Couple that defended their home has their firearms confiscated

[Patented Phil 827]

Honestly, not a lot that shocks me anymore in 2020 America.  But this does.  That crazy DA really is going after that couple that defended their property against that BLM mob that was ILLEGALLY TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.  The couple didn’t fire any shots.  They never left their property.  They simply stood there with their legally purchased and licensed weapons.  Yesterday the police raided their house and confiscated their firearms.  Blatant violation of the Constitution.  Arm up boys.  If these Leftist lunatics get power in November it’s going to be a full on assault of our Constitutional rights.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-couple-who-defended-home-have-rifle-seized-during-police-search-report

[lod001 1,237]

the idiots in this country must be stopped.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,686]

Shame on that judge that signed off on the warrant. Unless there is something we don’t know about, this is infuriating. 

[fandandy 3,311]

26 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

If these Leftist lunatics get power in November it’s going to be a full on assault of our Constitutional rights.

If they take control I can guarantee in time we will have a new constitution.  The current iteration will be deemed sexist and racist.  Mark my words.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,603]

5 minutes ago, fandandy said:

If they take control I can guarantee in time we will have a new constitution.  The current iteration will be deemed sexist and racist.  Mark my words.

its simple, it was written by white men...game over

 

[fandandy 3,311]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

its simple, it was written by white men...game over

 

It's written for white men too.  The constitutional right to bear arms for instance was not written for blacks.  Gun deaths in this country could plummet overnight if we implemented that amendment as intended.  

That might seem racist but it's factual.

This election is about being white in America and how difficult you want that to be.  If you vote Democrat you are a traitor to your heritage.  Plain and simple.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

I would certainly think they have a constitutional case here.  If those firearms are legally purchased then there is simply no way they can confiscate them.

What was the reason they raided the house?

[Mr. Hand 482]

This country is out of control thanks to Liberals and the Main Stream Media.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Is there any shadow of a doubt that the left are the Nazis?

[Cdub100 3,385]

4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Is there any shadow of a doubt that the left are the Nazis?

They aren't Nazis they are communist.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The left is now legislating from the corporate boardroom.  They don't need to win elections.  They can get a whole slew of corporations from Nike to FedEx to boycott and effectively apply economic sanctions on a person or company they want to fall in line.  They collude to become a government within the US.  They need some sort of anti-trust lawsuit to rein them in.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,686]

6 minutes ago, riversco said:

The left is now legislating from the corporate boardroom.  They don't need to win elections.  They can get a whole slew of corporations from Nike to FedEx to boycott and effectively apply economic sanctions on a person or company they want to fall in line.  They collude to become a government within the US.  They need some sort of anti-trust lawsuit to rein them in.

We bought about 15 bucks worth of GOYA products today. Never did that before. And Nike is banned from this house for new purchases. 

[Fireballer 2,391]

This is fuking insane.  First, on the search warrant affidavit, you specifically have to cite what you are searching for and what specific crime(s) these items will help build your probable cause for.  Really the only thing they need the guns for is to ensure they are real. If they are gonna proceed with charges, they easily could have before the warrant. Are they making this look like a gun confiscation on purpose?

[KSB2424 3,083]

Every American should be appalled by this, regardless of political affiliation.  

[iam90sbaby 2,128]

3 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

They aren't Nazis they are communist.

Its crazy how much the word Nazi gets thrown around. What do they even mean? Are they implying that the left hates Jews? Are they implying that illegal searches are a socialists thing? Are they saying Germans suck? Just a cookie cutter response with no meaning? I don't get it 

[KSB2424 3,083]

5 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I would certainly think they have a constitutional case here.  If those firearms are legally purchased then there is simply no way they can confiscate them.

What was the reason they raided the house?

It's a valid question. 

I can't find anything online, just the typical social media 'feelings' dumbassery.  Nothing from an actual legal perspective.  

Unless corrected otherwise these are my assumptions.

1. On their own property

2. Legally owns guns

3. Never fired a weapon

4. The group (really a mob but I'm being PC) broke down a gate and was on private property.

Exactly what law did this couple break?  Seriously?  Forget R's and D's and whatever, from a strictly legal, common sense, and logical POV.  

[Cdub100 3,385]

12 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Its crazy how much the word Nazi gets thrown around. What do they even mean? Are they implying that the left hates Jews? Are they implying that illegal searches are a socialists thing? Are they saying Germans suck? Just a cookie cutter response with no meaning? I don't get it 

People have been taught that the Nazis are the greatest evil in the world. Nazi history we learned isn't even close to the truth.

[Fireballer 2,391]

15 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

It's a valid question. 

I can't find anything online, just the typical social media 'feelings' dumbassery.  Nothing from an actual legal perspective.  

Unless corrected otherwise these are my assumptions.

1. On their own property

2. Legally owns guns

3. Never fired a weapon

4. The group (really a mob but I'm being PC) broke down a gate and was on private property.

Exactly what law did this couple break?  Seriously?  Forget R's and D's and whatever, from a strictly legal, common sense, and logical POV.  

Its gonna have to be related to charges. There has to be probable cause that investigators would find evidence, guns for example,  related to specific offenses.  Im betting it would be brandishing or whatever Missouri felony would relate to pointing a gun at someone.  Not that that charge would stick, but you could probably articulate the facts to support a search warrant.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

Its crazy how much the word Nazi gets thrown around. What do they even mean? Are they implying that the left hates Jews? Are they implying that illegal searches are a socialists thing? Are they saying Germans suck? Just a cookie cutter response with no meaning? I don't get it 

What does nazism have to do with hating Jews?  Read a history book occasionally.

[BufordT 371]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

It's a valid question. 

I can't find anything online, just the typical social media 'feelings' dumbassery.  Nothing from an actual legal perspective.  

Unless corrected otherwise these are my assumptions.

1. On their own property  --->  The protestors weren't on their property. They were in the neighborhood walking past their property.

2. Legally owns guns  --->  Okaayyy

3. Never fired a weapon  --->  Aiming your weapon at protestors walking past your property is a no no.  C'mon gun nuts. You know this

4. The group (really a mob but I'm being PC) broke down a gate and was on private property. ---> There's video evidence of them peacefully walking through the gate. The gate was broken afterwards. By who, nobody knows

Exactly what law did this couple break?  Seriously?  Forget R's and D's and whatever, from a strictly legal, common sense, and logical POV.  

Supposedly, the whole neighborhood knew when the protestors would be walking through to the mayor's house.  This was a planned event.

Lastly, this couple might be one of the trumptard's that post around here....

Portland Place couple who confronted protesters have a long history of not backing down

yikes.

[frank 2,150]

5 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Is there any shadow of a doubt that the left are the Nazis?

I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[KSB2424 3,083]

1 hour ago, BufordT said:

Supposedly, the whole neighborhood knew when the protestors would be walking through to the mayor's house.  This was a planned event.

Lastly, this couple might be one of the trumptard's that post around here....

Portland Place couple who confronted protesters have a long history of not backing down

yikes.

I don't know these people, probably scumbags.  Maybe not, I honestly don't care. 

However what did they do illegally?  That was my question....not character assassination or feelings.......?  

Are we really saying brandishing a weapon, on your own property in the midst of civil unrest across the country is a crime?  

If they fired the gun into the crowd?  Yes

If they walked off their property with the firearm? Yes

I need facts not feelings. 

[GobbleDog 820]

1 hour ago, BufordT said:

Aiming your weapon at protestors walking past your property is a no no.  C'mon gun nuts. You know this

Ya can't help but sympathize with the couple in a scary situation, but when she pointed the gun at the crowd - which wasn't moving toward them.  Yeah, not good.

My understanding is gun nuts can legally patrol the perimeter of their yard with gun in hand - in any subdivision in America. But "displaying it in an aggressive manner" is on the books as well.  She probably qualifies. Given the situation and outcome, I figured the State would just look the other way. Apparently not. 

[KSB2424 3,083]

I'd love to decipher through every minutia of law for the protesters who are holding up traffic in streets and highways.  Dive into and debate every law of vandalizing government property.  Let's get the books out and really get into this stuff.......like we are this case.  Every nook and cranny of the law. 

[BufordT 371]

17 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I'd love to decipher through every minutia of law for the protesters who are holding up traffic in streets and highways.  Dive into and debate every law of vandalizing government property.  Let's get the books out and really get into this stuff.......like we are this case.  Every nook and cranny of the law. 

See, I can agree with this. And at the same time disagree that this St Louis couple were simply "defending" their home.

[Patented Phil 827]

2 hours ago, BufordT said:

Supposedly, the whole neighborhood knew when the protestors would be walking through to the mayor's house.  This was a planned event.

Lastly, this couple might be one of the trumptard's that post around here....

Portland Place couple who confronted protesters have a long history of not backing down

yikes.

The mob threatened to ransack their house, light it on fire, murder them and their dog.  It’s on tape.  They broke through a gate and were on private property.  It was not a public street - it was a private street owned by the homeowners.  We saw mobs just like this murder a cop in the area a few days before.  I can’t believe you are defending this.  These people were scared for their life and had ever reason to be.

[Strike 3,994]

4 minutes ago, BufordT said:

See, I can agree with this. And at the same time disagree that this St Louis couple were simply "defending" their home.

All the evidence we have shows that they were, in fact, defending their home.  You haven't posted anything alternative to that.   Some of what you posted is factually incorrect.

[Strike 3,994]

It's amazing that anyone thinks this was justified.  It's a power play by a left wing DA backed by George Soros.  It has no chance of holding up in court but puts these people's lives at risk.  Thankfully a local gun shop has offered to replace their AR-15 free of charge.  I hope they've already taken them up on the offer.

[Patented Phil 827]

The Missouri Castle Doctrine gives homeowners broad latitude to defend their property.  Any charges of brandishing here are nonsense and will never stand.  It’s political harassment plain and simple.  If they can do this, to a lawyer no less, think about what they’ll do to Conservatives when they gain power.  This country is so focked.

[Fireballer 2,391]

6 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

The Missouri Castle Doctrine gives homeowners broad latitude to defend their property.  Any charges of brandishing here are nonsense and will never stand.  It’s political harassment plain and simple.  If they can do this, to a lawyer no less, think about what they’ll do to Conservatives when they gain power.  This country is so focked.

Yes, this will be interesting.  Ive read numerous legal "experts" from MO and their opinions vary on how this will go. Its all gonna come down to whether a jury believes that the couple felt they were under an imminent threat of harm. I imagine if charged, it will be with Unlawful use of Firearm, MO 571.030

4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; 

 

But, MO 563.031 states that:

 

2.  A person shall not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

  (1)  He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony;

  (2)  Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or

  (3)  Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual, or is occupied by an individual who has been given specific authority by the property owner to occupy the property, claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

  3.  A person does not have a duty to retreat:

  (1)  From a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining;

  (2)  From private property that is owned or leased by such individual; or

  (3)  If the person is in any other location such person has the right to be.

[Patented Phil 827]

Anyone with a functioning brain would believe that a BLM mob is an imminent threat to life and property.  Why?  Because we had just seen for a week straight these mobs burning down buildings, looting and killing cops.  Just because Liberals were using words like “mostly peaceful” doesn’t make it so.

Of all things to prosecute the last month - they choose this.  It’s disgusting.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,686]

The prosecutors that Soros backs and many others with political ambitions are not interested in enforcing or prosecuting crimes or criminals. They are there for a much bigger picture. And keep portraying Soros as a boogeyman, like the fool MDC does. He’s real. And his money is very real and has a purpose, and it isn’t law and order. 

[Fireballer 2,391]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The prosecutors that Soros backs and many others with political ambitions are not interested in enforcing or prosecuting crimes or criminals. They are there for a much bigger picture. And keep portraying Soros as a boogeyman, like the fool MDC does. He’s real. And his money is very real and has a purpose, and it isn’t law and order. 

It doesnt matter either if this gets kicked out in court or even nolle prossed.  She towed the line and weak people will only remember the devisive, race baiting narrative being pedalled by her right now. 

[Voltaire 4,567]

For the mostly peaceful thugs and rioters who broke their gate and threatened to kill them, their dog, and burn down the house last time, it must be reassuring to know that the couple are now unarmed if they ever want to pay another visit.

[5-Points 2,736]

So after publicizing the incident for weeks, providing the names and address of this couple, now we're letting the world know that they had their guns confiscated and can no longer defend their home against an angry mob. 

It's almost like the powers that be want them to get attacked again. 

[BufordT 371]

14 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Anyone with a functioning brain would believe that a BLM mob is an imminent threat to life and property.  Why?  Because we had just seen for a week straight these mobs burning down buildings, looting and killing cops.  Just because Liberals were using words like “mostly peaceful” doesn’t make it so.

Of all things to prosecute the last month - they choose this.  It’s disgusting.

Btw. Welcome back, Filthy

[iam90sbaby 2,128]

On 7/11/2020 at 7:40 PM, TimmySmith said:

What does nazism have to do with hating Jews?  Read a history book occasionally.

So you're saying national socialism is the bad behind all of this? 

[Fireballer 2,391]

Yikes.  This should be interesting.

 

[Patented Phil 827]

The Missouri DA needs to step in and fire this Prosecutor for abuse of power, not to mention taking a giant dump on the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.  Hard to believe we are living in such times.  The Left really does want a Civil War.  I know a lot of 2A folks who view this as a direct call to arms - literally.  It's disgusting that this couple was charged. 

[5-Points 2,736]

I thought I heard somewhere that the governor plans to pardon them if it comes to that.