Andrew Yang makes the case for universal basic income

[edjr 6,599]

 

Not saying I agree with Yang, but good on Shapiro for giving him time to discuss.

[posty 2,702]

Do you have a transcript version?  Really don't want to watch a 20+ minute video and would rather just skim what was said...

Thanks...

[edjr 6,599]

4 minutes ago, posty said:

Do you have a transcript version?  Really don't want to watch a 20+ minute video and would rather just skim what was said...

Thanks...

That is 20 minutes long. 

here is the entire thing. 1+ hour

 

[posty 2,702]

Just now, edjr said:

That is 20 minutes long. 

here is the entire thing. 1+ hour

 

Oof...  Thanks, would rather watch the 20 minute than the hour plus one...

[edjr 6,599]

1 minute ago, posty said:

Oof...  Thanks, would rather watch the 20 minute than the hour plus one...

It's a good watch. I don't agree with it, but I like to hear other opinions and what people say. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

Yang is living in a fantasy world.  He's trying to equate the pipeline, to which Alaska has control over to Big Tech which isn't a public entity.  He says that since Alaska can have a UBI of $1-$2k per month, the country could as well.  The coloration is ridiculous.  If Big Tech was owned by the government, then he'd have a point, but it's not... they're privately owned.

Here's the other kicker... it won't actually help the poor people.  You would have to enroll in this program.  If you do, your forfeit all social benefits, i.e., welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc.  Well, why would those people take the UBI?  They're better off on government assistance and working under the table jobs.  His thinking is that someone on government assistance will go out and get jobs knowing they'll still get the $12k without having to worry about earning too much.  Yeah, in a fantasy world that'll work.  What jobs does he think those people are going to get?  They're going to get minimum wage jobs.  Jobs, that he says are going away.  He claims that companies like Amazon are eliminating retail jobs... which he says are the biggest employer in the country.  Ok, so now where are these people going to work them?  McDonald's?

He complains that Amazon paid $0 in federal taxes last year.  Tell me again what political party they support?

In a nutshell, he wants the money to come from Big Tech to pay people $1k per month.  Since Big Tech is privately owned and they control their income, they're simply going to raise the costs of their products to cover the money they're paying for the UBI.  For some reason either Yang doesn't see this or chooses to ignore it.  I'm thinking the latter.  He's going to need to create victims (the Democrat agenda), in order to become needed.

Oh, and he's blaming Trump too.  That's in the 1 hour clip.  Can't be a Democrat and not find a reason to blame Trump.

[Old School 360]

There already is a universal income available-

Its called get a focking job. 
 

If you don't like your job or desire more income, learn more skills and get a better focking job.

Why is that so focking hard to comprehend? 
I once working at a fast food joint running the fryolater. I didn’t make enough money so I got a better job- but that was when I was a damn kid.

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

It's a good watch. I don't agree with it, but I like to hear other opinions and what people say. 

Agreed, agree or disagree with either but these are two intelligent men discussing / arguing actual policy. A breath of fresh air from the OMB and Race!&@! that has permeated all aspects of politics the past 5 years 

[edjr 6,599]

43 minutes ago, Old School said:

There already is a universal income available-

Its called get a focking job. 
 

If you don't like your job or desire more income, learn more skills and get a better focking job.

Why is that so focking hard to comprehend? 
I once working at a fast food joint running the fryolater. I didn’t make enough money so I got a better job- but that was when I was a damn kid.

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

[Utilit99 4,099]

yang can fock off.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I’ve always been a proponent of a UBI. However it is INSTEAD of social security, food stamps, unemployment, on and on.  It’d be a money saver in just simplification / administration costs alone.  
 

i.e.  every person over 18 gets $1,200 a month.  But there is no food stamps or welfare or unemployment. 

[edjr 6,599]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I’ve always been a proponent of a UBI. However it is INSTEAD of social security, food stamps, unemployment, on and on.  It’d be a money saver in just simplification / administration costs alone.  
 

i.e.  every person over 18 gets $1,200 a month.  But there is no food stamps or welfare or unemployment. 

Much easier to keep track of. They sell EBT for cash anyway to buy the drugs and other sh!t they want

[Utilit99 4,099]

Get or create a job or be broke. 

Capitalism is the answer and is what made America great.

[Fireballer 2,642]

7 minutes ago, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

There's many choices she made along the way to put herself in an unskilled, unemployed position.  Unless she's a complete idiot, divorced and unemployed had to be an outcome that she considered. 

[edjr 6,599]

Just now, Fireballer said:

There's many choices she made along the way to put herself in an unskilled, unemployed position.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

Just now, edjr said:

Call me a clown, but not a liar.  I can live with that.

[Utilit99 4,099]

14 minutes ago, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

What about women in Europe in the middle ages? Let's address that since we are living in the past.

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

20 minutes ago, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

She's probably going to make more from child support and alimony than any job she'd get.

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28 minutes ago, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

You mean my Mom?  I thought that was why we have alimony. 

[Gladiators 1,992]

WTF Ed? You don’t agree with him, but what about the ugly middle-age mom who can’t get a job? 

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58 minutes ago, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

Kids can step up

 

[Mookz 1,349]

3 hours ago, posty said:

Oof...  Thanks, would rather watch the 20 minute than the hour plus one...

Anytime I'm watching a wudeo simply for information, I bump the speed up a few notches.  You can usually go 1.5x or 1.75x and still understand everything, and get out of there a lot quicker.  Hit shift + period to increase the speed and shift + comma to decrease.  

[posty 2,702]

11 minutes ago, Mookz said:

Anytime I'm watching a wudeo simply for information, I bump the speed up a few notches.  You can usually go 1.5x or 1.75x and still understand everything, and get out of there a lot quicker.  Hit shift + period to increase the speed and shift + comma to decrease.  

Thanks for the tip...

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42 minutes ago, posty said:

Thanks for the tip...

Had you typed "Thanks for the tip + shift ..." we could have all read that a lot quicker.

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On 5/5/2021 at 2:55 PM, edjr said:

 

Not saying I agree with Yang, but good on Shapiro for giving him time to discuss.

I thoroughly enjoyed that interview and really liked Shapiro for the very first time. Marriage and a son has really calmed him. 

Isn't Alaska the state with the highest crime rate? 

[DonS 3,292]

On 5/5/2021 at 1:49 PM, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

One of my favorite quotes that I would often say to my kids:

When they got old enough and we watched Caddyshack together they were like "so that's where that came from!"

I've always used this one as well:

Judge Smails is basically a modern day Plato or Socrates.

 

 

[Old School 360]

On 5/5/2021 at 3:49 PM, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

Again- get a fockin job. Wait tables, tend bar, receptionist, factory worker. 
 

Or, we can all work extra hours so the government can “give” her a new home, phone, car, insurance AND a basic salary for staying home.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

On 5/5/2021 at 4:49 PM, edjr said:

What about a woman who never went to college and was married and stayed home to raise the kids and is now 45 and divorced and the kids are out the house?

Can size please. 

[Old School 360]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Can size please. 

(.)(.)

[edjr 6,599]

10 hours ago, Old School said:

(.)(.)

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[tubby_mcgee 701]

Giving everyone monthly income...another form of socialism. 
Same as Bombas brand socks.
Same as raising the minimum wage.

All forms of taking from the money earners and giving to the waistoids. 

 

[lod001 1,344]

26 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Giving everyone monthly income...another form of socialism. 
Same as Bombas brand socks.
Same as raising the minimum wage.

All forms of taking from the money earners and giving to the waistoids. 

 

Ya gotta do it right.

Hopefully it's coming. You take from the welfare losers and give to those that work as additional income.

The welfare baby factory losers simply get $ to put their babies in daycare and MUST work to receive any additional income. That's how you stop the cycle of democrat voters.

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

13 hours ago, peenie said:

Isn't Alaska the state with the highest crime rate? 

Be careful... this is at least the second post where you're "Alt-right".  According to Democrats like AOC, the reason there's crime is because of poverty.  If UBI fixes poverty (like the Left likes to pretend), and Alaska still has a crime rate, then you're "blaming victim".  That's what the alt-right does (in their eyes).

[peenie 1,915]

51 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Be careful... this is at least the second post where you're "Alt-right".  According to Democrats like AOC, the reason there's crime is because of poverty.  If UBI fixes poverty (like the Left likes to pretend), and Alaska still has a crime rate, then you're "blaming victim".  That's what the alt-right does (in their eyes).

 

Metropolitan Statistical Area	Violent crime rate per 100,000 inhabitnats
Anchorage, AK	1,194.6
Memphis, TN-MS-AR	1,120.5
Albuquerque, NM	1,043.4
Danville, IL	935.7
Pine Bluff, AR	895.4
Odessa, TX	881.8
Alexandria, LA	849.2
Lubbock, TX	838.5
Florence, SC	823.4
Monroe, LA	812.5
Fairbanks, AK	794.5
Stockton, CA	788.5
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR	782.3

 

Notice: Chicago is not on the list.

One thing Trump was 100% right about: Fake News

Another graph from another site

[IGotWorms 4,058]

14 hours ago, peenie said:

I thoroughly enjoyed that interview and really liked Shapiro for the very first time. Marriage and a son has really calmed him. 

Isn't Alaska the state with the highest crime rate? 

I don’t think you can draw many conclusions from the crime rate. Alaska is the end of the line. You get all types up there, mostly adventurers but also anti social types and people running from something (the law, their circumstances in life, etc). Plus, serial killers. Oh yeah also the military and oil are a huge presence with often tough types who are just passing through.

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

 

Metropolitan Statistical Area	Violent crime rate per 100,000 inhabitnats
Anchorage, AK	1,194.6
Memphis, TN-MS-AR	1,120.5
Albuquerque, NM	1,043.4
Danville, IL	935.7
Pine Bluff, AR	895.4
Odessa, TX	881.8
Alexandria, LA	849.2
Lubbock, TX	838.5
Florence, SC	823.4
Monroe, LA	812.5
Fairbanks, AK	794.5
Stockton, CA	788.5
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR	782.3

 

Notice: Chicago is not on the list.

One thing Trump was 100% right about: Fake News

You misunderstood.  I wasn't saying that you were wrong about Alaska crime rate... I was actually just assuming you were right.

My point was that the Left thinks poverty causes crime.  They also think that UBI would fixes poverty.  As Yang points out, Alaska has had a UBI for 37 years.  Apparently that hasn't helped in Alaska.  You pointing out that a Leftist policy (UBI), doesn't work (Alaska highest crime rate in the country), you would be painted as alt-right, in the minds of the Democrat party.

Alaska is exactly why conservatives say UBI won't work.  The normal Democrat protocol is "Our idea isn't wrong, we just need to invest more money in it".  If we instituted $1k UBI tomorrow, by 2026 it would be $1500.  In 10 years, it'll be $2k... because "inflation".  Ignoring the fact that the UBI caused the inflation.  It's how the Dems roll.

[peenie 1,915]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think you can draw many conclusions from the crime rate. Alaska is the end of the line. You get all types up there, mostly adventurers but also anti social types and people running from something (the law, their circumstances in life, etc). Plus, serial killers. Oh yeah also the military and oil are a huge presence with often tough types who are just passing through.

I wasn't making any conclusions other than the fact that putting $1000 in a person's pocket doesn't seem to reduce crime since Alaska has such a high violent crime rate. 

ETA,

I understand your point that which is that Alaska attracts a certain type of individual so therefore the crime rate would be high no matter what because those that live there tend to be different, outsiders, non-conformists, loners, serial killers (lol).

[peenie 1,915]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You misunderstood.  I wasn't saying that you were wrong about Alaska crime rate... I was actually just assuming you were right.

My point was that the Left thinks poverty causes crime.  They also think that UBI would fixes poverty.  As Yang points out, Alaska has had a UBI for 37 years.  Apparently that hasn't helped in Alaska.  You pointing out that a Leftist policy (UBI), doesn't work (Alaska highest crime rate in the country), you would be painted as alt-right, in the minds of the Democrat party.

Alaska is exactly why conservatives say UBI won't work.  The normal Democrat protocol is "Our idea isn't wrong, we just need to invest more money in it".  If we instituted $1k UBI tomorrow, by 2026 it would be $1500.  In 10 years, it'll be $2k... because "inflation".  Ignoring the fact that the UBI caused the inflation.  It's how the Dems roll.

Oh, lol! We are in agreement. 

[edjr 6,599]

give me a yang!

[Voltaire 5,317]

On 5/5/2021 at 5:48 PM, Mookz said:

Anytime I'm watching a wudeo simply for information, I bump the speed up a few notches.  You can usually go 1.5x or 1.75x and still understand everything, and get out of there a lot quicker.  Hit shift + period to increase the speed and shift + comma to decrease.  

Do that to Ben Shapiro and he becomes the guy in the last five seconds of a radio ad.