Critical Race Theory

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But it's just muh history...

https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=13658

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[nobody 2,686]

I like how she laments not being able to read the room so she can fail everyone who doesn't agree.

[Voltaire 5,317]

I'm the morbidly obese, hideously ugly, disabled, impoverished, transgender Muslim black indigenous pony midget with horrible body odor and pronouns "it/its" in the classroom so she has me on her side. I just wish she had started out by acknowledging that the school was built on land stolen from my people and offering me a direct, personal apology, as well as financial reparations. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

It funny that this is the exact opposite of what @dogcowssays is making the Army so successful with their promotions.  It sounds like this high school already had anti-racist steps in place.  Do we want processes based on merit only when convenient? If Asians are kicking your a$$, just fuking do better!  If you can't, suck it up. I'm white and have no problem with 74% of Asians filling the school if they're the best.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-pta-purge-of-asians-11626128073

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2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

It funny that this is the exact opposite of what @dogcowssays is making the Army so successful with their promotions.  It sounds like this high school already had anti-racist steps in place.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-pta-purge-of-asians-11626128073

This change claims to be race-neutral, but the outcome seems to have disproportionately affected Asian students?

To be clear here: are you saying that a policy that is not explicitly racist is having a racist outcome?

Congratulations - you are an anti-racist now! That’s one of their big arguments - a policy need not be explicitly racist by specifying a certain race, but if it has racist outcomes, it is a racist policy. From the African-American Museum’s website… they talk about institutional racism:

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These institutional policies often never mention any racial group, but the intent is to create advantages.

Shall we buy you an anti-racist coffee mug now? Welcome to the club!

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

This change claims to be race-neutral, but the outcome seems to have disproportionately affected Asian students?

To be clear here: are you saying that a policy that is not explicitly racist is having a racist outcome?

Congratulations - you are an anti-racist now! That’s one of their big arguments - a policy need not be explicitly racist by specifying a certain race, but if it has racist outcomes, it is a racist policy. From the African-American Museum’s website… they talk about institutional racism:

Shall we buy you an anti-racist coffee mug now? Welcome to the club!

What isn’t racist or racism? Some examples would be nice. Thanks 

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11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What isn’t racist or racism? Some examples would be nice. Thanks 

Any policy that guarantees equal outcomes regardless of the amount of effort exerted and/or talent or intelligence a person may or may not possess. 

Everything else is racist. 

hth

[Voltaire 5,317]

Dear God.

The goal is equal treatment, equal access, equal opportunity. That everyone has a fair shot. The equality is to be had on the front end. The only way to get equal outcomes on the back end is to racially discriminate on the front end.

If the argument is that there aren’t enough black male architects, there are too many black male inmates, maybe that has nothing to do with racism and more to do with black culture. When upwards of 70% of your kids are from single parent homes, you’re going to have disproportionate sh1tty outcomes. That’s not whitey keeping them down. They’re doing that to themselves. Meanwhile Chinese, Indian, white kids have a foot in their ass to stay in line and do their homework. Do you tell those kids and parents to fock off or do you keep the feet to the fire of black parents to keep their kids in line and do their homework?

If the local school in the black ghetto sucks, that’s a legitimate problem. Here’s a voucher. Find a better school. That’s how conservatives handle this. 

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21 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Dear God.

The goal is equal treatment, equal access, equal opportunity. That everyone has a fair shot. The equality is to be had on the front end. The only way to get equal outcomes on the back end is to racially discriminate on the front end.

Exactly. And this is precisely the "anti-racism" buIIshit that people like shocows preach.

Its plain and simple, old fashioned racism, repackaged as racial justice. 

Retarded leftists fall for that chit, apparently.  

 

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20 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Dear God.

The goal is equal treatment, equal access, equal opportunity. That everyone has a fair shot. The equality is to be had on the front end. The only way to get equal outcomes on the back end is to racially discriminate on the front end.

If the argument is that there aren’t enough black male architects, there are too many black male inmates, maybe that has nothing to do with racism and more to do with black culture. When upwards of 70% of your kids are from single parent homes, you’re going to have disproportionate sh1tty outcomes. That’s not whitey keeping them down. They’re doing that to themselves. Meanwhile Chinese, Indian, white kids have a foot in their ass to stay in line and do their homework. Do you tell those kids and parents to fock off or do you keep the feet to the fire of black parents to keep their kids in line and do their homework?

If the local school in the black ghetto sucks, that’s a legitimate problem. Here’s a voucher. Find a better school. That’s how conservatives handle this. 

Yep. They need to take a simpler mind frame and then work through the details from their. What race/culture, that ended up in this country didn't do that? Other than black that is. 

 

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15 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Dear God.

The goal is equal treatment, equal access, equal opportunity. That everyone has a fair shot. The equality is to be had on the front end. The only way to get equal outcomes on the back end is to racially discriminate on the front end.

If the argument is that there aren’t enough black male architects, there are too many black male inmates, maybe that has nothing to do with racism and more to do with black culture. When upwards of 70% of your kids are from single parent homes, you’re going to have disproportionate sh1tty outcomes. That’s not whitey keeping them down. They’re doing that to themselves. Meanwhile Chinese, Indian, white kids have a foot in their ass to stay in line and do their homework. Do you tell those kids and parents to fock off or do you keep the feet to the fire of black parents to keep their kids in line and do their homework?

If the local school in the black ghetto sucks, that’s a legitimate problem. Here’s a voucher. Find a better school. That’s how conservatives handle this. 

A number of people on this forum say things similar to this, but in the same breath will say they like MLK Jr.

Try reading what he had to say about such issues. It’s pretty much the polar opposite of this.

If you believe that you are in agreement with MLK when you express opinions such as the above, you are not educated on what MLK said and wrote.

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The navy is so focking worried about crt garbage now that we actually surrendered two ships to the Iranian military and totaled another one because of lack of training

Mark Millie should be strung out

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On 7/14/2021 at 1:10 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ramona Bessinger, a middle school teacher in Rhode Island, says that CRT is ripping her school apart.  Calls it hateful and divisive and historically inaccurate . She says the district is careful not to label it as CRT. But everyone knows what it is. 

Crickets 

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On 7/14/2021 at 12:46 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

I asked him to move the truck once. No speaky English. And his presence is a problem. He undercuts American workers costing them jobs. 

Crickets 

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9 hours ago, dogcows said:

A number of people on this forum say things similar to this, but in the same breath will say they like MLK Jr.

Try reading what he had to say about such issues. It’s pretty much the polar opposite of this.

If you believe that you are in agreement with MLK when you express opinions such as the above, you are not educated on what MLK said and wrote.

MLK lived in an era with REAL segregation and REAL racial discrimination. He died a young man and society could have used his steady hand for the past 50+ years to help us transition out of that; he'd be 92 if he were alive today, but sadly, we were deprived of that. I'd like to think that he would have taken positions similar to Morgan Freeman, Carolyn Swain, Roy Innis, and others going forward. I have white working class roots and see MLK as an ally as he'd made many attempts to reach out across racial lines, althoguh I'm not sure during his lifetime (or since) that had been sufficiently appreciated.

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24 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

MLK lived in an era with REAL segregation and REAL racial discrimination. He died a young man and society could have used his steady hand for the past 50+ years to help us transition out of that; he'd be 92 if he were alive today, but sadly, we were deprived of that. I'd like to think that he would have taken positions similar to Morgan Freeman, Carolyn Swain, Roy Innis, and others going forward. I have white working class roots and see MLK as an ally as he'd made many attempts to reach out across racial lines, althoguh I'm not sure during his lifetime (or since) that had been sufficiently appreciated.

MLK didn’t think the problem would be solved anytime soon. When asked about it in a 1965 interview:

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 I confess that I do not believe this day is around the corner. The concept of supremacy is so imbedded in the white society that it will take many years for color to cease to be a judgmental factor. But it is certainly my hope and dream. Indeed, it is the keystone of my faith in the future that we will someday achieve a thoroughly integrated society.

There is still real racial discrimination. In the 1960s, northern whites wanted to feel superior to the southern whites who openly attacked black people, but although they didn’t prohibit black people from eating at certain restaurants, they were systematically excluding them from jobs and housing. Changing THAT didn’t happen overnight and is still not resolved.

But you are right that King saw that the racist systems hurting black people were also hurting white people. I think that is a good point of agreement.

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4 hours ago, dogcows said:

MLK didn’t think the problem would be solved anytime soon. When asked about it in a 1965 interview:

There is still real racial discrimination. In the 1960s, northern whites wanted to feel superior to the southern whites who openly attacked black people, but although they didn’t prohibit black people from eating at certain restaurants, they were systematically excluding them from jobs and housing. Changing THAT didn’t happen overnight and is still not resolved.

But you are right that King saw that the racist systems hurting black people were also hurting white people. I think that is a good point of agreement.

The thing is that all the real racist systems were eradicated in the 60s. You could make a case that the entirely white inner ring suburb I was born into in 1971, five years after the civil rights legislation passed , remained almost exclusively white through high school into the late 80s and early 90s, but you cannot make that case anymore. Fifty five years is a long time, and things have changed greatly in the ensuing years.

You make the claim that blacks are still systematically excluded from jobs and housing. It's absurd. Qualified minorities in pretty much every field are the most sought after demographic of all.  Which jobs and housing are they excluded from? I'd like to join you in eradicating that. All I can think of is my own field.... teaching English in China. The USA isn't responsible for that.

[nobody 2,686]

CRT is the same shìt people do where I work.  They throw up some vague excuses about why the can't get shìt done.  I ask for specifics and they can't really point to anything. 

Look.  If people are discriminating against any race by not granting loans or denying opportunities, etc, let's deal with those situations through our legal system.

The whole thing reeks of a power grab.  "I can't really give you too many significant specifics, but I do know we need to tear the system down and put me at the top."

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It’s just funny to me how they think skin color is the problem and not how they act or behave. 

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On 7/18/2021 at 8:16 AM, dogcows said:

A number of people on this forum say things similar to this, but in the same breath will say they like MLK Jr.

Try reading what he had to say about such issues. It’s pretty much the polar opposite of this.

If you believe that you are in agreement with MLK when you express opinions such as the above, you are not educated on what MLK said and wrote.

Seriously, what the hell does this have to do with his post?  He had good points about equality of outcomes and your shotgun blast response is “uhh… MLK?!”  Unfortunately @Voltaire took the bait and now you guys are quibbling about that instead of his original points.  I’m confident you won’t circle back to them so… carry on I guess.   

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20 minutes ago, nobody said:

CRT is the same shìt people do where I work.  They throw up some vague excuses about why the can't get shìt done.  I ask for specifics and they can't really point to anything. 

Look.  If people are discriminating against any race by not granting loans or denying opportunities, etc, let's deal with those situations through our legal system.

The whole thing reeks of a power grab.

Perhaps.  I mean, if you are envious of others and think you are owed something, the message of CRT is rather inviting, right?

Through excrement like CRT you are never accountable for your decisions, actions, or perhaps inaction.  When things don't go your way its always someone elses fault.  I think you can see how this kind of bullsh!t might resonate for some.

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44 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps.  I mean, if you are envious of others and think you are owed something, the message of CRT is rather inviting, right?

Through excrement like CRT you are never accountable for your decisions, actions, or perhaps inaction.  When things don't go your way its always someone elses fault.  I think you can see how this kind of bullsh!t might resonate for some.

People need to realize that no one gives a sh!t about them.  Regardless of color.  I'll say that again.  Regardless of color.  

If you're going to get ahead in this world, it's going to be because you go out and take it.  The majority of people don't go out of there way to oppress someone because they don't care.  The vast majority of interactions are simply figuring out ways in which someone else can help you achieve your goals, and once they figure out someone can't help, they're done with you.  It's not racism, everyone gets that treatment.  Black people just think it's racism because they are trained to view everything through the prism of race.

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5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Seriously, what the hell does this have to do with his post?  He had good points about equality of outcomes and your shotgun blast response is “uhh… MLK?!”  Unfortunately @Voltaire took the bait and now you guys are quibbling about that instead of his original points.  I’m confident you won’t circle back to them so… carry on I guess.   

What the hell does this post have to do with anything?

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17 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The thing is that all the real racist systems were eradicated in the 60s. You could make a case that the entirely white inner ring suburb I was born into in 1971, five years after the civil rights legislation passed , remained almost exclusively white through high school into the late 80s and early 90s, but you cannot make that case anymore. Fifty five years is a long time, and things have changed greatly in the ensuing years.

You make the claim that blacks are still systematically excluded from jobs and housing. It's absurd. Qualified minorities in pretty much every field are the most sought after demographic of all.  Which jobs and housing are they excluded from? I'd like to join you in eradicating that. All I can think of is my own field.... teaching English in China. The USA isn't responsible for that.

Some systems were removed on the 1960s... but the movement for real equality stalled out badly after MLK’s assassination and the rioting following it only made things worse. MLK had asked for $50 billion over 10 years to compensate black people in 1965. (equivalent to over $430 billion in today’s dollars). He felt that would be a good first step. That never happened.

Black people didn’t start getting offered good jobs overnight. Legal discrimination was not practiced by the government, but black people were most definitely unofficially discriminated against for many years following. Even in the 21st century we still see studies where “black-sounding” names and “white-sounding” names are put on the exact same resumes and the “white” names get picked while the “black” ones do not. It’s much better than the 1950s, but it’s still far from equal.

Things have changed for the better, but it wasn’t overnight. And outcomes are still worse for black people when compared to white people in 2021. There is still ground to cover, and both white and black people have work to do IMHO. Any action taken to reduce poverty will help all Americans.

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Some systems were removed on the 1960s... but the movement for real equality stalled out badly after MLK’s assassination and the rioting following it only made things worse. MLK had asked for $50 billion over 10 years to compensate black people in 1965. (equivalent to over $430 billion in today’s dollars). He felt that would be a good first step. That never happened.

Black people didn’t start getting offered good jobs overnight. Legal discrimination was not practiced by the government, but black people were most definitely unofficially discriminated against for many years following. Even in the 21st century we still see studies where “black-sounding” names and “white-sounding” names are put on the exact same resumes and the “white” names get picked while the “black” ones do not. It’s much better than the 1950s, but it’s still far from equal.

Things have changed for the better, but it wasn’t overnight. And outcomes are still worse for black people when compared to white people in 2021. There is still ground to cover, and both white and black people have work to do IMHO. Any action taken to reduce poverty will help all Americans.

Poverty in the United States is rare. Very rare. Let us know when people don’t have food and shelter that want it. Or schools or health care. Or clothing.  If you ever saw real poverty you would never claim it’s prevalent here. 

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On 7/4/2021 at 7:21 PM, jerryskids said:

Had you read this, you would be relieved to know that slavery and related racism topics are specifically allowed.  Page 3, lines 1-3

 

On 7/4/2021 at 7:21 PM, jerryskids said:

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7)the history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
theKuKluxKlan,andthewaysinwhichitismorallywrong;

They took that out of the Bill now. Since the Texas Dems are on vacation to Cancun Washington, DC, we will have to wait and see if the new version with that stuff taken out will pass…

 

 

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Whew!  Thank God these fine educators don't call what they are pushing "CRT" as that would be terrible.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/biden-admin-promotes-radical-group-critical-race-theory-schools

At least I learned a new lefty phrase today: "spirit murder"   (because God forbid trouble makers of color be disciplined for their actions) 

In addition to finding educators committed to disrupting Whiteness, the guide states that teachers should remove "all punitive or disciplinary practices that spirit murder Black, Brown, and Indigenous children."

 

 

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Imagine if the left had kept going after the one percent instead of going after all white people? The great deflection.  It’s working.  

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On 7/19/2021 at 7:02 PM, dogcows said:

Things have changed for the better, but it wasn’t overnight. And outcomes are still worse for black people when compared to white people in 2021. There is still ground to cover, and both white and black people have work to do IMHO. Any action taken to reduce poverty will help all Americans.

Poverty is in direct relationship to 2 parent households.  What action do you propose to to encourage something that the democrats have worked to destroy for 50 years? 

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29 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Poverty is in direct relationship to 2 parent households.  What action do you propose to to encourage something that the democrats have worked to destroy for 50 years? 

Having less than others isn’t poverty. The floor for what we call poverty in the US is incredibly high. 

[MDC 7,448]

I used to believe that the US was better than other countries. But thanks to the GC, I now know our poor people aren’t really “poor” cause they’re not barefoot and covered in flies like other countries.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

I used to believe that the US was better than other countries. But thanks to the GC, I now know our poor people aren’t really “poor” cause they’re not barefoot and covered in flies like other countries.  

Troll game is lacking these days. Do better. 

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4 hours ago, DonS said:

Whew!  Thank God these fine educators don't call what they are pushing "CRT" as that would be terrible.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/biden-admin-promotes-radical-group-critical-race-theory-schools

At least I learned a new lefty phrase today: "spirit murder"   (because God forbid trouble makers of color be disciplined for their actions) 

 

 

 

What's that, things like lynching and scalping? How do they expect those kids to learn without such disciplinary measures? 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Is crt going to teach this about American indians?

Scalping is the act of cutting or tearing a part of the human scalp, with hair attached, from the head, and generally occurred in warfare with the scalp being a trophy.^[1] Scalp-taking is considered part of the broader cultural practice of the taking and display of human body parts as trophies, and may have developed as an alternative to the taking of human heads, for scalps were easier to take, transport, and preserve for subsequent display

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22 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Is crt going to teach this about American indians?

Scalping is the act of cutting or tearing a part of the human scalp, with hair attached, from the head, and generally occurred in warfare with the scalp being a trophy.^[1] Scalp-taking is considered part of the broader cultural practice of the taking and display of human body parts as trophies, and may have developed as an alternative to the taking of human heads, for scalps were easier to take, transport, and preserve for subsequent display

Interesting.  So folks switched from collecting decapitated heads to just scalps as they're easier to display.  Too bad they didn't have Amazon back then as I'm sure they could've just shopped for "enemy head display cases". 

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38 minutes ago, DonS said:

Interesting.  So folks switched from collecting decapitated heads to just scalps as they're easier to display.  Too bad they didn't have Amazon back then as I'm sure they could've just shopped for "enemy head display cases". 

I think they had ebay. 

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9 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Poverty is in direct relationship to 2 parent households.  What action do you propose to to encourage something that the democrats have worked to destroy for 50 years? 

Slavery intentionally destroyed nuclear families among slaves. They split families up on purpose. You don’t think that has long-term effects? Don’t take it from me… Martin Luther King, Jr said:

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Slavery was so divisive and brutal, so molded to break up unity, that we never developed a sense of oneness, as in Judaism. Starting with the individual family unit, the Jewish people are closely knit into what is, in effect, one big family. But with the Negro, slavery separated families from families, and the pattern of disunity that we see among Negroes today derives directly from this cruel fact of history.

It wasn’t the Democratic policies of the last 50 years that split up families… it was the Democratic policies of the years 1776-1965 that caused the real damage.