OK let’s talk about the border

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

HT welched on his bet with me and Worms though, and he’s lied about it for years. 

 No I didn’t. If I did, then you did as well. Nice try. 

[MDC 7,881]

We all three agreed on no insults for a month. If one of us broke the truce, we’d willingly not post for 6 months and Titans was going to moderate.

Titans ruled Worms and HT out. Worms willingly accepted his ban. HT said he had no intention of honoring the bet and never left.

Tardcore then said I broke the truce by insulting him. What he doesn’t mention is that 1) Titans never ruled me out like we agreed and 2) I only insulted him after he said he wasn’t going to honor the bet in the first place.

HT is a big fat girlie welcher and a shameless liar.

HTH

Link - Tardcore admits to welching on Page 1.  

[Gladiators 2,032]

Good lord. This might be the biggest group of babies on the internet. HT sure has done a number on you guys.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

We all three agreed on no insults for a month. If one of us broke the truce, we’d willingly not post for 6 months and Titans was going to moderate.

Titans ruled Worms and HT out. Worms willingly accepted his ban. HT said he had no intention of honoring the bet and never left.

Tardcore then said I broke the truce by insulting him. What he doesn’t mention is that 1) Titans never ruled me out like we agreed and 2) I only insulted him after he said he wasn’t going to honor the bet in the first place.

HT is a big fat girlie welcher and a shameless liar.

HTH

I never left? Why do you always lie? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, Gladiators said:

Good lord. This might be the biggest group of babies on the internet. HT sure has done a number on you guys.

I know. It would be nice if there wasn’t always a lie or a gross exaggeration. I’m no Angel, I give as good as I get,  but the truth is never good enough for them. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

We all three agreed on no insults for a month. If one of us broke the truce, we’d willingly not post for 6 months and Titans was going to moderate.

Titans ruled Worms and HT out. Worms willingly accepted his ban. HT said he had no intention of honoring the bet and never left.

Tardcore then said I broke the truce by insulting him. What he doesn’t mention is that 1) Titans never ruled me out like we agreed and 2) I only insulted him after he said he wasn’t going to honor the bet in the first place.

HT is a big fat girlie welcher and a shameless liar.

HTH

Link - Tardcore admits to welching on Page 1.

Found Raven Fan’s alias?

On 8/23/2021 at 3:20 PM, edjr said:

bigly sad

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Dang man. 
I disagree with just about everything @Hardcore troubadour has written on this subject but he’s offering an honest opinion. What is it with everyone so quick to insult everybody else in this forum? I get that it’s not really moderated and that’s a good thing. But personal insults are just boring to read. 

This forum was built on more than two decades of insults.

HT is a hard-headed, Clownzo-loving troglodyte who well-wishes for the harm of other posters' children, offers little in the way of educated opinions and deserves every insult he gets. 

He's an ignorant, grumpy, unfunny POS.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This forum was built on more than two decades of insults.

HT is a hard-headed, Clownzo-loving troglodyte who well-wishes for the harm of other posters' children, offers little in the way of educated opinions and deserves every insult he gets. 

He's an ignorant, grumpy, unfunny POS.

Unfunny? See what I mean about the gross exaggerations? But this is from a guy that thinks saying “ I want you so bad right now” to other posters is funny. That stopped being funny the first time someone said it. Yet you persist. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Unfunny? See what I mean about the gross exaggerations? But this is from a guy that thinks saying “ I want you so bad right now” to other posters is funny. That stopped being funny the first time someone said it. Yet you persist. 

That was a phrase from a forum you'll never know and wouldn't have been accepted in long ago because you're such a hateful, insufferable doosh. 

It's similar to "Can size?" 

You don't get it and never will. You'd be better off accepting your ugly intolerance and deleting your account. 

A good choice for you and everyone. 

Have a nice day and go to bed.

You're way out of your league here. Know your place if you stay.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

9 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

That was a phrase from a forum you'll never know and wouldn't have been accepted in long ago because you're such a hateful, insufferable doosh. 

It's similar to "Can size?" 

You don't get it and never will. You'd be better off accepting your ugly intolerance and deleting your account. 

A good choice for you and everyone. 

Have a nice day and go to bed.

You're way out of your league here. Know your place if you stay.

Oh, so it’s funny? It’s not. Case closed. 

[KSB2424 3,173]

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

10 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

Last year one million people were granted citizenship in the US. How many are we supposed to do that for every year? For how long? 

[BuckSwope 654]

50 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

1.  Here is my big beef with the Wall:   We already have the capacity to catch millions - wouldn't it be a better use in $ to beef up that capacity so we can catch a higher %?  Then some of that tech and manpower could also be used elsewhere, like maybe enforcing overstays and things like that.     Also, we don't KNOW it works or to what %.   It's within the realm of possibility that the numbers of uncaught stay similar to what they are as the cartels figure out ways over/under/around said wall, isn't it?   

2.  How do you suggest we make it easie, and what would you need to do so?   What would you set as the standard for admission to our country and why?   

 

 

 

 

[edjr 6,898]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

The world will always need people to upkeep golf courses. 

[The Real timschochet 7,443]

4 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

My main problem with the wall is not the cost to build but the cost to trade. When Abbott attempted to slow down traffic last year even for a few days , it resulted in losses of hundreds of millions. An effective wall would involve stopping and searching every truck or vehicle that crosses the border, and to do that would cost this country literally billions of dollars every month. 
 

I am not opposed to reasonable restrictions at the border but there has to be a way to do it that doesn’t impede the flow of legal goods. A wall is not the answer. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

A wall is not the answer. 

Blah blah blah.  Northern Ireland literally built a MAZE of walls to separate individual communities of catholics and protestants, complete with checkpoints, and the entire world praises it for working and no questions it. In fact, the walls are promoted as a tourist attraction and people claim they BOOST the local economies.

We talk about a wall on the southern border and the world says it cant work and no one questions it.  Those positions are obviously political.  Either both work or neither work. 

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/northern-ireland/articles/the-story-behind-northern-irelands-peace-walls/

 

The first of the peace walls were built in 1969 after a series of sectarian riots rocked Belfast. The walls, established as a temporary measure, were a very simple solution to the problem of keeping Republicans and Loyalists apart. However, due to their effectiveness, they never came down. Indeed, as time went on, the walls got longer and more numerous. While most of the walls were constructed during the early years of the Troubles, around one-third have popped up since 1994 when the IRA declared an effective ceasefire.

One of the most famous peace walls sits between the Loyalist Shankill Road and the Irish Republican Falls Road. Tensions between the two streets have existed since the 1800s, and the Troubles saw a rise in violence in this already violent area. As a solution, the peace wall separating the two popped up. This wall stretches for 800 metres (2,624.6 feet), an imposing multi-level concrete structure.

In recent years, the peace walls have become part of the fabric of Belfast’s tourism industry. Black cab tours travel around iconic locations in the city, many of which have to do with the Troubles. The peace walls have found themselves on the same route as the city’s most famous murals, which isn’t surprising, as much of Belfast’s wall art is actually on the peace lines themselves.

[Voltaire 5,488]

When is that last time you heard of Palestinians blowing up Israeli school buses or any other terror attacks in Israel? Seems to me those attacks dropped instantaneously and coincided with the building of the wall.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why? Are you looking for some kind of mass deportation? If not, why do sanctuary cities bother you? 

This one is pretty obvious really.  The main reason why people are willing to come here illegally is because they feel like they won't get deported because of the existence of sanctuary cities and states.  Their existence broadcasts to the world that if you go there, you're free to enter and welcome to the U.S.   I don't see how you can possibly have any border policy work, if cities and states are actively allowing people who come here illegally, live there, legally.

[RLLD 4,275]

I think step one is simple, close the border entirely.  Nothing crosses.  Now this will have some impacts on the economy as well as the likely increase of crossings elsewhere.  But it sends a message and that message will stem the tide at its source. Part of the reason these people are doing this is that they know the Democrats will simply allow them in. And that is cruel.

But that alone will not suffice.  You have to bulk up the border system.  More agents, more facilities and better controls. This haws to be done in parallel with some other actions.

Simple list 

• Congress immediately gets working on border reform.  Both sides love to talk about it, time to do it. And the extremes on both sides cannot be included in this....sorry AOC and MTG
• Meet with Mexico pronto, work with them to setup structures to allow THEM to keep some folks....its just as easy to have <ahem? "asylum" in Mexico as here
• Deport those who are not here legally....again, it sends a message we need the others to hear clearly....make it visible
• Work to ensure those who have been here for a long time, maybe over 5 years, without a criminal record, can secure citizenship and pay some focking taxes 
• We are not a focking hand out shop, we cannot afford to be one, we have to stop killing our infrastructure with more people than we are ready for.
• If we do not like the way Obama and Trump handled the system, too focking bad, if you do something illegal,,,,regardless of the reason there are consequences

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

Blah blah blah.  Northern Ireland literally built a MAZE of walls to separate individual communities of catholics and protestants, complete with checkpoints, and the entire world praises it for working and no questions it. In fact, the walls are promoted as a tourist attraction and people claim they BOOST the local economies.

We talk about a wall on the southern border and the world says it cant work and no one questions it.  Those positions are obviously political.  Either both work or neither work. 

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/northern-ireland/articles/the-story-behind-northern-irelands-peace-walls/

 

The first of the peace walls were built in 1969 after a series of sectarian riots rocked Belfast. The walls, established as a temporary measure, were a very simple solution to the problem of keeping Republicans and Loyalists apart. However, due to their effectiveness, they never came down. Indeed, as time went on, the walls got longer and more numerous. While most of the walls were constructed during the early years of the Troubles, around one-third have popped up since 1994 when the IRA declared an effective ceasefire.

One of the most famous peace walls sits between the Loyalist Shankill Road and the Irish Republican Falls Road. Tensions between the two streets have existed since the 1800s, and the Troubles saw a rise in violence in this already violent area. As a solution, the peace wall separating the two popped up. This wall stretches for 800 metres (2,624.6 feet), an imposing multi-level concrete structure.

In recent years, the peace walls have become part of the fabric of Belfast’s tourism industry. Black cab tours travel around iconic locations in the city, many of which have to do with the Troubles. The peace walls have found themselves on the same route as the city’s most famous murals, which isn’t surprising, as much of Belfast’s wall art is actually on the peace lines themselves.

Are you trying to convince us that all walls are the same and just because these 20+miles of walls inside the city/country helped fix their issue, the 100s to 1000s of miles of wall we would need for an entirely different reason will fix ours?  

Yes, walls work.  Yes, this wall will slow the flow of illegals across the border.   My question is, is there a more cost effective use of the money that could ALSO address other issues with immigration? 

I never see people like you talk about how the highest % of illegals are overstays- a Wall doesn't help that.  An immigrant can go to a pott, claim asylum and get in.  A wall doesn't help that.   IF they get past the wall, they still are hired and have opportunities, so no deterrents there.   I also barely hear any discussion from the right about ramifications of the Wall like possible negative effects on our economy.   

It can be a tool we use, but it's constantly presented on the right as some cure-all without any downside, and that's asinine. 

[MDC 7,881]

13 hours ago, Gladiators said:

Good lord. This might be the biggest group of babies on the internet. HT sure has done a number on you guys.

When I see an admitted welcher and shameless liar present himself as a “stand up guy” I have to speak up.

 

[dogcows 1,065]

20 hours ago, Fireballer said:

So if every current factor with illegal border crossing was the same, whith the exception that they were all white Europeans, Republicans would take a 180* turn?  Tucker Carlson would immediately become an illegal immigrant cheerleader?  

Look up xenophobia. It’s not just about race.

[dogcows 1,065]

12 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  Finish the wall on the southern border, it’s only a couple billion and works.  We’re sending 60 times that to foreign country. 

2. Make LEGAL immigration easier and a set a STANDARD of admission.

3.  Use all technology at hand to enforce the law to those that cross illegalaly whilst expediting immigration for those that follow immigrantion law.  aka, make the issue a priority.  

1. I’m not convinced that the wall works since illegal crossings have gone up since they started building it. 

I agree on 2 and 3 though. If we had a better process for legal immigration, people wouldn’t be so eager to cross illegally. A much better solution.

[TimHauck 3,307]

Did I miss the discussion about this?  Abbott sends migrants to Kamala Harris’s house in freezing temperatures on Christmas Eve.  He seems like a swell guy.

 

 

[RLLD 4,275]

Just now, dogcows said:

1. I’m not convinced that the wall works since illegal crossings have gone up since they started building it. 

I agree on 2 and 3 though. If we had a better process for legal immigration, people wouldn’t be so eager to cross illegally. A much better solution.

I think walls can and do work and history has shown is this is true.

But alone it is not enough, it is simply one of a number of deterrents.  All should be included. 

[dogcows 1,065]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Are you trying to convince us that all walls are the same and just because these 20+miles of walls inside the city/country helped fix their issue, the 100s to 1000s of miles of wall we would need for an entirely different reason will fix ours?  

Yes, walls work.  Yes, this wall will slow the flow of illegals across the border.   My question is, is there a more cost effective use of the money that could ALSO address other issues with immigration? 

I never see people like you talk about how the highest % of illegals are overstays- a Wall doesn't help that.  An immigrant can go to a pott, claim asylum and get in.  A wall doesn't help that.   IF they get past the wall, they still are hired and have opportunities, so no deterrents there.   I also barely hear any discussion from the right about ramifications of the Wall like possible negative effects on our economy.   

It can be a tool we use, but it's constantly presented on the right as some cure-all without any downside, and that's asinine. 

Agreed on the wall. If it really works, why are illegal crossings and asylum claims up after they built hundreds of miles of it? A thousand-plus mile border cannot be protected just with a wall. There will be hundreds of miles of the wall with nobody watching, so it will be cut through, climbed, or tunneled under. That’s why I liked @KSB2424’s ideas on fixing the system itself.

If we had a more welcoming policy, and focused our law enforcement efforts on the actual criminals coming across instead of treating every migrant as an assumed criminal, we could actually reduce drug and human smuggling.

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think walls can and do work and history has shown is this is true.

But alone it is not enough, it is simply one of a number of deterrents.  All should be included. 

The Great wall of China, Hadrian's wall, the Berlin wall, to the extent they worked they worked not because the physical structures were insurmountsable, but because they were staffed by vigilant men-at-arms.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Over one million people were granted citizenship last year. How much more welcoming do you want to be? 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It’s the same point dummy.  You said you don’t want to import cheap labor because you think household incomes will go down, but aren’t factoring in if there is a labor shortage then costs will go up and your income won’t go as far.

But the “cheap labor” primarily impacts jobs that are fairly low-paying to begin with, benefitting white collar folks who pay the cheap labor for trades while simultaneously likely not impacting their own income.  Well unless that is we adopt your plan of only letting in people with bachelor’s degrees, then they’ll probably be able to do your job and take less money to do it.   So remind me who looks stupid again?  Because it sure looks like it’s you.

Wages going down because cheaper labor is imported isn't the same as inflation. You're not a very smart man.

[TimHauck 3,307]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

Wages going down because cheaper labor is imported isn't the same as inflation. You're not a very smart man.

It’s deflation.  Same concept dummy. But tell me more about how you simultaneously don’t want to “import cheaper labor” but only want to allow immigrants with bachelor’s degrees, lol

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s deflation.  Same concept dummy. But tell me more about how you simultaneously don’t want to “import cheaper labor” but only want to allow immigrants with bachelor’s degrees, lol

You're incredibly stupid

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

You're incredibly stupid

He’s clueless. He doesn’t work. There’s no way. 

[dogcows 1,065]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

When is that last time you heard of Palestinians blowing up Israeli school buses or any other terror attacks in Israel? Seems to me those attacks dropped instantaneously and coincided with the building of the wall.

When is the last time you heard of Mexicans blowing up American school buses or any other terror attacks in America?

[TimHauck 3,307]

15 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Wages going down because cheaper labor is imported isn't the same as inflation. You're not a very smart man.

This is what I responded to:

17 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

This isn't true and if you want birthrates to go up household incomes need to go up. You don't do that by importing cheap labor. 

You were talking about household incomes going up, and not importing cheap labor.  A shortage of cheap labor can and has resulted in inflation.   So you were talking about inflation, and you clearly don’t understand it.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Just now, TimHauck said:

This is what I responded to:

You were talking about household incomes going up, and not importing cheap labor.  A shortage of cheap labor can and has resulted in inflation.  

Okay

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Libtards will argue anything. They don’t actually think what’s going on right now is a good thing or anyones fault but Bidens. They just can’t say yeah, I’m not good with this. It’s so obvious this is a bad thing for our country and preventable. It’s out of control.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

I don't see how dealing with the border would be all that hard... we just have too many bleeding heart liberals who have an "as long as it's not me I'm ok with it", attitude.

SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ALL BUT ELIMINATE 

• Objective 1: Remove incentives for coming here illegally through global announcements (similar can be applied to other illegal immigrants)
  1. Removal of all existence/promotion of sanctuary cities & states.
     • Anyone elected politician announcing anything to the contrary, will be seen as encouraging acts of terrorism and be found guilty of treason.
  2. Any attempts to cross the border illegally will be seen as acts of terrorism.
     • First offence, deportation
     • Second offence, death penalty
  3. Anyone who enters the US illegally can never become US citizens, nor can any children that they have here.
     • There will be no birth rights for the children whose parents entered the country illegally.
  4. Anyone who enters illegally, can never be legally employed in the US and can never receive government assistance.
• Objective 2: Dealing with the people here (similar can be applied to other illegal immigrants)
  1. The people who came here illegally, can be given "Permanent Resident Status", meaning they can live here freely and have the right to work, education, etc... as can their children, without fear of deportation... unless they are found guilty of committing a criminal offense.  Similar to, but not the same as), Objective 1 / Step 2... first offense: Jail, second offense: deportation.  Once deported, well, O1/S2.
     • They DO NOT have the right to vote.
     • They DO NOT have the right to government assistance (including social security/Medicare & ACA).  If they cannot provide for themselves, the door going out (of the country), is always open.
  2. Third generation descendants can become full US Citizens at birth, without any restrictions.
  3. Anyone who has had a full-time job for at least 15 years and never committed a violent crime, can automatically go through the process of being a naturalized citizen.  Their children can go through the same process.
     • If they are ever found guilty of a violent crime, they will remain in "Permanent Resident Status" group forever.
  4. Anyone who currently has been convicted of multiple violent crimes and is currently in prison, gets deported immediately.  We will not pay for them to live in our jail system.
• Objective 3: Promotion of LEGAL immigration (The government must set a limit on the number of immigrants allowed each year.  It CANNOT be arbitrarily raised).
  1. Set up a process to allow for businesses to sponsor immigrants to work for them.  This can be used as a pathway to citizenship (see O2/S3).
     • Businesses who participate in this can be allowed to pay lower wages if housing is provided for the employees (farmers would likely be the ones that would/could take the biggest advantage of this... which is the objective).
  2. People who have come here illegally and obtained US Citizenship can sponsor family members to come here on a provisional basis.  After 3 full years of full-time employment, they can apply for "Permanent Resident Status".
     • The US government will NOT be responsible for any expenses.  Meaning, Person A can not sponsor Person B to come here and that person apply for welfare or  housing.  If a person or family sponsors an immigrant, that person or family is financially responsible for that immigrant.
  3. People in other countries can still apply for citizenship.
     • People who obtain citizenship through the legal process will be given a $1k housing voucher every month for one year.  If you come here as a family, but get "divorced", you still only get $1k.  If you have 2 separate households, you get $500 each.  No loophole for getting $2k.
• Objective 4: Border Security (If all of the other objectives are in place, border security shouldn't be much of an issue.)
  1. Current security in place, help with tech to reduce man-power.
  2. People trying to enter now just get turned back.  There will be no processing or asylum seekers.  No entry... AT ALL.  Period.  See O2/S2.  These people will be finger printed and submit a DNA sample.  They will be added to a database and/or verified against that database to see if it's their 2nd try at illegal entry.

To note, 100% of ALL migrants... coming here legally and who came here illegally, will be finger printed and submit to a DNA test.  Why?  Creates no loopholes and protects the ones who just want to live their lives.  How?

1. People coming here illegally and try to skirt the system will not have any ID nor finger print/DNA records on file.  Makes it easier to tag people here illegally and deport them.
2. People who came here illegally and are going through the process of becoming legal, will not only have ID's, but also finger prints and DNA on file if someone tries to falsely accuse them of anything and/or prevents the government from falsely kicking them out.
3. Prevents people from exploiting benefits, such as the $1k per month housing voucher.  If a married couple with children file separately but come here and live together and try to get $1k each, their DNA is checked against the children.  If they both are the parents of the children, they forfeit citizenship and are deported.  People who do it right, should get rewarded... people who try to cheat the system makes it harder for those other people who are doing it right.
4. Enforces security for Objective 2.
5. Prevents any employer from taking advantage of migrants being sponsored to work here.  Meaning, an employer can't deny that said migrant didn't work for them.  The migrant worker will have ID and finger prints/DNA on to support their identity.

The bulk of these measures do not cost the government any extra money and will actually save the government money.  If there are no sanctuary cities or states, there will be no illegals filing for government assistance, in the form of money, food, healthcare, housing, or secondary education.  The costs for that would tower over just helping migrants out with housing in their first year.  The money we waste in processing people at the border will get slashed dramatically.  That money can be appropriated to tech of for aiding in border security.  The surplus, of which there will be a lot, goes back to the government.

As I said in an earlier post, Step 1 MUST BE, the banishment of sanctuary cities and states.  When you have governmental officials actively aiding illegal immigrants in circumventing federal policies, it costs everyone time and money.  It also promotes the incentive to come here illegally.  If you want to protect the border, this is a MUST.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Agreed on the wall. If it really works, why are illegal crossings and asylum claims up after they built hundreds of miles of it? A thousand-plus mile border cannot be protected just with a wall. There will be hundreds of miles of the wall with nobody watching, so it will be cut through, climbed, or tunneled under. That’s why I liked @KSB2424’s ideas on fixing the system itself.

If we had a more welcoming policy, and focused our law enforcement efforts on the actual criminals coming across instead of treating every migrant as an assumed criminal, we could actually reduce drug and human smuggling.

The "funny" thing about all this and the fight about Title 42 is that:

1.  By Trump doing this, it did bring even more to the forefront how backed up and broken this system is.  Can we pause for a bit to think about why we even had to go so far as to envoke something that is tied to public health to even address one of the issues at the border?

2.  Can we also at least laugh for a bit that both parties also get exposed to being a bit hypocritical in the process when it comes to covid and the pandemic.   They are now on opposite sides of the stances when talking about covid when it comes to this topic, but the policy is there for something like a pandemic.   Both parties are truly full of crap and only care about $, power, and votes.  Fixing things takes a backseat to all that other crap.  

 

Anyway, I was listening to the Left/Right/Center podcast this am, and they brought up a good point - we saw a spike in Illegal crossings because Title 42 blocked those people's legal way to get in (seek asylum), so they try a different way.   Most spend 1000s of dollars, risk their lives, and suffer at the hands to traffickers to get here.   They aren't just going to turn around becausue of Title 42.   

I would think a good compromise would be just to tack on what both parties seem to want from Title 42 (the ability send back right away people they catch not coming through a port of entry like our policy directs them to) onto the currently asylum procedure.   I would think most would agree at the least that if you try to come across other ways not via the port and are caught, you probably should lose your right to a day in court.    Maybe add on something like if you went through other countries on the way to us where you could have claimed asylum and didn't do so, you also aren't allowed.   You know, things that are big red flags that their asylum claim isn't legit (the vast majority aren't) that we could maybe weed out earlier and maybe not burden the system more with cases highly likely to be tossed out.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

So the coyotes that work for the cartels to smuggle in illegals avoid the wall and go where there isn’t one? Wow. Who would have figured on that? 

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23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Anyone who read my posts at FBG knows......

And it is a crisis. There are too many people coming over the border.

NOT the real Tim Schochet.  Probably the worst hijack of an alias I've ever seen.  I'd like to see a link to the real Tim at FBG ever saying it was a crisis and there are too many people crossing.  The real Tim simply doesn't believe that at all.