 

 

Thanks Obama! The gift that keeps on giving! 

[12th Man 884]

This guy sees this staged event for what it is:

 

 

[jerryskids 7,070]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

This is what happens when the demand for racism exceeds the supply.

I've seen this quote before, not sure if you came up with it, but I wanted to acknowledge it because I love it. 

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

This guy has had 18 formal complaints of police brutality and every case is marked as "closed" "non-public" and "no discipline". There is a murder caught on camera. From beginning to end. Complete with victim gasping for air, pleading with the killer for his life, and talking to his deceased mom.  It took the Georgia AD about 4 hours to charge the rednecks with murder. And at least that was preceded by a struggle.  There was no struggle here.  Just a cop kneeling on a black man's neck until he was dead. And three days later, no arrest.  This is why cities burn.

No, cities burn because (1) some people lack impulse control, and (2) others view it as an opportunity to get a new TV.

I've tried to engage you on this topic but you won't, because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

[Strike 6,005]

I want to know more about how well the cop and the victim knew each other.  I thought that was an interesting fact that brings a whole new angle to this thing. 

[Strike 6,005]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

No, cities burn because (1) some people lack impulse control, and (2) others view it as an opportunity to get a new TV.

 

I wish I lived in Minneapolis.  I don't really need a new TV but who turns down free stuff?

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

No, cities burn because (1) some people lack impulse control, and (2) others view it as an opportunity to get a new TV.

 

Sadly, yes. This is true.  We also have Senators who sell their stock off because they know of an oncoming pandemic and make millions while failing to al;ert the public of said pandemic. That's a lot of new TVs.

There are people looking for free stuff everywhere. Although only the small-potatoes type seem to bother you.

[Fireballer 2,677]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I want to know more about how well the cop and the victim knew each other.  I thought that was an interesting fact that brings a whole new angle to this thing. 

They worked security at a club.  The cop worked outside, the victim was one of 12 security officers inside.  The owner said that she was sure that they were at work at the same time, but more than likely didnt interact much if at all.

[Alias Detective 1,459]

58 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Well they can dilly dally around as long as they want.  Just don't want to hear any complaining about the protesting. 

Protesting?  you mean looting and destroying others property?

[Crestwood 2 128]

57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 No one is complaining about the protesting. They aren’t taking a knee. It’s The fires and violence that people are complaining about. 

Protesting