Critical Race Theory

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2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Facts are racist that’s for sure

This is all too true and sad. Facts and statistics are hugely racist. Anyone who thinks all people are equal should never ever look into facts or reality, it can get ugly 

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13 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

30 year study and its conclusions with a provided link and Worms prefers for simply call me a racist.  Fairytale land the lonely guy lives in.

The study by itself appears to point to a problem, I do not see it as proof that Africans are simply less intelligent.

The important thing for us all is the "why", and there is no silver bullet, there will be some primary factors of course, but the truth will end up being a mix of factors, and "white people" will not be any of the top reasons.

I suggest that we all want everyone to prosper, but in truth not everyone will prosper.  We are not all equally positioned with our gifts and as a result we will not have equal outcomes.  That is the way of this world.

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The study by itself appears to point to a problem, I do not see it as proof that Africans are simply less intelligent.

The important thing for us all is the "why", and there is no silver bullet, there will be some primary factors of course, but the truth will end up being a mix of factors, and "white people" will not be any of the top reasons.

I suggest that we all want everyone to prosper, but in truth not everyone will prosper.  We are not all equally positioned with our gifts and as a result we will not have equal outcomes.  That is the way of this world.

 

The culture-only (0% genetic–100% environmental) and the hereditarian (50% genetic–50% environmental) models of the causes of mean Black–White differences in cognitive ability are compared and contrasted across 10 categories of evidence: the worldwide distribution of test scores, g factor of mental ability, heritability, brain size and cognitive ability, transracial adoption, racial admixture, regression, related life-history traits, human origins research, and hypothesized environmental vari- ables. The new evidence reviewed here points to some genetic component in Black–White differences in mean IQ. The implication for public policy is that the discrimination model (i.e., Black–White differences in socially valued outcomes will be equal barring discrimination) must be tempered by a distributional model (i.e., Black–White outcomes reflect underlying group characteristics).

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If a dog gives birth to a puppy and the puppy is smarter than the dog, how can it be posible that it’s due to genetics when the puppy only has the genetics of its parent?

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5 minutes ago, peenie said:

If a dog gives birth to a puppy and the puppy is smarter than the dog, how can it be posible that it’s due to genetics when the puppy only has the genetics of its parent?

This may be the best argument for Intelligent Design I've ever read. 

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8 minutes ago, peenie said:

If a dog gives birth to a puppy and the puppy is smarter than the dog, how can it be posible that it’s due to genetics when the puppy only has the genetics of its parent?

Ever hear of dominant and recessive genes?

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

This may be the best argument for Intelligent Design I've ever read. 

Please explain your point in simple terms because I don’t understand?

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ever hear of dominant and recessive genes?

And? Both come from parent.

(You might have done better with recombinant genes…)

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Listen, y’all can sit here and believe you all have some superior intellect over people of color if you want to but you’re only fooling yourselves. 

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7 minutes ago, peenie said:

Listen, y’all can sit here and believe you all have some superior intellect over people of color if you want to but you’re only fooling yourselves. 

Yeah, I am not on board with that premise.  I think culture is a far bigger driver than anything else.

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Worth noting that the gap between black and white test scores, IQ, earning potential etc. has narrowed in the past 50 years. 

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Just now, MDC said:

Worth noting that the gap between black and white test scores, IQ, earning potential etc. has narrowed in the past 50 years. 

Multiple years of you posting on Christmas day exposed. 

Mooo....

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Have you ever given your 2 or 3 year old your cell phone? They’re little geniuses in comparison to our old assess with their ability to navigate and use areas of the phone we never knew we had. Are they smarter than you? No. They have a technology you didn’t have and the culture allows for children to explore and be free and idle in ways not allowed in our youth. Appreciate our differences without putting each other in boxes or hierarchies.

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If Stephen Hawking was born in the 1800’s…

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So if Europeans are blessed with intelligence, what are the things the other races have that are superior to Europeans?

I wonder if Volty and Titans agree that Europeans are the intellectually superior race. I’d be shocked if Volty could look at his children and see them as a race. 

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4 minutes ago, peenie said:

Have you ever given your 2 or 3 year old your cell phone? They’re little geniuses in comparison to our old assess with their ability to navigate and use areas of the phone we never knew we had. Are they smarter than you? No. They have a technology you didn’t have and the culture allows for children to explore and be free and idle in ways not allowed in our youth. Appreciate our differences without putting each other in boxes or hierarchies.

2 year olds are navigating cell phones?

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2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

2 year olds are navigating cell phones?

Heck yeah! You must not have a toddler. Give your phone to a youngster and watch them go.

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

Heck yeah! You must not have a toddler. 

You do?

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

You do?

No, but my nephews and all children! Are you all not around kids? They love cell phones.

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2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Heck yeah! You must not have a toddler. Give your phone to a youngster and watch them go.

So if I give a 2 year old my password to get into my phone, and ask them to update security settings, they are off and running. Nice.

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

No, but my nephews and all children! Are you all not around kids? They love cell phones.

I'm not giving a 2 year old computer genius my phone so they can see all the porn on it.  

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35 minutes ago, peenie said:

And? Both come from parent.

(You might have done better with recombinant genes…)

Not every child is smarter than their parents.  Not every parent is smarter than their children.  Sometimes the kids get the dominant gene, sometimes the recessive.  That's all I'm saying.  Times change.  Information changes.  Just because you THINK someone's kids are smarter than their parent, say because the kid has a college degree and the parent doesn't, it doesn't mean that the kid is smarter... it just means they had a better opportunity.

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30 minutes ago, MDC said:

Worth noting that the gap between black and white test scores, IQ, earning potential etc. has narrowed in the past 50 years. 

Well that's common sense as opportunity has increased substantially.  Though, at the rate the Left seems to think that black people are more oppressed today than 50 years, you'd think that would be unlikely.

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6 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

30 year study and its conclusions with a provided link and Worms prefers for simply call me a racist.  Fairytale land the lonely guy lives in.

There's no such study. Any researcher who tried looking into something like this would not get funding, would get booted out of academic circles and cancelled on every speaking tour engagement. Charles Murray gets bashed over the head, academic reputation aswell as career ruined for even bringing up tangental issues gingerly. This researcher would be ostracized at a level of Charles Murray x 10. 

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4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Not every child is smarter than their parents.  Not every parent is smarter than their children.  Sometimes the kids get the dominant gene, sometimes the recessive.  That's all I'm saying.  Times change.  Information changes.  Just because you THINK someone's kids are smarter than their parent, say because the kid has a college degree and the parent doesn't, it doesn't mean that the kid is smarter... it just means they had a better opportunity.

Europeans are simply Africans so how could they be genetically more intelligent when they inherited their genes from their African forefathers.

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4 hours ago, peenie said:

So if Europeans are blessed with intelligence, what are the things the other races have that are superior to Europeans?

I wonder if Volty and Titans agree that Europeans are the intellectually superior race. I’d be shocked if Volty could look at his children and see them as a race. 

I would never go there. I've seen too many black people smarter than me, and at the top of their field over the years. 

 

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Just found out that highways are racist too. Pete Buttegeg told me. 

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14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I would never go there. I've seen too many black people smarter than me, and at the top of their field over the years. 

 

Like which genes did your kids inherit from you that makes them intellectually or athletically superior to their peers?

I believe there are traits that make us better than one another but I just don’t believe those traits travel with skin color or hair texture or nose shape. 
I’m black but I can’t play any team sport well and I can’t dance or twerk. I can’t sing or fight. 

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Just now, peenie said:

Like which genes did your kids inherit from you that makes them intellectually or athletically superior to their peers?

I believe there are traits that make us better than one another but I just don’t believe those traits travel with skin color or hair texture or nose shape. 
I’m black but I can’t pay any team sports and I can’t dance or twerk. I can’t sing or fight. 

You have a couple of feathers in your cap. You raised a daughter successfully and landed a job in a prestigueous industry. 

My eldest daughter entering grade eight, essentially won the gene lottery. She's everything you could want across every metric and has everything going on at the top level: health, looks, academic success,  athleticism, leadership in her peer group, temperment, self esteem/confidence, strong work ethic. If anything, too much hubris. My youngest daughter, entering third grade is very similar except without the atheletic or leadership skills. Both girls are thriving in school, near the top of their classes.

Then there's my son. My son is essentially Me 2.0 in almost every way. He's actually the smartest of the three. In school, he picks up things the first time without much effort nor a need to study. He understands everything. But he's lazy, his work ethic sucks, he's easily distracted when doing homework, finishing homework requires a constant foot up his ass, and his grades aren't impressive. His confidence is shot and his self esteem is low. I'm pulling him out of the Chinese school system, I've found an online school for him and a scholarship which makes it affordable. I'm also putting him into Boy Scouts, which is a chore since we're so far from any troop; there's one in Chengdu, a lot of expats live there. We need to do some outdoor activities and build up some ethics and American pride. I know the SJWs have infiltrated even Boy Scouts, but I'm hopeful the organization still has enough traditional values anyway and I got some hope from checking out/luking in a Scouting forum the last couple of weeks.

 

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12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

If you want to chase your leftist MSM boogeyman about all white people being evil and racist, using a blog written by some leftist blogger, do it with somebody else.  Because I didn't say that.  I'm not going to requote what I wrote:  stop being lazy and go back and reread it.  Or perhaps more accurately, read for the first time, as this response is example 87264328 that you don't read what I write.

I didn’t accuse you of participating in the right-wing echo chamber; I was simply pointing out that the version of CRT being bandied about by Fox and The Daily Wire is an absurd caricature of the actual theory. I absolutely read what you wrote. Sorry my response wasn’t what you expected or wanted. And in my post, I specifically said CRT is NOT about white people being evil and racist. Funny how you accused me of talking past you while you just did exactly that yourself.

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Just jumping in here at the end of 9 pages with no intention of reading them.

 I’ll say that I know a handful of Africans and they’re certainly intellectually equal to Caucasians.

 I can’t say the same for African Americans, who seem to be largely morons.

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1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

I can’t say the same for African Americans, who seem to be largely morons.

It’s hundreds of years in the making MLCKAA. We were treated and existed no different than farm animals (unless you had a skill or were favored) while slaves and then ostracized and now maligned. You’ve got some people who manage and some who are flip flopping through life.

Just read Volty’s post and imagine if his children were being raised without a father in a crappy neighborhood with no father. Who would protect his beautiful daughters from the constant attention of boys and keep them focused on school and there are few activities for girls other than track or basketball. How would his son fare with all the distractions the street would provide, would he ever graduate high school? 

It’s not ONLY genetics. 

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10 hours ago, peenie said:

Europeans are simply Africans so how could they be genetically more intelligent when they inherited their genes from their African forefathers.

You're assuming they're all more intelligent.  That's not the case.  Some are definitely less intelligent.

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11 minutes ago, peenie said:

It’s not ONLY genetics. 

I suggest its nothing at all to do with "genetics".

In the past people were treated rather poorly, some more than others.  And we see here in this nation the folly of it.  For over 100 years you had groups of "others" suffocated, and today we now have to deal with the fallout from those behaviors.  Of course "we" did not experience it or do it, but we can fix it.  

Trump started the actual fix, get people employed. Socioeconomic mobility in this nation is the thing, working, earning, getting some self respect from it. Its everything.

But leftists and Democrats have been telling the AA community for years that they are less, cannot compete, need to be lifted up because the system in which EVERY OTHER MINORITY flourishes is something in which they cannot compete.  Its focking disgusting.

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10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're assuming they're all more intelligent.  That's not the case.  Some are definitely less intelligent.

True.  The Polish Navy put screen doors on their submarines. 

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47 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Trump started the actual fix, get people employed. Socioeconomic mobility in this nation is the thing, working, earning, getting some self respect from it. Its everything.

But leftists and Democrats have been telling the AA community for years that they are less, cannot compete, need to be lifted up because the system in which EVERY OTHER MINORITY flourishes is something in which they cannot compete.  Its focking disgusting.

You know, I agree with this 200%. Trump would still be in office today if he were more savvy about courting minority voters instead of clinging to his racist supporters like the Proud Boys.

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

You know, I agree with this 200%. Trump would still be in office today if he were more savvy about courting minority voters instead of clinging to his racist supporters like the Proud Boys.

The proud boys aren’t racist. They’re misogynists. 

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8 hours ago, dogcows said:

I specifically said CRT is NOT about white people being evil and racist. 

Evil?  That word isn't thrown around much.  But racist?  Absolutely.  CRT is rooted in the idea that our country was founded on racist principles, and white people participating in those systems today, are racists.

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25 minutes ago, peenie said:

You know, I agree with this 200%. Trump would still be in office today if he were more savvy about courting minority voters instead of clinging to his racist supporters like the Proud Boys.

You may be correct, I believe I read that the AA vote increased for him in that election. It was the mail in voting and the ability to conduct fraud that I think was the biggest problem for him, that and MSM getting better at propaganda.

Frankly, if he strengthens this country I do not care who he does not condemn.  He could support antifa and BLM just so long as the material outcomes for the average citizen were positive.

This business of pretending things like the proud boys matter is part of the cycle that ensures progress is not made.

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7 hours ago, dogcows said:

I didn’t accuse you of participating in the right-wing echo chamber; I was simply pointing out that the version of CRT being bandied about by Fox and The Daily Wire is an absurd caricature of the actual theory. I absolutely read what you wrote. Sorry my response wasn’t what you expected or wanted. And in my post, I specifically said CRT is NOT about white people being evil and racist. Funny how you accused me of talking past you while you just did exactly that yourself.

If you don't want to trust Fox News or The Daily Wire, perhaps you'd prefer the fomer newspaper Washington Post, where nowadays, Democracy Dies in Darkness. This is from a week ago. I especially like the dingbat "trauma therapist" starting at 2:17. Do you want her providing trauma therapy to your kids? Well, possibly you'd love it, I don't know, you tell me, but the rest of us run in terror at the notion at this brainwashed freak getting anywhere near our kids. Do you want anybody talking like her working in schools?  And then there's the sexy but condescending black journalist presiding over the white liberals as they flagellate themselves in their confessions, seeking to be absolved of their whitness sins.

 This stuff is insidious and it infects every academic field, especially teaching, where it's applied deeply everywhere. And liberals have no immunity to it. White is bad, American history is bad, and that's why you don't care when George Washington and Abraham Lincoln statues are torn down, to be replaced with George Floyd memorials.

Can't we all just see each other as equals? It's white conservatives who treat blacks as equals. White liberals treat them as retards. Again, a link to the former newspaper where Democracy Dies in Darkness: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends/