Critical Race Theory

[jerryskids 6,797]

On 6/23/2021 at 8:31 AM, Voltaire said:

The claim that "CRT isn't being taught in the schools" is a canard diversion. Teachers are being taught this stuff everywhere and applying the lessons they learn from that training in the schools where they pass it down to the kids even if they aren' t reading White Fragitily in the classroom.

My gym is NOT a CrossFit gym.  The workouts are very much like CrossFit but the owners are not a licensee so it is NOT CrossFit.  Anyone who calls it CrossFit is ignorant.

On 6/23/2021 at 4:25 PM, dogcows said:

I believe this is a misinterpretation. The point is not that all black people are victims or that all white people are racists.

The point is: we know legal systems discriminating against black people existed in much of America until at least the 1960s. Everything didn’t become equitable overnight. What long-term effects did Jim Crow laws have that might persist today? One example: black people weren’t allowed to get loans or even buy homes in many neighborhoods. The people that bought homes during the days of Jim Crow were able to pay off the home in time, and pass the home or at least the proceeds from the home to their children.  That is generational wealth that black people were not legally allowed to accumulate, while white people were. That’s just one example of things to consider.

Are there other systems that were setup during Jim Crow that never got changed and still contain some biases against black people? None of this says that white people are evil or that black people are victims. It does rightly acknowledge the past and asks what effect history has on the present. I fail to see the problem in looking at such things critically. Pitching it as “stop telling white kids they are evil” is a way to discredit the study, and IMHO it misses the point.

 

Regarding the bolded, I recently had a conversation on this topic, albeit in the context of reparations.  Your statement helps to explain why more blacks have not accumulated (real estate) wealth.  Great info, we should all learn about such policies, I don’t think many people disagree with learning history better.  The question is, what do we do about it?  Reparations is an attempt to get into a time machine and undo what was done; that won’t work, we might as well just burn that money, although that doesn’t make leftists feel better.  Better yet would be to educate today’s black youth that while unfortunate, we’ve fixed it, and you can break the cycle.  You can work hard, save money, buy a house, and begin the process of passing that wealth down to your future generations.

Unfortunately, CRT is more than just history, and leftists who buy the MSM message that it is just about history are contributing to that false narrative.  CRT is a framework which teaches that history in a context that our institutions are inherently racist and that those systems must be changed for Blacks to be successful.  Leftists argue that it doesn’t teach kids that they can’t be successful in the current system; technically that may be true, but it shows something that looks and walks and talks like a duck and leaves the conclusion to the user.

Note I’ve started using the word “leftist” instead of “liberal.”  I don’t think it is fair, or accurate, to call what is going on culturally today as classically liberal.  In fact, CRT specifically opposes liberalism.  From wiki:

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• Critique of liberalism: Critical race theory scholars question foundational liberal concepts such as Enlightenment, rationalism, legal equality, and Constitutional neutrality, and challenge the incrementalist approach of traditional civil-rights discourse.^[28] They favor a race-conscious approach to social transformation, critiquing liberal ideas such as affirmative action, color blindness, role modeling, or the merit principle^[43] with an approach that relies more on political organizing, in contrast to liberalism's reliance on rights-based remedies.

Opposes the merit principle, hmm… seems like a positive message for our next generation.   

[Cdub100 3,907]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My gym is NOT a CrossFit gym.  The workouts are very much like CrossFit but the owners are not a licensee so it is NOT CrossFit.  Anyone who calls it CrossFit is ignorant.

Regarding the bolded, I recently had a conversation on this topic, albeit in the context of reparations.  Your statement helps to explain why more blacks have not accumulated (real estate) wealth.  Great info, we should all learn about such policies, I don’t think many people disagree with learning history better.  The question is, what do we do about it?  Reparations is an attempt to get into a time machine and undo what was done; that won’t work, we might as well just burn that money, although that doesn’t make leftists feel better.  Better yet would be to educate today’s black youth that while unfortunate, we’ve fixed it, and you can break the cycle.  You can work hard, save money, buy a house, and begin the process of passing that wealth down to your future generations.

Unfortunately, CRT is more than just history, and leftists who buy the MSM message that it is just about history are contributing to that false narrative.  CRT is a framework which teaches that history in a context that our institutions are inherently racist and that those systems must be changed for Blacks to be successful.  Leftists argue that it doesn’t teach kids that they can’t be successful in the current system; technically that may be true, but it shows something that looks and walks and talks like a duck and leaves the conclusion to the user.

Note I’ve started using the word “leftist” instead of “liberal.”  I don’t think it is fair, or accurate, to call what is going on culturally today as classically liberal.  In fact, CRT specifically opposes liberalism.  From wiki:

Opposes the merit principle, hmm… seems like a positive message for our next generation.   

You know... I'm getting really tired of well off rich white people tell me how bad black have it and how easy it is for white people.

Fock that. I had nothing and was homeless for a time. I started with less than nothing when my mother stole my megar savings THAT I EARNED working at McDonald's to pay her mortgage.

Fock all y'all I worked hard and earned my sh1t. So kiss my @ss while you cry for the poor black people

Poor people are poor became they are stupid. Period. They aren't poor because mommy or daddy didn't leave them some money when they died. How retarded is that?

Kiss my @ss

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41 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You know... I'm getting really tired of well off rich white people tell me how bad black have it and how easy it is for white people.

Fock that. I had nothing and was homeless for a time. I started with less than nothing when my mother stole my megar savings THAT I EARNED working at McDonald's to pay her mortgage.

Fock all y'all I worked hard and earned my sh1t. So kiss my @ss while you cry for the poor black people

Poor people are poor became they are stupid. Period. They aren't poor because mommy or daddy didn't leave them some money when they died. How retarded is that?

Kiss my @ss

That's all good and well.  You have something that you never lose, and will give you benefits...white privilege.  No matter how downtrodden you are, you will eventually catch a break based on your race.  Congrats on being an oppressor.  

[Cdub100 3,907]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

That's all good and well.  You have something that you never lose, and will give you benefits...white privilege.  No matter how downtrodden you are, you will eventually catch a break based on your race.  Congrats on being an oppressor.  

My white privilege came in super handy when I couldn't get scholarships or grants for college because of the color of my skin. I had to take loans and I paid back every single cent I borrowed. Not one grant or scholarship. The closest I came was a government program that would reimburse u to 10k, but I never got it while women and blacks around me got it 2-3 times. My privilege came in huge when I was homeless for a month before a moved into a ghetto apartment with other poor people like me white, black and brown.

I'd like to turn in my white privilege card because it hasn't done sh1t for me. Especially now when legit focking morons are getting promoted because of nothing else but the color of their skin.

Suck my white privilege card d1ck

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

That's all good and well.  You have something that you never lose, and will give you benefits...white privilege.  No matter how downtrodden you are, you will eventually catch a break based on your race.  Congrats on being an oppressor.  

Black people got the same jobs I got when I was working my way through school. They went to the same schools I went to. They also represent very well in my current career. Not sure where all that oppression is that you are talking about. Maybe you mean liberals, not whites?

[Cdub100 3,907]

Both of my brothers are poor as fock. One lives in a trailer the other still lives with our mom. They will never be middle class. Both have been to jail. You know why? Because the are stupid focks. White privilege has done nothing for them. I was able to escape because I was smart enough to get out of that life.

Sorry not sorry but the average IQ for a black person in the western world is 80-85. I understand that is a very hard pill for people to swallow, but it's absolutely the truth. The reason black people struggle so much has nothing to do with america. It's because on average they are stupid, just like my brothers. 

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One race blaming another for their misfortune might make them feel better about their misfortune.  People are always blaming their misfortune on others. Changes nothing.

[Cdub100 3,907]

42 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

One race blaming another for their misfortune might make them feel better about their misfortune.  People are always blaming their misfortune on others. Changes nothing.

Yup it is always someone else's fault. I heard it all the time 

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Call it what you want, but it's pure evil.  There's no room for any of this in public school.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

But MDC said it’s not real.  Just a boogie man. 

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21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

But MDC said it’s not real.  Just a boogie man. 

And yet its more provable than the notion of white supremacy.....curious

[Fireballer 2,642]

Where do I sign my kids up for this school?

This is a time when teachers, and all educators alike, must be willing to both confront and reorient their stance on what it means to be a teacher. This means teachers must be willing to reject the dangerous notions of what it means to be a teacher. Dangerous notions are the (often unchecked) ideas that teachers have about what their role ought to be. Examples of dangerous notions include: the belief that neutrality is a harmless stance, that teaching is apolitical, that it is okay to be colorblind, and that teachers should not engage in the work of anti-racism or social justice and should not touch upon controversial issues.

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47 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

But MDC said it’s not real.  Just a boogie man. 

On the TS liberalism scale he is between 2 and 3.

1. Ostracise the messenger.

2. Deny the message is happening. 

3. Admit the message is happening but it's not a big deal.

4. Defend the message.

[Voltaire 5,316]

36 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Where do I sign my kids up for this school?

This is a time when teachers, and all educators alike, must be willing to both confront and reorient their stance on what it means to be a teacher. This means teachers must be willing to reject the dangerous notions of what it means to be a teacher. Dangerous notions are the (often unchecked) ideas that teachers have about what their role ought to be. Examples of dangerous notions include: the belief that neutrality is a harmless stance, that teaching is apolitical, that it is okay to be colorblind, and that teachers should not engage in the work of anti-racism or social justice and should not touch upon controversial issues.

And t be clear, "anti-racism" isn't what equality and colorblindness. You see they make the distinction themselves. Anti-racism is proactive racism against white/asian people.

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Where do I sign my kids up for this school?

This is a time when teachers, and all educators alike, must be willing to both confront and reorient their stance on what it means to be a teacher. This means teachers must be willing to reject the dangerous notions of what it means to be a teacher. Dangerous notions are the (often unchecked) ideas that teachers have about what their role ought to be. Examples of dangerous notions include: the belief that neutrality is a harmless stance, that teaching is apolitical, that it is okay to be colorblind, and that teachers should not engage in the work of anti-racism or social justice and should not touch upon controversial issues.

And never, ever think for a minute they are your kids. They are your students. 

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

And t be clear, "anti-racism" isn't what equality and colorblindness. You see they make the distinction themselves. Anti-racism is proactive racism against white/asian people.

Yep.  And it's linguistic manipulation, just like BLM.  I mean who doesn't think you shouldn't be against racism?  

[Reality 3,121]

So much evidence, pretty disheartening that these educators are taking it upon themselves to teach (preach) this garbage.

Good for the parents who are being proactive and dealing with this stuff, they should be celebrated not ostracized. 

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10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Yep.  And it's linguistic manipulation, just like BLM.  I mean who doesn't think you shouldn't be against racism?  

As the world famous scholar and philosopher David St. Hubbins once said, "It's such a fine line between clever and stupid"

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https://twitter.com/nedryun/status/1408969423390756871?s=19

[Voltaire 5,316]

This is from the book launch of Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility." This is no ordinary book. This book goes on to become #1 for a bazzillion weeks on the NYTimes bestseller list and is required reading for braindead feminists and limp wristed weiners serving as teacher recertification and in HR departments.

I've not watched the whole thing, I don't have enough antacid tablets, but just in the intro, you need to see how the lady introducing her and Robin start off. This how leftist teachers talk to your children about these topics. Is this acceptable? Do you want your kids learning from these people?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

On 6/26/2021 at 3:06 PM, Cdub100 said:

Both of my brothers are poor as fock. One lives in a trailer the other still lives with our mom. They will never be middle class. Both have been to jail. You know why? Because the are stupid focks. White privilege has done nothing for them. I was able to escape because I was smart enough to get out of that life.

Sorry not sorry but the average IQ for a black person in the western world is 80-85. I understand that is a very hard pill for people to swallow, but it's absolutely the truth. The reason black people struggle so much has nothing to do with america. It's because on average they are stupid, just like my brothers. 

You are one racist motherfocker

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You are one racist motherfocker

Make a case for it. Or do you just want to call someone a name like the rest of the left? 

If I don't like a particular black person, I'm a racist according to current day liberal politics. 

Why don't you own up to your accusations and not avoid follow ups? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This is from the book launch of Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility." This is no ordinary book. This book goes on to become #1 for a bazzillion weeks on the NYTimes bestseller list and is required reading for braindead feminists and limp wristed weiners serving as teacher recertification and in HR departments.

I've not watched the whole thing, I don't have enough antacid tablets, but just in the intro, you need to see how the lady introducing her and Robin start off. This how leftist teachers talk to your children about these topics. Is this acceptable? Do you want your kids learning from these people?

It doesn’t exist.  Even though the books sellout. 

[dogcows 1,030]

On 6/26/2021 at 1:52 PM, jerryskids said:

My gym is NOT a CrossFit gym.  The workouts are very much like CrossFit but the owners are not a licensee so it is NOT CrossFit.  Anyone who calls it CrossFit is ignorant.

Regarding the bolded, I recently had a conversation on this topic, albeit in the context of reparations.  Your statement helps to explain why more blacks have not accumulated (real estate) wealth.  Great info, we should all learn about such policies, I don’t think many people disagree with learning history better.  The question is, what do we do about it?  Reparations is an attempt to get into a time machine and undo what was done; that won’t work, we might as well just burn that money, although that doesn’t make leftists feel better.  Better yet would be to educate today’s black youth that while unfortunate, we’ve fixed it, and you can break the cycle.  You can work hard, save money, buy a house, and begin the process of passing that wealth down to your future generations.

Unfortunately, CRT is more than just history, and leftists who buy the MSM message that it is just about history are contributing to that false narrative.  CRT is a framework which teaches that history in a context that our institutions are inherently racist and that those systems must be changed for Blacks to be successful.  Leftists argue that it doesn’t teach kids that they can’t be successful in the current system; technically that may be true, but it shows something that looks and walks and talks like a duck and leaves the conclusion to the user.

Note I’ve started using the word “leftist” instead of “liberal.”  I don’t think it is fair, or accurate, to call what is going on culturally today as classically liberal.  In fact, CRT specifically opposes liberalism.  From wiki:

Opposes the merit principle, hmm… seems like a positive message for our next generation.   

I think there are certain things that tend to support CRT’s assumptions, but it’s just a theory and doesn’t explain everything. It is being grossly mischaracterized by the right-wing outrage echo chamber though. It’s not about people being evil or racist. It’s about unintended consequences. I found this was a pretty good explanation of it. There are also some statements in the linked article about how CRT is being used as an election issue, but feel free to ignore that if you’re not interested. The explainer of CRT itself in the article was one of the more succinct I’ve seen.

https://popular.info/p/1-truth-and-3-lies-about-critical?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ0MTgzOCwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzgxMDUzMzEsIl8iOiJmbFdIVCIsImlhdCI6MTYyNDg4NDU5NywiZXhwIjoxNjI0ODg4MTk3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY2NCIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.O8r-kjhWRwTFJuWOuPWPdN6TQZzRgnU75JDIWmjHCA8

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41 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I think there are certain things that tend to support CRT’s assumptions, but it’s just a theory and doesn’t explain everything. It is being grossly mischaracterized by the right-wing outrage echo chamber though. It’s not about people being evil or racist. It’s about unintended consequences. I found this was a pretty good explanation of it. There are also some statements in the linked article about how CRT is being used as an election issue, but feel free to ignore that if you’re not interested. The explainer of CRT itself in the article was one of the more succinct I’ve seen.

https://popular.info/p/1-truth-and-3-lies-about-critical?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ0MTgzOCwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzgxMDUzMzEsIl8iOiJmbFdIVCIsImlhdCI6MTYyNDg4NDU5NywiZXhwIjoxNjI0ODg4MTk3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY2NCIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.O8r-kjhWRwTFJuWOuPWPdN6TQZzRgnU75JDIWmjHCA8

I think what the right is really trying to attack is anti-racism.  Obviously, the phrasing is the biggest problem.  Nobody is jumping at the chance to be on record against something, that on the surface, fights racism.  There's a couple of things I take issue with, as would most sane people.

1. The education system is frought with racism.  If you are not actively "doing the work" to dismantle the education system and its inherent racism, then you are a racist.

2.  Neutrality, or being "color blind" is not an option.  You must see race.  If you aren't actively "anti-racist", then your racist.  So, kids are learning that if they aren't activists, then they're opressors.

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12 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I think what the right is really trying to attack is anti-racism.  Obviously, the phrasing is the biggest problem.  Nobody is jumping at the chance to be on record against something, that on the surface, fights racism.  There's a couple of things I take issue with, as would most sane people.

1. The education system is frought with racism.  If you are not actively "doing the work" to dismantle the education system and its inherent racism, then you are a racist.

2.  Neutrality, or being "color blind" is not an option.  You must see race.  If you aren't actively "anti-racist", then your racist.  So, kids are learning that if they aren't activists, then they're opressors.

If it’s being presented in that way to kids, then I think that’s a problem.

A more honest and useful way to present it: We have systems that (intentionally or unintentionally) lead to worse outcomes for minorities. How can we change them in a way that’s fair to everybody?

And I think pretending the social construct of “race” doesn’t have anything to do with it is a mistake. Ideally we should be colorblind. But the past actions taken by a society that mostly did believe in racial divisions need to be analyzed honestly.

Libs could dial this down a notch, but the right-wing response is currently very disproportionate IMHO.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If it’s being presented in that way to kids, then I think that’s a problem.

A more honest and useful way to present it: We have systems that (intentionally or unintentionally) lead to worse outcomes for minorities. How can we change them in a way that’s fair to everybody?

And I think pretending the social construct of “race” doesn’t have anything to do with it is a mistake. Ideally we should be colorblind. But the past actions taken by a society that mostly did believe in racial divisions need to be analyzed honestly.

Libs could dial this down a notch, but the right-wing response is currently very disproportionate IMHO.

You have no clue what's going on. It's obvious.

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29 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If it’s being presented in that way to kids, then I think that’s a problem.

A more honest and useful way to present it: We have systems that (intentionally or unintentionally) lead to worse outcomes for minorities. How can we change them in a way that’s fair to everybody?

And I think pretending the social construct of “race” doesn’t have anything to do with it is a mistake. Ideally we should be colorblind. But the past actions taken by a society that mostly did believe in racial divisions need to be analyzed honestly.

Libs could dial this down a notch, but the right-wing response is currently very disproportionate IMHO.

Some minorities. 

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37 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If it’s being presented in that way to kids, then I think that’s a problem.

A more honest and useful way to present it: We have systems that (intentionally or unintentionally) lead to worse outcomes for minorities. How can we change them in a way that’s fair to everybody?

And I think pretending the social construct of “race” doesn’t have anything to do with it is a mistake. Ideally we should be colorblind. But the past actions taken by a society that mostly did believe in racial divisions need to be analyzed honestly.

Libs could dial this down a notch, but the right-wing response is currently very disproportionate IMHO.

Fock all of this commie language.  This Country has been turned on its head, spent trillions on trying to better outcomes for minorities and it still isn't enough.  These expenditures have been extracted from people who are in no way responsible for discrimination and yet they and their children still have to pay well into the future until the next commie intellectual development arises that explains why the "systems" still aren't fair to minorities and you'll (white people) will have to pay more, one way or another.

This is is a scam wrought by people who are trying to weaken an existing group (white people) that it views as a monolith threat, despite all of the internal divisions of the group.  It is as ham-handed and racist as the wrongs it purports to right.  Lastly, race is real; you cannot smuggle in the "social construct" theory of race, again a commie idea, as fact by simple assertion.

Critical race theory is just critical theory applied to race.  It's simply a marxist technique to bias a view of something in order to change it into a grotesque version of it after marxists have gutted it.

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This is what happens when envy becomes mainstream, and there is no desire behind it to earn what you want.....normalizing such infantile behaviors is sad

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I think there are certain things that tend to support CRT’s assumptions, but it’s just a theory and doesn’t explain everything. It is being grossly mischaracterized by the right-wing outrage echo chamber though. It’s not about people being evil or racist. It’s about unintended consequences. I found this was a pretty good explanation of it. There are also some statements in the linked article about how CRT is being used as an election issue, but feel free to ignore that if you’re not interested. The explainer of CRT itself in the article was one of the more succinct I’ve seen.

https://popular.info/p/1-truth-and-3-lies-about-critical?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ0MTgzOCwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzgxMDUzMzEsIl8iOiJmbFdIVCIsImlhdCI6MTYyNDg4NDU5NywiZXhwIjoxNjI0ODg4MTk3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY2NCIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.O8r-kjhWRwTFJuWOuPWPdN6TQZzRgnU75JDIWmjHCA8

If you want to chase your leftist MSM boogeyman about all white people being evil and racist, using a blog written by some leftist blogger, do it with somebody else.  Because I didn't say that.  I'm not going to requote what I wrote:  stop being lazy and go back and reread it.  Or perhaps more accurately, read for the first time, as this response is example 87264328 that you don't read what I write.

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

If race is real, what are the races and give an example of a living person of each race.
 

Well, there's the 50 Meter, the 100 Meter, the Marathon, the half marathon.  Tell me those aren't races. 

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

If race is real, what are the races and give an example of a living person of each race.
 

You won't win any senantics/gotcha games with us.  If you want to argue race being non-existent, talk to the race hucksters on the left.  They are centering K-12 education to center on race.  

 

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11 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You are one racist motherfocker

WHY is he?

The study also found that the average IQ for African Americans was lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103,106, and 113, respectively.  Currently, the 1.1 standard deviation difference in average IQ between Blacks and Whites in the United States is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

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Blame teachers again...sigh

Its a few Karen led school boards..

[IGotWorms 4,058]

44 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

WHY is he?

The study also found that the average IQ for African Americans was lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103,106, and 113, respectively.  Currently, the 1.1 standard deviation difference in average IQ between Blacks and Whites in the United States is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

You are also a racist. HTH

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You are also a racist. HTH

Facts are racist that’s for sure

3/52

[Alias Detective 1,400]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You are also a racist. HTH

If that’s what make you feel better.  
 

Just like “ Believe All Science” until a person born with c0ck can somehow be a considered a female.  
 

bwahahahahahahah
 

 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Facts are racist that’s for sure

3/52

30 year study and its conclusions with a provided link and Worms prefers for simply call me a racist.  Fairytale land the lonely guy lives in.