Critical Race Theory

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I voted against Trump!

Then you voted FOR more racism.  Good job - racist.

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17 hours ago, dogcows said:

3.  Do I know how the right-wing media is portraying it? No. Maybe you could toss me a link or two? Somebody posted the CRT video from Prager U here, and it was helpful for me to see the right-wing perspective on it. Perhaps they draw attention to some aspects of it that are troublesome.

I posted a link to a very recent article by Douglas Murray.   Murray is smarter and more logical in his sleep than Kendi is on his best day and after 3 cups of coffee.   You, of course, didn't read it, ignored it, and then say "send me some links" so as to make it sound like there isn't A LOT of very sound thought on the conservative side about these issues.   

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Democrats and the left are way more racist than conservatives. 

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13 hours ago, dogcows said:

 But one cannot accurately diagnose what is happening (and has happened in the past) in America without recognizing that attitudes towards people based on their skin color were and are a substantial factor.

Liberal sleight of hand on display.   "Attitudes towards people based on their skin color were" the case is indisputable.   No one on the right or left argues that there wasn't racism in the US past.    But then we just slide in the caveat that we still "are" and imply that it is significantly impacting the prospects and success of present day AA.    When you ask for specific examples of "structural" or "institutional" racist barriers to AA, usually the answer is "redlining".    Which was outlawed in 1968, i.e. 50+ yrs ago.     Discrimination based on race was outlawed 60 years ago.     

I would say the exact opposite is true.   By forcing race and racism into everything, the true causes and their solutions of current day problems are obscured and buried under a mountain of accusations of racism.   Injecting race and racism doesn't make the "accurate diagnoses" more likely, it makes it so, so much harder to actually accomplish any meaningful progress.  

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18 hours ago, dogcows said:

3.  Do I know how the right-wing media is portraying it? No. Maybe you could toss me a link or two? Somebody posted the CRT video from Prager U here, and it was helpful for me to see the right-wing perspective on it. Perhaps they draw attention to some aspects of it that are troublesome.

Here's an article from that right-wing rag, Newsweek, that was posted yesterday.    I don't think either of the professors who wrote it attended Prager U. . .   

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-real-problem-with-critical-race-theory-opinion/ar-AALHfOz

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2 hours ago, Masshole said:

I posted a link to a very recent article by Douglas Murray.   Murray is smarter and more logical in his sleep than Kendi is on his best day and after 3 cups of coffee.   You, of course, didn't read it, ignored it, and then say "send me some links" so as to make it sound like there isn't A LOT of very sound thought on the conservative side about these issues.   

That article is about CRT, not anti-racism. It has one brief passing remark about anti-racism, but that’s not what it’s about.

As for the content of the article, there are some ridiculous assertions in it. For example:

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There is, to put it simply, a lot going on here; clearly, today’s discussions about CRT are unclear and disingenuous. But if there is a reason for this, it is that CRT’s decades-long advocates are no longer being honest.

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this failing of theirs has plunged America into chaos

So, he admits the sensationalism about CRT is disingenuous, but he blames the originators of the theory instead of the people pushing the disingenuous takes on it (then tries to use a 20-year-old example to prove the point?). Come on, man.

He also claims this is being “forced” on Americans. Oh really? Is there a law requiring everybody to learn and memorize CRT? The only way it’s being “forced” on conservatives is that it’s covered 24/7 on Fox and many other conservative outlets.

Also, has America really been “plunged into chaos”? Get real. 

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1 hour ago, Masshole said:

Here's an article from that right-wing rag, Newsweek, that was posted yesterday.    I don't think either of the professors who wrote it attended Prager U. . .   

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-real-problem-with-critical-race-theory-opinion/ar-AALHfOz

Newsweek regularly posts opinion pieces from both sides of the debate, to their credit. So look at the authors. Richard Vedder is part of the American Enterprise Institute (right-wing think tank) and Amy L. Wax is known for right-wing views that veer towards racism, according to her critics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Wax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Vedder

So, just something to keep in mind when reading the article. Just like when others point out the bias of people like Ibram Kendi… let’s be honest about the biases on both sides.

I find it interesting that Ms. Wax in particular would advocate censoring something controversial such as CRT when she was censored herself by her university for controversial things she said.

 

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4 hours ago, dogcows said:

That article is about CRT, not anti-racism. It has one brief passing remark about anti-racism, but that’s not what it’s about.

As for the content of the article, there are some ridiculous assertions in it. For example:

So, he admits the sensationalism about CRT is disingenuous, but he blames the originators of the theory instead of the people pushing the disingenuous takes on it (then tries to use a 20-year-old example to prove the point?). Come on, man.

He also claims this is being “forced” on Americans. Oh really? Is there a law requiring everybody to learn and memorize CRT? The only way it’s being “forced” on conservatives is that it’s covered 24/7 on Fox and many other conservative outlets.

Also, has America really been “plunged into chaos”? Get real. 

Holy Missed the Point Batman, he didn’t say the sensationalism was disingenuous, he said the discussion was, and the reason is that the historical advocates are not  being honest in their current representation of CRT.

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36 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Holy Missed the Point Batman, he didn’t say the sensationalism was disingenuous, he said the discussion was, and the reason is that the historical advocates are not  being honest in their current representation of CRT.

He is blaming the disingenuous conversation on the historical advocates of the theory? As far as I know, they haven’t changed what they are saying just because it’s 2021. Yes, the theory does challenge traditional ideas. It’s not shy about that.  That’s why it’s called a “critical” theory. But the author makes a logical leap of epic proportions when he says:

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The purpose of CRT was never simply to throw around ideas — it was to change America, and by extension the wider world, by applying these new racial rules in the widest possible way.

It’s an academic theory… not a political party or revolutionary organization. Come on, man…

Then the author asks why historical advocates are backtracking. What evidence is there of them backtracking? The pushback on the right-wing “death to CRT” is not backtracking on CRT’s core principles. The pushback is that it is not being taught to kids at all… which is what the right-wing complaint is about in the first place.

Funny enough, the author links to an article in his piece, trying to support this claim:

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A similar, if so far less bloody, discovery is being made with CRT. Yes, its advocates may believe that they have come up with a system to create universal justice. But applied in American schools, for instance, all they come up with is a system which causes untold pain and ugliness.

If one clicks through, they find the article is about schools being accused of teaching CRT when in actuality they are not teaching it… And the most prominent person accusing them of doing so has now resorted to personal threats towards school board members. You’d think this genius author could have read his source first. There is not a single piece of evidence in the linked piece of any school teaching CRT. All of the “untold pain and ugliness” in the story is coming from parents flying off the handle and threatening school boards.

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Just glad that the good guys are winning this one.  There is hope. 

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16 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If one clicks through, they find the article is about schools being accused of teaching CRT when in actuality they are not teaching it… And the most prominent person accusing them of doing so has now resorted to personal threats towards school board members. You’d think this genius author could have read his source first. There is not a single piece of evidence in the linked piece of any school teaching CRT. All of the “untold pain and ugliness” in the story is coming from parents flying off the handle and threatening school boards.

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

He is blaming the disingenuous conversation on the historical advocates of the theory? As far as I know, they haven’t changed what they are saying just because it’s 2021. Yes, the theory does challenge traditional ideas. It’s not shy about that.  That’s why it’s called a “critical” theory. But the author makes a logical leap of epic proportions when he says:

It’s an academic theory… not a political party or revolutionary organization. Come on, man…

Then the author asks why historical advocates are backtracking. What evidence is there of them backtracking? The pushback on the right-wing “death to CRT” is not backtracking on CRT’s core principles. The pushback is that it is not being taught to kids at all… which is what the right-wing complaint is about in the first place.

Funny enough, the author links to an article in his piece, trying to support this claim:

If one clicks through, they find the article is about schools being accused of teaching CRT when in actuality they are not teaching it… And the most prominent person accusing them of doing so has now resorted to personal threats towards school board members. You’d think this genius author could have read his source first. There is not a single piece of evidence in the linked piece of any school teaching CRT. All of the “untold pain and ugliness” in the story is coming from parents flying off the handle and threatening school boards.

We’re talking in circles, and as long as you believe that CRT is just more-accurate history lessons, we’re not going to get anywhere.  And if it is as benign as you say, it won’t be blocked by these draconian laws.  And since it isn’t being taught anyway, these laws won’t affect it.  Actually, I have no idea what you are blasting your shotgun at here, but it doesn’t come from a foundation of knowledge regarding the purpose of CRT.

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5 hours ago, dogcows said:

He is blaming the disingenuous conversation on the historical advocates of the theory? As far as I know, they haven’t changed what they are saying just because it’s 2021. Yes, the theory does challenge traditional ideas. It’s not shy about that.  That’s why it’s called a “critical” theory. But the author makes a logical leap of epic proportions when he says:

It’s an academic theory… not a political party or revolutionary organization. Come on, man…

Then the author asks why historical advocates are backtracking. What evidence is there of them backtracking? The pushback on the right-wing “death to CRT” is not backtracking on CRT’s core principles. The pushback is that it is not being taught to kids at all… which is what the right-wing complaint is about in the first place.

Funny enough, the author links to an article in his piece, trying to support this claim:

If one clicks through, they find the article is about schools being accused of teaching CRT when in actuality they are not teaching it… And the most prominent person accusing them of doing so has now resorted to personal threats towards school board members. You’d think this genius author could have read his source first. There is not a single piece of evidence in the linked piece of any school teaching CRT. All of the “untold pain and ugliness” in the story is coming from parents flying off the handle and threatening school boards.

You mean like the private Facebook group in Loudoun Va, which included school board members, that threatened parents who dare speak out against the anti-racism ciriculum? This was months ago.

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Awesome. @Hardcore troubadour your favorite people. The rally on George Floyd's Bday is a nice touch.  

 

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3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

We’re talking in circles, and as long as you believe that CRT is just more-accurate history lessons, we’re not going to get anywhere.  And if it is as benign as you say, it won’t be blocked by these draconian laws.  And since it isn’t being taught anyway, these laws won’t affect it.  Actually, I have no idea what you are blasting your shotgun at here, but it doesn’t come from a foundation of knowledge regarding the purpose of CRT.

How is the theory itself dangerous? They teach Marxism in college. Heck, they teach Machiavelli to high schoolers. But somehow the ideas in CRT are going to destroy society as we know it? Gimme a break.

My point is that these laws don’t actually affect CRT at all, since that isn’t taught in high school or below anyway. But they do have side effects that are quite worrisome. One law prohibits teaching anything that makes a student uncomfortable due to their race or religion. The law prohibits teaching anything that causes:

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“an individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of the individual ’s race or sex.”

 So, can I teach about slavery? What if it makes black kids uncomfortable to think that their ancestors may have been enslaved or white kids uncomfortable to think their ancestors may have owned and abused other people? How about kids with German or Japanese ancestry? Are we not allowed to teach about WW II? Might it not cause discomfort to teach Jewish kids about the Holocaust? And for religion: can we teach about the crusades? Or can we tell Muslim kids about 9/11? The law is idiotic because it’s an overreaction to a nothingburger.

You pass a law to prohibit something that wasn’t happening to begin with, and the rushed law creates major problems. THAT is why I have issues with people sh*tting their pants over CRT. The response leads to unintended consequences that hurt instead of help.

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25 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Awesome. @Hardcore troubadour your favorite people. The rally on George Floyd's Bday is a nice touch.  

 

Pure scum. When do they vote on making kids get vaccinated? 

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12 hours ago, dogcows said:

How is the theory itself dangerous? They teach Marxism in college. Heck, they teach Machiavelli to high schoolers. But somehow the ideas in CRT are going to destroy society as we know it? Gimme a break.

My point is that these laws don’t actually affect CRT at all, since that isn’t taught in high school or below anyway. But they do have side effects that are quite worrisome. One law prohibits teaching anything that makes a student uncomfortable due to their race or religion. The law prohibits teaching anything that causes:

 So, can I teach about slavery? What if it makes black kids uncomfortable to think that their ancestors may have been enslaved or white kids uncomfortable to think their ancestors may have owned and abused other people? How about kids with German or Japanese ancestry? Are we not allowed to teach about WW II? Might it not cause discomfort to teach Jewish kids about the Holocaust? And for religion: can we teach about the crusades? Or can we tell Muslim kids about 9/11? The law is idiotic because it’s an overreaction to a nothingburger.

You pass a law to prohibit something that wasn’t happening to begin with, and the rushed law creates major problems. THAT is why I have issues with people sh*tting their pants over CRT. The response leads to unintended consequences that hurt instead of help.

Do you have a link to the entire law which contains your quote?  I’d like to read it.

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On 6/29/2021 at 11:55 AM, Strike said:

The solution is to educate and employ the black community.  If you do that you'll raise them up within a generation or two.  Just like that was the answer for the Italians that came here 80 years ago, and all the other immigrants who have been able to succeed in America.  The solution is not to lament something that ended 150 years ago as the reason the current generation can't succeed.

I agree.  But do you think this is being done?

Tying back to some of the current replies, frankly “neighborhood schools” may be the biggest example of current policies that are disadvantageous towards blacks.  I’m not sure I’d go as far as calling them racist, and overall I agree that we shouldn’t be making white kids think that they’re bad people or black kids think they’re victims, but it does seem like there have been racist parts of history that have been glossed over in schools, such as the Tulsa Massacre, or even the American Colonization Society that someone brought up earlier.   Or another somewhat recent example which was recently highlighted by the Daily Show, the case of Pigford v Glickman in which the USDA has paid out over $1 billion in a lawsuit for discriminating against black farmers.

So while “redlining” was just one example, it has contributed to other issues such as neighborhood schools.   I know MDC was trying to play ignorant, but what I’m sure everyone else was alluding to was that primarily black schools are generally poor performing.  As was said, it’s really more about parent involvement, but that’s usually driven by incomes (wealthy areas have more parents that care and are able to spend time and money to invest in their kids and the school), and wealthy areas tend to be majority white.  (I know someone keeps bringing up Dunbar HS in DC in multiple threads, but that was not a neighborhood school as it was basically just a collection of all the wealthy blacks).

So it seems contradictory for people to say “blacks just need to go to school and they’ll improve their situation,” which has some truth to it, but the schools they go to generally speaking are not good, and they usually don’t have resources available such as tutors or even club sports. Not to mention if they don’t live in a safe home or wonder if they’ll have dinner that day.

I’m honestly not sure what the solution is though.  We’ve tried dumping tax money into urban schools and that doesn’t seem to work.  Magnet schools seem to work, but we need more.   For one I think poor kids should probably be given more opportunities for scholarships at top boarding schools where they won’t have to worry about where they’ll be sleeping or what they’ll be eating.   But not sure how well that would go over with their parents.

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19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I agree.  But do you think this is being done?

Tying back to some of the current replies, frankly “neighborhood schools” may be the biggest example of current policies that are disadvantageous towards blacks.  I’m not sure I’d go as far as calling them racist, and overall I agree that we shouldn’t be making white kids think that they’re bad people or black kids think they’re victims, but it does seem like there have been racist parts of history that have been glossed over in schools, such as the Tulsa Massacre, or even the American Colonization Society that someone brought up earlier.   Or another somewhat recent example which was recently highlighted by the Daily Show, the case of Pigford v Glickman in which the USDA has paid out over $1 billion in a lawsuit for discriminating against black farmers.

So while “redlining” was just one example, it has contributed to other issues such as neighborhood schools.   I know MDC was trying to play ignorant, but what I’m sure everyone else was alluding to was that primarily black schools are generally poor performing.  As was said, it’s really more about parent involvement, but that’s usually driven by incomes (wealthy areas have more parents that care and are able to spend time and money to invest in their kids and the school), and wealthy areas tend to be majority white.  (I know someone keeps bringing up Dunbar HS in DC in multiple threads, but that was not a neighborhood school as it was basically just a collection of all the wealthy blacks).

So it seems contradictory for people to say “blacks just need to go to school and they’ll improve their situation,” which has some truth to it, but the schools they go to generally speaking are not good, and they usually don’t have resources available such as tutors or even club sports. Not to mention if they don’t live in a safe home or wonder if they’ll have dinner that day.

I’m honestly not sure what the solution is though.  We’ve tried dumping tax money into urban schools and that doesn’t seem to work.  Magnet schools seem to work, but we need more.   For one I think poor kids should probably be given more opportunities for scholarships at top boarding schools where they won’t have to worry about where they’ll be sleeping or what they’ll be eating.   But not sure how well that would go over with their parents.

So basically you're making the argument that leftists are full of sh!t with their race rhetoric and are fighting a war for power disguised as a race war?  Many here have been saying that for years.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So it seems contradictory for people to say “blacks just need to go to school and they’ll improve their situation,” which has some truth to it, but the schools they go to generally speaking are not good, and they usually don’t have resources available such as tutors or even club sports. Not to mention if they don’t live in a safe home or wonder if they’ll have dinner that day.

 

It's not contradictory at all.  There is nothing I, a mostly white dude from an upper middle class background,  can do to make black inner city parents care about their kids education/upbringing.  Either they do or they don't.  That's the first thing.

You're relatively new here so I'll tell this story again.  I don't much any more because I've done so a number of times and the response is usually meh.  Especially from Peenie.  It's one of the ways I know she's just a complaining, racist POS who doesn't really care whether things change or not.  But I grew up in Los Angeles in the late 70's/early 80's.  At that time the Los Angeles Unified School District decided to force bussing to desegregate the schools.  A percentage of kids from my neighborhood were bussed to inner city schools in places like Compton and kids from those schools were bussed the 60-90 minutes out to our great suburb.  My parents said fock that and sent me to a private school so my 7-9 grade school years were spent at a private school.  After a couple of years this scheme was abandoned by the LAUSD but I still spent my 9th grade at a private school since I'd already completed 2 years there. 

What the LAUSD did after abandoning the forced bussing was to leave in place a system whereby a student could voluntarily be bussed to a better school.  Obviously, no one from my area wanted to go to school in Compton but we had a number of busses from the inner cities come out to our school.  So, for high school, I had a bunch of inner city kids as peers.  They were all great and you would never know they were from an inner city slum neighborhood.  Why do you think that was?  Because there has to be a level of commitment, from the family and not just the kid, to be willing to ride a bus for several hours a day just to get to your school, then spend the day at school with a population of mostly white kids who would never relate to your upbringing.  Those were the kids who wanted out of the hood.  I have no doubt most of those kids went on to be successful adults. 

What we need are more programs like the one I outlined above, and others to reach the black kids that want to get out.  But I'm not going to blame whitey or America for those that don't want to or don't get out.  The black leaders in this country are failing their race by not lifting them up and just looking for scapegoats to blame for their failures. 

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7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have a link to the entire law which contains your quote?  I’d like to read it.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87r/billtext/pdf/HB03979F.pdf

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54 minutes ago, dogcows said:

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87r/billtext/pdf/HB03979F.pdf

Had you read this, you would be relieved to know that slavery and related racism topics are specifically allowed.  Page 3, lines 1-3

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7)the history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
theKuKluxKlan,andthewaysinwhichitismorallywrong;

Also if the paragraph you cited causes consternation, it can be removed and the rest still stands.

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 SECTIONA4.AAIf any provision of this Act or its application
5 toanypersonorcircumstanceisheldinvalid,theinvaliditydoes
6 notaffectotherprovisionsorapplicationsofthisActthatcanbe
7 given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to
8 thisendtheprovisionsofthisActaredeclaredtobeseverable.

Cut and paste not working well, sorry.  

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

It's not contradictory at all.  There is nothing I, a mostly white dude from an upper middle class background,  can do to make black inner city parents care about their kids education/upbringing.  Either they do or they don't.  That's the first thing.

You're relatively new here so I'll tell this story again.  I don't much any more because I've done so a number of times and the response is usually meh.  Especially from Peenie.  It's one of the ways I know she's just a complaining, racist POS who doesn't really care whether things change or not.  But I grew up in Los Angeles in the late 70's/early 80's.  At that time the Los Angeles Unified School District decided to force bussing to desegregate the schools.  A percentage of kids from my neighborhood were bussed to inner city schools in places like Compton and kids from those schools were bussed the 60-90 minutes out to our great suburb.  My parents said fock that and sent me to a private school so my 7-9 grade school years were spent at a private school.  After a couple of years this scheme was abandoned by the LAUSD but I still spent my 9th grade at a private school since I'd already completed 2 years there. 

What the LAUSD did after abandoning the forced bussing was to leave in place a system whereby a student could voluntarily be bussed to a better school.  Obviously, no one from my area wanted to go to school in Compton but we had a number of busses from the inner cities come out to our school.  So, for high school, I had a bunch of inner city kids as peers.  They were all great and you would never know they were from an inner city slum neighborhood.  Why do you think that was?  Because there has to be a level of commitment, from the family and not just the kid, to be willing to ride a bus for several hours a day just to get to your school, then spend the day at school with a population of mostly white kids who would never relate to your upbringing.  Those were the kids who wanted out of the hood.  I have no doubt most of those kids went on to be successful adults. 

What we need are more programs like the one I outlined above, and others to reach the black kids that want to get out.  But I'm not going to blame whitey or America for those that don't want to or don't get out.  The black leaders in this country are failing their race by not lifting them up and just looking for scapegoats to blame for their failures. 

I agree.  I guess my only question would be were those the “kids that wanted out of the hood,” or continuing with the theme of involved parents, just the “parents that wanted their kids out of the hood”?  It is certainly a disadvantage if your parents don’t give a crap about your education.   

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11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree.  I guess my only question would be were those the “kids that wanted out of the hood,” or continuing with the theme of involved parents, just the “parents that wanted their kids out of the hood”?  It is certainly a disadvantage if your parents don’t give a crap about your education.   

Years ago I heard the following words of wisdom:  there are three key influencers in a kid’s success at school:  parents, teachers, and the kid himself.  If 2 of those 3 work to make him successful, he will be.  Seems to make sense.  

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12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree.  I guess my only question would be were those the “kids that wanted out of the hood,” or continuing with the theme of involved parents, just the “parents that wanted their kids out of the hood”?  It is certainly a disadvantage if your parents don’t give a crap about your education.   

I never heard one of those kids complain about the hours spent on the bus.  Nor did I hear about them being disruptive in class or getting bad grades.  Many participated in extracurricular activities.  I think a reasonable inference is that they enjoyed their time there and wanted to get the most out of it.  So, my conclusion is that BOTH the kids and the parents wanted them to get a good education and succeed in life.

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

I never heard one of those kids complain about the hours spent on the bus.  Nor did I hear about them being disruptive in class or getting bad grades.  Many participated in extracurricular activities.  I think a reasonable inference is that they enjoyed their time there and wanted to get the most out of it.  So, my conclusion is that BOTH the kids and the parents wanted them to get a good education and succeed in life.

I agree, I guess I was more referring to the kids that didn’t participate in that program.  There were likely other kids who would have liked to get out of their current situation, but whose parents may not have.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I agree, I guess I was more referring to the kids that didn’t participate in that program.  There were likely other kids who would have liked to get out of their current situation, but whose parents may not have.

And if that's true it's unfortunate.  Those kids can still succeed but may have a harder time at it. 

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18 hours ago, Strike said:

It's not contradictory at all.  There is nothing I, a mostly white dude from an upper middle class background,  can do to make black inner city parents care about their kids education/upbringing.  Either they do or they don't.  That's the first thing.

You're relatively new here so I'll tell this story again.  I don't much any more because I've done so a number of times and the response is usually meh.  Especially from Peenie.  It's one of the ways I know she's just a complaining, racist POS who doesn't really care whether things change or not.  But I grew up in Los Angeles in the late 70's/early 80's.  At that time the Los Angeles Unified School District decided to force bussing to desegregate the schools.  A percentage of kids from my neighborhood were bussed to inner city schools in places like Compton and kids from those schools were bussed the 60-90 minutes out to our great suburb.  My parents said fock that and sent me to a private school so my 7-9 grade school years were spent at a private school.  After a couple of years this scheme was abandoned by the LAUSD but I still spent my 9th grade at a private school since I'd already completed 2 years there. 

What the LAUSD did after abandoning the forced bussing was to leave in place a system whereby a student could voluntarily be bussed to a better school.  Obviously, no one from my area wanted to go to school in Compton but we had a number of busses from the inner cities come out to our school.  So, for high school, I had a bunch of inner city kids as peers.  They were all great and you would never know they were from an inner city slum neighborhood.  Why do you think that was?  Because there has to be a level of commitment, from the family and not just the kid, to be willing to ride a bus for several hours a day just to get to your school, then spend the day at school with a population of mostly white kids who would never relate to your upbringing.  Those were the kids who wanted out of the hood.  I have no doubt most of those kids went on to be successful adults. 

What we need are more programs like the one I outlined above, and others to reach the black kids that want to get out.  But I'm not going to blame whitey or America for those that don't want to or don't get out.  The black leaders in this country are failing their race by not lifting them up and just looking for scapegoats to blame for their failures. 

Nah, I bought a house in a good school district to get away from those people and to keep my kids safe. I don't want poor inner-city kids coming to my good schools.

I escaped that environment for a reason and don't want that for my kids.

Sorry not sorry.

[dogcows 1,030]

A group of people of differing political points of view all came together to point out the problems with the anti-CRT laws:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/we-disagree-on-a-lot-of-things-except-the-danger-of-anti-critical-race-theory-laws.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqohkT1UbBibSRdkhrxqAwufChbA9nXbxNiWYDDFEiu1QB4-cvkDDILZjZt08xHGWVNRMKKNqWPx_i-NWOUNgUUyvrN6NnogEZi4vqJ6yVWoymojEVr197T_naXOobeN226b5vw6DNHL4J8y5vxFBXAV1_tsjfke3iTdOnv2bRvgkiNAv3f0hBoQrEjoEeCXe76H3Ax4qOcGAOxmM7gNiU-oOWTjDjJXLveJ7BQZXClvGTnN14X9tq48PfYNKY9usakIoa8H8gr0OC2J3LYjPBJY5RILcl74Coqea4FXXi5Lwn6NqYf0S6LDUsW-6NEItTqeWPTjxXT8ZtjtJ-SBMqleVNb2RsjArEyO83Pgrwjs&smid=url-share

[Utilit99 4,099]

21 minutes ago, dogcows said:

A group of people of differing political points of view all came together to point out the problems with the anti-CRT laws:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/we-disagree-on-a-lot-of-things-except-the-danger-of-anti-critical-race-theory-laws.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqohkT1UbBibSRdkhrxqAwufChbA9nXbxNiWYDDFEiu1QB4-cvkDDILZjZt08xHGWVNRMKKNqWPx_i-NWOUNgUUyvrN6NnogEZi4vqJ6yVWoymojEVr197T_naXOobeN226b5vw6DNHL4J8y5vxFBXAV1_tsjfke3iTdOnv2bRvgkiNAv3f0hBoQrEjoEeCXe76H3Ax4qOcGAOxmM7gNiU-oOWTjDjJXLveJ7BQZXClvGTnN14X9tq48PfYNKY9usakIoa8H8gr0OC2J3LYjPBJY5RILcl74Coqea4FXXi5Lwn6NqYf0S6LDUsW-6NEItTqeWPTjxXT8ZtjtJ-SBMqleVNb2RsjArEyO83Pgrwjs&smid=url-share

If someone doesn't want their kid being taught lies and that they are a terrible person because they are white, that's bad and evil because it's censorship and  that shouldn't happen.

The left controls the media and social platforms and they censor the last president and conservatives all over the place and that's good. 

Focking joke. 

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

On 7/3/2021 at 9:54 PM, Fireballer said:

Awesome. @Hardcore troubadour your favorite people. The rally on George Floyd's Bday is a nice touch.  

 

The NEA has scrapped any and all indications that this document was ever on their website.  Also, all docs stating they were pushing for all students vaxxed before returning to in person learning....poof, gone.

[posty 2,700]

On 7/2/2021 at 2:25 PM, Fireballer said:

Loudoun Co. VA is pretty much ground zero for this stuff.  This is straight from the VA DOE document on equity.

We remain steadfast in our commitment to the principles of anti-racism

Now go look at the principles of anti racism.  

 

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Loudoun County is completely full of idiots...  It is really a shame to live near that county...

[Voltaire 5,316]

21 minutes ago, posty said:

Loudoun County is completely full of idiots...  It is really a shame to live near that county...

I dunno about that. The school board is full of idiots,   the parents who pack the school board meeting are some of the finest people in the country.

[Fireballer 2,642]

Scary stuff.  This is what Loudoun Va payed 35k for to train their teachers. 

 

[jerryskids 6,797]

21 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Scary stuff.  This is what Loudoun Va payed 35k for to train their teachers. 

 

No socialist or communist thoughts in that, nosiree.  Family, classroom, group… tomato, tomahto…

Also, $625 per hour?  Dayam, I chose the wrong field in STEM.   

[Fireballer 2,642]

LMAO...the "history" red herring.  I tell you what, teach all of the factual history you want. But don't you dare instill a morsel of anti-racism in any other class. None of the 1619 bullsh!t either that has been found to to be littered with falsehoods.  The founding fathers owned slaves.  We treated black people badly and had racist laws. It's no secret.  Teach all you want about factual historic information.  The problem is when they throw in sh!t like "tell me how our history makes you feel about being white".  Or the stupid math curriculum the California wants to institute with this atrocious language. 

"All students deserve powerful mathematics; we reject ideas of natural gifts and talents,"

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

No socialist or communist thoughts in that, nosiree.  Family, classroom, group… tomato, tomahto…

Also, $625 per hour?  Dayam, I chose the wrong field in STEM.   

Yep.  Also telling that they think a parent's role is to "respect teachers authority". They're not even hiding it.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

But it's just MUH HIZTERY

 

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, Fireballer said:

But it's just MUH HIZTERY

 

What does it say about this board when the thing that makes many here most upset is anti-racism? I mean, the opposite of it is racism, which is not something worth protecting.

And, I don’t know about you guys, but as a kid growing up, we were supposed to respect the teachers’ authority, I’d think conservatives would agree students should respect their teachers as authority figures… or should kids run wild and ignore the teachers?

[Utilit99 4,099]

58 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What does it say about this board when the thing that makes many here most upset is anti-racism? I mean, the opposite of it is racism, which is not something worth protecting.

And, I don’t know about you guys, but as a kid growing up, we were supposed to respect the teachers’ authority, I’d think conservatives would agree students should respect their teachers as authority figures… or should kids run wild and ignore the teachers?

When I went to school, teachers taught math and English, not bullshlt social agenda.