DESANTIS 2024!!! Ron DeSantis :wub:

[TimHauck 2,870]

55 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

Tim is one of them.

Honestly at this point I think I might actually take Trump over Desantis (and both over Biden of course)

[TimHauck 2,870]

On 3/24/2023 at 1:17 AM, TimHauck said:

How would he kill him on Covid?  Trump was definitely more lockdown-ey IMO

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/22/trump-kemp-georgia-reopen-coronavirus-202117

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Trump has opened up a bigger lead over DeSantis according to a FOXNews poll.

 

Man...DeSantis didn't even make it to one debate before Trump chewed him up. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has opened up a bigger lead over DeSantis according to a FOXNews poll.

 

Man...DeSantis didn't even make it to one debate before Trump chewed him up. 

I'm thinking the only people who support Trump are you guys. 

You want him to run soooooooooo bad you're literally hysterical about it, posting in every thread and screaming it to the heavens non stop.

If you repeat it enough times, it absolutely is true, amiright?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm thinking the only people who support Trump are you guys. 

You want him to run soooooooooo bad you're literally hysterical about it, posting in every thread and screaming it to the heavens non stop.

If you repeat it enough times, it absolutely is true, amiright?

I've said a few times here and elsewhere- I don't think Trump will run because I think he wants the allure of being President without the responsibility of it.

I don't care one way or the other if he runs. Doesn't affect me in any way.

FOX News reports the poll that he has increased his lead. It's out there.

Sorry factual news and polls triggers you 

[edjr 6,582]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has opened up a bigger lead over DeSantis according to a FOXNews poll.

 

Man...DeSantis didn't even make it to one debate before Trump chewed him up. 

Baron that you?

[thegeneral 3,209]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm thinking the only people who support Trump are you guys. 

You live in a fantasy land

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

I saw this a couple days ago from Fox Business

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

So I make up with Gutter 38%?

 

Awesome

[Mike Honcho 5,270]

27 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I saw this a couple days ago from Fox Business

 

I'm so voting for Trump in the next primary.  

[thegeneral 3,209]

Taxpayer funded globetrotting?

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

Looks like Disney has smacked DeSantis around. Not a surprise (in the end, Disney almost never loses) but will it hurt Ron’s image? 

[thegeneral 3,209]

This will no doubt be in Trump’s messaging

Something to the effect “These Floridians know the true Rom [insert nickname]”

[jerryskids 6,795]

On 3/30/2023 at 5:14 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has opened up a bigger lead over DeSantis according to a FOXNews poll.

 

Man...DeSantis didn't even make it to one debate before Trump chewed him up. 

You do realize there are about 18 months to go and DeSantis hasn't announced yet, right?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You do realize there are about 18 months to go and DeSantis hasn't announced yet, right?

Well aware

[jerryskids 6,795]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well aware

How was Obama doing in April 2007? Frontrunning?

[thegeneral 3,209]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

How was Obama doing in April 2007? Frontrunning?

We will see if Ronald has Obama’s charisma and broad appeal within the party.

Not really his target crowd here  but not seeing it so far. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

How was Obama doing in April 2007? Frontrunning?

Not as poorly as DeSantis is doing. 

[jerryskids 6,795]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Not as poorly as DeSantis is doing. 

Obama was too busy voting "present" in the Senate, not rocking any boats.   

[thegeneral 3,209]

Hold on now…Obama won two Presidential elections easily. Ronald is just a pudgy little wanna be at the moment.

He’s on like step 3 of 100 to be in Obama’s class.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Obama was too busy voting "present" in the Senate, not rocking any boats.   

I know you don't like Obama for....whatever reason you want....but you can't honestly think DeSantis has half the charisma as Obama does....especially considering DeSantis will be going against a guy in Trump who laps him in charisma as well. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

Let’s be clear on this DeSantis Obama sidebar…Ron at the moment isn’t any where near Obama’s class.

In the political realm he’s like in Single A. Obama is HOF’er

[Reality 3,121]

26 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Let’s be clear on this DeSantis Obama sidebar…Ron at the moment isn’t any where near Obama’s class.

True, Ron has actually accomplished things as a politician before running for president. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

32 minutes ago, Reality said:

True, Ron has actually accomplished things as a politician before running for president. 

Ron is doing ok but he’s just a regional politician. He’s just another prospect at the moment. History is filled with these dudes.

Obama is top tier, kind of absurd to mention Ron with him at this point frankly.

Maybe some day but miles of road to go still. 

[jerryskids 6,795]

12 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I know you don't like Obama for....whatever reason you want....but you can't honestly think DeSantis has half the charisma as Obama does....especially considering DeSantis will be going against a guy in Trump who laps him in charisma as well. 

 

11 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Ron is doing ok but he’s just a regional politician. He’s just another prospect at the moment. History is filled with these dudes.

Obama is top tier, kind of absurd to mention Ron with him at this point frankly.

Maybe some day but miles of road to go still. 

This often happens when I talk about Saint Barack.  Specifically, I was comparing Obama 18 months prior to the election, not post-president Obama.  Pre-election, Obama was zero.  He had accomplished virtually nothing, whereas DeSantis has been incredibly successful running one of the largest (and growing) states in the nation.  Being a governor is a much better prep for POTUS, since you've run a state, vs. senator, where you can vote "present."  Sure, Black Jeebus was hopey changey, but a guy running a three-card monty scam is charismatic too, that doesn't make him qualified to run the country.  Again, focus here, I'm talking PRE-election Obama.

Anyway, my point in all of this is that Mooney is drinking the Leftist MSM of "oooh, DeSantis is in trouble, Trump FTW$#@!" because that is what they want you to think.  It's 18 months prior and Ron isn't even in the race.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

This often happens when I talk about Saint Barack.  Specifically, I was comparing Obama 18 months prior to the election, not post-president Obama.  Pre-election, Obama was zero.  He had accomplished virtually nothing, whereas DeSantis has been incredibly successful running one of the largest (and growing) states in the nation.  Being a governor is a much better prep for POTUS, since you've run a state, vs. senator, where you can vote "present."  Sure, Black Jeebus was hopey changey, but a guy running a three-card monty scam is charismatic too, that doesn't make him qualified to run the country.  Again, focus here, I'm talking PRE-election Obama.

Anyway, my point in all of this is that Mooney is drinking the Leftist MSM of "oooh, DeSantis is in trouble, Trump FTW$#@!" because that is what they want you to think.  It's 18 months prior and Ron isn't even in the race.  

Jerry- when you look at poll numbers are they moving in Ron's direction or moving against him? Can that change? Sure. But right now- in this moment how are they trending? Also, do you remember 2015-16 election cycle. How long did it take Trump to take a flamethrower to that entire deck thrown at him? Do you think he can't do that to DeSantis?

Also, I never once said anything about what DeSantis has accomplished and when I have I said back in November that the Republican party should look to DeSantis as opposed to Trump. As of April 2023 they don't seem to be heading that direction. Also, to pretend like Obama had no charisma and cache until he won is silly and some revisionist work. 

Get back to me with those answers. Thanks. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

This often happens when I talk about Saint Barack.  Specifically, I was comparing Obama 18 months prior to the election, not post-president Obama.  Pre-election, Obama was zero.  He had accomplished virtually nothing, whereas DeSantis has been incredibly successful running one of the largest (and growing) states in the nation.  Being a governor is a much better prep for POTUS, since you've run a state, vs. senator, where you can vote "present."  Sure, Black Jeebus was hopey changey, but a guy running a three-card monty scam is charismatic too, that doesn't make him qualified to run the country.  Again, focus here, I'm talking PRE-election Obama.

Anyway, my point in all of this is that Mooney is drinking the Leftist MSM of "oooh, DeSantis is in trouble, Trump FTW$#@!" because that is what they want you to think.  It's 18 months prior and Ron isn't even in the race.  

My point was that Ron is just one of hundreds of politicians with similar stories, similar sterling resumes etc.

He is just a regional politician at the moment. If he can achieve what Obama did I will be very impressed. 

You guys can pick anyone, please don’t pick Donald again. No excuses that the MSM made you all do it TIA.

[Reality 3,121]

Sure, Obama was charismatic. Luckily, for the American people, most of his major 'accomplishments' were rolled back.

[jerryskids 6,795]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Jerry- when you look at poll numbers are they moving in Ron's direction or moving against him? Can that change? Sure. But right now- in this moment how are they trending? Also, do you remember 2015-16 election cycle. How long did it take Trump to take a flamethrower to that entire deck thrown at him? Do you think he can't do that to DeSantis?

Also, I never once said anything about what DeSantis has accomplished and when I have I said back in November that the Republican party should look to DeSantis as opposed to Trump. As of April 2023 they don't seem to be heading that direction. Also, to pretend like Obama had no charisma and cache until he won is silly and some revisionist work. 

Get back to me with those answers. Thanks. 

Fock you, get back to me... learn to read:  hopey changey was Obama's election campaign; I never said he only got charisma after the election.  He was elected solely on charisma, the cult of personality, the chance to elect a hipster black president.

Now go get your shine box.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fock you, get back to me... learn to read:  hopey changey was Obama's election campaign; I never said he only got charisma after the election.  He was elected solely on charisma, the cult of personality, the chance to elect a hipster black president.

Now go get your shine box.

So no answers to my questions? 

Also, elected on cult of personality, solely on charisma...sounds kind of like #45 too. I'm sure though you had tons of reservations about his political experience before the 2016 election. 

But let's get back to those questions. I'll list them since the paragraph was too hard for you apparently:

1.) when you look at poll numbers are they moving in Ron's direction or moving against him? 

2.) right now- in this moment how are they trending?

3.) Also, do you remember 2015-16 election cycle.

4.)How long did it take Trump to take a flamethrower to that entire deck thrown at him?

5.)Do you think he can't do that to DeSantis?

Get back to me on those answers..K Thx

[jerryskids 6,795]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So no answers to my questions? 

Also, elected on cult of personality, solely on charisma...sounds kind of like #45 too. I'm sure though you had tons of reservations about his political experience before the 2016 election. 

But let's get back to those questions. I'll list them since the paragraph was too hard for you apparently:

1.) when you look at poll numbers are they moving in Ron's direction or moving against him? 

2.) right now- in this moment how are they trending?

3.) Also, do you remember 2015-16 election cycle.

4.)How long did it take Trump to take a flamethrower to that entire deck thrown at him?

5.)Do you think he can't do that to DeSantis?

Get back to me on those answers..K Thx

I didn't answer them for two reasons.  One, you were and continue to be a pompous ass acting like you are instructing one of your unfortunate students to answer inane questions.  Two, and I just allude to this, the questions are really dumb.  But here you go:

1. Which poll?  One on one vs. Trump, all Reps including Trump, vs. Biden in the general?  

2. How is this different than #1?

3. Yes

4. I don't know

5. Yes (for your poorly worded question, I think he CAN'T do that to DeSantis)

#5 is the only interesting question in your group, even though it is worded like English is your second language.  Trump took everyone by storm in 2016; it is like any new athlete or system which has initial success in a league, eventually there is tape on it and the other teams figure out how to beat it.  Trump won in 2016 and has been an abject loser since then.  Hell, he lost to a guy with one foot in the grave in 2020, and his candidates in contested 2022 elections were a virtual clean sweep of fail.  

I'm not saying Trump can't win the primary; unfortunately he has a lot of zealots who don't seem to realize that he has zero chance of winning the general (in fact I think those people subconsciously WANT him to lose to some extent, so that they can biotch about unfair elections for another 4 years).  But I think it is idiotic to make those conclusions because DeSantis hasn't come out guns blazing against Trump 1.5 years prior.  And seriously, Trump's entire appeal is "they hate me because they hate you," is it really shocking that he would get a bump in the immediate aftermath of the NY indictments (which I happen to believe are crap fwiw)?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't answer them for two reasons.  One, you were and continue to be a pompous ass acting like you are instructing one of your unfortunate students to answer inane questions.  Two, and I just allude to this, the questions are really dumb.  But here you go:

1. Which poll?  One on one vs. Trump, all Reps including Trump, vs. Biden in the general?  

2. How is this different than #1?

3. Yes

4. I don't know

5. Yes (for your poorly worded question, I think he CAN'T do that to DeSantis)

#5 is the only interesting question in your group, even though it is worded like English is your second language.  Trump took everyone by storm in 2016; it is like any new athlete or system which has initial success in a league, eventually there is tape on it and the other teams figure out how to beat it.  Trump won in 2016 and has been an abject loser since then.  Hell, he lost to a guy with one foot in the grave in 2020, and his candidates in contested 2022 elections were a virtual clean sweep of fail.  

I'm not saying Trump can't win the primary; unfortunately he has a lot of zealots who don't seem to realize that he has zero chance of winning the general (in fact I think those people subconsciously WANT him to lose to some extent, so that they can biotch about unfair elections for another 4 years).  But I think it is idiotic to make those conclusions because DeSantis hasn't come out guns blazing against Trump 1.5 years prior.  And seriously, Trump's entire appeal is "they hate me because they hate you," is it really shocking that he would get a bump in the immediate aftermath of the NY indictments (which I happen to believe are crap fwiw)?

I made a factual comment about DeSantis. That led to you bringing up Obama and offering a long winded post about how Obama had no experience and DeSantis has more and nothing that really matters to what I was actually commenting on.

I treated you like I would any "unfortunate student" who tries to misdirect a conversation or outright ignore reality. Sorry the questions don't meet your criteria. Maybe you can outline rules for board posting and/or questions so we can work going forward.

As to your answers-

1.) It doesn't matter the poll because they all are trending poorly. AS I SAID- that can change. I know you conveniently missed that part because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

2.) I asked the question twice. It's good I did because I had to ask you two times to actually answer the questions. See I anticipated you ignoring them the first time through.

3.) Good you remember. So you do remember how quickly Trump buzzsawed everyone. Also, since you remember that cycle- do you remember having a bunch of reservations about Trump's lack of political expertise?

4.) 17 people announced for the nom. Trump was the 12th announcing on June 16th, 2015. He had it locked up by the end of April in 2016, but in the first debate he had the most time to speak and by the end of 2015 most experts had the nomination called for Trump. So the answer is conservatively 6 months. If you count from when debates started 4 months. 

5.) My question is worded fine thank you very much. The problem seems to be you not connecting one question to the next. It's fine though. 

 

But you did answer the questions...so you do conceivably understand how conversation works? And for the record- I chose condescension because you chose that coming in. I'll gladly start over and wipe the slate clean if you want or we can continue down this path....either way

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

I think DeSantis will ultimately wait until 2028. It’s the smart move

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

I think DeSantis will ultimately wait until 2028. It’s the smart move

Not ready for prime time, eh?

I think there’s no way he backs off at this point. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

14 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Let’s be clear on this DeSantis Obama sidebar…Ron at the moment isn’t any where near Obama’s class.

In the political realm he’s like in Single A. Obama is HOF’er

We found one of those old school Obama slobbers.  He's half black and young.  He is so cool!  What a guy!  I was in college when he was elected.  Very popular with dumb 20 year olds that never faced anything difficult up until then, yet ate up change and hope like they have been through the ringer.  

[listen2me 23 1,873]

I am always told blacks have it rough in America and "white privilege". If Obama had no color to his skin he wouldn't of been thought of like he was.   We all know this. 

I agree that Obama had "charisma".  Charisma in this setting being young and of color.   Having charisma in a presidential run basically just means you are popular with the youth.  Who are fairly emotional and stupid as a whole.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Not ready for prime time, eh?

I think there’s no way he backs off at this point. 

If he kisses the ring and supports Father Trump, he will become an Immortal of the MAGAs.  If he doesn’t, Trump will reduce him to a shell of the man he is after a couple months of campaigning and his political career will be in tatters.  Easy choice.  

[thegeneral 3,209]

47 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

If he kisses the ring and supports Father Trump, he will become an Immortal of the MAGAs.  If he doesn’t, Trump will reduce him to a shell of the man he is after a couple months of campaigning and his political career will be in tatters.  Easy choice.  

You don’t think Ronald can take out the head clown? He’s got a 12 page thread in here…I don’t see any Trump thread!!

[jerryskids 6,795]

7 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I made a factual comment about DeSantis. That led to you bringing up Obama and offering a long winded post about how Obama had no experience and DeSantis has more and nothing that really matters to what I was actually commenting on.

I treated you like I would any "unfortunate student" who tries to misdirect a conversation or outright ignore reality. Sorry the questions don't meet your criteria. Maybe you can outline rules for board posting and/or questions so we can work going forward.

As to your answers-

1.) It doesn't matter the poll because they all are trending poorly. AS I SAID- that can change. I know you conveniently missed that part because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

2.) I asked the question twice. It's good I did because I had to ask you two times to actually answer the questions. See I anticipated you ignoring them the first time through.

3.) Good you remember. So you do remember how quickly Trump buzzsawed everyone. Also, since you remember that cycle- do you remember having a bunch of reservations about Trump's lack of political expertise?

4.) 17 people announced for the nom. Trump was the 12th announcing on June 16th, 2015. He had it locked up by the end of April in 2016, but in the first debate he had the most time to speak and by the end of 2015 most experts had the nomination called for Trump. So the answer is conservatively 6 months. If you count from when debates started 4 months. 

5.) My question is worded fine thank you very much. The problem seems to be you not connecting one question to the next. It's fine though. 

 

But you did answer the questions...so you do conceivably understand how conversation works? And for the record- I chose condescension because you chose that coming in. I'll gladly start over and wipe the slate clean if you want or we can continue down this path....either way

Brief recap:  Um, this discussion started with your ridiculous premise:

On 3/30/2023 at 5:14 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has opened up a bigger lead over DeSantis according to a FOXNews poll.

 

Man...DeSantis didn't even make it to one debate before Trump chewed him up. 

I pointed out quite nicely that Barack was a nothing at this point, you of course misinterpreted something (this time a charisma comparison), then YOU came in with something like "now go answer these questions."  I rightly said fock you, then pointed out how all but one were typically idiotic, and the one worth answering I provided several cogent points which you, again typically, avoided above.

Keep following your "centrist" pablum that Trump has already "chewed Ron up," you are a good little lapdog.   

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Brief recap:  Um, this discussion started with your ridiculous premise:

I pointed out quite nicely that Barack was a nothing at this point, you of course misinterpreted something (this time a charisma comparison), then YOU came in with something like "now go answer these questions."  I rightly said fock you, then pointed out how all but one were typically idiotic, and the one worth answering I provided several cogent points which you, again typically, avoided above.

Keep following your "centrist" pablum that Trump has already "chewed Ron up," you are a good little lapdog.   

I'm sorry that the reality that polls are moving against DeSantis right now is false to you. 

Sad to see really. 

I'm glad you think you are some innocent chap who can be condescending to people without getting it thrown back at you. Maybe don't try to dish it out if you can't take it....oh man. There I go again giving lessons to you like your are one of my students. Oh well....you clearly have the mentality of one of my students so if the shoe fits.