Ukraine - Doomsday

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37 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

k so we could start them give funding to Ukraine and they can spend it wherever they want...awesome

 

And this justifies the invasion?

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1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

1.  You wouldn't be concerned if a country bordering yours was going to join a military alliance that is hostile to you?  Come on.  Why does NATO even exist nowadays?

When the hell has NATO been hostile to Russia?

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6 minutes ago, vomit said:

And this justifies the invasion?

Is that what I said?  I think I’ve been pretty clear since day 1. I don’t give a fock about Russia or Ukraine 

[Cdub100 3,935]

19 minutes ago, nobody said:

When the hell has NATO been hostile to Russia?

Well the superpower in NATO seems to blame Russia for every time one of their members of a certain political party fails. This same superpower has put economic sanctions on Russia and continues to collect member states on the border and position military equipment and personnel. These are just a couple of examples off the top of my head.

It's weird how people just automatically default to USA good Russia bad.

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It's weird how you guys are justifying an invasion of a neighboring country.  

Mexico keeps sending an illegal invasion force and illegal drugs over the border and the corrupt government allows cartels to commit terrorism against their own citizens.  I suppose you think we'd be justified invading Mexico?

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1 minute ago, nobody said:

It's weird how you guys are justifying an invasion of a neighboring country.  

Mexico keeps sending an illegal invasion force and illegal drugs over the border and the corrupt government allows cartels to commit terrorism against their own citizens.  I suppose you think we'd be justified invading Mexico?

Invade? No. 

 

Nuke? Yes. 

[Gladiators 1,995]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

It's weird how you guys are justifying an invasion of a neighboring country.  

Mexico keeps sending an illegal invasion force and illegal drugs over the border and the corrupt government allows cartels to commit terrorism against their own citizens.  I suppose you think we'd be justified invading Mexico?

Who’s with me?

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6 minutes ago, nobody said:

It's weird how you guys are justifying an invasion of a neighboring country.  

Mexico keeps sending an illegal invasion force and illegal drugs over the border and the corrupt government allows cartels to commit terrorism against their own citizens.  I suppose you think we'd be justified invading Mexico?

We wouldn’t have to invade to stop it. Just like Putin should have used his leverage to get what he wants instead of invading. Doesn’t mean that NATO hasn’t been expanding eastward despite giving assurances they wouldn’t. Don’t disregard the crazy brutal dictator with nukes. Telling us for years that Putin is dangerous and then not taking that into account didn’t work out. This wasn’t a sneak attack. 

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22 minutes ago, vomit said:

And this justifies the invasion?

You are one simple bastard. 

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16 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Well the super power in NATO seems to blame Russia for everytime one of their members of a certain political party fails. This same super power has put economic sanctions on Russia and continues to collect member states on the boarder and positioning military equipment and personal. This is just a couple examples of the top of my head.

It's weird how people just automatically default to USA good Russia bad.

Just go join the Russian troops.

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17 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Well the super power in NATO seems to blame Russia for everytime one of their members of a certain political party fails. This same super power has put economic sanctions on Russia and continues to collect member states on the boarder and positioning military equipment and personal. This is just a couple examples of the top of my head.

It's weird how people just automatically default to USA good Russia bad.

This was in response to Russia's aggression and invasion, not the other way around.

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12 minutes ago, nobody said:

It's weird how you guys are justifying an invasion of a neighboring country.  

Mexico keeps sending an illegal invasion force and illegal drugs over the border and the corrupt government allows cartels to commit terrorism against their own citizens.  I suppose you think we'd be justified invading Mexico?

We thought it was justified to Invade Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan Vietnam, Korea. The CIA runs operations all over the world installing and removing leaders who do not align with "our" interest.

So sorry I don't see the point you're trying to make.

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Just now, Gepetto said:

This was in response to Russia's aggression and invasion, not the other way around.

Didn’t work. 

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1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

This was in response to Russia's aggression and invasion, not the other way around.

It's a back and forth that has been going on since the end of WW2. There's no one event anyone can point to.

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3 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Just go join the Russian troops.

You go join the Ukraine troops.

I don't give a sh1t for either side and want us to stay out.

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t work. 

Agreed.

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Biden set up a phone hotline to talk to the Russians we’ve got them now!

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3 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Agreed.

So maybe the west should have recalibrated and tried a different approach? A stalemate would have been a much better compromise. I wonder if Ukraine has any regrets right now? They were obviously used. Lots of connected elitists used them as a piggy bank. I’m sure they told them they had their back. They don’t. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

So maybe the west should have recalibrated and tried a different approach. A stalemate would have been a much better compromise. I wonder if Ukraine has any regrets right now? They were obviously used. Lots of connected elitists used them as a piggy bank. I’m sure they told them they had their back. Guess not. 

I do NOT agree with the United States' foreign policy.  Not during Bush, Obama, and Biden, and maybe more.

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-media-c35dd0f30eb55d831e81cd222cc34c07

Associated Press journalists around Ukraine and beyond are documenting military activity during Russia’s invasion. With disinformation rife and social media amplifying military claims and counterclaims, determining exactly what is happening can be difficult. Here’s a look at what could be confirmed Thursday as Russia’s war on Ukraine was in its eighth day.

DIRECTLY WITNESSED

— Zainish Hussain, a Pakistani citizen who moved to Kherson after marrying a Ukrainian woman, told the AP by video from his home about the Russian takeover of the city, which he said was the “scariest day of his life.” He said Russian tanks rolled down his block and soldiers fired into the air to get civilians to clear the street, which he showed was now empty.

— AP reporters surveyed destruction in the village of Gorenka, which lies on the outskirts of Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, and has found itself in the crossfire. Residents said a Russian plane bombed the village early Wednesday, destroying several homes.

— AP reporters in Kyiv heard at least one overnight explosion before videos started circulating online of apparent strikes on the city, though targets were not immediately clear. Kyiv’s mayor said the explosions were missiles being shot down by Ukraine’s air defense systems.

— People, mostly women, children and the elderly, were seen fleeing Ukraine for neighboring European nations by foot and packed into trains. Some of those leaving amid the cold gripping Eastern Europe also have serious mental and physical disabilities.

ANNOUNCED BY UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES

— Russian troops entered the southern city of Enerhodar, a major energy hub on the Dnieper River in southern Ukraine that is the site of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant and that accounts for about one-quarter of the country’s power generation. The mayor said Ukrainian and Russian forces were battling for control of the city. Verified video showed people there streaming away from a billowing inferno.

— Shelling was reported in the northern city of Chernihiv, where Ukrainian emergency officials said at least 33 civilians were killed and 18 were wounded in a Russian bombardment of a residential area. They said the search of the rubble for additional casualties was suspended because shelling resumed.

— Zelenskyy claimed in his address that 9,000 Russians have been killed since the invasion. It was impossible to verify the claim. Russia said Wednesday that nearly 500 of its troops had been killed since the Feb. 24 start of the invasion.

— The general staff of Ukraine’s armed forces said Russian forces “did not achieve the main goal of capturing Mariupol,” a crucial city on the Azov Sea. The regional governor said Thursday that the city’s access to electricity, water, heating and food had been cut, and he described the siege as punishing.

ANNOUNCED BY RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES

— Speaking at a meeting with members of his Security Council, Putin accused Ukrainian nationalist groups of preventing civilians from leaving and using them as human shields. The claim couldn’t be independently verified.

— The Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency said Russia claims that its military has taken control of the area around Ukraine’s largest nuclear power plant. Russia had already seized control of the decommissioned Chernobyl nuclear power plant, which was the site of the world’s worst nuclear disaster.

ANNOUNCED BY OFFICIALS IN THE U.S. AND ELSEWHERE

— The U.N. human rights office said at least 227 civilians have been killed and 525 wounded in Ukraine since the start of the invasion on Feb. 24, though it acknowledged that is a vast undercount.

— German news agency dpa reported that the country’s economy ministry approved sending 2,700 anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. The weapons are Soviet-made, shoulder-fired Strela surface-to-air missiles left over from East German army supplies. Berlin had already authorized sending 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine.

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Just now, Gepetto said:

I do NOT agree with the United States' foreign policy.  Not during Bush, Obama, and Biden, and maybe more.

The west, including the US, focked them. Took the money and left them hanging when the Wolf came. I dare anyone  to convince me I’m wrong. 

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On 3/3/2022 at 1:53 AM, TheNewGirl said:

I found this interesting: 

 

Here's why some countries in the Middle East aren't condemning Russia for invading Ukraine

By CNN's Nadeen Ebrahim

The United Arab Emirates surprised its Western allies last week when it abstained on a US-drafted United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The move amounted to a declaration of neutrality from one of America's closest Middle East allies in a war that has polarized the international community.

Anwar Gargash, adviser to the UAE president, said taking sides "would only lead to more violence," and that the UAE's priority is "to encourage all parties to resort to diplomatic action and to negotiate to find a political solution."

The war in Ukraine, which began less than two months after the UAE took a seat at the Security Council, has thrust the country's changing foreign policy onto the world stage, showing how the Gulf state tries to juggle its ties between traditional allies and burgeoning partnerships. It also demonstrates the struggle faced by the West in getting unequivocal condemnation of Russia's invasion from its allies.

The UAE called for a "peaceful solution" to the "Ukraine crisis in a way that guarantees the interests and national security of all parties," the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi said in a phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday. They also discussed energy cooperation.

Other Arab states have also refrained from condemning Russia's invasion. Saudi Arabia, which counts Russia as its main partner in the OPEC+ alliance to coordinate oil output, said Tuesday it "supports international de-escalation efforts in Ukraine."

The Arab League on Monday also called for de-escalation and restraint in a joint communique. Neither has condemned Russia's aggression in Ukraine.

"The UAE [shouldn't] be projected as a puppet of the United States anymore," said Abdulkhaleq Abdulla, a political science professor in the UAE. "Just because we have such great relations with America, we do not take orders from Washington, and we have to do things consistent with our own strategy and priority."

The UAE's apparent paving of an independent foreign policy comes amid Abu Dhabi's frustration with the Biden administration's treatment of issues of significance to the Gulf nation. Soon after Biden came to office, he removed the Iran-backed Houthi rebels from Yemen from the US list of terrorist organizations. Less than a year later, the Houthis have begun a campaign of fatal strikes on Abu Dhabi. The US has pledged to bolster UAE defenses, but Abu Dhabi wants a redesignation of the Houthis as terrorists.

In December, the UAE suspended talks for a $23 billion deal with the US to acquire F-35 fighter jets after the talks were stalled by the administration. Then, last month, it announced that it was buying fighter jets from China for the first time ever.

Meanwhile, ties with Moscow have only grown stronger.

Read the full report here.

Fascinating and enlightening reading thanks for posting. The UAE's putting the US at arm's length looks like it has a great deal to do with Biden's* Middle East policy. Under different circumstances, it would likely have been easier to get them on board.

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The Munich security conference was held Feb 18-20 to address the situation in Ukraine. This is what Kamala Harris had to say:  “We admire Zelenskyy’s desire to join NATO”.  

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53 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Well the superpower in NATO seems to blame Russia for every time one of their members of a certain political party fails. This same superpower has put economic sanctions on Russia and continues to collect member states on the border and position military equipment and personnel. These are just a couple of examples off the top of my head.

It's weird how people just automatically default to USA good Russia bad.

Russia does far worse to its own people and others than our government does to ours. Its government has a history of killing and wrongly imprisoning tens of millions of its people. 

Case in point?

We're free to come to this forum and say almost whatever the fock we want about Biden, Trump, the government, whatever. We can peacefully protest all we want. Our Constitution gives that right.

Russia is oppressive.

We're dysfunctional, but not anywhere near that level.

So, yes, Russia is the bad guy and always has been. 

Our worldwide federal humanitarian aid in 2021 was $13 billion, and that doesn't count all the U.S.-based churches and humanitarian non-profits helping needy people around the glob.

I couldn't find anything close to this that Russia does, but I did find this Russian News Service propaganda piece:

https://tass.com/politics/1415617?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

Sure, we have a lot of government fockery and shenanigans in our history, but we do a lot of great things for the world while Russia focuses on where it can get some kind of geopolitical gain.

Comparing tyranny and oppression to a free society - which we focking are relative to them - is ridiculous. 

If you think Russia is the good guy, go live there and get back to me.

I'd like to see Voltaire stop casting rocks at the United States for a second and talk about what it's like living in China.

At least he gets to post here, but can he criticize China without some commie keystroke monitors descending on his home and dragging him off to some prison camp for reprogramming. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Russia does far worse to its own people and others than our government does to ours. Its government has a history of killing and wrongly imprisoning tens of millions of its people. 

Case in point?

We're free to come to this forum and say almost whatever the fock we want about Biden, Trump, the government, whatever. We can peacefully protest all we want. Our Constitution gives that right.

Russia is oppressive.

We're dysfunctional, but not anywhere near that level.

So, yes, Russia is the bad guy and always has been. 

Our worldwide federal humanitarian aid in 2021 was $13 billion, and that doesn't count all the U.S.-based churches and humanitarian non-profits helping needy people around the glob.

I couldn't find anything close to this that Russia does, but I did find this Russian News Service propaganda piece:

https://tass.com/politics/1415617?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

Sure, we have a lot of government fockery and shenanigans in our history, but we do a lot of great things for the world while Russia focuses on where it can get some kind of geopolitical gain.

Comparing tyranny and oppression to a free society - which we focking are relative to them. 

 

I'm not going to pretend to know what good Russia has done around the world. Even if I looked I doubt I could find much of anything in western media.

Your case in point doesn't hold true anymore. Sorry, but it doesn't. 

ETA - I was responding to a statement that NATO didn't provoke Russia, which it absolutely has.

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Many of you have the same outlook on this situation as Kamala Harris has. Russia is a big powerful country, Ukraine is a small country and Russia invaded them and that’s wrong. What a sophisticated bunch. It has to be as simple as that, because any further insight into the situation won’t look good for some people. And you lemmings jump right on board and repeat what those people say. You even point fingers where they tell you. 

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Many of you have the same outlook on this situation as Kamala Harris has. Russia is a big powerful country, Ukraine is a small country and Russia invaded them and that’s wrong. What a sophisticated bunch. It has to be as simple as that, because any further insight into the situation won’t look good for some people. And you lemmings jump right on board and repeat what those people say. You even point fingers where they tell you. 

That's not what I think.  I just don't want Russia to become a powerful SuperPower and threaten our safety.  They've already threatened nuclear missiles twice this week!  I see parallels to Nazi Germany in the taking of territory but feel it's just the start with Russia.

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3 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

That's not what I think.  I just don't want Russia to become a powerful SuperPower and threaten our safety.  They've already threatened nuclear missiles twice this week!  I see parallels to Nazi Germany in the taking of territory but feel it's just the start with Russia.

Well, Ukrainians are the ones getting slaughtered today. Could have been prevented. The stalemate that existed was a much better situation.  Ukraine has to have massive regrets right now for siding with the west. Bet they wouldn’t do it if they could go back in time. 

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Is that what I said?  I think I’ve been pretty clear since day 1. I don’t give a fock about Russia or Ukraine 

Then why do you keep posting about the Nazis?

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Just now, vomit said:

Then why do you keep posting about the Nazis?

A nuclear reactor in Ukraine is possibly on fire right now. You have fun with Nazis and vampires and the wolfman. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, Ukrainians are the ones getting slaughtered today. Could have been prevented. The stalemate that existed was a much better situation.  Ukraine has to have massive regrets right now for siding with the west. Bet they wouldn’t do it if they could go back in time. 

That's why UAE and India and China aren't going to make that mistake.

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, Ukrainians are the ones getting slaughtered today. Could have been prevented. The stalemate that existed was a much better situation.  Ukraine has to have massive regrets right now for siding with the west. Bet they wouldn’t do it if they could go back in time. 

You know what---I would rather be a slaughtered Ukrainian fighting and giving my life for others who believe in freedom than a coward who kowtows to a despot. I can't think of a single American who has fought for this country who would believe differently.  

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29 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I'm not going to pretend to know what good Russia has done around the world. Even if I looked I doubt I could find much of anything in western media.

Your case in point doesn't hold true anymore. Sorry, but it doesn't. 

ETA - I was responding to a statement that NATO didn't provoke Russia, which it absolutely has.

You don't need to pretend to know to exhibit that you don't know anything, and your lack of effort to educate yourself is appauling.

What exactly did NATO to provoke Russia into the slaughter that is now occurring in the Ukraine?

So at the mere thought of Ukraine joining NATO, it's OK for a world super power to throw it's military at a weaker neighbor who just wants to be free.

Seriously, you should move to Russia, seeing as your belief set is so aligned with it. You're not welcome here.

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6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You know what---I would rather be a slaughtered Ukrainian fighting and giving my life for others who believe in freedom than a coward who kowtows to a despot. I can't think of a single American who has fought for this country who would believe differently.  

Of course you fight for your country.  But it’s better to not have to. They were sold out.  Plain and simple. They regret it. 

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It's disgusting to watch these idiots defend Russia and claim to be intellectually and morally superior.  Focking pieces of absolute sh!t

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1 minute ago, vomit said:

It's disgusting to watch these idiots defend Russia and claim to be intellectually and morally superior.  Focking pieces of absolute sh!t

Be more specific. Man up. 

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11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You know what---I would rather be a slaughtered Ukrainian fighting and giving my life for others who believe in freedom than a coward who kowtows to a despot. I can't think of a single American who has fought for this country who would believe differently.  

 Not joining NATO is kowtowing? Ukraine regrets what happened. Bottom line. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Be more specific. Man up. 

You're a piece of sh!t

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1 minute ago, vomit said:

You're a piece of sh!t

 

2 minutes ago, vomit said:

You're a piece of sh!t

I defended Russia? When? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Great! The Russians have bombed a nuclear reactor.

Hannity is all over it tonight.

Nah, Russia ain't the bad guy here.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-3-3-2022