Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Disney executives are on record saying they push the lgbtq agenda. They bragged about it. 

Did they say they are pushing the lgbtq agenda or did they say they wanted to get more viewers in that demographic.  There's a difference.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,169]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure - because they have a hidden lefty agenda, or because they think that sells?   Two completely different things, and IMO it's more option #2 as I said.  

Because they have a hidden agenda.  I mean, you know the creative types, right?  Hollywood?  the Arts? These are people who are beholden to ideology, not profits. 

I mean, they've LITERALLY told us they are doing this because of an agenda.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure - because they have a hidden lefty agenda, or because they think that sells?   Two completely different things, and IMO it's more option #2 as I said.  

So sell it. I’m not buying it. What’s the problem? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,169]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Did they say they are pushing the lgbtq agenda or did they say they wanted to get more viewers in that demographic.  There's a difference.

Agenda.

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Agenda.

Trying to get more viewers and make more money?  Yes, that is their agenda.

[jerryskids 6,863]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure - because they have a hidden lefty agenda, or because they think that sells?   Two completely different things, and IMO it's more option #2 as I said.  

 

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Trying to get more viewers and make more money?  Yes, that is their agenda.

I dunno, you decide.  I don't hear her discuss increasing demographics, seems more emotional to me.  "I was just wherever I could basically just adding queerness."   

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,169]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trying to get more viewers and make more money?  Yes, that is their agenda.

The problem with guys like you is that you aren't willing to look at anything other than what you want.  While I can see that maybe Executives  like David Laslov who are responsible for profits might look at it that way,  the "creatives" of the operation do not.  There is no way people are clamoring for LGBTQ horsesh#t, but they can get stuff thru with sympathetic Executives.

We've been told for decades that the LGBTQ were a small portion of the population (with each group within LGBTQ representing an even smaller portion), but now you're saying Executives are going to get profits from them?  Why wouldn't they market it 90% larger population who DON'T identify as such? It's absurd.  They aren't getting profits from these groups at all. That's why "Bros" failed so miserably.  THEY...DON'T...SELL.

It's like the whiners whining about nobody going to the WNBA - the whiners (feminist women) are NOT going to the WNBA games themselves.  They're just pushing the agenda.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Because they have a hidden agenda.  I mean, you know the creative types, right?  Hollywood?  the Arts? These are people who are beholden to ideology, not profits. 

I mean, they've LITERALLY told us they are doing this because of an agenda.

I wish they did, but the creative types don't run Hollywood and they don't run these services.    Again, we will just disagree on the motivations.  If it was just all libs running amok in these places, don't you think we would see far more Oscar-bait type of movies?   That's where most of the woke, stories of race and other movies go.  Those aren't the movies that dominate the box office though.   It's $$ first and foremost.     So yes, I understand they say they are pushing this lgbtq, but IMO it's because of what I said.  They crunched numbers and think this will help their profits, not because they have some lefty agenda they want to indoctrinate your kids with.    We will see if this effects their stocks and prices, and if so I guess we will also see just how motivated by this "agenda" they are and if they stick to it.  

They are all motivated by profits, and they are each trying to find their voice and carve out their piece of the pie.    

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,169]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I wish they did, but the creative types don't run Hollywood and they don't run these services.    Again, we will just disagree on the motivations.  If it was just all libs running amok in these places, don't you think we would see far more Oscar-bait type of movies?   That's where most of the woke, stories of race and other movies go.  Those aren't the movies that dominate the box office though.   It's $$ first and foremost.     So yes, I understand they say they are pushing this lgbtq, but IMO it's because of what I said.  They crunched numbers and think this will help their profits, not because they have some lefty agenda they want to indoctrinate your kids with.    We will see if this effects their stocks and prices, and if so I guess we will also see just how motivated by this "agenda" they are and if they stick to it.  

They are all motivated by profits, and they are each trying to find their voice and carve out their piece of the pie.    

I disagree 100%.  Now THAT is hyperbole. 

I'd be willing to settle at 50%.

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The problem with guys like you is that you aren't willing to look at anything other than what you want.  While I can see that maybe Executives who are responsible for profits might look at it that way,  the "creatives" of the operation do not.  There is no way people are clamoring for LGBTQ horsesh#t, but they can get stuff thru with sympathetic Executives.

We've been told for decades that the LGBTQ were a small portion of the population (with each group within LGBTQ representing an even smaller portion), but now you're saying Executives are going to get profits from them?  Why wouldn't they market it 90% larger population who DON'T identify as such? It's absurd.  They aren't getting profits from these groups at all. That's why "Bros" failed so miserably.  THEY...DON'T...SELL.

It's like the whiners whining about nobody going to the WNBA - the whiners (feminist women) are NOT going to the WNBA games themselves.

See, to me this goes against your theory of it all being about agenda.   If that weren't the case wouldn't way more "Bros" types of movies get green-lit?    I mean, if it's just about the lefty agenda and cramming LGBTQ issues and wokeness down our throats, there shouldn't be any consideration of if it made money or not.   

No, they don't sell - but that is the balancing act that each studio and streaming service have to try to find for themselves.  There is a market for it, so it could pump up some viewership or eyes for awards, but overall it's still the Top Gun Maverick, super hereos, and known properties that make all the money for them.   They aren't giving all those up to put out more Bros movies.   Disney seems to want to prop themselves up in this way, and we are seeing some of that backlash.    I predict they will stop doing so as they lose $$.  

[The Real timschochet 6,892]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So sell it. I’m not buying it. What’s the problem? 

No problem at all with you not buying it. The problem is that you support politicians who want to punish the companies that sell it, and make it more difficult for other people to buy it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I disagree 100%.  Now THAT is hyperbole. 

I'd be willing to settle at 50%.

We are getting closer.  I don't even think it's 50/50.   I think it's far more profit, and like I said above the rest is finding your niche in the market.    Some studios and streamers seem to lean more on woke or those types of stories than others, but none can continue if they only make that stuff because as we agree - it generally doesn't sell that well.  

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So sell it. I’m not buying it. What’s the problem? 

You not subscribing or not clicking on shows = no problem.  You not checking out or not buying books you find offensive = no problem.    

People blocking content and trying to decide that for others = that's where I have the problems.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No problem at all with you not buying it. The problem is that you support politicians who want to punish the companies that sell it, and make it more difficult for other people to buy it. 

I support a politician that pushed back on a corporation sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong. The legislature, elected by the people , passed the law. The corporation pledged to use its power and influence to undermine the will of the people. The voters spoke. Democracy in action. Sorry you don’t like that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You not subscribing or not clicking on shows = no problem.  You not checking out or not buying books you find offensive = no problem.    

People blocking content and trying to decide that for others = that's where I have the problems.  

Who blocks content on Disney? They do what they want last I checked. And no one banned any books. They restricted where they may be viewed. Like a lot of other content. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

People who study psyops and propaganda can all identify what's happening. In the 40s and 50s there was a lot of pro-America rah rah sentiment in film as that's what helped gel the country. We don't have that anymore. Instead they now pump them filled with skittles and LGBTQ, and CRT bullsh*t now to desensitize the audiences to what they are doing.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So sell it. I’m not buying it. What’s the problem? 

The problem is that you want to control that it is even made and you support people that support banning it and turn it into a culture war.

I prefer to let capitalism- and parents- handle it. Make the content you want. If people don't like it, they won't buy it or won't watch it and support it.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If someone at Epcot was struck by lightning, most of the folks here would blame woke. 

I would toy with the concept of an angry and vengeful God taking retribution on the individual.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The problem is that you want to control that it is even made and you support people that support banning it and turn it into a culture war.

I prefer to let capitalism- and parents- handle it. Make the content you want. If people don't like it, they won't buy it or won't watch it and support it.

Tell me who wants to ban it before you tell me who I support. And it is a culture war, like it or not. 

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who blocks content on Disney? They do what they want last I checked. And no one banned any books. They restricted where they may be viewed. Like a lot of other content. 

Sure, and Twitter was just restricting where things could be viewed as well.    Do whatever you need to do to justify it when team Red does it, I will continue to call b.s. whenever I see this crap no matter who is doing it.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tell me who wants to ban it before you tell me who I support. And it is a culture war, like it or not. 

Buck Swope already said it above.

You want to hand wave it away because the red team is doing it. That doesn't change things

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

25 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure, and Twitter was just restricting where things could be viewed as well.    Do whatever you need to do to justify it when team Red does it, I will continue to call b.s. whenever I see this crap no matter who is doing it.  

The problem with Twitter was the government was involved in a private company at the very least influencing what they would publish, on behalf of a political party. So no.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Buck Swope already said it above.

You want to hand wave it away because the red team is doing it. That doesn't change things

Who is banning Disney content ? You tell me I support them, yet you can’t tell me who they are. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who is banning Disney content ? You tell me I support them, yet you can’t tell me who they are. 

People are trying to get it blocked? Do you deny that?

People are trying to culture war it? Do you deny that?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People are trying to get it blocked? Do you deny that?

People are trying to culture war it? Do you deny that?

I don’t support anyone trying to get it blocked. So you’re wrong. I am an active participant in pushing back on the culture war the left has inflamed to new hights  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t support anyone trying to get it blocked. So you’re wrong. I am an active participant in pushing back on the culture war the left has inflamed to new hights  

The culture war comes from the right trying to get this stuff stopped and blocked. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

The culture war comes from the right trying to get this stuff stopped and blocked. 

I don’t know who is trying to get it blocked. You won’t tell me. Hard to say I support it.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t know who is trying to get it blocked. You won’t tell me. Hard to say I support it.  

You are being obtuse. I assume purposely so. 

[Reality 3,121]

Weird.

 

[Voltaire 5,322]

Regarding Disney there's no way to block them. The best you can do is to get parents aware that Disney has changed since they were kids by showing them examples as to how and encourage them to choose healthier entertainment content for their kids. If enough people abandon them, maybe they'll stop making controversial content, or maybe they won't, but either way they won't be blocked.

[The Real timschochet 6,892]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Regarding Disney there's no way to block them. The best you can do is to get parents aware that Disney has changed since they were kids by showing them examples as to how and encourage them to choose healthier entertainment content for their kids. If enough people abandon them, maybe they'll stop making controversial content, or maybe they won't, but either way they won't be blocked.

I think this is realistic. Obviously we disagree about whether Disney is offering healthy entertainment; I say they are now more than ever: But one way or another they’re too powerful to stop. 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Regarding Disney there's no way to block them. The best you can do is to get parents aware that Disney has changed since they were kids by showing them examples as to how and encourage them to choose healthier entertainment content for their kids. If enough people abandon them, maybe they'll stop making controversial content, or maybe they won't, but either way they won't be blocked.

What percentage of Disney offerings are woke in your opinion?

[Voltaire 5,322]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What percentage of Disney offerings are woke in your opinion?

I have no idea as I'm boycotting them myself.

I mean, that movie recently Strange World looked interesting in the trailer but we already weren't going to watch it anyway because we're done with Disney. This decision was before we caught wind of it being another Disney LGBTQ commercial.

I'm dodging your question. At present, I'm assuming 100%, which coincides with what the executives there are saying. 

If somebody notices they stop making controversial films, maybe I'll change my mind. Aparently CNN wants to regain their status as an unbiased source with old school journalistic principals. Bless them for the effort, but I've not gone back yet... I noticed that Don Lemon still has a job ... although I might. I don't change my habits on a dime.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I have no idea as I'm boycotting them myself.

I mean, that movie recently Strange World looked interesting in the trailer but we already weren't going to watch it anyway because we're done with Disney. This decision was before we caught wind of it being another Disney LGBTQ commercial.

I'm dodging your question. At present, I'm assuming 100%, which coincides with what the executives there are saying. 

If somebody notices they stop making controversial films, maybe I'll change my mind. Aparently CNN wants to regain their status as an unbiased source with old school journalistic principals. Bless them for the effort, but I've not gone back yet... I noticed that Don Lemon still has a job ... although I might. I don't change my habits on a dime.

 

100%  That means every movie and series they've ever made is woke.  I'd say you'd be lucky if it was 10%.

[Voltaire 5,322]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

100%  That means every movie and series they've ever made is woke.  I'd say you'd be lucky if it was 10%.

Under Walt and for a long time thereafter, they were an all-American company that made wholesome G-rated family content. That changed in a big way, I don't know exactly when, maybe five-to-eight years ago. 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Under Walt and for a long time after, they were an all-American company that made wholesome content. That changed in a big way, I don't know exactly when, maybe five-to-eight years ago. 

I know we all grew up with those movies and love them, they had some pretty racist stereotypes in them.  We all accepted it back then but now everyone is offended by something.

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I know we all grew up with those movies and love them, they had some pretty racist stereotypes in them.  We all accepted it back then but now everyone is offended by something.

Oc course- there is racist stuff, sexist stuff, and many things marketed to kids are surprisingly scary.  I run into stuff like that with kids stuff than anything that sticks out as being inappropriate like this example.  

But we all have different lines and parenting style.  

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I know we all grew up with those movies and love them, they had some pretty racist stereotypes in them.  We all accepted it back then but now everyone is offended by something.

Well it's rather insidious. The culture war is engaged and parents that care about this have to pay attention. "They" tell us they're coming for the kids and this is how. Tim, joining in, also assures us how they're coming for our kids. Desensitize troubled or vulnerable children to smut and degeneracy, and alternative lifestyles- no thanks. It all in a read guard action to prevent the Woke Left's Invasion of the Body Snatchers or like Aliens. 

Gotta police it as they grow up if don't want your kids to go to off college and come back sounding like AOC.

[Jeff Probst 59]

3 hours ago, Reality said:

Weird.

 

Im old enough to remember the magatards crying about Disney was too woke to use tim Allen as the voice for buzz lightyear

 

[Voltaire 5,322]

34 minutes ago, Jeff Probst said:

Im old enough to remember the magatards crying about Disney was too woke to use tim Allen as the voice for buzz lightyear

 

I'm one of them.  I wonder if it's because the widely promoted movie in which they paid a more expensive actor to do his job bombed. Of course there are other reasons the movie bombed too... we'll see if Disney gets the message.